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LS, that "playing against your win con" looks so bad.
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On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be?
I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that:
Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes.
Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me.
I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons.
The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate.
Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine)
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On June 20 2015 01:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine) I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
In torn apart, really.
I have these town traits coming from him: activity, genuine emotions, fake claim
Mafis traits: using bad arguments to survive, calling me town but locking a lynch on me based on a bugs case he couldn't rve get deeper on why it was good, unclaim
I was townreading him for the unclaim because I couldn't see why Mafia would get out of the safe spot that saved him from being lynched just to say I ACTUALLY LIED LOLOLOLOL
But then, thinking about it further, I realised that he could be afraid of investigative roles that may have in the game that could get a red check on him, so he unclaimed in a way he had an excuse to say "if I turn red, I could be Miller". And he did that EXACTLY after I joked about it, and he said "anyone can claim Miller, you know?"
So it crossed his head after I said it and he may have thought that it would be safer to do that.
But my problem is that I can see him doing it as VT afraid of a check.
And it sucks 
My biggest concern is that his fake claim AND his unclaim were made out to survive. Which we all know is a scum trait.
+ Show Spoiler +And if he is Mafia they absolutely don't have a Miller
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On June 20 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:08 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points:
1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size.
2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games.
3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database)
Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game.
Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ? I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch.
?????????????
Where do you town read mig?
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On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye  if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm.
Wow.
This post is so townie it hurts.
Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now.
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On June 20 2015 01:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:24 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:11 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine) I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me In torn apart, really. I have these town traits coming from him: activity, genuine emotions, fake claim Mafis traits: using bad arguments to survive, calling me town but locking a lynch on me based on a bugs case he couldn't rve get deeper on why it was good, unclaim I was townreading him for the unclaim because I couldn't see why Mafia would get out of the safe spot that saved him from being lynched just to say I ACTUALLY LIED LOLOLOLOL But then, thinking about it further, I realised that he could be afraid of investigative roles that may have in the game that could get a red check on him, so he unclaimed in a way he had an excuse to say "if I turn red, I could be Miller". And he did that EXACTLY after I joked about it, and he said "anyone can claim Miller, you know?" So it crossed his head after I said it and he may have thought that it would be safer to do that. But my problem is that I can see him doing it as VT afraid of a check. And it sucks My biggest concern is that his fake claim AND his unclaim were made out to survive. Which we all know is a scum trait. + Show Spoiler +And if he is Mafia they absolutely don't have a Miller You know I actually had a dream that I was the Miller and they happen to investigated me as a Cop and the Cop outed out I got lynched and Cop gets night killed lol.
I bet you had 
I had a nightmare. I dreamed that I was eating fish but it had huge hidden "needles(?)" that pierced my mouth all over from the inside.
Scary shit
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On June 20 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:On June 20 2015 01:08 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points:
1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size.
2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games.
3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database)
Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game.
Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ? I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch. ????????????? Where do you town read mig? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I actually starting to like Mig a little bit his first posts he actually brought something original to the table regarding GB :O Pretty much his stuff I liked when I saw them at first sight.
Ok
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On June 20 2015 01:32 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts.Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now. why?
He is appealing to me and asking me to reevaluate, which is per se, townie.
But you see, he appealed to ME, which indicates he town reads me, consistent to his change of votes.
In the other way, he isn't appealing to bugs who has been calling him scum too.
It follows a town perspective perfectly
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I'm phone posting Kelsier. It takes a while
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Kelsier, what would you expect from a Mafia?
I would expect a Mafia would align himself with bugs and go against me. Way easer than appealing to me.
Do you get where I'm coming from?
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On June 20 2015 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:
meh either way I didn't get the "wow that guy is townie" feeling from his post and I am surprised you did.
I admit I may be biased by bugs scum read on him
I will reevaluate later. But it feels townie to me
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On June 20 2015 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, what would you expect from a Mafia?
I would expect a Mafia would align himself with bugs and go against me. Way easer than appealing to me.
Do you get where I'm coming from? It depends on your alignment, like most of my thoughts at this point.
Assume I'm town.
I certainly am.
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It's simple:
Mafia isn't killing me today because I've been scumread by townies + townies think that I'm the key to solve the game
So, I invite any investigative role to perform night action on me, if you have any doubts I'm town. I will be too unlucky to be Miller since I have about just 10% of chance of rolling Miller IF there is actually a Miller in this setup
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On June 20 2015 02:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads because he said that?
Come on. Easiest interpretation was that he thought he was going to die this night.
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On June 20 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
im not gonna lie watching bugs and gb talk about each other and the associations have given me the double bus feelings many times
I'm amazed on how you can be this wrong in a game.
Let's try it in another way. Consider I'm town. What are the consequences?
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On June 20 2015 03:15 Holyflare wrote:
like gb why on earth are you standing in this vast expanse of privileged information about the lynch and how shit went down and the only thing you've done in regard to things that happened is "this player is weird", "that's weird"
+rehashed everything about ls and things that people already said
tell me man
You think I should be doing vote count analysis?
One vote count is impossible to be analysed even when I know I'm town.
Could LS be Mafia and his wagon being deflected to create mine? Yes.
Could bugs me mafia trying to create a wagon on me to deflect a wagon on LS? Yes.
Could bugs be town and strong pushing me because he really believes in Mafia? Yes.
Could people fake their certainty of me being scum because they didn't care who was going to lynch? Yes.
Could town be passive because they had two scumreads up to the lynch? Yes
So no, I'm not doing a vote count analysis. I will analyse people's gameplay.
You're putting too much expectations on me. You think I am always effortful when I'm town. I'm not. Regardless, here I am giving reads and I just told you why bugs could be Mafia because of his reaction to Mig's ganeplay.
I also reevaluated my read on Breshke, although I'm still concerned about his calm on reading me regardind the things that happen on the last game + why does he makes a meta on bugs based on last game but not on me? It doesn't make sense to me.
Mig voting pattern makes no sense either since he raised suspicions on me but never followed up, sees Rsoultin hard defending me (who is someone he threw suspicions at too), but refuses to vote me.
I really don't get what is you problem with meo
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Tell me who was the first who raised suspicions on mig
On bugs
On Breshke
And you're saying I'm rehashing opinions?
Please.
Nobody gave a word about the fact of LS being afraid of suffering night actions + that if he is Mafia he is never godfather and there never is a framer on the Mafia team.
Please.
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On June 20 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote:
bugs reaction to mig is also congruent with his attitude that has been explained multiple times this game of "not needing to talk about his town reads" or whatever it is he keeps saying
Come on HF
This is purely confirmation bias
Consider yourself Mig's play. Consider bugs discourse "I can read him better", never tries to work with his town read and only gives an opinion when inquired, then his townread does the most nonsensical vote yesterday, and he doesn't inquire him BUT SCUMREADS SOMEONE THAT DID THE SAME SHIT?
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On June 20 2015 04:33 Damdred wrote:
GB with an interesting point.
GB do you think the amount of effort bugs has given is congruent with his normal town game? I've only glanced at his scum games but this does seem a bit extreme from what I read so far level of effort etc. If he's scim
You meant he isn't effortful in his scum games?
I've played only one game with him and I never searched for his previous games
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By the way I've decided HF is Mafia. He can't be this biased as town
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