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On June 11 2015 22:51 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:43 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:
did he pop up or what? You voted JAT right after he did and he queried you on it. Wait, what? VA never voted me. That was in reference to Mig. Unless I misunderstood BF, I thought BF meant Mig. Wait hold on. Scratch that. I see where the misunderstanding is since I'm asking you about two people at once. Let me rephrase, re: Mig I see you already answered that question. Re: Vayne, yes, I asked you whether your opinion's changed and yes he's popped in again, last thing I recall him saying "Mig train choo choo" or something like that.
Yeah I don't recall exactly, didn't care too much since JAT managed to piss me off that hard that I'll just keep voting him until I'll get killed and flip VT. He's just setting up mislynches instead of actually helping out town, sticking to his bullshit oneliners 
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On June 11 2015 22:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:51 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:49 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:44 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Fair enough but I already told you why that does not make VA mafia. You even had a look at his past games and agreed. And now that's the best you have to offer as a read? yawn shift more attention to me What are you even trying to say with this post? That you're bussing on me since day2, and this time I'm using the word correctly. Please stop asking me stuff you're boring Instead try to read on someone that is not named boxerfred. No, you aren't. A bus is if someone is attacking his scum teammate. Why on earth would you want me to stop asking you stuff if you are town? I gave plenty of reads besides you. Blablablabla you gave plenty of oneliners show me a read you did that was not started by someone before you already or shut up and stop talking to me I think we both know where our votes go today you're toxic, really YOU are toxic. It is blatantly obvious who of us 2 is trying to evaluate the game/the others play and who is just kicking and screaming without presenting any actual arguments. It literally does not matter at all if someone posts oneliners or not. That's completely irrelevant for the quality of the posts.
"You're toxic." - "no, YOU are." Quality!
Show me your arguments, show me your cases, show me awesome posts that actually contribute and are not useless. Show me, show me, show me, I cannot find them. Until you do so, you have my vote and no more answers.
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yeah whatever, mislynches are great for scum anyways.
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##unvote ##vote boxerfred
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Nah seriously i wont get a lynch on jat so i prefer to lynch me instead. Im raising way too much attention and im playing like shit. Tbh i totally agree that at this point its best to lynch me. Whatever case i will possibly throw out will be looked at as if im scum. So town needs to get me out because scum will not kill me anytime soon since im the best distraction they have.
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My credibility is gone anyways
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On June 12 2015 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I will explain this to you calmly and without calling you an idiot, boxerfred.
If you are town then lynching you does not help town in the slightest. The first duty of a townie is to not get mislynched and that is written in the guides for a reason. You argue that town needs to get rid of you because you are an distraction which is not entirely wrong but flawed logic. If you are town and we lynch someone else then that person could be scum. If you are town and just give up then we are wasting a lynch on you and we won't even get any information out of it because scum does not even have to justify voting for a martyr that won't play the game.
That post stuns me. I just gave you the easiest way to jump on me and get me lynched and you did not take it.
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On June 12 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:
Justanothertownie give me your thoughts. Why does that case on you from mig make mig mafia? Explain why it can't come from a town mig.
Boxerfred, if you agree with mig's case on justanothertownie why would that change your opinion on mig's alignment and make him mafia if justanothertownie flipped town if you're agreeing with everything he is saying? Surely that just makes him misguided? Why not consider any of the other people that aren't saying things you agree with?
Also, boxerfred, why do you think marvellosity was killed?
Also, a public service announcement. Please, in future, try to take the higher ground in arguments and answer the questions people ask no matter whether you think they are stupid or not.
I agreed with Mig's place because I wasn't too fond of JAT being town in the first place. I townread him rather early and got to regret that for reasons I named. However weak or strong those reasons are now, I thought they were quite good when I initially stated them.
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
Hm. Why do I think marv was killed. Actually I'm asking that myself just now for the first time so let me just write down my stream of thoughts. I feel like most people (especially JAT) read him as town before he was killed. I'm not sure about that, it's more a gut feeling. I myself did not have a town read on him because I fought with him all the time, however his filter indicated to me (as I posted) that he does not have a really scummy appearance. Let's say I leaned him slightly town before he was killed, without being really sure as I was in NaCl.
Hm, okay, that's how we went into the night. The scum team knows the alignment of marv so they put him, I guess along with NaCl, on their "top town to find out about us" list. That's why they decide to kill him, although he was on a wrong path with Chezinu. Might've happened to put more blame on me even, since I was already likely to get lynched at that point and they saw that I react spontaneously to thinks and might be caught in an overreaction as soon as someone claims that I insisted on killing him. Scum would've thought like this if I'm right: "Look, marv is quite active. And he's fighting with boxerfred. Now if we kill scum, wouldn't town think rather fast that boxerfred snapped and killed him because he's pissed off? He's already set up for the lynch, that'd be the nail. If need be, we can even point that out." However, there was no need to point that out this day, because I went nuts and am quite close to getting lynched.
Hm, I'm trying to imagine other reasons to kill marv. Who was marv pushing besides Chezinu? He was pushing fuba a bit on D1 but that's not really telling too much. Hm.
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Going into "why was marv killed", I'd like to ask why Artanis was killed N1. How could scum be so sure that the claim was for real?
On June 05 2015 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Marv is probably town for reasons JAT would hate.
I liked Sodium Chloride's case on Mig. Wouldn't consider it a lock though.
I also like Prplhz in that he wasn't afraid to go after Chez, a dangerous move to anyone that knows him. Also feels too forthcoming and relaxed to be scum.
Here is the original breadcrumb tell from Artanis that made him claim. Now why would you pick that breadcrumb up? I mean, let's take the sentence: "Wouldn't consider it a lock though."
So for me as a newbie, I read that as "Well, I wouldn't lock that opinion yet. The case might be solid but it's not enough to justify a lynch". A more experienced player would probably read it as "Well, solid case, but I'm not using my Jailkeeper ability to block him in the night." But still, it's a crumb, not a huge tell. So who would read that sentence so accurate, so exactly, that he'd find that breadcrumb? I mean, it's D1. We're all still a bit kidding and joking, right? Except the one that is directly mentioned in the post: Mig. Mig sees his name pop up. He sees that this is an opinion on the case on him AND he sees that he's considered (or not) to be jailed. Mig's reaction? Go to scum qt, tell everyone that there is a Jailkeeper and pray that the guy gets killed at night - or even day. That would explain why yamato did his original TMI tell: directly believing the claim.
I mean let's be honest, scum must've seen the breadcrumb (the crumb was even pointed out once the claim came) and they believed Artanis. I don't understand why Artanis instaclaimed or even dropped that crumb but he got us a red. Now that we all know that the claim was for real, I think it might be worth it to go through the D1 posts and re-read all the reactions. I mean by now, we have several townies dead. Might be worth gathering who went on who. Shame I have no time this evening, my passion is almost restored with that post. However I'll try my best to do what I just said before EoD.
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On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf.
marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands.
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On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it
Okay but let me raise Salty's case on yamato that got him lynched D1. Mafia could've clearly avoided that if that case would not have happened. Do you think that this is a play do confirm him town for the rest of the game?
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On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands.
Also you're now just doing what I said in the above (longer) post:
"Look, marv is quite active. And he's fighting with boxerfred. Now if we kill scum, wouldn't town think rather fast that boxerfred snapped and killed him because he's pissed off? He's already set up for the lynch, that'd be the nail. If need be, we can even point that out."
That's not a blame, I'm just saying. Can't really say anything about it since my post came after yours and you wouldn't believe me that I didn't refresh before I hit the post button anyways. At least I wouldn't believe that.
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On June 12 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense.
Hmyeah, I get this. You're basically saying "everyone has a good reason to lynch marv but bf has the best one". Hm. Your argumentation implies that NaCl could be scum since he was the best target to kill. I mean, he's the towniest of towns to me and his posts are really well thought out. He's the biggest danger probably. So why not kill him but kill marv? To put the blame on me, like I said before? If fuba was mafia, that would be a decent play I think. He's not killing the most obvious guy which would even put blame on him (because nacl went after him) but instead kills another high value town target, putting the blame on me. What do you think of that?
On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.")
Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no.
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On June 12 2015 01:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense. Hmyeah, I get this. You're basically saying "everyone has a good reason to lynch marv but bf has the best one". Hm. Your argumentation implies that NaCl could be scum since he was the best target to kill. I mean, he's the towniest of towns to me and his posts are really well thought out. He's the biggest danger probably. So why not kill him but kill marv? To put the blame on me, like I said before? If fuba was mafia, that would be a decent play I think. He's not killing the most obvious guy which would even put blame on him (because nacl went after him) but instead kills another high value town target, putting the blame on me. What do you think of that? On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.") Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no. No, I personally do not believe NaCl is scum. And sure scum could have killed marv to incriminate you but usually scum just kills townies that are on the right track and if fuba isn't mafia then NaCl was NOT on the right track. But this whole discussion is more or less WIFOM anyways. Fact is marv is a good kill for any scumteam.
hmkay, I get this. So what do we do now?
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Won't escape the train obviously
HTS's stuff on me is strong. I can't really get that off me. I realized by now that my D1 behaviour can looks scummy, yes, but I really am not. So considering I will be lynched anyways, I'm now giving my impressions of people where I'd locate scum. So once I flip green (this is not martyring but instead saying how it is  ).
##vote fuba
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On June 12 2015 18:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 17:44 boxerfred wrote:Won't escape the train obviously HTS's stuff on me is strong. I can't really get that off me. I realized by now that my D1 behaviour can looks scummy, yes, but I really am not. So considering I will be lynched anyways, I'm now giving my impressions of people where I'd locate scum. So once I flip green (this is not martyring but instead saying how it is ). ##vote fuba Good. You could start with the reason why you are voting Fuba.
Won't have time to elaborate on anything today, won't be around EoD too. Work got me. I won't be around tomorrow in the night, too, and I'll be back at sunday, if I'm still alive then. So you guys can lynch me this day or next day. If next day, I'll be able to provide reads and help, if this day, you'll be able to be sure about one of the players you think are scum.
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Didn't know I'd be gone before the game, would've said something else. My friends suggested to spontaneously go camping over the weekend. I might chime in by mobile but I don't think so.
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ebwop: "I would have said something/not have played if I'd known that before".
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I'm back, guys. I'll try to catch up on the last pages.
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I mean it looks like I'm getting lynched anyways. Which is incredibly bad for town.
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