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On June 20 2015 00:17 Rels wrote: If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list. If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list. Why ruxxar and not Oats? | ||
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Damdred is looking better and better to me. There are definitely people avoiding talking about him in any real respect. | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:27 Rels wrote: My POE list is: scott Oats Damdred ruxxar The people voting on my easy train at the start of day 2 are: batsnacks scott ruxxar Damdred Kickstart Trfel There are the same people on the easy scott train too, minus scott and plus Oats. I think there is at least one mafia on these two easy trains, so I crossed the lists to obtain this one: scott Damdred ruxxar By the way WOS, you not being on those two easy trains mean you're my top top town. I meant to comment on this when you first did it but this is some weird analysis I don't think I've ever seen done before. No offense and I can't explain why exactly unless I sit and think about it, but I don't think this holds water, but at the very least it's super town-mindset. Not that anyone has any doubts at this point. | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave, why am I mafia and why is damdred town if people don't want to talk about him. Oats, wtf. | ||
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I know how you are with this game, so the fact that you are not being careful whatsoever with anything you post and it makes no goddamn sense half the time is absolutely not a towntell for you. You come in here, throw random shit jabs at people, have no semblance of who you want to lynch straight and why, and you're somehow getting away with it. You started to play well in the beginning of the game but now that people are putting pressure on you you've completely lost that and have fallen apart. Guys get off scott. It HAS to be one of Oats/Damdred, and this point I don't really care which one you vote for. | ||
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Yes, by better and better I mean better and better as a lynch. How did who not scumslip earlier? Scott's shit about the coaching? I have no idea but you should how scumslips work---that is, they don't. I assume he's simply not including this game for whatever reason? On June 20 2015 03:02 Oatsmaster wrote: How is scott town?? How is he scum? Go ahead and show me Oats. Do some scumhunting. | ||
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I'm going to look into this myself. It actually does make a whole lot of sense if one of or both Damdred and Oats are scum that nobody wants to talk about either of them but more so because Damdred isn't even here and the entirety of town has been either completely complacent in the scott lynch or actually attempting to re-evaluate, which is actually way a way better situation than I would expect with a wagon like this that formed so early. | ||
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Damdred might get modkilled anyway. My vote on him initially started partially because I think he might be scum and patially to get him to do something (in response to this post I quoted by Kickstart here) Except looking through and some of the points I've made really lead to believe he's scum. Probably more than Oats but if we're wrong about Scott then it has to be Damdred/Oats because I don't think anyone else makes sense. On June 20 2015 03:20 Trfel wrote: Please don't misunderstand. I'm not telling scott31337 to stop talking, I just didn't want to talk to him about the same things (ie my reasons for calling him scum) any longer. I'm willing to talk with him about other things. We're not allowed to discuss coaching in this game. And why isn't it scott31337? I've made my arguments, and he seems like a solid lynch to me. If you don't want to lynch him, you need to say why. Is it just because of how much strength his wagon has? I don't have a problem with lynching Oatsmaster, but scott31337 just feels even scummier. I guess maybe that's it? I don't know if I remember the last time I've been in a game where everyone unanimously agreed on scum from the start of a day like this. And I suppose that doesn't mean scott's town on its own. | ||
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If we're going to do this we'll do it hard. ##unvote ##Vote: Scott31337 | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:31 Trfel wrote: It just feels like scott31337 is so scummy, I can't really see scum defending him. They sort of need to bus him at this point. Alright well then if this is the case, when did the bussing start? Was there a 'tipping point' at which you think he looked too scummy to be redeemed even to the other scum? | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: Damdred | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:39 Trfel wrote: I guess a lot of our difference in opinion on Damdred is because in my last few games with Damdred, I've always scumread him and I've always been wrong. While Damdred is certainly capable of being an incredible town leader, he doesn't always play to his capabilities. Although town!Damdred is capable of playing better than he has in this game, his play reminds me of his town play, only there is less of it. And there are several smaller indicators that he is town, particularly his Day 2 voting. VOTING ASIDE, because it's all most people seem to look at in this game (holy shit i sound like Oats. probably IS town) Why is Damdred town? What have you seen from him that makes him look like town Damdred? Why have your past scumreads on him been wrong? Give me something here. | ||
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I'm willing then to see what he does now. | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:08 Trfel wrote: Ugh, I guess I really just need to look into everyone. Rels ruXxar Damdred Kickstart batsnacks Trfel WaveofShadow Oatsmaster 8 players left, so 6 town and 2 mafia. There will be 5 town and 2 mafia after the night, and 3 town and 2 mafia if we mislynch again. That gives us one more mislynch before LYLO. So if we can get down to three suspects, we should be okay. I sort of feel like mafia is most likely between Rels, ruXxar, and Oatsmaster, though. Batsnacks, I would appreciate some reasons why you are suspicious of Damdred and WaveofShadow other than POE. How does their play follow mafia motivations? Here's the thing about that. Bats has been pretty wrong despite taking very strong stances twice now which on its own is pretty meh, but now the fact that he's continuing on with his apparent PoE scumread of me, nevermind Damdred despite the method being obviously faulty in the first place? Something's up. As far as your townread of Damdred I am definitely not sold on that. Reasons to afk aside, the times where he has been here he has been extremely content to take a backseat, rather than what you say about him leading. On June 20 2015 03:50 Trfel wrote: My past scumreads have been wrong because I've expected Damdred to always play like he does in his best moments. Damdred is certainly a good player, but he doesn't always play to the very high level that he's capable of. (not to pick on Damdred, I'm rarely able to play to my best...) Damdred and I have turned our last few games together into a yelling match, which is one of the main reasons I attributed to town losing those games. If Damdred were scum here, I would expect him to do the same, as it would be an easy way to sidetrack the thread and there's minimal risk for Damdred. Instead, he does this:Which I don't really see coming from mafia!Damdred. When Damdred is here, he seems to be willing to lead the thread. Your bolded point is mostly meta-based, where you assume mafia Damdred will act a certain way even though meta is fairly easy to change in a case like this, and when you say starting a shit fight is at no risk to him when you're top town? Not really seeing how that's the case either. | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote: Ie bats will say I'm trying to pocket him and lack suspicion of his play. The only thing I have going for,me is voting on sulp instead of ks and instead of shot fighting with ks and trfel I tried to work with them,and get ks to work with me. Damdred who is scum? Have you caught up? | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote: I pasted 100% of my thought process regarding my POE. I even did a kind thing and cut and pasted it all into one convenient post with bullet points. Rather than "hey bats do you have anything else?" or "bats your POE sucks please completely change all of your opinions and perspectives because I don't like them" or "bats is unreachable, I will just ignore him" why not respond to anything I said with reason? Yeah and since nothing has changed at all in your PoE even though you were clearly wrong on Scott, what I responded with originally still stands: Yeah I've read your 'sulf did this, so town' posts and I'm not particularly enamored of them. I will admit I'm usually not great at reading newbies here so maybe that's why I don't feel like looking into his motivations will yield good results, but to assume that every time Sulf defended someone it makes them town seems a little suspect since there are other cases sulf didn't even comment on due to low activity. | ||
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In all of your PoE analysis you essentially assume that Sulfurus does not bus anyone, and never townreads fellow scum mates so only those people omitted from most of his posting entirely must be scum. If you don't see why that's faulty even after Scott got lynched than by all means continue, but don't expect me or anyone else to listen to you any further. | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:51 batsnacks wrote: Sulfur's first post about you was a town read. Sulfur scum leans on damdred several times. So you're still just making huge, sweeping, wrong generalizations about my POE. It's not important to me whether or not people listen to me. Not one person has responded to a single thing I said in my POE reads. I'm happy to lead a horse to water it's not my problem if it won't drink. Trfel responded to your PoE reads and you only responded to one of his points. I think my biggest issue with your PoE is essentially to me you are now calling me scum for precisely NO reason because nowhere have you actually looked into anything I have done, rather made weak and arbitrary conclusions about other players to rule them out: sulfur's first post was scum reading and voting kickstart. Good knowing he's town. Also good knowing that we were lynching between town and mafia yesterday. There is absolutely nothing to say Sulf doesn't bus right off the bat. Especially when you consider how quickly the vote came right off of him. No other read in your PoE about Kickstart so apparently that one quick assumption is enough to call him town? Awful. Thinking about it more, ruxxar is probably town and probably wound up on so many wagons because he is over thinking his first game. He probably discredited my geript read because he saw n00b do it first and thought it would be okay for him to do it. I think all of his scummy actions can be explained in a way that makes sense for town. Why then if there are both scummy and towny reasons for his actions do you assume he is town based on this? sulfur hard defended Rels and rux from trfel d1. This is very likely a case of sulfur defending town from town, which he also did with oats and Rels/n00b. If Trfel is mafia sulfur is not going to hard defend two townies from him. You conclude from this that Trfel likely isn't mafia because of this, but that only makes sense IF ruxxar and Rels are BOTH town. Why can't Trfel be town and one of Rels/ruxxar be scum here? Once again, the problem I have with your PoE is you base a lot of it on things that Sulf did when you can't 100% understand his motivations, and then there are other points where you just arbitrarily choose single reasons to townread people which on their own truly don't appear to be particularly strong. And even then, were you to continue to go back with this list and reevaluate it would probably be ok, but this PoE was literally proved wrong, and yet you still continue to use the same faulty rationale to justify scumreads on me and Damdred without looking any further (never mind not having any actual reasons to scumread either of us), and that's just shit. I can't decide where I stand on this especially since I was still currently scumreading Damdred. I think I'm going to need to do a readthrough before going forward. | ||
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) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).
