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On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:
So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?
Rels - this question is for you too -
On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list.
If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list.
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On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Relsgeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me  and geript seems to be the lynch. Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone Rels - So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=SulfurusSulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well? @scott: Why did you ask me that question ? Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well? It was an association read question from filter diving - Your name was no where to be found. Does that make sense? How do you feel about Trfel at this time, BTW?
Not really. Because I almost never mention Trfel I would like to lynch him ?
Trfel is one of my top town.
On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?
Nawh, Damdred never AFK'ed for extended periods of time in Guardians he was always around within a reasonable time.
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OK that is weird. May switch to Damdred.
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On June 20 2015 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:17 Rels wrote:On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:
So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?
Rels - this question is for you too - On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list: On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list. If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list. Why ruxxar and not Oats?
My POE list is:
scott
Oats
Damdred
ruxxar
The people voting on my easy train at the start of day 2 are:
batsnacks
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Kickstart
Trfel
There are the same people on the easy scott train too, minus scott and plus Oats.
I think there is at least one mafia on these two easy trains, so I crossed the lists to obtain this one:
scott
Damdred
ruxxar
By the way WOS, you not being on those two easy trains mean you're my top top town.
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@Scott
Woud like to know the answer to that too.
On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry.
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OK it's a baby shovel. Not seeing the seal though.
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I have to go for a few hours very soon so I hope scott answers to this before I need to go.
On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry.
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OK I have to go so I will explain why I don't like this at all.
On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
First - that is not true, scott played as newbie and town in newbie IX, so he had had a coach as town.
So, why would scott lie about it ?
If he's town, that's because ... *here someone else fill because I have nothing*
If he's mafia, that's because it is an easy way to:
- say he's playing badly so anything weird we find in his play should be excused.
- try to appeal to our emotional side like this: "oooooo poor fellow, never had a coach as town ...."
Anyway that's a lie, and a lie I find hard to explain from a town perspective. Maybe as he was lynched day 1 as town, he didn't have lots of time to interact with his coach ...
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On June 20 2015 00:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:@Scott Woud like to know the answer to that too. On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry. I replaced into Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 and Half the Sky carried us into that game - I posted a case and the town had no clue who to vote and GG'ed it out - flawless Newbie Student Mafia VIII Mafia Godfather Survived Day 3 - Holyflare replaced into this and he's one of the most respected mafia players here I look up to - no mafia died 3-0 as well. Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - I woke up to a wagon on me but had a lot to do lynch day and only had about 30 minutes to post my thoughts - I was town but after my mislynch town got themselves figured out and lynched mafia. I won this game as well. Newbie IX - My internet shit the bed and was partying the night before so I was unable to get to a wifi connection before I was already lynched - was RB - lost Holy Guardians - I was town and we were pretty lost until Day 4 - I was voting on a town and town Damdred saved the say for wanting to change the lynch when if he was mafia it was all over - we lynched Mafia and the game was almost in the bag- just had to convince town VE - it didn't work but was my best town experienced game - lost
That's not the question.
Did you have a coach in newbie IX as town ?
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On June 20 2015 00:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:@Scott Woud like to know the answer to that too. On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry. I replaced into Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 and Half the Sky carried us into that game - I posted a case and the town had no clue who to vote and GG'ed it out - flawless Newbie Student Mafia VIII Mafia Godfather Survived Day 3 - Holyflare replaced into this and he's one of the most respected mafia players here I look up to - no mafia died 3-0 as well. Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - I woke up to a wagon on me but had a lot to do lynch day and only had about 30 minutes to post my thoughts - I was town but after my mislynch town got themselves figured out and lynched mafia. I won this game as well. Newbie IX - My internet shit the bed and was partying the night before so I was unable to get to a wifi connection before I was already lynched - was RB - lost Holy Guardians - I was town and we were pretty lost until Day 4 - I was voting on a town and town Damdred saved the say for wanting to change the lynch when if he was mafia it was all over - we lynched Mafia and the game was almost in the bag- just had to convince town VE - it didn't work but was my best town experienced game - lost
And in the newbie IX game you are mentioning spending so little time in, your filter for 48 hours is more than half the size than your filter in this game.
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On June 20 2015 00:54 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:51 Rels wrote:On June 20 2015 00:47 scott31337 wrote:On June 20 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:@Scott Woud like to know the answer to that too. On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry. I replaced into Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 and Half the Sky carried us into that game - I posted a case and the town had no clue who to vote and GG'ed it out - flawless Newbie Student Mafia VIII Mafia Godfather Survived Day 3 - Holyflare replaced into this and he's one of the most respected mafia players here I look up to - no mafia died 3-0 as well. Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - I woke up to a wagon on me but had a lot to do lynch day and only had about 30 minutes to post my thoughts - I was town but after my mislynch town got themselves figured out and lynched mafia. I won this game as well. Newbie IX - My internet shit the bed and was partying the night before so I was unable to get to a wifi connection before I was already lynched - was RB - lost Holy Guardians - I was town and we were pretty lost until Day 4 - I was voting on a town and town Damdred saved the say for wanting to change the lynch when if he was mafia it was all over - we lynched Mafia and the game was almost in the bag- just had to convince town VE - it didn't work but was my best town experienced game - lost That's not the question. Did you have a coach in newbie IX as town ? I did but I had real life issues and was unable to use it. Coaching QT: LoneMeow http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/vWGAAqtcjfQp
Alright. Point cleared for me.
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OK I really have to go now. Willing to switch to Damdred or ruxxar as I said, but I let you guys discuss the next few hours. Should be back before deadline hopefully.
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Don't forget this though.
On June 20 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:A few other reasons to scumread scott though: 1. Plants' only post. Not letting this one go. 2. From Trfel's case, read progression: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. 3. Meta: - His filter when he was town in HG was 2 pages longer than on this one. - His filter when he was town in newbie IX was 3 pages on day 1 when he was lynched, more than half the size than this game. - His filter when he was mafia in newbie VIII was 1 page less than this game. And you discarded it, but 4. Vote analysis: - Day 1 ninja voted geript as the last vote. - Day 2 weird behaviour at EOD.
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Without a good case on Damdred or rux I'm staying on scott.
Alright see you later guys (=
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Yo I'm on the train right now, won't be here until 30 minutes before deadline. I'll read as fast as I can then
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Hello back (=
Looks like scott gave up. Just have to wait for deadline then
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On June 19 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I do want to hear your meta on Damdred that you mentioned.
I second this.
@BS You still haven't explained that.
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On June 20 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did he not scumslip earlier wave?
You're not reading the fucking game properly. He has explained that, it is not a slip.
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Alright I feel you, lost all motivation doing a proper scott case when he's going to be lynched anyway.
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Alright. It's useless to me 'cause I can't know if it's true.
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Alright good night everyone
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