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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 24 2015 17:23 GMT
#3641
On June 25 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 02:04 rsoultin wrote:
Lol that one was actually mostly correct! The post on gb's ls read night one was what I was referring to as a good find

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 02:16 rsoultin wrote:
It's annoying cause I think you're both town and don't want to lynch either of you but we're on autopilot and town is fucking off allowing scum to fuck off too



does not compute


-shrugs- get your point but I don't always present things completely honestly either. The push i'm you at the start of the.game for example. Needed you playing xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:32 GMT
#3642
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz afkers
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 24 2015 17:32 GMT
#3643
Holyflare you're probably dying and I do believe GB's claim. You made a case against GB but it's pretty obvious if he's mafia since you're gonna flip VT if he is so here's something I want from you. Let's say that GB is the real cop and you're miller, who's the mafia team? Town sentiment right now seems like they believe you're mafia with mig, shockey is partners with you, +1 so in the case that you're actually town and GB is still real, who do you think is scum?
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 24 2015 17:33 GMT
#3644
With respect to my above post, I didn't actually fully read what you said this day so I'm not 100% if you laid out that scenario.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:33 GMT
#3645
On June 25 2015 02:32 NydusHerMain wrote:
Holyflare you're probably dying and I do believe GB's claim. You made a case against GB but it's pretty obvious if he's mafia since you're gonna flip VT if he is so here's something I want from you. Let's say that GB is the real cop and you're miller, who's the mafia team? Town sentiment right now seems like they believe you're mafia with mig, shockey is partners with you, +1 so in the case that you're actually town and GB is still real, who do you think is scum?


i've most definitely answered this twice, wtf?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:33 GMT
#3646
.....................-.-
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:34 GMT
#3647
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:37 GMT
#3648
Town sentiment right now seems like they believe you're mafia with mig, shockey is partners with you, +1 so in the case that you're actually town and GB is still real, who do you think is scum?


I am also not sure how anyone has come to this conclusion by the way. I don't know why me and mig are automatically linked and I have no idea how shockeyy is thrown into the mix since what I wrote in my post was pretty cool about him (that he was writing hidden messages in url's in his posts talking about people being mafia if x happened etc)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 24 2015 17:39 GMT
#3649
I really really have a problem with flipping someone I believe is town just for info

Eh, but I can see the lynch me argument now so we're not still here in mylo
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:40 GMT
#3650
do what you want just make sure you kill gb after my flip

(still waiting on whether or not role cops show millers)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 24 2015 17:41 GMT
#3651
^ which i'll have to look at later lol I didn't notice that at all hf and I usually do
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 17:44 GMT
#3652
btw if i do flip miller and role clops do return millers instead of vt you're going to have to make a massive judgement call and also take:

On June 21 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 05:30 Onegu wrote:
TBH I have never seen scum fake claim mason


I think that's exactly what HF wants you to think.

Tell me why he would do that as town.

His gameplay in the beginning of the game was "I won't be active to survive n1", yet he fake claims in a way that if mafia sees it, he dies night1?



into account. He thought I was trying to survive n1 so it's perfectly acceptable to think I may have been a role, he's also trying to spread suspicion of me on a night where only 1 kp happened so he doesn't even know if i got protected or not so it looks like tmi that i wasn't
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 24 2015 17:51 GMT
#3653
On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least


You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 24 2015 17:59 GMT
#3654
So you are saying he could be rolecop and got miller on you and is using it for town cred>
Try TL Mafia!!!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 18:00 GMT
#3655
yeh if i flip miller it's very possible
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 24 2015 18:01 GMT
#3656
Holyflare, I really don't see how lynching you is the better option here.
You seem to be gungho about getting lynched to prove GB's alignment, but since there's a chance that you're VT, then you must agree that going for the sure or less worse option is better.

Look at it from town perspective.
Right now you are more beneficial to us than mig.
Lynching you just to prove a point is not acceptable.

I'll be outlining scenarios for GB being both mafia and DT

#1 GB is DT and telling the truth:
+ Show Spoiler +
If you believe that GB is telling the truth, then you have no reason to doubt anything of what he said.
This means that GB:

- Checked LS, got green
- Checked HF, got red
- Did *NOT* get roleblocked.

So we have to make some assumptions here:

- Chance that there is a framer in the game + the framer framing HF : very low.
- Chance that HF is miller : low

However there is still a chance.

GB also claimed a false greencheck on mig.
These are the scenarios related to mig:

- Chance that mig is mafia and thought the claim was false : likely
+ Show Spoiler +
Mafia keep GB alive

- Chance that mig is godfather and thought the claim was true : low
+ Show Spoiler +
In this case they would definitely kill GB, so it's unlikely this happened.


There's no scenarios here where GB lives and Mig isn't mafia, unless I missed something.
If you believe GB's claim, then lynching mig is absolutely the right choice.


Right now this is the world I believe in, and that is why my vote rests on mig for the moment.

However, I'll also post up a scenario next of where GB could be mafia, but there's more variables involved so it'll take a little while to put together.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 18:06 GMT
#3657
man i don't want to go through all of these scenario's it's so much effort??? there's many possibilities for mig so i dunno how you arrive at just 2, he could be mafia and mafia thought gb fake claiming, he could be town and mafia thought gb got lucky since gb didn't claim d1, he could be town and they don't have a rber, he could be mafia and they don't have a rber and wanted to medic dodge, he could be town and mafia wanted to medic dodge

a million possibilities and i don't really see why you believe in a world where gb is telling the truth after everything i've outlined?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 24 2015 18:08 GMT
#3658
SO.

Rather than looking at all the millions of possibilities that rely on complete wifom and sillyness, why don't we evaluate people's actual play in the game?

talk to me about damdred, did you read my post?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 24 2015 18:35 GMT
#3659
I have a hard time reading damdred.
I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity.

I'll respond to your points about damdred:

- Early town reads:
+ Show Spoiler +
I really don't know where he gets this from.
There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta.
Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know.
I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that.
I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate.


- Crazy defenses of people.
+ Show Spoiler +
I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right.
However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot.
I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them.
Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them.
If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives.
This is not a point in his favor


My own judgement on damdred:
He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs.

I'm also not sure how he went from this:
On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig

To this:
On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
ok GB and Mig are off the table today
Get on yamato.

In just 2 pages.

I really wish he would qualify his reads more.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 24 2015 18:36 GMT
#3660
We are lynching Holyflare

Then we are lynching Mig

Too late to switch targets. Doing shenanigans here is absolutely dangerous. Lynch HF first, then lynch Mig
I'm adorable.
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