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On June 21 2015 08:35 ruXxar wrote: So do you still want to lynch me? On June 21 2015 06:51 Rels wrote: The thought is valid but wifom. I loved the way you answered these questions BTW. A mafia has to fabricate reads, so changing them is difficult. You explaining how you changed your read on the sulfu / me situation make me think you're really town. | ||
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Anyway good night pals. Won't be around much tomorrow )= will have much more time Monday. | ||
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Two things I thought when reading the thread: - Trfel's big post of me contains things that are all true, so no distorsion of reality. But Trfel, if you think I'm not very commited to my reads, what do you think of ruxxar ? - Oatsmaster has now attacked everyone to defend himself ... To quote a WOS post without looking for it, he's "throwing mud everywhere to see where it sticks". If deadline was now my vote would be on him. | ||
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It makes little sense that you checked on wos n3 when you were so concerned with damdred all game and especially d3. | ||
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On June 21 2015 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause it would be super weird for me to suddenly town read someone I've kinda semi scum read the whole game. That's not true. Here is your ONLY post mentioning Kickstart day 3. On June 19 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave I forgot I posted that post when you didnt answer. And cause everyone wants to lynch scott, which I am completely ok with. Kickstart is just scumreading me to be a dick right now lol. So you weren't semi scum reading him day 3. 2nd thing Plus you didn't just do one post one attacking him. You really attacked him and WOS hard. Nonsense for your supposed greencheck. Here are your psots attacking him: + Show Spoiler + Night 3: On June 21 2015 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Why wouldn't I vote for sulph if I'm mafia? To make this argument is the wrong answer btw. Also I changed my Mind about Kickstart as you can see later. Day 3: On June 21 2015 09:13 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote: Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see. On June 21 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote: Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~ On June 21 2015 01:17 Kickstart wrote: Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad. On June 20 2015 07:30 Kickstart wrote: zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3. Yep, have to get the next one right boys. On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 19 2015 04:56 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different. On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1  ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).On June 19 2015 03:49 Kickstart wrote: Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today. On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. In the past 2 pages of his filter, kickstart has posted like 12 posts telling people to lynch me. That seems like more than usual paranoia. especially since hes wrong. ##vote kickstart Also all his arguments are really bad and basically hinge on him not liking the way I play, rather than any real reasons why Im mafia. On June 21 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: So I doubt bats was a hatter snipe. Wave is more scummy than kickstart though. Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case. Life sucks. Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons. Can I preempt his omgus? On June 21 2015 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia. The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia. I think wave is mafia because he didn't die. I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive. Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time? Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia. On June 21 2015 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Man do I really have to pos. "oh iI think bats is town. ? Isn't obvious when I vote that I think a certain person is townier or scummier??? I voted for kickstart because I thought trfels case was good and I have been burned a lotta times by afk townies, aka damdred. You know, when someone says someone else is scummy it doesn't mean that he is the scummiest. I thought I made it pretty damn obvious by my voting that it was the person I thought was the scummiest. On June 21 2015 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm not looking for the best chance to lynch scum. I'm looking for scum. Why don't we nolynch here so you can prove me wrong Kickstarter? 3rd thing It makes no sense that you didn't claim right after night ended. WOS is the most town read guy here and your arguments are shit, no there is no way you believed yuo could convince people to vote him. | ||
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On June 21 2015 07:23 Kickstart wrote: What role did sulf flip. OP is not updated with flips so I don't remember if he was a regular goon or a special role. Rly wanted to see if he was godfather cause with a godfather we probably have a cop I would think. (but then we had 2 blue flips already so I dunno). Again, I am shit at setup speculation but I thought sulf was godfather iirc and that should mean we have a cop??? As I think doctor and mad hatter roles aren't considered very powerful in list of possible blue roles. Anyways I'm not a role but I again will say now is the time to come out with info if there is any. This is Kickstart's post 20 minutes after the start of this current day. You should have claimed right here if you were a real cop. | ||
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On June 21 2015 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude it wasn't a trap, it was to see if anyone would go on it. And to not slip that I'm cop. Cause it would be super weird for me to suddenly town read someone I've kinda semi scum read the whole game. Seriously you pushed kick start hard d2 and never mentioned him d3. That is very consistent with you checking him green actually. So why do you say you didn't want to be very suspicious swapping your read of him ? That is EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID | ||
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On June 21 2015 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause it would be super weird for me to suddenly town read someone I've kinda semi scum read the whole game. That is exactly what you did day 3 to kickstart. | ||
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On June 22 2015 00:33 ruXxar wrote: I have to agree with the point oats is making here. If he was fake claiming cop, why wouldn't he say that he red checked me or rels? It would be such an easy win for the mafia. So, will you switch vote to wos? | ||
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Oats, I'm not believing your claim right now. But ... it makes a little bit more sense than I thought. You didn't attack batsnacks during D2. You ignored Kickstart during D3. So. Please show me a previous game of yours where you do something like that. If it exists, show me a game where you are a cop and you did one of the following: - you didn't claim a redcheck, but tried to attack him with arguments - you didn't breadcrumb - you attacked a greencheck to throw off mafia members | ||
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Another thing. The timing of his relation with Kickstart doesn't make sense. Here is what happened chronogically: 1 Oats start scumreading Kickstart D2H39. Note that he defended him pretty hard all day before that post. On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia. It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though. 2 Oats ignored completely Kickstart day 3. Only post about Kickstart all D3: On June 19 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave I forgot I posted that post when you didnt answer. And cause everyone wants to lynch scott, which I am completely ok with. Kickstart is just scumreading me to be a dick right now lol. 3 THEN he attacked Kickstart starting N3. Here are the posts: + Show Spoiler + Night 3: On June 21 2015 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Why wouldn't I vote for sulph if I'm mafia? To make this argument is the wrong answer btw. Also I changed my Mind about Kickstart as you can see later. Day 3: On June 21 2015 09:13 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote: Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see. On June 21 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote: Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~ On June 21 2015 01:17 Kickstart wrote: Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad. On June 20 2015 07:30 Kickstart wrote: zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3. Yep, have to get the next one right boys. On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 19 2015 04:56 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different. On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1 ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).On June 19 2015 03:49 Kickstart wrote: Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today. On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. In the past 2 pages of his filter, kickstart has posted like 12 posts telling people to lynch me. That seems like more than usual paranoia. especially since hes wrong. ##vote kickstart Also all his arguments are really bad and basically hinge on him not liking the way I play, rather than any real reasons why Im mafia. On June 21 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: So I doubt bats was a hatter snipe. Wave is more scummy than kickstart though. Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case. Life sucks. Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons. Can I preempt his omgus? On June 21 2015 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia. The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia. I think wave is mafia because he didn't die. I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive. Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time? Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia. On June 21 2015 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Man do I really have to pos. "oh iI think bats is town. ? Isn't obvious when I vote that I think a certain person is townier or scummier??? I voted for kickstart because I thought trfels case was good and I have been burned a lotta times by afk townies, aka damdred. You know, when someone says someone else is scummy it doesn't mean that he is the scummiest. I thought I made it pretty damn obvious by my voting that it was the person I thought was the scummiest. On June 21 2015 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm not looking for the best chance to lynch scum. I'm looking for scum. Why don't we nolynch here so you can prove me wrong Kickstarter? 4 Finally, he said he attacked Kickstart, whom he presumably greenchecked. First he explained that was to get reaction from other people: On June 21 2015 17:47 Oatsmaster wrote: And, the "attack" on kickstart was for reactions from other people. I retracted like 30 minutes later. Its totally a strawman. 5 One hour later, to the same question "why did you attack you greencheck", he says it was not really to get reactions to other people, but so mafia don't find out he was a cop: On June 21 2015 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude it wasn't a trap, it was to see if anyone would go on it. And to not slip that I'm cop. Cause it would be super weird for me to suddenly town read someone I've kinda semi scum read the whole game. So we have two lies in here: First lie Oats said on D4H10 that he attacked Kickstart to get reactions from other people. On June 21 2015 17:47 Oatsmaster wrote: And, the "attack" on kickstart was for reactions from other people. Oats said on D4H11 that he didn't really attack Kickstart to get reactions from other people, but to be less suspicious. On June 21 2015 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude it wasn't a trap, it was to see if anyone would go on it. And to not slip that I'm cop. Cause it would be super weird for me to suddenly town read someone I've kinda semi scum read the whole game. The fact that Oats don't answer to the same question with the same answers pretty much means these explanations are fabricated. Second lie Oats said he attacked Kickstart so it wouldn't be weird for him to suddenly town read someone he's kinda scumread before. Except that is exactly what he did D3: even though he voted for him D2, he completely ignored him D3, and the only post mentioning him can be read as a townread: On June 19 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart is just scumreading me to be a dick right now lol. Conclusion Oats is mafia. | ||
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I would vote that if I was thinking that Oats is cop but not really sure. As I think Oats is mafia, I think no lynch is a bad idea. OK with: - Trfel's setup analysis - Trfel's Oats' filter analysis - Oats lies My vote is on Oats. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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- Oats' weird relation with Kickstart: hard defended him most of D2, ignored him D3, attacked, then greenchecked him D4. - The previous cases may be still valid. Will have to check. - His last few posts tried to get people to believe Oats is a cop and no lynch. It's consistent with him being Oats' partner. In particular this post: On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: If Oats fakeclaimed I will just never play with him again sigh. What ??? If Oats fakeclaims it means he's mafia so it's a good play ... This post feels so bad to me. This comment seems to do two mafia things to me: - create even more of a thread sentiment that Oats is mafia - if he's wrong and Oats is mafia, Kickstart has an excuse: "I didn't really believe him, look I said I wasn't going to play with him again if he fakeclaims ..." In short, this post in addition to the few one just before seems to me like a good way to not explain his stances and look alright whatever the outcome is. @Kickstart can you explain this sentence ? On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: If Oats fakeclaimed I will just never play with him again sigh. | ||
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On June 22 2015 17:42 Kickstart wrote: Rels you are hung up on some pretty dumb things. I said that because at that point in time I chose to believe his claim. I'm really not going to get into a discussion about me being upset at oats and being pissed about his claim because it is neither important nor fruitful. Now I'm pissed at you for caring about something so meaningless when if we get this lynch wrong we fucking lose. The only thing to decide here is if we believe Oats claim. If his claim is true, wave and rels are the scumteam imo. If oats is lying he is obviously scum and wave is town and then his scumbuddy is in trfel or ruxxar I think, probably ruxxar; though I guess Rels could be his teammate as well, havent given that world much though atm. Biggest issue here is I know I'm town and at this point I will put the idea of Trfel being town above almost everything else (in regards to who else is town or who is mafia) simply based on the current situation. Now I am inclined to believe Oats but it seems Trfel doubts it. Rels also seems to doubt Oats claim but now he is hung up on some real retarded shit leading me to think he is scum as well. Like I just don't understand Rels questioning of me here. The single most important event that has happened in this game is the Oats claim and it is the ONLY thing that needs to be figured out to decide if this game is won/lost for town and he is asking me retarded questions??? It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. Rels this is so weird/scummy of you I need you to explain. That's two times now I've asked you a question, and you didn't answer and instead got angry. Anyway, we're apparently lynching Oats today. As you say, let's focus on that today. I won't forget it; we'll talk next day. | ||
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On June 22 2015 17:42 Kickstart wrote: Like I just don't understand Rels questioning of me here. The single most important event that has happened in this game is the Oats claim and it is the ONLY thing that needs to be figured out to decide if this game is won/lost for town and he is asking me retarded questions??? It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. Rels this is so weird/scummy of you I need you to explain. So we should only decide if either Oats or WOS is lying right ? Exactly what you did here 5 hours ago right ? On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: The main thing being his hard defense of Rels which I really didn't see as justifiable. But if he is scum and Rels is his buddy then it makes perfect sense. Plus, my questioning is perfectly justified. You seem soooo sorry to believe Oats' claim it is super suspicious. On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I thought about it and as much as it pains me I think the most logical thing has to be to trust Oats claim. [...] If Oats fakeclaimed I will just never play with him again sigh. You're usually pretty clear and cut, so why the excuse and the justification here ? | ||
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On June 22 2015 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Rels why aren't don't you seem to have any problems at all with lynching me and losing the game? 'cause I think you're mafia. You can explain your actions all you want, I believe your explanations are false and the better explanation is that you're mafia. Plus, there is something you can't explain, even if in the eventuality you're town: setup analysis. All behavioural analysis aside, it's super weird that you would be cop in this setup. And why do you try to convince me when you just said I slip and I am the second mafia ... You really attacked everyone today. Throwing mud, etc. | ||
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On June 22 2015 18:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave has like 5 posts since I claimed. I have like 20 but he's town and I'm mafia? Come on guys, please think properly about this. I am not playing you. Think about it, if I'm mafia, why don't I just post seals and rely on my teammate winning? You guys have no idea who the other mafia is, if I'm mafia and I post seals. Yeah you really did nothing all game, and only posted when you were under suspicion. Good point. | ||
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