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On June 22 2015 18:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Think about it, if I'm mafia, why don't I just post seals and rely on my teammate winning? You guys have no idea who the other mafia is, if I'm mafia and I post seals. Stop using WIFOM to explain your behavious. | ||
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On June 22 2015 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm mafia and I fakeclaim cop, now my partner has to take a side and correctly read town sentiment for a pretty damn low chance at winning the game right here. And if we get it wrong, we lose. It just makes 0 sense. Sure the gain is that mafia win, but it's a really awkward fake claim to make. You're right, your partner must have tried to influence town sentiment ... On June 22 2015 09:13 Kickstart wrote: I figured there would be a cop claim. I was paranoid before I went to sleep earlier that since there was no cop claim from anyone yet that mafia could use it for an easy win. In general I would instantly believe a quick claim that seemed to make sense but Oats really did poorly in waiting so long in the position he was in. Now I have to look at his claimed checks and how he played after them and see if it makes sense. From what I can remember an Oats cop may make sense. He was pushing on bats so hard day 1 so a check there makes sense, and the fact that after that he doesn't push scum bats ahain from what I can remember. I personally don't think I check on me makes sense after the sulf lynch but I suppose in a position where I am tunneling you really fucking hard you may be inclined to do so. Wave or trfel check dunno. Thing like this really requires actually reading through the thread and not just his filter; fml. I knew there would be a claim today and I knew it was going to be hard to believe because either side was going to be able to do it, maybe I should have fakeclaimed first D: On June 22 2015 09:14 Kickstart wrote: Well a nolynch from a cop actually makes sense. It would save him from getting lynched and he probably wouldnt be killed since everyone wants him dead anyways and it gives him another night to check someone else. Surely you could figure that out Ruxxar ^^. On June 22 2015 09:16 Kickstart wrote: Actually, a no lynch right now might be an easy way to tell if his claim is true. If it is true, mafia really have to kill him. I mean they could try to next level us and not kill him but that would be really risky as he could hit the last scum with his check or confirm somebody. Want to hear everyone elses thoughts on a no lynch to give oats cop (if he is) another check. On June 22 2015 09:20 Kickstart wrote: Actually a mafia roleblocker is possible which would just fuck everything. They roleblock him and kill me or something and we have no more info than before and no way to confirm oats. Arghhh I dunno. There must be a way to solve this around oats cop claim D: Gonna go eat and think about it. On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I thought about it and as much as it pains me I think the most logical thing has to be to trust Oats claim. I think given his stated checks the way he has played around them is reasonable and this explains some of the recent problems I had with Waves postings. Some things that really threw me off were some of Waves reads recently but I had him as such a town read that I didn't give them the proper thought. The main thing being his hard defense of Rels which I really didn't see as justifiable. But if he is scum and Rels is his buddy then it makes perfect sense. I also had trouble with his Damdred read but obviously some townies got that wrong as well. I suggest people read his filter, especially recently and see what they think and if they come to the same conclusion as I do. If Oats fakeclaimed I will just never play with him again sigh. | ||
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On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: I think given his stated checks the way he has played around them is reasonable and this explains some of the recent problems I had with Waves postings. Some things that really threw me off were some of Waves reads recently but I had him as such a town read that I didn't give them the proper thought. The main thing being his hard defense of Rels which I really didn't see as justifiable. But if he is scum and Rels is his buddy then it makes perfect sense. I also had trouble with his Damdred read but obviously some townies got that wrong as well. @Kickstart: what is your "recent problems" you had with Wave's posting ? Is it only his hard defense of me ? Or is there something else ? Please expand. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol how about we deal with today first huh rels. OK. See you in 12 hours for deadline then. We'll talk about Kickstart and others without you. | ||
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Like yes, I'm scumreading you, but things can change between now and EOD5. So please have a conversation with me. On June 22 2015 19:06 Rels wrote: @Kickstart: what is your "recent problems" you had with Wave's posting ? Is it only his hard defense of me ? Or is there something else ? Please expand. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:29 Kickstart wrote: @Rels I explained my fucking problems with him in that very post. His HARD defense of you and to a lesser extend his Damdred read. Both of which were are completely illogical. OK so that was really all your explanations. Seems super light to me to completely reverse your read of WOS. | ||
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On June 22 2015 17:42 Kickstart wrote: It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. On June 22 2015 19:22 Kickstart wrote: I'm like so sure Rels is mafia I'm tempted to drop the Oats copclaim and lynch him. OK | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:21 Kickstart wrote: Yeah rels is either mafia or retarded and I don't think hes retarded. On June 22 2015 19:29 Kickstart wrote: K so we got 2 retards. [...] Rels is scum here. So am I retard or mafia. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:29 Kickstart wrote: And both seem to be oblivious to the fact that if oats is in fact town and he is telling the truth then we just lost already, but in light of that fact they would rather get me riled up than try and figure out the oats claim. Can't speak for ruxxar, but that's not true for me. I started the day by analyzing Oats. Now that I'm sure he's mafia, I can talk about something else, as my read of him won't change. | ||
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On June 22 2015 17:42 Kickstart wrote: It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. On June 22 2015 19:22 Kickstart wrote: I'm like so sure Rels is mafia I'm tempted to drop the Oats copclaim and lynch him. On June 22 2015 19:29 Kickstart wrote: And both seem to be oblivious to the fact that if oats is in fact town and he is telling the truth then we just lost already, but in light of that fact they would rather get me riled up than try and figure out the oats claim. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:35 Kickstart wrote: AGain you are focusing on the completely wrong things Rels; I just don't get it. The wave read is completely secondary to the Oats claim. THE ENTIRE GAME IS DECIDED BY WHETHER OR NOT WE BELEIVE OATS CLAIM. WAVE BEING TOWN OR SCUM RELIES ON IF OATS IS TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT. ME THINKING OATS COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH AND HAVING ISSUES WITH WAVES POSTINGS KIND OF VALIDATES HIS CLAIM. It really isn't that hard to understand. And again you are being ridiculous with questioning me when the entire game is decided by how we handle oats claim right now. You do realize town has to get this lynch right and hit scum or we automatically lose right? You seem to be just ignoring that fact and focusing on shit that doesn't matter. You're right. But as I said, my mind is closed about Oats. I analyzed his lies and agrees with Trfel's analysis. So your "I should be focused on Oats" is not true anymore. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:35 Kickstart wrote: AGain you are focusing on the completely wrong things Rels; I just don't get it. The wave read is completely secondary to the Oats claim. THE ENTIRE GAME IS DECIDED BY WHETHER OR NOT WE BELEIVE OATS CLAIM. WAVE BEING TOWN OR SCUM RELIES ON IF OATS IS TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT. ME THINKING OATS COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH AND HAVING ISSUES WITH WAVES POSTINGS KIND OF VALIDATES HIS CLAIM. It really isn't that hard to understand. And again you are being ridiculous with questioning me when the entire game is decided by how we handle oats claim right now. You do realize town has to get this lynch right and hit scum or we automatically lose right? You seem to be just ignoring that fact and focusing on shit that doesn't matter. Don't know why you are trying so hard to make me understand when you are convinced I'm mafia. Do you not really think I'm mafia ? How much percent do you believe it ? 50% ? 100% ? | ||
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But as you said, we have all N4 and D5 to discuss that. So have a good night (= | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:42 Kickstart wrote: How do you know we have all that time to discuss is unless you are teamed with Oats and just bussed him. Convenient that you are the very last vote on him aside from Trfel. Good night scum. Funny you say that, 'cause before Trfel came you seemed like you wanted to change your mind. Only after his analysis and my post about lies did your keep your vote straight. Maybe the reason I wans't here was that I was sleeping, and I asked a question to Oats before I went to sleep ? Anyway, On June 22 2015 19:42 Kickstart wrote: Good night scum. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:47 Kickstart wrote: Bussing your teammate as late as possible when you don't have a choice anymore and then picking a fight by creating the most retarded scumteam ever is not how you go for the win. Another funny thing to say, as I posted this one hour after Oats' claim: On June 21 2015 18:50 Rels wrote: 1st thing That's not true. Here is your ONLY post mentioning Kickstart day 3. So you weren't semi scum reading him day 3. 2nd thing Plus you didn't just do one post one attacking him. You really attacked him and WOS hard. Nonsense for your supposed greencheck. Here are your psots attacking him: + Show Spoiler + Night 3: On June 21 2015 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Why wouldn't I vote for sulph if I'm mafia? To make this argument is the wrong answer btw. Also I changed my Mind about Kickstart as you can see later. Day 3: On June 21 2015 09:13 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote: Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see. On June 21 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote: Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~ On June 21 2015 01:17 Kickstart wrote: Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad. On June 20 2015 07:30 Kickstart wrote: zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3. Yep, have to get the next one right boys. On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 19 2015 04:56 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different. On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1  ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).On June 19 2015 03:49 Kickstart wrote: Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today. On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. In the past 2 pages of his filter, kickstart has posted like 12 posts telling people to lynch me. That seems like more than usual paranoia. especially since hes wrong. ##vote kickstart Also all his arguments are really bad and basically hinge on him not liking the way I play, rather than any real reasons why Im mafia. On June 21 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: So I doubt bats was a hatter snipe. Wave is more scummy than kickstart though. Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case. Life sucks. Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons. Can I preempt his omgus? On June 21 2015 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia. The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia. I think wave is mafia because he didn't die. I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive. Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time? Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia. On June 21 2015 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Man do I really have to pos. "oh iI think bats is town. ? Isn't obvious when I vote that I think a certain person is townier or scummier??? I voted for kickstart because I thought trfels case was good and I have been burned a lotta times by afk townies, aka damdred. You know, when someone says someone else is scummy it doesn't mean that he is the scummiest. I thought I made it pretty damn obvious by my voting that it was the person I thought was the scummiest. On June 21 2015 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm not looking for the best chance to lynch scum. I'm looking for scum. Why don't we nolynch here so you can prove me wrong Kickstarter? 3rd thing It makes no sense that you didn't claim right after night ended. WOS is the most town read guy here and your arguments are shit, no there is no way you believed yuo could convince people to vote him. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:47 Kickstart wrote: And what in the fuck have I tried to convince you of. On June 22 2015 19:49 Kickstart wrote: Rels if you really think I'm scum with sulf+oats after how I interacted with them this game I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and that that is ridiculous. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:49 Kickstart wrote: The fact that wave has rels as 100% town and is ride or die on it concerns me. Don't understand this sentence. So you now believe that the mafia team is WOS + me ? | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:54 Kickstart wrote: Me saying that that scum team is impossible is pretty much directed at everyone. But my name is the first word so that is false. It's directed at me. On June 22 2015 19:49 Kickstart wrote: Rels if you really think I'm scum with sulf+oats after how I interacted with them this game I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and that that is ridiculous. And you didn't answer this question. On June 22 2015 19:52 Rels wrote: Don't understand this sentence. So you now believe that the mafia team is WOS + me ? | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:56 Kickstart wrote: For someone who is nitpicking everything I say you clearly haven't been following my train of thought. Yes, if oats is cop then I believe that the scum team is automatically wave and yourself. I already pointed that out earlier. So your "oh now you beleive" bullshit isnt going to work like im flipping shit around and making it up cause I said this already earlier. Yes I have the feeling your changing your reads too easily. So. NOW, do you believe Oats is cop or mafia ? Do you believe WOS is VT or mafia ? | ||
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