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Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today.
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If NaCl ever rescinds his claim later he will be lynched though. If you counterclaimed as VT or something like this stop it immediately.
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On June 06 2015 10:56 prplhz wrote:
one thing to remember is that this game features notifications so artanis can jail someone and they'll get notified of this.
Yes, and scum might have a roleblocker so it would not confirm anything.
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On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote:Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk.
Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded.
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On June 06 2015 14:04 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. I don't have to explain shit to you I do as I damn well please
Yes, you actually have to. If you are town and want to win that is. I am town and I WILL lynch artanis today. So if you have reason to think he isctown you need to tell them. If you do not have a reason like that/if you cannot refute my case on artanis there is no excuse for voting anyone else.
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On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either.
Yes, fuba is probably scum too but it is far less certain.
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On June 06 2015 19:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens.
You are getting lynched. If you are town and did terrible things I would expect you to have no problem with putting in an effort to prevent this ir at least try to solce the game/leave a legacy before. Instead you don't even seem willing to analyse the people pushing on you or to even read the thread. Die, scum.
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On June 06 2015 20:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 19:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens. You are getting lynched. If you are town and did terrible things I would expect you to have no problem with putting in an effort to prevent this ir at least try to solce the game/leave a legacy before. Instead you don't even seem willing to analyse the people pushing on you or to even read the thread. Die, scum. I did terrible things, but you don't have to be a dick and hammer that home every god damn page. Your position is clear and the way you keep going about it is actually really demotivating.
Well, boo fucking hoo. And yes, I need to hammer it in because you are scum and not terrible. Claiming to be demotivated by that now is of course awfully convenient.
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On June 06 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. Yes, fuba is probably scum too but it is far less certain. not necessarily sure that's true i'd at least like to see what artanis manages today
Sure, that's fine. He is very demitivated though because I am being mean to him.
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Btw. If it is so demotivating for him to be attacked by me he has to be pretty damn certain that I am town. Where does this come from all of a sudden? I was like the only scumread I ever heard and from his perspective all that changed since then is that I am hardpushing the claimed JK.
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On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum?
Btw. you know this won't be answered, right? I also don't understand what kind of answer you would expect to that.
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On June 06 2015 20:51 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
if it's gonna tell us mafia KP is 1, i think we can be told what that means in precise terms probably means mafia factional kp is 1? setup is closed so i doubt you'll get much more out of bugs anyway, OP says that questions should be PMd and questions in thread will be ignored
Exactly. I mean feel free to pm bugs and tell us if you find something out I guess...
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On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game.
Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own.
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On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really?
Let's say 95 % of the time.
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On June 07 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
fair warning - it was my bf's birthday yesterday and we're going out for dinner later, so activity will be minimal at best for the rest of the day
Then put your vote on Artanis already.
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Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now.
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On June 07 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just going to claim this was all planned and I read natrium chloride's mind and we made a sick play together that got tons of useful reads worth more than my role.
Yes, that's it.
I am not going to lynch a uncced JK but if you are town you should be ashamed of your play.
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On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though.
I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange.
Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me?
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On June 07 2015 01:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You have made that abundantly clear already JAT. I'm not sure it was necessary to mention again.
Yes it was 
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