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/in: Open
Put me into one of the open slots as I have played 5 TL mafia games so do not qualify for the new player slots, and if a newer player wants to take my spot I am fine with that. I was going to join the witch mafia thing but it seems a bit confusing to me so I would rather do a "normal" one xD. Also I have some concerns that I may be a bit aggressive and abrasive in my posting and that could be off-putting to the new players, I have tried to tone it down in my most recent game but want to see if the hosts and other people think it may be an issue or if it is fine.
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It was before the game started!
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Lots of people, some will even say "gg i got town again...boring" at the start (dont believe them)!
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You gonna be here to confirm into this game oats???
<3
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On June 08 2015 15:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 13:59 Kickstart wrote: You gonna be here to confirm into this game oats???
<3 hey host error man. Lies BH is perfect.
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And if a new player needs a spot still I'll gladly give mine, just say so in this thread (im already in another game atm so dont feel bad if u want the spot, I rly dont mind).
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Why are half of TL Mafia players perma-high.
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Naw you, onegu, chez. lots of others are high sometimes too but u guys are perma-high.
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Though chez' video in the other game is the funniest thing I've seen on here.
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sorry to hear that. might explain the posting style though ^^
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Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, you answered a question directed at me!
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But I might give you points for answering it correctly. Maybe. Probably not.
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Also lol@ruxxar not finding the jokey first posts 'genuine enough'. You so silly. or scum. Ill let you decide which it is.
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Oh also, dont forget that you have to 'actually' vote in the other thread. Generally you still say it here as well though so that people are sure to read it.
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Day1 just at game start association cases are bad. Especially when I'm not scum.
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And there are 3 mafia, 10 town. There are probably blue roles and possibly mafia roles but this we do not know, only the possibility that there is.
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I'm joking with him it means nothing. His statement was silly and scummy, I said I would let him decide which one he wants us to classify it as. (hint: I think it is mildly scummy).
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I've explained the no lying thing, read please. If you say you will do something do it - that is what is generally meant in forum mafia about lying. If you say " I will give my reads at such and such time", then you better do it, etc etc.
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And town shouldn't really lie anyways. I don't know how ruxxar got in his mind that this game is about lying all over the place. Towns job is to not lie and be open and honest, only people that need to be thinking about lying this early are scum, save for some rare situations.
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What case. The only case is that ruxxar misunderstood everything I said.
Just an fyi, I will tunnel people to hell and back who willfully misrepresent what I say. Ask Oats. Whenever he decides to show up that is.
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Ruxxar is looking most scummy and sulfurus needlessly hoping on me as well is suspicious. Especially when he cites a non existent case as the reason.
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People have been asking questions so I have been answering them. I mean its a newbie game for a reason. And you scum read me for that?????? This makes 0 sense.
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##Unvote ##Vote Sulfurus
Explain your pointless vote you scummer.
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Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm.
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You gonna have to more succinctly explain the bats scum read cause Im not seeing it.
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The rule is actuallywhoever votes Chezinu and doesn't know Chezinu is mafia. And since Chez isnt in this game the rule doesnt apply!
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I believe the idea is roughly that Chezinu is a trolly poster so he comes off as an easy target, so scum team that doesn't know that Chezinu always trollposts see easy lynchbait and go on it.
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Oats already making up stuff and casting votes based on the stuff he made up. You supposed to be one of the experienced player mang what is you doing.
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suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. we ALL believe you.
Anyways I got no read off of what bats has done. What you think of the ruxxar situation.
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Also the 2 people who scumread me peaced out of the thread. How dare they.
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Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm.
First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me.
On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote: Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game!
On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx!
Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there.
On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think.
Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo.
On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like liars? Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. This goes for both sides. Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia. What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you.
And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again.
On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement.
And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point.
On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:ruXxar1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Show nested quote +Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars.
On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows.
On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote: I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.
I'm gathering information to base my reads upon. I can only evaluate what I've read so far.
Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.
You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments.
I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case.
Thoughts?
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And then Sulfurus is scummy for jumping on me with his scumbuddy based on nothing and then peacing out of the thread when questioned about it.
Early day1 association cases too ez4me.
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@moosy no I was not baiting. I mean that he entirely missed the problem with him answering that when it wasn't directed at him.
@Oats So I make a read and ask for opinions on it and you scum read me for tryharding? Amusing coming from a guy who makes up a rule and then pushes a nonsense read on bats based on said rule that he just made up. Really don't know what it is with you but you just perpetually tunnel me and annoy me in every game.
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On June 12 2015 11:25 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) Are noobking and ruxx town then? I townread n00b because I liked his post on ruxx. I townread ruxx at the time but I want to take the time to digest Kick's latest post before giving another read on him. Before you do that why not answer my question to you. I've mentioned it several times now. Explain your vote on me.
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Might go to sleep soon because I'm tired and I'm tempted to just get into a shit fight with Oats all game at this point because he is being nonsensical.
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I never said I thought he was town. I said I didn't read his posts either way. And you scumreading me for tryharding makes less sense then your bats push to me. Also I referenced the wrong game but it doesn't matter.
Go look at my previous games if you are "concerned" with my "tryhard" posting style (just rofl at how bullshit this is), you will find that this is normal for me and that when I have been lynched for my posting it has been a mislynch.
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On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: ^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. You could be right, and as I said I usually do give players I don't know and new players the benefit of the doubt, but as I said the fact that he has done several things that I think are scummy and none that I deem towny is why I presented this and asked for peoples thought. Also, the goal of town is not to protect themselves from a mafia nightkill. This doesn't matter in the slightest unless you are a blue role or something, and even then, the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum. Sitting back and not being a target is literally the last thing you want to do as town because it makes it hard to read you, which is shit for town but good for scum because they already know your alignment while town doesn't.
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On June 12 2015 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: @Kickstart, I'm not saying you're tryharding I'm saying ruXx was tryharding at the start. Please re-read. That was directed at Oats..................................................................................
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On June 12 2015 11:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: On that note, why you getting so offensive bro? My post does not attempt to scumread you, I'm just trying to interpret ruXx's posts in a different light. Is the reason you're getting offensive about people scumreading you is because you're actually scum? I always get defensive when people scum read me. Because they always do it based on nothing or bullshit reasons. Again I will refer you to my previous games, which I have already asked people to do if they have concerns about my style.
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On June 12 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote:@Kickstart the initial scumread on you is essentially cause most of your posts up to that point were filler although that seems to not be true anymore. Regarding ruXxar answer me this: A common mafia tell for new players is to both refrain from posting and to be timid in their posts however as n00bKing pointed out neither of these are true for ruXxar; and in your own post you say ruXxar falls for a different new player tell by citing his inexperience. So why is it that some of these tells apply to ruXx but others don't? I don't really think your question makes sense but Ill attempt to answer anyways. First off, just because a player does X doest not mean they are scum. If ruXxar had lurked and been timid in his posting that doesn't automatically make him mafia, nor does my point about him citing his inexperience make him mafia. The point is that these are some traps that inexperienced scum players fall into for different reasons. Asking why he doesn't do one but does another just makes no sense to me. I mean, I've not played with him before but it seems he isn't the quiet passive type so by definition the first "tell" you cited wouldn't be a tell of his would it?
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On June 12 2015 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 12 2015 11:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: On that note, why you getting so offensive bro? My post does not attempt to scumread you, I'm just trying to interpret ruXx's posts in a different light. Is the reason you're getting offensive about people scumreading you is because you're actually scum? I always get defensive when people scum read me. Because they always do it based on nothing or bullshit reasons. Again I will refer you to my previous games, which I have already asked people to do if they have concerns about my style. Yeah dont do this. Stop asking people to do your work for you. If you really think that your previous town and scumgames have a huge difference in the way you post, then show some examples if you want to use that as a reason for people to townread you. Pretty much done interacting with you. You always get on my nerves and you always read me wrong. I asked people to do no work. If someone scum reads me for my general posting or the way I play, then THEY should read my fucking game history because they have no fucking reason to be suspicious of my posting style or playstyle if they don't know how I normally post or play.
I am going to ignore you for a bit because you just annoy me and I don't agree with anything you have said this game and I haven't agreed with anything you have said in other games. And I will post what I want, get off your high horse.
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Like everything you say is just nonsense and it irks me so fucking much. I can't help but just argue with you the entirety of every game I'm in with you because you literally make no fucking sense.
You make up some bullshit about people voting someone who claims VT being scummy. Nonsense. You also appeal to the thread twice so far with "Can we just kill XXXXX". Why are you so keen on having everyone just vote on somebody. Scum are the ones who don't care who gets lynched, town shouldn't and doesn't think this way. You then get in your head that I have a town read on someone just because I don't agree with your nonsense scumread on them. And your most recent posts are just lecturing me.
Just go away already.
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On June 12 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start. Why is this post edited. DO not edit your posts.
And yes, he annoys me. I thought maybe after 3 years it would be different but nope, he still does.
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Anyways going to go lay down. Might be back in a couple hours or be asleep for the night and not be back for 8-9ish hours or so.
Just want to say that I hope everyone posts and interacts in the thread and don't be afraid to post your thoughts. As a new town player your #1 job is to show that you are town, and you can only do this by being active in the thread and being open and honest with your opinions.
Alright later everyone.
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Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?
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Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well.
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You would maybe be right if one could rely on Onegu. But assuming one can rely on Onegu is quite an assumption ^^.
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Only person who hasn't said anything at this point is boxerfred I think. I'm following another game he is in and hes posting there! Maybe he forgot about this one :o.
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Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression.
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Thought we had another whole day. Or am I that out of it still.
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On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~
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Yeh you are still posting weird to me. Like why would you as an experienced player just resign to having other people defend you or get you out of a lynch. Unless you were mafia and didn't want to give out information.
I still think we have another day left btw but I could be completely wrong. mods halp, put a timer in votecounts :D!
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On June 13 2015 05:53 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. + Show Spoiler +Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. What makes you think he's slightly scummy? And if others think he's slight town (like myself, I pointed out his interesting goosebump post) what's it matter? Every one could say X is town and if I don't agree, I'm going to say it. "If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth."-Ghandi My initial read post on him still applies. And since then to me his only defense has been "as mafia I wouldnt do this that or this and I would do this that and the other", which isn't helpful.
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Yeah bats being totally weird this game. Dunno what to think about it.
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Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange.
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Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot. Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what.
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First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though. Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
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meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels
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Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier.
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Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long.
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On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote: Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line.
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Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves.
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Of course me coming back after being afk looks bad, good job pointing out the obvious. Would you prefer I stayed afk? I don't need to make excuses cause it comes down to real life stuff which isn't anyone's business. Deal with it or don't. Me apologizing is because I don't think it is fair to everyone that I was afk when I am normally much more active. I should just ignore people commenting on me coming back but it annoyed me.
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Also Oats trying to make an association between me and sulf makes no sense.
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Being afk doesn't make someone scum.
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Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.
##Unvote ##Vote Sulfuras
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Eh didnt look at role possibilities. There are still better lynches than me regardless.
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I am playing, my vote is on scum.
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More than you are able to say.
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People are just desperate to get a lynch on me, to the point they are making stuff up. I never promised anything, people saying I did is a lie. Don't listen to damdred either, he can't read me for anything. Last game he lynched me as a blue role and everyone watching the game sad it was the most terrible lynch ever. This would be another one of those times. Yes my activity is down, but no one has anything to paint me as scum other then them not liking my level of activity this game.
The people who are extremely interested in starting this wagon on me are damdred and ruxxar it seems. Damdred I don't know how to read because he did this same retarded shit last game and was town so I don't know. Ruxxar has been scummy all game. Going through Ruxxars filter he is literally all over the place. From weird asoociated cases that make no sense, to saying sulfuras is scum to then saying if sulfuras flips red town can go ahead and lynch him next (first he is sure sulf is scum then few posts later he is sure he is town). It doesn't make any sense. Parts of his filter seem reasonable but then others he is just way out there. Checked to see if there were any shenanis from him around the grept lynch but his vote is just as weird as anyone elses. He did a complete 180 on his bats read though but not sure that indicates much.
So while I think they are suspicious I think sulfurus is still the better lynch today as in my mind he is by far the scummiest.
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ebwop: should clarify that while ruxxar being all over the place is concerning, I think it could also be typical of a new town player trying to figure things out. So while some of his actions are suspect, I think sulfurus has been more scummy in that I dont get that same feeling from his posting.
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I said sorry once. Again you are just making stuff up in that regard. Only in your mind was last game an ok lynch and was I playing weird at all, your only qualm was my posts were too long.... But I don't want to argue with you about a prior game or about anything for that matter. For someone who likes to talk about what others do, you sure sit back and do nothing early on and get yourself into the the most ridiculous tunnels :rollseyes:.
Not discussing this nonsense further it is a waste of time.
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And why is oats just ok with hoping on every fucking wagon there is. From his first 5 posts all he does is "Can we please just kill _________"?
Why are you not at all concerned about who the lynch targets are and just pile on whatever wagon there happens to be.
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I tend to agree with your reads. Ive been suspicious of ruxx and sulf from the start and theyve not done much to change that. Like I said ruxxars posting is a bit odd so I'm not entirely sure but I would say they are my strongest scum reads. I think Oats play has been suspicious for reasons I pointed out already. I pointed it now but I also pointed it out way early in Day1 because he was doing it then too. Kept asking everyone "Can we just lynch _______?" which I think is weird because it seems like he has had no concern over who the vote is on, ever. Rels was scummy but then he wrote a dissertation so he seems alright for now. Of the veterans I would only be willing to lynch Oats probably, I think we got at least 2 scum in the new players :D. After sulfurus then ruxxar I would have to look at scotts and moosy's filters. Off the top of my head I am more suspicious of scott but that is probably just because he has scum read me and moosy hasnt so I probably need to take a closer look at them both to see how they stand on reads apart from me.
That said it's late and I'm going to sleep~
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Case on me is awful and those pushing it look bad for it. Your case is that I was gone so I can back and went with thread sentiment because no one was on the lynches I thought were scum and that makes me scum? And then when that guy came in and posted a lot I took my vote off of him (like most others) and put it onto scum, which happens to be who I pegged as scum from early on? Yeah, nice case, not. I proposed cop check if you were actually worried about me, but still your only points are that I was afk and then came back to the thread, which is fucking awful as it is in no way alignment indicative. I read through Rels 'case' on me as he asked where he says I promised something, I don't see it. Only thing I see is that I said I would look at sulfurus filter, and I did, and he is scummy. Don't think this wagon warrants much of a defense as it is literally 'Kickstart was afk, came back and went with thread sentiment because he wasn't up to date'. Which is dumb. I have pushed who I thought were scummy, better yet my suspicions and scum reads have remained relatively similar now with perhaps Oats on my list too. This poor attempt at a wagon on me and Trfel and Rels has me concerned but I'll see what else they do as I don't want to omgus people to death.
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Now looked at Trfels case and it is ridiculous as well. Same point about being afk and coming back and going with sentiment. Fine, that I am guilty of. The idea what I've said nothing about ruxxar and sulfurus is ridiculous as I was the first to push them both and call them scummy day 1. I suggest you go re read it instead of making shit up about me never mentioning them. The cop check thing I'm not even serious about. I think this is a ridiculous lynch attempt on me, and I just proposed that if someone is cop and was truly concerned about me they could check me. Turns out that we could have a godfather so that doesn't even matter. For anyone to propose that I am the optimal lynch today is in my mind an attempt to throw town off. First of all there are no strong scum reads or cases on me. The ones put forth all revovle around what I did once I came back from being afk for well over a day, if you can't see why someone would behave as I did after that then you aren't thinking clearly. There are targets much scummier than me.
Ask yourself what happens if I get lynched and flip green? You have waisted an entire cycle on a ridiculous lynch and you will have gotten absolutely no information. And you won't even have an easy time sorting out the town from the scum on my wagon because they both will pull the same bullshit the moment I flip 'Oh well guess he was town after all, too bad he shouldn't have afked". And that is where town will be, with nothing gained.
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what I just posted. anyone who doesn't see this as opportunistic is not thinking in my mind. this is an easy mislynch wagon for mafia, but the concern is as I just posted. When I flip green town gains literally no information because the first thing both town and scum will do is as I said "oh he was green should've tried harder/not been afk".
Got to get ready for an appointment be back in a few hours.
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Alright then lynch me. When I flip green you can be in as useless a place as I said you would be. I ask you to consider what shape town is in if I flip green because I know the answer but it seems you either a) aren't considering it or b) don't care. Both of which are weird. Also I did give some reads earlier on who I thought was scummy and who I would lynch/not lynch. They may not be detailed or as in depth as you would usually expect from me but we've been over the reasons for that, you do what you wish with the information. Anyways really got to go now , just been getting ready. I expect to be back in under 2 hours or so.
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Lol Sulf is blatant scum. Also people keep saying to defend the points, I did to the extent I'm able and willing. In my mind there isnt much to defend myself against except being afk and trying to clamore back into the game vs an entire thread that is mad at me. You can lynch someone scummy in Sulf or you can lynch someone who was afk for a bit and will flip green in me.
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Well I actually tend to think anyone pushing on me is scummy. But I thought he was scummy before he just did that.
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How long do I have. 2 1/2 hours?
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I'm here but going to forumulate a big ass post in typical Kickstart fashion because if town is going to be bad and let this lynch on me happen I can at least try to give something so you won't be in a useless spot after the lynch like you would be if it happened right now. Give me some time it takes me awhile to make these big posts, will try and keep up with the thread as I'm working on it.
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See shit already going down while I'm formulating my posts. Only gone through one person so far -_-.
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Still working on large post but it is coming.
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Here are my thoughts after looking through these peoples filters and just seeing how they are playing.
First I want to say who I get town reads on. I tend not to think they are as useful as scum reads but I haven't addressed my town reads at all this game and we are far enough into the game for me to have some people in my town circle.
Town Reads
On Damdred He seems quite towny to me. I will admit I often run into the trap of town reading people who are expressing similar thoughts as I am but aside from him having the same general scum reads or at least being suspicious of the people I am is a point that makes me think he is town. Aside from that though I think he has demonstrated a will to solve this game and push his agenda (which I think has been town) by asking the right questions and offering up his advice. This starts immediately on his entry. He replaced in when there was a wagon onto bats and he immediately started asking questions and offering his opinion and experiences he has had from playing with bats in prior games. In a situation where he could so easily have added pressure onto the wagon or just let it continue if scum, he demonstrated town mentality by asking questions and trying to figure things out. There is nothing particularly worth quoting from his day1 filter but a quick look at it just strengthens this opinion to me, he seems genuinely interested in solving the game. I will say his posting around the geript lynch is weird but I wasn't really there at the time and to me the whole situation is weird but that is just because I get the benefit of coming into it after the fact knowing he was town. Him being on the geript lynch makes him as questionable as everyone else in my opinion but his play outside of that has been town oriented I think. After the lynch on geript I quite like his posting and again displayed his trying to figure out the game. This post in particular:
On June 14 2015 12:15 Damdred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Damdreds Late night Reads List:
Firstly i'm going to take out the wagons that ended up with 0 votes to start with, and also the scratched people presently. I'll dedicate a post later to talking about vote changes (maybe in this post on some people) to determine some alignments if I can.
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript,
This is what we end up with (cleaned up version)
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript,
First thing I do is color in Geript with a bold and a green since hes flipped to the thread.
Secondly since im not confirmed to the thread but to myself (go me) i'm putting myself as green. I'd rather not have to right out a town case currently for myself so just trust me for now.
Two easiest town reads are now colored in green for me.
Batsnacks I've covered pretty extensively in my earlier filter, if you want the longer case its in my filter go read it a bit. But to add on a bit, Bats made a decent point and pushed it. Thought he found a slip and pushed it, he led the lynch on Geript even fi he flipped town. Scum bats is really back seat he does try to cause confusion. However at this end of day he was really useful he was calm and acted really towny with how he went about the lynch. This guy might be the most town I've ever seen Bats be before, if he did this as scum i'm pretty impressed.
Trfel, is town also. Made some excellent points on Rel, but ended up sheeping Batsnacks around the same time I did. The posts that Trfel did make were some of the longer cases I thought were pretty good and factually sound. Though some people might disagree with them It hought they were really good and showed a clear understanding of what was going on. Also Trfel knows my kryptonite somewhat and how to abuse me in a thread without seeming scummy for it and chose to try to work with me and give me time instead of coming down hard on me. Its also partially a tone read and how the involvement in the thread is going. i'm pretty confident that Trfel is town here.
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript,
Ruxxar is one of my scum leans currently. I won't take credit for the initial find of the post where he switched votes from bats to Geript. (Wave gets credit for pointing it out) He shows very little consistency with how his reads change and how he approaches the thread, for example when bats makes his push on Geript he showed very little suspicion for someone that was hard scum reading Bats and thought that he was the best lynch in the entire game. Also he gave kickstart a town lean for almost no reason when he was suspicious of him before. He also has expanded his filter with a lot of talk about speculation and about claims and how to handl blues etc. Overall I think hes decently scummy and should be lookd at harder.
WaveofShadow is another decent town lean currently. He shows genuine interest in figuring out peoples alignments, he pushes on people and is searching to find scum when he is here. One of the negatives I have is that sometimes he feels a little passive in the way that he does things at the same time. I know for instance he asked me several questions that I just didn't answer at the time and still haven't answered (I believe) and even though I've been in the thread with him he just hasn't cared. So he worries me a little bit but i'm generally paranoid of him also, plus he soft pushed geript a little bit.
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript,
Moosy I think is town, I would look at him more later, and its mostly just a gut feeling. He feels really honest to me and just confused at points. I think hes town.
Tone read on scott, and his postings just feel like his towny self. Good direction I feel like at points.
I am going to end this here for now, I don't have the attention span to go through everything. I'll try to finish reads before the morning on the others. I'm still leaning scum on Rels and kickstarts activity is worrying and lack of real content compared to his other games. I think this is good analysis with some decent conclusions and again shows his trying to figure out the game. I don't agree with all of his reads but I think this is a good indication of him playing with a town mindset.
One thing I do want to note that I think is a bit strange is his hard defending of bats. Bats is someone who I wouldn't be comfortable reading as solid town but Damdred did almost immediatly. I don't think mafia comes in and just hard defends someone so early day1 who has a wagon on them at the moment but I wonder what his thoughts are now on bats as since then he hasn't said much about him. Is bats still confirmed town for Damdred because I don't get the same impression of him.
On Wave Wave is another town read. Probably not as strong as I would put Damdred but I still think his play is from a town perspective. He has been quite active in pressuring various people and been pretty forthright with his reads (even though a lot of them were wrong ). He is constantly analyzing things and giving his reads on the various situations that arise and this is good I think. Again just looking through his filter screams town to me. Nothing in particular to quote but it is constant pressure and evaluating of the situation.
Those are probably my strongest town leans at the moment. I would lean town on moosey, bats, and trfel but not to the extend of the other two and will keep an eye on what they are doing for sure.
Now to the important part, who I think is scummiest. The three people that look scummiest to me at the moment are ruxxar, oats, and sulfurus. Not sure what to think of this pairing as there has been a lot of them calling each other scummy and such but as there are no red flips yet I won't worry too much about that fact because I think it can be done as either alignment.
Scum Reads
On Oats **While formulating I see some discussion already going on around Oats but I'll go ahead with this as I've announced my suspicions on him earlier last night and even earlier in the game.**
Of course I almost immediately had it out with oats early on in the game but from past experiences we just butt heads. My largest concern from him at the moment is from what I remember he is usually very active in pushing an agenda, and this game I feel like he is just riding along trying to not to create any waves. I grant that it has been some time since I played with him last but irregardless his actions are still scummy and I don't see them being made from a town perspective.
Numerous times he has either just voted on someone with little backing it up or by asking the thread "can we just kill this person". I stated my issues with that before but just to reiterate why would town be so unconcerned with who the lynch is and be willing to just lynch anyone with little to no thought involved, which is in my opinion what he has been doing. Here are all the times hes done it, and while I grant that the bats one was at the start and just getting things going it is still weird to me so I'll add it:
This is after he has his vote immediately onto bats for pretty stupid reasons. His reasoning was he claimed vt and bats thinks that is scummy therefor oats put a vote on bats and was sure he was scum. Makes no sense.
On June 12 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we just kill bats? Its super obvious, he voted someone that claimed VT.
meh geript, he seems interested and it really feels more like lynchbait than mafia.
Then he wants to lynch me early day1 because I was 'tryharding'. Another one of the stupidest things I've heard. I was the first to hard push onto someone with a small case of all the reasons that I thought someone was slightly scummy and oats thinks to himself "god kickstart sure is trying hard must me mafia". Again this makes no sense and I don't see a towny having that mindset of someone trying hard/pushing their current reads = scum and should be gotten rid of; just makes no sense.
On June 12 2015 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Ì wanna lynch kickstart man.
That case is forcing a read hard.
Yet another vote with little explanation. His concern at the time from his posts around this was that noobs was doing a lot of advice instead of playing the game. This was thread sentiment though and I would say from a new player not necessarily alignment indicative, though on the other hand it could be an easy mislynch for mafia to go after how noobs was posting. He did back off of this vote after noob continuously kept giving advice but thread sentiment then was that noobs posting constant advice wasnt scummy so he had no real choice but to back off of it as that was his only reason for the vote.
On June 12 2015 17:07 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote Noob
He then hoped onto the bats wagon that was still gaining steam. Again based entirely around bats taking issue with his 'claim' of vt which is just stupid.
Then there is this hilarious post from him. He gets off of bats and onto geript and read what he says at the end. I find it amusing as that is how I would classify his play the entire game for the most part.
On June 13 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I DONT WANT TO THINK MAN, i just want to suggest bandwagons and have people sheep me cause I smell nice. geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot.
Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that.
The bolded is just my opinion man.
But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts.
Someone else said it but Oats is quite guilty of posting a lot and hoping onto a lot of wagons but with not much reasoning behind them, so it is funny that early on he would tell someone they are not being helpful when doing this when this is how he has been playing.
More of the lets just lynch anybody and everybody not caring who it is:
On June 13 2015 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone lynch you instead? sounds good to me.
On June 14 2015 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets lynch geript kk.
On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Im going to sleep. Lynch geript.
On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's get moosy tmr
On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I quite like lynching Scot.
Then I don't want to get into too much OMGUS because I am very prone to doing that, but his posting around my wagon is hilarious and so wishy washy, he can't even commit to a read there. First he says I'm obviously town, then asks around the thread to see if there can get a lynch on me, then he comes in again with his "ok lets just lynch him then". Its mind boggling.
On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come.
Let's lynch ruxxar instead.
On June 16 2015 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously why the hell is kickstart a better lynch. Can someone like trfel give me one reason that doesn't include the words activity and promises.
On June 16 2015 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Damdred, do you want to lynch kickstart or not?
On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia.
It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though.
Again I am prone to OMGUS but this is just weird and I can't help but feel he agrees that the points against me were NAI but then as soon as it looks like lynching me is a real possibility he immediately abandons his initial read that I am surely town, quite suspicious.
Oats is probably scum.
On Sulfurus Sulfurus has been scummy all game and has been extremely lurky. With a filter of only 2 pages and in those 2 pages little content and add to that that the content he does give is scummy overall Sulfurus just screams scummy.
I immediatly jumped all over him for this bullshit, is what he came into the thread with and to be honest his posting since has been just as bad:
On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game)
The wishy-washyness continues:
On June 12 2015 14:04 Sulfurus wrote: I'll go ahead and unvote Kick since his filter is no longer just fluff.
He then hops on the bats wagon. Unlike oats who at least had the bullshit reason of bats not liking his vt claim, Sulf literally just says "I agree with you guys he is odd" and offers nothing:
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks
Here is pulling what I will call 'an oats', that is just saying he is fine with lynching whoever (one of whom is confirmed town from a flip) while offering absolutely no reasoning. I'm sure you are willing to just lynch whoever since you are probably mafia.
On June 13 2015 15:38 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? I would definitely lynch and Kick and I would be fine with a Geript lynch. Wave was very quick and eager to lynch on me and Damdred has posted too little for me to read him as town. And no I don't think Bats has been more town recently at all.
More of him willing to lynch whoever for whatever:
On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote: If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats. He also votes on oats then me and offers little reasoning.
His play has just been so backseat and not pushing anything at all and then when he does come in and try to push something it is always off and seems scummy. Just look at his attitude here after the geript mislynch. Note that had geript not been lynched sulfuras was a liekly lynch.
On June 14 2015 09:29 Sulfurus wrote: Wow if I had known you guys weren't going to kill me I would have come back earlier.
Anyway I'm glad we killed someone on my lynch list even if he turned out to be town. I have so many problems with this quote. First off all he just sounds like he resigned to being lynched and afked. I usually class such behaviour as scummy. If you think you are going to be mislynched and are town, you should do everything in your power to give your thoughts and reads so that they are there after you are gone (like I am doing now xD). To me it is only in the interest of scum to clam up and not give out any information if they are on the chopping block because they dont want to give out any info, which is what sulf seems to have done here; he says nothing then comes in and says "oh thank god you didnt lynch me I just went afk because I was on the chopping block, yeah ok buddy. And then the last sentence of he is glad someone on his lynch list died even though that person is confirmed town is weird, especially since sulf has shown a willingness to lynch anyone and everyone for little to no reasons.
Sulf is also probably scum, and with even less to work with than oats and since he has shown that he is going to lurk as much as possible and be as vague and non committal as possible I think he is probably the best lynch at this point, and thus my vote remains there.
On ruXxar I am actually going to go ahead and get this post posted since there isnt much time left but I find ruxxar scummy too and have said so from the beginning. I do think he is most active of the three I have mentioned and he is giving us a lot of things to work with. I also am prone to being lenient with newer players and trying to always remember to take into account that new players may do certain things which seem off. THus while he is scummy, I think he is putting in a lot of effort and giving us a lot to work with in regards to his views and what actions he is taking and pushing so as the game progresses we can get even more info to work with from him. Unlike sulfurus and oats who are content to just sit back and not create any splashes but are still acting scummy he is being active, therefor of the three I would rather lynch into sulfurus and oats and ruxxar last even though I have found him to be somewhat scummy.
Cut my ruxxar shit short but wanted to get this posted with a decent amount of time left. And before someone bitches about my huge post you all bitched at me for not playing like a typically do, so here you have it, the typical kickstart wall of text. Now go vote sulfurus.
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The sulf not voting me is quite strange but I can see mafia justification for it. Especially since I'm set to be lynched without his vote at the moment.
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Also just saw that that my top town reads both have their votes on sulfurus too. THis current situation is literally a case of mafia trying to push the mislynch on me as the most obviously town people arent even on it.
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Iunno, he could switch on me still. Oats doesnt like me and can very well throw his vote on me, same with scott doesnt like me either. If oats and scott vote me and lets assume moosey doesnt I will still be set to lynched. If only one of them does then sulf can hop on me and I'm gone.
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Next time you quote something that big spoiler it ruxx jeebus. And no I am not only townreading them for not being on my wagon. Damdred is a possibility but wave was still on me when I started making that post. But you believe what you want.
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Nah it is true, because I can easily see oats and scott both voting for me. Right now he doesn't need to move to me. But yes I agree it is weird that he doesnt vote me just to save himself, but I think he probably will.
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Actually with bats on sulf too now he has to vote on me and hope scott and oats vote on me too. that assumes moosey doesnt put his vote on me.
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I'm not sure what to think of his current not voting me really. My confirmation bias just wants to assume that he thinks he is going to get lynched so thus if he votes me to try and save himself but flips anyways and is scum he kind of confirms me town. But given that I am a possible mislynch and regardless of if sulf was lynched today he is very liekly to be lynched upcoming cycles, for all this I read it as going down and not giving information. By not voting me to save himself he doesnt auto confirm me as town if he flips red saving mafia the opportunity to get a mislynch on me, which seems to be their goal atm.
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On June 17 2015 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: I also remember someone saying veterans generally hate playing Mafia. If that's the case, does Oatsmaster's attitude reflect this? (Question oriented towards the vets) I can see why someone would say that. I mean I myself have had little motivation earlier in this game because I think I burnt myself out from playing too many games right in a row/simultaneously. That said, there is a difference between someone burnt out and playing like shit and someone burnt out and playing scummy. I think I was playing like shit and that is why the people who played with me before were suspicious/mad at me, I think oats play has been pure scummy, but I can't speak to whether or not he is motivated to play, only that I think he is scum ^^.
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On June 17 2015 06:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 06:27 Kickstart wrote: I'm not sure what to think of his current not voting me really. My confirmation bias just wants to assume that he thinks he is going to get lynched so thus if he votes me to try and save himself but flips anyways and is scum he kind of confirms me town. But given that I am a possible mislynch and regardless of if sulf was lynched today he is very liekly to be lynched upcoming cycles, for all this I read it as going down and not giving information. By not voting me to save himself he doesnt auto confirm me as town if he flips red saving mafia the opportunity to get a mislynch on me, which seems to be their goal atm. If he switches, it's an almost clear sign he's Mafia. His best bet is for scott to come to his rescue. It might also just be a case of Sulfurus leaving after his couple of posts so he hasn't seen what's happening. Yeah that is my thinking. He looks bad if he votes me regardless of his actual alignment. If he is town though he should 100% vote for me, especially since he has consistently stated he thought I was scum. I think the only reason he doesn't is to try and save the mislynch opportunity on me for later. But even this is weird thinking so I dont know, but that's the world im in currently.
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Lol. rels you are so ridiculous. My quotes from them illustrates my points about them. If you think my points on them are bullshit bring one up specifically, I cant respond to you if you just say "your entire huge post is bullshit, all of it. As for point 2, I have pushed both ruxxar and sulf this game. My only vote that has been without good explanation was my vote on you. Now I can see the OMGUS from you onto me for me coming back from being afk and just joining the wagon on you because that was thread sentiment, but to say that none of my votes have been with no explanations is not true when they all have save for that one instance on you. Take a step back from your OMGUS tunnel on me and realize that me coming back from being afk and going with thread sentiment isn't as scummy as you want it to be.
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Well come on. I mean I don't want to make excuses for myself when I have already said it over and over again, but I was fucking afk for eod1 and all of the night1 and into day2 and you expect me to come out with a million points against people when ive missed that much? That is just not reasonable to expect from me. And while I dont have a million points against my scum reads, I do have points that I expanded upon to show what I mean, and I beleive they are good points as to why they could be scum. I gave the reads I could give given how I've played, I apologize that I was afk and probably can't provide as good as a read as if I were here the whole time, but I wasn't here, so expecting that of me is not reasonable.
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Well now you are doing the same thing everyone always does and complaining about my style of posting. THat is how I post. You even observed the game where I got mislynched as a blue for my posting style, and now your point against my case is that it isnt stylized how you like?????????????????????????????????? I wasn't going for a fucking summary post I was trying to thoroughly explain things the best I could.
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On June 17 2015 06:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 06:42 Kickstart wrote: Well come on. I mean I don't want to make excuses for myself when I have already said it over and over again, but I was fucking afk for eod1 and all of the night1 and into day2 and you expect me to come out with a million points against people when ive missed that much? That is just not reasonable to expect from me. And while I dont have a million points against my scum reads, I do have points that I expanded upon to show what I mean, and I beleive they are good points as to why they could be scum. I gave the reads I could give given how I've played, I apologize that I was afk and probably can't provide as good as a read as if I were here the whole time, but I wasn't here, so expecting that of me is not reasonable. Can you give me a quick summary on each of your scum then please. Don't worry about justifications, they are in your big post. Just the points.
I can sum up oats and sulfurus the same basically. THey are both lurky, short filters, non-commital, and they are willing to lynch anyone and everyone for little to no reason or justification. You said I made all my votes like this but as I pointed out I think i've had my vote on only 3 people this game, ruxxar, sulfurus, and yourself. I concede that my vote on you was bad, but it was right when I got back from being gone and it was thread sentiment at the time, my other 2 votes I have read as scum all along. Compare this with sulfurus and oats who have each voted on a ton of people, not just 3 like myself, and each time it has been with literally nothing. Not counting pure votes you can look at who they are suspicious of or who they are scum reading, they have BOTH been wishy-washy and non commital and that is what I tried to point out.
To me town players should be very concerned about who they lynch and why, and I don't think either of them have been.
I admit I listed ruxxar mostly from my early interaction and impression of him and that is why I am scum leaning him. The reason I kept it short is because he has been posting A LOT, so IF he is scum like I think he may be then he will continue to give us stuff to work with and to evaluaute, while oats and sulfurus have demonstrated their willingness to sit back and do nothing. Thus I would rather vote one of them.
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God I can't even keep it short when asked specifically to keep it short. Sorry not sorry~
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Err whats up to date vote-count I cba to figure it out. Did sulfurus ninja onto me but me as lynch and scott onto sulfurus him? or was sulfurus getting lynched with or withotu scotts vote?
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This is really bad if we are both town sulfurus but it is our faults at this point.
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Yeh his voting is so weird I don't really want to take it into account but its just baffling. Like if he is town he 100% just votes me immediately to save himself, not wait forever and then do it right before eod. Still living in the sulf is scum world and wanted to get a mislynch opportunity on me, but then why did he eventually switch.
Just dunno.
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Inb4 sulf flips red and is trying to save oats with his "oats is 100% scum" reverse trickery.
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Only thing that makes sense cause fucking me bats and moosey surely arent the best lynches or most scummy atm. the fuq
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My only concern is if he flips green then there is no way I save myself next day, and town is boned from all of this. O well almost eod time :fingers crossed:
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Am i confirmed town now friends?
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Also I am really fucking bad at setup speculation but the only reason mafia would have a godfather is if we had a cop right? Cop is so game winning now that godfather is gone.
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Also, I am sticking with my theory that he top reads oats as his scum buddy to try and buy oats cred. not fooling me~
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to you? SHould have listened to me from start of day 1 ez~ /ego
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I immediately want to run through all the association cases but dunno how well that will serve us. Off the top of my head he aligned himself with ruxxar and rels from what I recall. Still think oats and ruxxar are scummiest but will see if can get anything from sulfurus filter now that he is confirmed scum.
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Yer the scott bussing sulf is a possibility as sulfurus was 100% the lynch at that point.
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That was stressful but all turned out well. Nothing like town getting ready to mislynch me to get me worked up :@.
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I particualrly like rels calling my reads bullshit but turns out that my top town reads and my sulf scum read are now very likely correct. But I can see I'm prone to just wanting to gloat to everyone so I'm going to go chill for a bit LOL.
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No need to kick a man while hes down ruxxar -_-. But yes mafia do have a quick topic thread of their own where they can communicate with each other.
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Here comes oats to do nothing but create chaos. Why don't you do something towny and hunt scum? Or will you not because you are scum and just took a huge blow in losing sulf? Like why would you come in after this really good lynch for town and first thing you say is "I dont think we should town read anyone based on this lynch", like LOL are you even serious. Now you look to be trying to create some world where I and sulfurus were scum buddies which is just too ridiculous to warrant me arguing against. Oats like nothing you have done seems to be from a town point of view and then you come in with this bullshit after a good lynch for us. Like you are the only person in the world who would argue that no one looks townie from that flip.
Oats is such scum here. But also, its night phase you don't vote yet you nerds.
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There isn't much point in going into sulfs list post before his flip, everyone will just WIFOM it to death and there is no way we can figure out what to make of it. In my opinion he listed people who were obviously pretty much universally town read (moosey and bats), listed me who was going to look real town after he flips red, and then oats his scum buddy to try and throw him into a list of greens after his lynch. People will disagree and like I said its just going to be a WIFOM debate which isn't very productive.
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Ruxxar of all the thing to analyze from this day that post is literally the last thing on the list.
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Hmm. Surely not all 3 mafia were on me. I hate it when people use the "that is too obviously scum for them to be scum", but I mean holy shit all the people I was suspicious of stuck with the vote on me and most of my town reads went onto sulfurus. Game too ez and mafia done goofed in trying to lynch me so hard or???
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I mean I guess as either alignment Oats would need to come in after this lynch and try to say that he isnt as scummy over this lynch as I tend to think but then the part that no one comes out of this looking more townie is just wrong and weird from town perspective. Like if you are town this is easily the event that gives us the most information but oats comes in and says "hey guys we can't really get any information from this flip". To me this doesn't at all show an interest in solving things or figuring them out or anything, it looks like an attempt to create doubt and seems like something scum would try to do to downplay the events. Even as a town who looks bad after this event you would still surely look at what happened and be able to put a few people higher up on your town list but he just comes in and says nope we got no info from this. Makes no sense to me.
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Other than oats who looks bad, I think rels looks bad as well. He tried to stop the switch over to sulf and really wanted the lynch to remain on me. But I am looking at it from a skewed perspective so maybe others can give some input on this? Specifically his posts up to the lynch where he is pushing my wagon and tries to convince everyone that my case is 'shit' when it was in fact true at least in sulfs case, who I said should be the vote.
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On June 17 2015 09:14 ruXxar wrote: Why do you think he wanted to stop the train on you so badly? Who do you mean Oats? I think he tried to get some easy town cred for after my green flip. You ignore the fact that he did with me like he has done with all of his arguments this game. He went back on it and then his vote was on me end of day, so hard to argue that he tried to stop the wagon on me when he was on the fucking wagon lol.
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@Oats
Again this idea you have that me and sulf are somehow scum buddies just doesnt make sense. We were at each other from minute one at the start of the game and I have had him as my top scum read since the beginning of the game and he has pushed to have me lynched likewise. I mean I guess it is POSSIBLE but definitely not the most likely explanation.
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So the idea that I just came in and bussed him doesn't hold up to the reality of what happened
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And still you saying that giving out town reads changes nothing is still wtf to me. How is having strong town reads not a good thing at this point??????????????? Oats if you are town you really are making no sense.
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Yeah the too obvious to be scum theory is terrible and lost me a game that was solved day1. Never again.
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Also if you look at the votes, not counting wave who actually took his vote off of sulfurus and onto me for a short time, I am the first vote onto sulfurus. So the idea that I bussed him for cred makes even less sense because I was the first one on him this day cycle and indeed the first one to say I was suspicious of him at the start of the game.
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The fact that you are still so ride or die scum reading me is hilarious. But I'm done discussing this with you. Again you just lie about me or fail to understand the actual events of the game and me flaming you like I want to do isn't going to change that. I look town after this lynch, get over it. You look even more scum to me after this lynch, get over it.
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And you don't know how to logic. God you are annoying. Your argument is literally that I didn't post much when the topic of 20 pages of discussion was how I was afk. How the fuck do you expect me to post a lot about anyone when I was afk half the game. And yes I defended myself, I always do that, it indicates nothing. Also now you are painting me and Damdred as scummy which is just ridiculous. You are literally attacking both of us for how we play the game, but this is how we always play and anyone who has played with either of us can verify it. Like your reads are so bad at the moment that if town I would never want to play with you again, my only consolation for not just totally flipping my shit at you is the last time we did this dance you were mafia, which I think is again the case.
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Your lie is that I barely mention sulf. I mean from a perspective of me being afk and then having to defend myself forever sure. But from day 1 any time I mention my scum reads sulf was always mentioned by me. You saying I didn't push sulf as scummy is just a lie.
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But unless I really need to I will do what I said I would do day 1 and stop talking with you, you have done nothing beneficial for town, you lurk all game and just willy nilly vote on anyone and everyone, and you are incapable of not mis-representing me, so I see no fucking reason to pay any attention to you what so ever, and suggest others do the same.
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On June 17 2015 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:48 Kickstart wrote: Your lie is that I barely mention sulf. I mean from a perspective of me being afk and then having to defend myself forever sure. But from day 1 any time I mention my scum reads sulf was always mentioned by me. You saying I didn't push sulf as scummy is just a lie. Go on, quote every post in which you mention sulf. It's less than 10. That's pretty much barely. I don't know why you are so angry that I'm 'misreading' you. That's life. Damdred, so who is poe mafia and why didn't you play at all yesterday? Less then 10 when at that point I had like what 25 posts? Your point is still nonsense. Misreading someone is normal, misrepresenting everything they do is different, and you misrepresent. Like I said the only consolation I have is that last time you did this to me you were scum and I think you are scum again, if you are town I don't know what to say aside from you are just way off base and wrong.
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How the fuck can you possibly know that is what happened. The world you are creating as me and damdred being sulfs scum buddies is just so ridiculous. I don't know if you are always like this but my only other game with you where you were like this you were scum so its whatever. You looked bad before this and to me you are making like the dumbest possible reads possible from this days events.
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You being town is a big if. I would probably think ruxxar still and rels are who I would look at most closely after you.
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Twice now Oats said 'hey at least I'm not dying tonight'!!!! Of course you wont you scummer. Scum team is ruxxar/Oats lynch into them next day phase. Also just to add to the ruxxar/sulf association discussion, I got the feeling that Sulfurus came into the thread and immediatly defended and agreed with ruxxar on me which has had me putting them together since the start, that is one of the reasons I was always adamant that I thought sulf and ruxxar were scummy, and with sulf flipping red I of course am even more suspicious of ruxxar now since I had already pinned them as having hard aligned themselves at the beginning of the game over something that really wasn't worth doing so over. God I am terrible at making a point succinctly. Basically ruxxar made some bullshit list on like the second page of the game where he was suspicious of me and then sulfurus comes in with his first post and votes me and just says 'I agree with ruxxars case', when it was literally nothing; so since then I have thought they were scum team together and the flip just strengthened that idea.
Anyways another appointment this time I'll be gone for quite some time but should still be around a bit before EoN. You all have my current thoughts regardless~
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Well I'm damn. Get to hospital and turns out I was a month too early. Deeeeeerp Well now I have more time to be here!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so confirmation biased on Oats right now its ridiculous so literally everything he does I just think its scummy. But Oats and ruXxar are both good next lynches I think. I half expect me or damdred to get night killed just because Oats it really making a point of trying to be suspicious of us, but again I'm confirmation biasing WIFOMing him to death at this point so I'll see what other people make of what he does and the events that unfold.
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Well sucks losing a blue role but to be honest I think we are in a decent position as town with several people looking good and some nice scum reads from the sulf lynch. Just need to ride the momentum from that to a win. I would of course prefer an oats or ruxxar lynch but could probably be convinced to someone like scott or rels but of course would most like to lynch oats first and then ruxxar.
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Oh and gg moosey you did well.
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You are doing it again. We've all told you trying to figure anything out from that post is a fruitless endeavor -_-.
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I mean anyone could read anything into it it is not really at all helpful. Like I could ask you don't you think it is strange that he doesn't mention you at all when he knows he is going to flip and he is scum, is he trying to leave you off to avoid you being suspicious from his lynch? See how this works, you can literally read anything into it you want and there is no right or wrong answer because we can no longer ask sulfurus questions about it.
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The principal is that we try to place ourselves in his shoes and guess what he would have done, but the reality is that you just don't and can't know unless he tells you. Since that post was literally just a list with nothing of an explanation from him we have no way to read that post, no cipher for it if you will. Add to that that he made it late in the day when he was pretty much to be the sure lynch, and he knows he is mafia. So now it is even more of a WIFOM situation than say a similar post early in the game when said player isn't at risk of being lynched because he made this post as scum knowing he was going to flip, so trying to read into it is impossible.
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So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch.
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Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today.
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I dunno I don't see much scum motivation in Damdreds day2 stuff around the sulfurus lynch. Basically said he refused to lynch me when I was probably who scum were going to try for and he was one of the first onto sulf. I mean its possible but if Damdred is scum why doesn't he try to get something going on a townie instead of just hard defending me and immediatly voting his scum buddy. Doesnt make sense to me :/
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He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1 ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).
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Really think you are off with Damdred, but I haven't sen his mafia play D:
That said scott needs to defense himself!
##vote scott31137
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On June 19 2015 04:44 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote:He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1 ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am). Would you agree that if scott is mafia then oats is town?
To be honest I haven't looked at their interactions with each other. At this point I can't say I would agree to that because I just don't know ^^
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Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different.
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Maybe I missed it said or I am dumb but what is POE.
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So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah.
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Err. Not sure we should really discuss an ongoing game like that ruxxar.
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Completed games are fine, not ongoing ones.
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zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3.
Yep, have to get the next one right boys.
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Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad.
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Because you call everyone mafia with no reasoning. Sure is convenient when your votes don't matter and when you have no opinions that town can pin you on isn't it. scum.
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Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~
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Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see.
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Yes. Because we have to lynch scum this time. So if any role has information now is the time to put it on the table as a wrong lynch and we lose.
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What role did sulf flip. OP is not updated with flips so I don't remember if he was a regular goon or a special role. Rly wanted to see if he was godfather cause with a godfather we probably have a cop I would think. (but then we had 2 blue flips already so I dunno). Again, I am shit at setup speculation but I thought sulf was godfather iirc and that should mean we have a cop??? As I think doctor and mad hatter roles aren't considered very powerful in list of possible blue roles. Anyways I'm not a role but I again will say now is the time to come out with info if there is any.
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Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch.
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First of all whatever rels quoted me saying about scott isn't even close to the same thing. Dunno what universe he is in. Rels+oats scum team imo. Oats saying be not liking his play is too much of a compliment to himself. He hasn't been playing. My filter looks like that because you are scum. Just go through Oats filter, it is pathetic how he has played and miraculous that he hasn't been lynched. I told town they would be sorry if oats lived till mylo/lylo and yet here we are.
Wave and trfel arent scummy atm at all and if they are are scum fine they can win. Oats is most scummy followed by rels/ruxxar and like I been saying forever oats needs to be lynched.
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Ill make this real easy in fact. I refuse to move my vote. So you can vote with me and hit mafia or vote whoever mafia is trying to push and lose the game.
##vote Oatsmaster
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Sure you are. Lets gather a list of who Oats has called scummy.
Day1 Starts the game off with a retarded push on bats and thus starts the day1 nonsense where bats was a very possible lynch candidate.
On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
why would you do this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
1. Im vt. 2. Bats is mafia. 3. Chezinu rule. ##vote Bats
Here again he is pushing the retarded bats read but notice him also hedging his bet on geript, WHO HE VOTES FOR LATER ANYWAYS.
On June 12 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we just kill bats? Its super obvious, he voted someone that claimed VT.
meh geript, he seems interested and it really feels more like lynchbait than mafia.
First time he says I'm scum, in his typical shit reasons fashion. Though I guess with oats him giving a shit reason is a rarity cause as you will see he usually doesn't give any reason at all.
On June 12 2015 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Ì wanna lynch kickstart man.
That case is forcing a read hard.
Voted on noobs, justification being noobs had just posted long advice posts instead of scumhunting.
On June 12 2015 17:07 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote Noob
He later took his vote off with a good point about noob continuing to post advice even after called out. But again scum could easily make such a point.
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote: I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote ##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. Notice the continual hedging of his reads and the flip flops. Here he does it while setting up to move his vote on geript. Notice also that up until this point he has only ever pushed for votes on people that are all confirmed town, 3 people not one of them scum. 4 town he pushed on if you count myself as I do.
Still in day 1, still willing to lynch whoever has the wagons and still hasn't pushed any original and meaningful reads.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats.
More nonsense on day 1, again all on confirmed towns:
On June 14 2015 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets lynch geript kk.
On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Im going to sleep. Lynch geript.
On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's get moosy tmr
Night1/Day2 Oats posting around flips is ridiculous in general but this one is pretty good. After only arguing with bats for the entirety of day and bats being the main person he pushes, after the geript flip here is his defense for hoping on the geript wagon:
On June 14 2015 09:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's get moosy tmr Thoughts on the flip Oats? You swapped pretty handily onto geript without any exposition whatsoever after going ham on batsnacks forever. I thought bats looked town. LOL at the blatant lies. Read his day1 filter and aside from the meaningless points his filter is only him 'pressuring'/arguing with/about bats. But he thought he was town, riiiiiiiiiiight.
He also picks up his calling almost everyone mafia. I didn't mention it earlier but he did earlier and here call sulfurus possible mafia, but note that he does not stick to this read or even push sulf at any point in the game. Even when sulf was lynched his vote wasn't there.
On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I quite like lynching Scot.
On June 14 2015 10:12 Oatsmaster wrote: What's your issue wave? Trfels post sounds super scummy, we have only one flip so far but he says he thought we were llooking good with nobody flipped.
On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum. Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe. Just his usual causing a shitstorm and being non-committal and non-helpful.
Then we have the whole day2 vote situation in which oats looks bad in every way imaginable around this flip. First, hes been calling sulf scum but doesn't push the sulf lynch and his vote didn't even end up there it stayed on me.
The wagon on me is picking up steam, he goes from being so ridiculously against it to just saying ok fine and voting me and leaving his vote there:
On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it. What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good. or damdred.
On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come.
Let's lynch ruxxar instead.
On June 16 2015 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously why the hell is kickstart a better lynch. Can someone like trfel give me one reason that doesn't include the words activity and promises. all that only to then do this:
On June 16 2015 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Damdred, do you want to lynch kickstart or not?
On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia.
It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though.
If I looked so towny and sulf looks so bad why the fuck wasn't his vote on sulf.
Day3 After the vote he gets even more ridiculous saying that no one can be confirmed town after this lynch. I'm just annoyed looking through his filter. Instead of trying to figure anything out or do anything productive when we just got the godfather to flip he just shits up the thread.
But when all else fails, oats goes back to his usual just calling everyone mafia with no reasons:
On June 17 2015 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Yea OK I don't agree with that trfel.
Hey Scott, why aren't you waiting for rel to flip before making a shitty association case? Scum is in scott / kickstart / rux maybe, I remember something made him scummy, gotta check.
On June 17 2015 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah, sorry Scott, that's not actually a case, just observation.
I ddidn't explain my scum reads cause I didn't think it was all that important.
Also I totally forgot about Damdred lol. Damdred mafia.
Also, I never explained a reason for you to be mafia, so it can't be shit. Damdred should just know better than to townhunt rather than scumhunt
After the sulf flip he tries to paint me and damdred as the most likely scum at this point? That is just so retarded it still boggles my mind. I was the first vote on sulf and damdred was the second and oats tries to argue for a long time that neither of us really thought he was scum and our votes mean nothing because we could have bused him. Just ridiculous.
Anyways to shorten this down , oats tries to push on damdred or scott for the next lynch, both of which are confirmed town now. Now look at his current play and of all the people to say are scummy he is trying to push wave or me as being the scummiest???? Get real.
I suggest you all to read his filter. The only thing that ever made me reconsider was his early talking about sulf but then when it counted it amounted to literally nothing. If oats is town here then we just blame the loss on him because his play has been ridiculous. Again, read his filter, the whole thing is bad.
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Of the people remaining wave and trfel are my strongest town reads and going through both of their filters I don't see anything to change this. The fact that oats is pushing me as scummy again and then he says "why are trfel and wave still alive, one of them must be mafia because they are still alive!!!!!!!" makes him even scummier.
Whatever, my money is on oats and rels scum team.
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On June 21 2015 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia.
The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia. I think wave is mafia because he didn't die. I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive. Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time?
Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia.
If you were mafia it could be any number of reasons. I'm not going to answer why you didnt lynch sulf because I directed that question to you really. If you thought he was so scummy, why didn't you vote to lynch him and instead lynch me after going on a 3 post rant about how obviously towny I am but then leaving your vote on me.
Wave looks really townie, if your only argument for a lynch on him is that he is so towny mafia should have killed him therefor you think he is mafia, then I am not buying what you are selling. I am aware there are 2 mafia, and I have consistently said that I think it is you and then rels/ruxxar. Just because I am most certain about you doesn't mean I have lost sight of the fact that there are 2 scum left.............. You are hedging your votes because several times you have said so and so are towny but then voted for them or said so and so are scummy and didnt. I can think of at least 3 instances. Said geript was town, voted him. Said I was town, voted me. Said sulf was scummy, didnt vote him. You spout out town and mafia reads but don't stick to them and don't give good reasons.
Only a few people thought damdred was mafia, and why they did I will never know. I was pretty adamant that he wasn't given the way he was playing was consistent with his town play in my previous game with him and given the day2 events it was very unlikely he was scum. The people who thought he was scummy were playing with their paranoia and not their rationality.
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On June 21 2015 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote: Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats? I had a lot of feels on him mostly. I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments. Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest. Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him.
I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats...
Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on.
Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads.
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It doesn't. If there is a cop or any other role that has info they will come forward now. Now lets all move on and focus on who scum is.
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On June 21 2015 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 11:58 Kickstart wrote:On June 21 2015 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote: Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats? I had a lot of feels on him mostly. I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments. Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest. Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him. I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats... Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on. Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads. This is why I like you for town. I have an odd question for you. If you were here on D2, what do you think you would have done?
Hard for me to say honestly. I mean for most of the game I have been pretty lazy unfortunately. Only thing that got me to sort of care was me about to be mislynched in a situation that would have been extremely bad for town (no information gained) and now we are at a lynch we can't fuck up on. If I had to guess I would have probably pushed on sulf/ruxx at that point as it was before oats ridiculous play/reactions around the sulf lynch so I wouldn't have been as hell bent on him as I am now and I was suspicious of mainly sulf and ruxx that early on.
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On June 21 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Kickstart your case on Oats is pretty solid aside from a couple things: a) Have you ever played with Oats before? b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done?
Also, why is Rels your second scum?
a) Yes but it was a long time ago and he was scum and he died in the first lynch. So I don't really have much to draw from. That game was in late 2012 so yeah. While I find myself annoyed by the same things there are marked differences from when he was scum then, but again the game was very much different so its hard for me to draw valid comparisons. In that game we both immediately got into a fight than neither of us were backing down from so one of us was going to get lynched day1, happened to be him and he happened to be scum. But yeah I don't really have any meta im drawing from no.
b) This question kind of assumes I know how oats plays but I don't know so can't answer this really. This comes down to the too bad to be mafia argument which I truly loathe, the problem is I think oats is bad. So either he is mafia or he is bad, and at this point in the game neither is good for us because we can't afford to myslynch. Given the predicament we are in and the fact that his best guesses at who scum are is you and myself I think he is scum. I mean everything he does and every case he makes is just bad. Like I said if he is town he should really be ashamed of himself this game.
I think rels/ruxxar are most likely to be the last scum after oats. Honestly I just called out rels as more likely atm because he annoyed me with a misrepresentation of my posting. And if anyone knows anything about my play its that this is what pisses me off most. with this post here mainly:
On June 21 2015 08:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. You posted the same thing for scott. Why do you believe it will be different this time ?
I look at it like this. If I look for who I think is most scummy I get to oats. If I go through who is most towny/who has put in the most effort, oats is at the bottom. So to me oats is by far the best lynch for now.
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To expand on the PoE leading to oats. Wave and Trfel have been top town reads the entire game really, for not just myself but everyone really. They have both been strong recently (aside from the suspicion on damdred but we will never know how that would have played out because he got blown up, therefor I don't think it is the best thing to take into account because we can't be sure how it would have played out) and I agree with both of their posts and think they are logical and easy to follow. Sure they could be mafia but I think the chances at this point are so low compared to the other players that they aren't worth lynching. With rels and ruxxar it is harder to say but they have both been very active. The reason their activity doesn't buy them top town reads like it has for wave and trfel is because, at least for me, their thought process and posts haven't been as clear and logical and clearly town motivated. Both are prone to asking more questions than pushing scum reads and they get lost in things that to me are meaningless and unproductive. That said they are both on the noobie list so that is fine, and when they are uinder pressure they have the useful ability of being able to shit town rainbows.
And then you have oats who has done none of the things that has made me feel the others may be town.
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Oats your arguments at the moment are literally 'I am too obviously mafia to be mafia'/'I played so bad I can't be mafia' and 'Wave is so towny mafia should have killed him but he isnt dead so he is mafia'.
Like I said, if you are town, then you are just being terrible. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if at this point in the game you use that argument to defend anyone and the other to accuse anyone of being scum. I mean come on. I'm basically begging you at this point if you are town to fucking show it yet you are content to just say 'im town because if mafia did this they would be so bad' and 'guys wave is mafia because hes so obvious town'. I just don't even know what to say to you at this point aside from you really leave me with no choice but to pin you as scum.
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Oats, with 2 mafia left I am just not willing to lynch wave or trfel first to find out if one of them are the 2. If both of them are then we are fucked anyways as far as I am concerned. Could they be, maybe. But I find them the least likely of the 5 players left not including myself. That leaves you/rels/ruxxar who I have felt were scummy literally ALL GAME. like I been on you for scum forever now. I literally thought ruxxar was scummy day1. And rels was scummy early on as well. MEanwhile wave and trfel have been strong town all game in my opinion.
I just don't agree that lynching into wave or trfel is our best chance at hitting scum. There are 2 left, I have felt 3 players are scummy for most of the game, surely lynching into those 3 is the best chance of hitting scum.
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See, I don't even like the way in which you just townread me.
To me if you are town and I'm pushing you this fucking hard you would never in a million years think "oh he is obviously town because pushing me this hard is obvious scum win condition attempt". You would think "this fucker is scum and this push on me is successful we as town fucking lose".
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No lynch does us no good. They kill me/trfel/wave in the night. Any of those 3 and we are literally in the same position.
Your logic continues to be flawed and bad. I am so sure you are scum at this point.
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Well the trfel/wave as last 2 scum is literally the paranoia world for me. Like the fact that they have both been so towny makes me worried of the possibility but I just don't find it likely.
If you have good reasons for saying they are the scum team now would be the time to give them....
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Don't see why Oats is trying so hard to convince me. Like of all the players to convince that he is town surely I'm like the worst to try and convince.
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Yeah don't like ruxxs posting here either. Very opportunistic way of playing this from him.
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Ruxx, who other than oats do you think is mafia?
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Eh not really. I would have used us as well I think.
Still waiting for ruxx to tell me who is the last scum behind oats. I am tempted to just unvote oats and go onto ruxxar because of what hes doing.
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Lol the fact that he says 'me and kick' instead of 'town' is weird though.
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I figured there would be a cop claim. I was paranoid before I went to sleep earlier that since there was no cop claim from anyone yet that mafia could use it for an easy win. In general I would instantly believe a quick claim that seemed to make sense but Oats really did poorly in waiting so long in the position he was in. Now I have to look at his claimed checks and how he played after them and see if it makes sense.
From what I can remember an Oats cop may make sense. He was pushing on bats so hard day 1 so a check there makes sense, and the fact that after that he doesn't push scum bats ahain from what I can remember. I personally don't think I check on me makes sense after the sulf lynch but I suppose in a position where I am tunneling you really fucking hard you may be inclined to do so. Wave or trfel check dunno.
Thing like this really requires actually reading through the thread and not just his filter; fml. I knew there would be a claim today and I knew it was going to be hard to believe because either side was going to be able to do it, maybe I should have fakeclaimed first D:
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Well a nolynch from a cop actually makes sense. It would save him from getting lynched and he probably wouldnt be killed since everyone wants him dead anyways and it gives him another night to check someone else. Surely you could figure that out Ruxxar ^^.
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Actually, a no lynch right now might be an easy way to tell if his claim is true. If it is true, mafia really have to kill him. I mean they could try to next level us and not kill him but that would be really risky as he could hit the last scum with his check or confirm somebody.
Want to hear everyone elses thoughts on a no lynch to give oats cop (if he is) another check.
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Actually a mafia roleblocker is possible which would just fuck everything. They roleblock him and kill me or something and we have no more info than before and no way to confirm oats. Arghhh I dunno. There must be a way to solve this around oats cop claim D:
Gonna go eat and think about it.
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Yeah I thought about it and as much as it pains me I think the most logical thing has to be to trust Oats claim. I think given his stated checks the way he has played around them is reasonable and this explains some of the recent problems I had with Waves postings. Some things that really threw me off were some of Waves reads recently but I had him as such a town read that I didn't give them the proper thought. The main thing being his hard defense of Rels which I really didn't see as justifiable. But if he is scum and Rels is his buddy then it makes perfect sense. I also had trouble with his Damdred read but obviously some townies got that wrong as well. I suggest people read his filter, especially recently and see what they think and if they come to the same conclusion as I do.
If Oats fakeclaimed I will just never play with him again sigh.
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Rels you are hung up on some pretty dumb things. I said that because at that point in time I chose to believe his claim. I'm really not going to get into a discussion about me being upset at oats and being pissed about his claim because it is neither important nor fruitful. Now I'm pissed at you for caring about something so meaningless when if we get this lynch wrong we fucking lose.
The only thing to decide here is if we believe Oats claim. If his claim is true, wave and rels are the scumteam imo. If oats is lying he is obviously scum and wave is town and then his scumbuddy is in trfel or ruxxar I think, probably ruxxar; though I guess Rels could be his teammate as well, havent given that world much though atm. Biggest issue here is I know I'm town and at this point I will put the idea of Trfel being town above almost everything else (in regards to who else is town or who is mafia) simply based on the current situation. Now I am inclined to believe Oats but it seems Trfel doubts it. Rels also seems to doubt Oats claim but now he is hung up on some real retarded shit leading me to think he is scum as well.
Like I just don't understand Rels questioning of me here. The single most important event that has happened in this game is the Oats claim and it is the ONLY thing that needs to be figured out to decide if this game is won/lost for town and he is asking me retarded questions??? It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. Rels this is so weird/scummy of you I need you to explain.
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Whatever. I tried to see some truth in an Oats cop claim but the way in which he did it and the universal scuminess of his play this game just leaves little room for a cop claim at such a bad time to make me believe him. If he was indeed cop he should have done it much sooner. I had anticipated that a fake claim was quite possible since if it works and people believe the fakeclaimer it is an auto-win for scum. Problem is if Oats claim is true it is also an autoloss for town. I have thought Oats was scummy all game, and while this is a really bad way to play, if he is actually cop and we lose because people don't believe him I am fine just putting the blame on him for playing so shit when he was town =].
Vote remains on Oats and he dies.
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Like Rels analysis of Oats is okish but then his thought that me and Oats could in any world be a scumteam in this game is just ludicrous and I don't know what to think of it.
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Yeah rels is either mafia or retarded and I don't think hes retarded.
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I'm like so sure Rels is mafia I'm tempted to drop the Oats copclaim and lynch him.
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K so we got 2 retards. Literally been fighting with oats all game and trying to lynch hi mand have him set to lynched now and they both think its a me and oats scumteam? And both seem to be oblivious to the fact that if oats is in fact town and he is telling the truth then we just lost already, but in light of that fact they would rather get me riled up than try and figure out the oats claim.
@Rels I explained my fucking problems with him in that very post. His HARD defense of you and to a lesser extend his Damdred read. Both of which were are completely illogical.
Rels is scum here.
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AGain you are focusing on the completely wrong things Rels; I just don't get it. The wave read is completely secondary to the Oats claim.
THE ENTIRE GAME IS DECIDED BY WHETHER OR NOT WE BELEIVE OATS CLAIM. WAVE BEING TOWN OR SCUM RELIES ON IF OATS IS TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT. ME THINKING OATS COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH AND HAVING ISSUES WITH WAVES POSTINGS KIND OF VALIDATES HIS CLAIM.
It really isn't that hard to understand. And again you are being ridiculous with questioning me when the entire game is decided by how we handle oats claim right now. You do realize town has to get this lynch right and hit scum or we automatically lose right? You seem to be just ignoring that fact and focusing on shit that doesn't matter.
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It is true until he flips. Literally in no world is a me/sulf/oats scumteam even remotely viable given how I interacted with them this game. The fact that you and ruxxar think that is the most likely setup is ridiculous.
But whatever, I think Oats is scum too so my vote stays there and I go to sleep now. But if Oats does flip scum and we continue on you really made yourself look awfully scummy today. Though ruXxar didn't do himself any favors either.
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Percentages don't matter. I'm fairly certain you are mafia with Oats.
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How do you know we have all that time to discuss is unless you are teamed with Oats and just bussed him. Convenient that you are the very last vote on him aside from Trfel.
Good night scum.
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The fact that you think our interaction is just between me and you and that I'm not taking into account the rest of the players is weird to.
You bitch at me to answer your meaningless questions then when I explain to you
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*******shit fucked up and posted too early******
...why your questions are meaningless and answer them anyways you complain that I am trying to convince you??? Yeah that makes no sense.
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And what in the fuck have I tried to convince you of. Other than me telling you how retarded your idea of a sulf/oats/me scumteam is I haven't been trying to convince you of anything. And me telling you how stupid that scum team idea is is really addressed to everyone anyways. But I'm done with this meaningless shit and going to sleep.
For future games though. Bussing your teammate as late as possible when you don't have a choice anymore and then picking a fight by creating the most retarded scumteam ever is not how you go for the win.
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The fact that wave has rels as 100% town and is ride or die on it concerns me. But whatever I'm pissed off now and going to bed.
Rels if you really think I'm scum with sulf+oats after how I interacted with them this game I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and that that is ridiculous.
But before I read more shit that makes me want to rage at any of you anymore I'm going to sleep~
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Again you are being retarded. Me saying that that scum team is impossible is pretty much directed at everyone. It's so outlandish and stupid I just have to point it out. But if you are going to bank on a scum team that outlandish I shouldn't try to convince you of anything because you are clearly not capable of thinking rationally if you think I am scum with a sulf and oats team after the way I interacted with them.
Again you are being really bad or scummy. Actually either way you are being bad, I just don't know if being dumb town or dumb scum.
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For someone who is nitpicking everything I say you clearly haven't been following my train of thought. Yes, if oats is cop then I believe that the scum team is automatically wave and yourself. I already pointed that out earlier. So your "oh now you beleive" bullshit isnt going to work like im flipping shit around and making it up cause I said this already earlier.
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Well aside from the 1 scum who is obviously bussing oats (rels) the 4 town seem to all agree that Oats is scummy.
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How many times do I have to explain to you how it works. If Oats is cop then wave is clearly mafia. The fact that I have given a oats scum or wave scum read is because I wasn't sure of the claim. You aren't thinking before you ask these questions.
Me trying to figure out which world is more likely (oats actually being cop or oats fakeclaiming) is not really changing my read. I may swing from one side or the other depending on whether or not I believe his claim at that point in time, but the reads come from that. I find it amazing that you find my uncertainty about the claim to be a scum thing.... like what.
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It makes perfect sense. Anyone giving you a 100% town read and ride or dying on it is fucking weird. Doesn't matter who the scum team is the fact that someone would do that is fucking weird.
I have not once contradicted myself. You are distorting and misrepresenting what I have said, and those who do that tend to be mafia. But like I said, you bussed your teammate and now you are trying to paint me in a bad light so you get a mislynch on me in the next cycle. Too bad you are so obvious about it.
Good night refuse to refresh the page.
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God I just don't know. If it is a wave+trfel scumteam I think we fucking lost anyways as we have to get both lynches in a row correct and I don't see lynching both of them in 2 day periods being a thing. Lynching a town in either of the next 2 lynches and we lose the game immediately. That said I am really torn on whether I believe Oats claim or not and still not sure which decision to make.
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I'm with you Rels on the wave+trfel point. If they are the scumteam then they played it too well for us to lynch them both in the next 2 lynches. I don't think they are. I mean Oats could be telling the truth and wave is scum but then I don't think his partner is trfel. If it is then we fucking lost anyways so whatever.
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And I know this is a terrible fucking way to play and a complete non-reason as far as logic goes, but I would rather lose to anyone than a scum oats here. So meh.
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Lets assume Oats fakeclaimed and is scum. Is it useful to think about what his optimal check-claims should be or is that too WIFOM. A part of me thinks a scum who is going to fakeclaim just claims his partner is a redcheck. That way whichever one town believes the other automatically has the town cred to ride to victory. But then I'm not sure because assuming we believed the check and the cop didn't just automatically die the next night to the last mafia I would immediatly think the cop lied. Actually it is too WIFOM to even worry about really. And if he were going to go for that play I think he would just fake redcheck a townie so that if we do believe him then he straight up wins, and his partner can try to subtly switch to the townie with him (Rels switching onto wave when he doesn't like Trfels analysis anyone????).
I think it is best to just stick on oats.
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Meeeeh. Well played wave and trfel. Funny that oats wasn't cop or scum. lololol
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Well most of the newbies did really well this game, props to them. Most played better than a lot of the non-newbies, myself included. So very well done to them!
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Ill probably be online but I'm bad and was like afk playing this game so wouldn't have that great analysis or anything. But holler if you like need more people and have to settle for a baddie like myself~
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