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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 19:57 GMT
#1953
Not voting: Damdred, WOS.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:06 GMT
#1956
OK so the only way scott has to defend himself is to convince you that someone you think townie is suspicious right ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:06 GMT
#1957
On June 19 2015 05:06 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe I missed it said or I am dumb but what is POE.

Process of elimination.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:15 GMT
#1960
Don't have any motivation to do a scott case with 6/8 people on him. Just the voting pattern is enough for me for voting him, and I don't need a case to convince people already voting for him.

I'm gonna sleep now so see you tomorrow. Take care everyone (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:16 GMT
#1961
On June 19 2015 03:40 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 02:49 Rels wrote:
I made a list of people voting for me day 2. Damdred is in it and oats is not.

Damdred and oats are on my poe list.

When the lists are crossed that gives this result.


I want to say that I really appreciate you putting in a lot of work rels even if people didn't comment much on it!

Good job

TY (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:40 GMT
#1963
Last thought of the day: this push is too easy. So easy. There is 6 people voting scott, and WOS was here and did nothing to interrupt that: so that's 7 people out of 9, and 2 mafia left. Statistically, there is at least one mafia on these 7, who is currently is not doing anything to make the thread move.

And I can apply this theory for the whole day. Almost nothing happened, and scott was the most likely train from the very beginning. I know for a fact ruxx and Oats were here and did nothing, for example.

So to me everybody is happy with the lynch going this way: town 'cause scott is super scummy, AND mafia.

So it seems that the mafia team is happy with scott going down. It can mean:
- scott is not defendable
- scott is townie
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:44 GMT
#1964
Ok I'm too tired to think but tomorrow I will look for each person reason to join this scott train.
If I find someone jumping on my train day 2 with no reason AND jumping on this current train for no reason, I'm sure he's mafia.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 18 2015 20:45 GMT
#1965
ruxxar comes to thinking here. Will check that tomorrow.

Good night!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 08:00 GMT
#2021
Scott's filter as mafia in newbie VIII
Scott's filter as town in HG

OK I still have the feeling that push is too easy, whatever happen. So I'm gonna read scott's filter in this current game, then I'll read the filters listed above.

If I don't find anything that make me sure scott is mafia, I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 08:22 GMT
#2024
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Oh fish ul Votecount


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.

If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript


Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone


Rels -

So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus

Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?

@scott: Why did you ask me that question ?
Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 09:19 GMT
#2027
On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
Scott's filter as mafia in newbie VIII
Scott's filter as town in HG

OK I still have the feeling that push is too easy, whatever happen. So I'm gonna read scott's filter in this current game, then I'll read the filters listed above.

If I don't find anything that make me sure scott is mafia, I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

OK did this. Didn't have a revelation but I'm more confident lynching scott now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 09:26 GMT
#2028
I remarked two things reading these filters:
1 - filter size; scott's filter this game is almost the same as his mafia game in newbie VIII. In his town game, his filter day 3 was longer.
2 - scott was lynched last day in his townie game. I have the feeling that his defense of himself was more emotional than in this game.

Voilà! I was looking for reasons scott should be town and didn't find them. The reasons above are not great, but it's a little more suspicions of scott when I already have plenty.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 09:53 GMT
#2029
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 11:22 GMT
#2031
On June 19 2015 20:19 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
Scott's filter as mafia in newbie VIII
Scott's filter as town in HG

OK I still have the feeling that push is too easy, whatever happen. So I'm gonna read scott's filter in this current game, then I'll read the filters listed above.

If I don't find anything that make me sure scott is mafia, I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

hsh
I see you linking my filters but not reaching to any conclusions - am I mafia?

Read them and I saw very similar styles, except for size where it's hugely different. Would love someone like Trfel, WOS or batsnacks to read them and tell me their thought though.

Didn't find the revelation that you were town, and that's what I was looking for.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 11:23 GMT
#2032
On June 19 2015 20:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 20:19 scott31337 wrote:
On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
Scott's filter as mafia in newbie VIII
Scott's filter as town in HG

OK I still have the feeling that push is too easy, whatever happen. So I'm gonna read scott's filter in this current game, then I'll read the filters listed above.

If I don't find anything that make me sure scott is mafia, I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

hsh
I see you linking my filters but not reaching to any conclusions - am I mafia?

Read them and I saw very similar styles, except for size where it's hugely different. Would love someone like Trfel, WOS or batsnacks to read them and tell me their thought though.

Didn't find the revelation that you were town, and that's what I was looking for.

Maybe you can do it and point me how these filters mean you're town and not mafia, 'cause I didn't find it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 11:24 GMT
#2033
In the meantime can you answer these ?

On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Oh fish ul Votecount


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.

If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript


On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone


Rels -

So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus

Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?

@scott: Why did you ask me that question ?
Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well?


On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 13:17 GMT
#2035
On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.



I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott.
I'm sorry.

Explain to me then, 'cause i don't see it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 13:33 GMT
#2038
Fuck you're right.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix#3

He played on newbie IX as a newbie, so he had a coach for sure.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 14:28 GMT
#2057
OK ruxxar. For now I think you're town. And if scott flips mafia I'll never get back on this, 'cause my main point against you is how you jump on easy train, and I don't think you would do that to your teammate.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:14 GMT
#2063
A few other reasons to scumread scott though:

1. Plants' only post. Not letting this one go.
2. From Trfel's case, read progression:
On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:

Read Progression
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now.
He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player).

He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people.

On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.

Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance.

On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.

Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.

I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts.


On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.

Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.

The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence.


Wow moosy.

I have to give you 5 stars for this read.
It's like you're inside my head or something.
I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on.

You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube.

I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do.

From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent.
They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto,
often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person.

I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon).

Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town.




This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read
Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until:
On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -

Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats

Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart

Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar
Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post:
On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder.

Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever.


I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia.


3. Meta:
- His filter when he was town in HG was 2 pages longer than on this one.
- His filter when he was town in newbie IX was 3 pages on day 1 when he was lynched, more than half the size than this game.
- His filter when he was mafia in newbie VIII was 1 page less than this game.

And you discarded it, but
4. Vote analysis:
- Day 1 ninja voted geript as the last vote.
- Day 2 weird behaviour at EOD.
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