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Here is a good case. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: OK I finally found a mafia. First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. | ||
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On June 12 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote: I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced? No you're right I thought you said my post was forced. | ||
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On June 12 2015 22:05 n00bKing wrote: I don't think that's a post you want to be agreeing with. We should not disparage the idea of posts that give advice, most especially in a Newbie game. I certainly hope that the other Town players will give me some good advice, at some point in the game. And if they aren't scumhunting in that same moment, it won't make good advice any less good. Kickstart has said (and then re-emphasized) that: "the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum." Firstly, I'm not sure I agree with him. If I could only look Town or find Scum, I would probably rather find Scum. If I then get mislynched (because I didn't convince enough people that I was Town) then the work I did finding Scum could still get that player lynched soon afterward. But what's more relevant to this conversation is: IF looking Town is more important than finding Scum, then how does one show themselves to be Town WITHOUT scumhunting? Well, one good way is definitely "by giving helpful advice." This was explained before you got here. If you read the whole thread before you post, then you won't end up clogging the pages with questions that were already answered. There's some "advice" for you.  Cool. I suppose the explanation you're talking about is this one. On June 12 2015 14:40 n00bKing wrote: It's productive for Town for you to defend him, IF he is also Town. We can expect that at some point a few of the Newbies will need help with defending themselves (I could easily end up being one of them). And no, that shouldn't be your primary focus, but we all have a responsibility to try and prevent a mislynch when possible. Two posts later is when you told us all about repetition of danger. Was that productive for the Town? Side note: I don't know if there are any female players in the game, so if I refer to a "her" as a "him" please correct me. I feel that you're spending a lot of times giving "advices" and defending people. That's it. | ||
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On June 12 2015 22:16 n00bKing wrote: Saying "don't claim your role" is far too much of an overgeneralization. It doesn't account for the player's role, and it doesn't account for timing. And there's at least 1 Town role in this setup that I think should probably claim, and should probably do so early in the game. I am also not sure it's wise to be telling Newbies to find only one player they think is Mafia. You're not always going to be able to convince people that your target is a good lynch. Having a secondary target could help you inspire people to make a lynch that would also be good. Having two suspects doesn't always mean you're relying on unflipped associations. Looking for more than one target helps a player keep an open mind. Rules 2 and 3 of batsnacks' advice are basically "a guide on how to tunnel." Again, there's nothing wrong with giving advice. But I think his advice is bad. OK I agree his guide is over simplified. (= | ||
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- you should let newbies defend themselves, espacially early day 1. - your only scumread is based on a bad case. batsnacks hasn't done anything townie this game, but his deflection of your case is spot on. | ||
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So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? | ||
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scott - I hated the only post of your predecessor, so I will probably push you super easily. Your posts atm are alright. On June 13 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote: ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why. Hard to be re-evaluating when not present. On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote: [...] Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? [...] Don't know really, I just felt like this post would be super hard to fake. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Rels 1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler + 1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.OK I finally found a mafia. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler + Fake)Plants only had one post. Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote: Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote: So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? I have strong town reads on wos and KS. I have town reads on ruxxar, oats and trfel. I really want to like Sulfu as he had the same attitude of "not posting a lot but ask question" last game, and he was town. But I think he has less than 5 posts atm, that's really not a lot. Everybody I have not talk about I have either no read or mafia lean. It's especially hard on the moosy - geript - bats situation. I don't like moosy for : - his first post - his multiple times stating he is a newbie But geript's reasoning for voting him is super bad. And batsnacks' one is so weird, involving double bus at one point. Well. Here is my brain atm. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote: Why haven't you been asking questions to try and get reads on the people you are unsure of? How was Fake)Plants possibly not an easy target? Cause the one I wanted to ask to moosy was asked by noobking, waiting for answer now. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:31 batsnacks wrote: Rels why do you keep putting me, moose and geript together? What even is the "moosy - geript - bats situation"??? Cause in my head at least one of you has to be mafia. Because I was suspecting moosy lightly, but the two people voting for him are doing so for reasons I don't agree with. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote: What about the second question? "How was Fake)Plants possibly not an easy target?" I'd really like an answer, please. No idea how to answer that one. For me his post was the scummiest at the time I entered the thread. I was happy to find someone : - entering the thread late - with an excuse - with fluff I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything? I read and posted as I found interesting posts. | ||
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On June 05 2015 09:25 Onegu wrote: Time Cycle: This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes or night actions up to and including the deadline will count. One minute after the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the night post is posted. The deadline for each cycle will be 23:00 GMT (+00:00). So ... no. | ||
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I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First point You don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second point I find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote: Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement. Alright. Will look through your posts before doing that! | ||
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