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Ok look at these JAT/Yam interactions
Yam talking to JAT
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 15:38 yamato77 wrote:
JAT, you're missing something rather large here concerning this interaction
your last post also kinda concerns me, do you care about either player's alignment or are you just complaining?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 16:53 yamato77 wrote:
@JAT
I'm just surprised you aren't putting pressure on anyone yourself. Your post looked more like complaining about how prplhz was playing than actually commenting on either player's alignment, and you still have yet to take such a stance.
I mean, if you're thinking of prplhz's alignment in relation to how he's going after CHEZINU, isn't there something you'd actually consider in this instance, given the players involved?
Soft as shit, throws a tiny amount of suspicion on him and never follows up, points out weird shit JAT is doing but doesnt call him mafia or yells at him at all, now look at how yam dealt with marv/artanis
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote:
marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia
plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:11 yamato77 wrote:
this is your case on artanis
fucking lol
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:14 yamato77 wrote:
it says something that I take so little meaning from such a shit post and you apparently think it's enough to have him as your top scumread
fucking LOL
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote:
marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia
plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
you're a fucking idiot
It is like night and day, as soon as he begins arguing with marv he instantly calls him mafia. The only thing remotely similar is this post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims?
But you will notice again he doesn't call JAT mafia (even with his earlier posts saying JAT was shady). Completely unlike what he did with marv.
JAT interacting with Yam
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 17:12 justanothertownie wrote:
@Yamato: No idea what your problem is. It should be apparent that I do not think the interactions tells us anything about chez alignment. Accusing him the way he did does not look good for prplhz but there is nothing to pressure here. In fact I would argue that me going against mig is the most pressure anyone in this game has applied so far btw.
Totally dismissive. "no idea what your problem is". Maybe his problem is that he's mafia but JAT doesn't seem concerned. Consider that before and shortly after this JAT called myself/marv/artanis mafia. But he never discuss Yam at all, even during the marv/yam argument where they are both calling each other mafia JAT never comments.
When he finally does comment on yam it is this.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I agree with you. Yamato never shows any doubt about the claims which is extremely irritating. And "lynch the jk, fine. I will have nothing to do with it though" also smells.
He doesn't say yam never showing doubt is suspicious, he says it is "irritating".
Tone wise it feels like these guys were going soft at each other, different from how they interacted with everybody else.
Add this to my earlier case, add this to the fact that JAT hasn't done anything the entire game. Just in the last day he has called fuba/boxer/FF all suspicious. But does anyone think hes even read a filter? He is great at hanging around in the thread and commenting on everybody's random posts but does anyone actually think hes scum hunting?
On June 06 2015 06:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think JAT might be mafia. He's commenting and giving opinions on everyone but he's not really pushing anyone. When we had our exchange he was commenting on the sidelines and saying things like "Let's just say Artanis is not impressing me by throwing poorly reasoned townreads around." He wasn't really trying to discern my alignment I feel, and I've felt that way about all of his posts so far. Commenting without digging.
Artanis even saw it earlier in the game.
JAT's entire defense when people are suspicious of him is marv town read me and look at my filter. I have read JAT's filter like 6 times, guy has done nothing that would make me call him town.
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On June 11 2015 14:56 boxerfred wrote:
##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
? explain?
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If I am mafia and you were town why am I pushing you at all lol. Apparently I just pick the toughest targets possible. If I can't get you lynched my back up plan is NAcl!
Do you actually have any reason at all to think I am mafia or are you just talking complete shit because I am making a case against you?
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On June 11 2015 17:57 justanothertownie wrote:
It is also a better shot than NaCl for example if boxer is scum and fuba is town because they might have thought NaCl would continue the fuba train today.
You know this directly contradicts the idea that I am mafia since I defended fuba?
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On June 11 2015 17:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Another point is vet balance. Even if we ignore that this is an absolute shit tier reason itself - bugs did not play or host or coach games since ages ago. He wouldn't even know how to balance his game. For him I am a new player. If we go with stupid arguments like this it would be much more likely that YOU are the scum vet.
I am well aware the vet stuff is speculation and yea genius I know it would be more likely to mean I am scum, except wait for it.... I know I am town! Shocking!
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Look JAT, if you are town then I am way off base and I am sorry. But you yourself told me you were good. I went and read aperture and even though you are saying that I shouldn't use that game to judge you by, I thought you played quite well in it. You seemed to work really hard there. I havent seen you work here at all. I have seen you be incredibly arrogant and just constantly announce how you are unlynchable while doing literally 0 scum hunting.
So if you are town maybe try and actually look at things from my perspective instead of getting all indignant and emotional.
If I am right and you are mafia feel free to continue to act this way.
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Also I am sorry that I am not just taking marv's word as gospel for you being town, marv this same game was unsure and pretty much clueless day 1. Maybe you shot marv so you could use that exact argument and you wouldn't have to worry about marv rethinking things if you got another mislynch.
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It sounds to me like you aren't actually trying to consider whether I am town at all.
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I have been playing in tourneys pretty much all day everyday that this game has been going, which is why the only times I have been able to post from my pc are super late at night. Considering my time limitations I have put in a solid amount of work. And I personally think a lot more than you, I have actually gone back and read like 5-6 games that people have played. How many have you read? People can believe this or not but I really dont give a shit if you call me bad.
Using the reasoning that everyone thinks you are obv town so I shouldn't even be looking at you is fucking retarded btw. I have seen plenty of mafia games lost because everyone decided someone was town without really thinking critically about it. I am actually considering all possibilities, which anyone with a brain should be doing. And if you are town it is definitely something you arent doing.
Anyway if you are town and everyone decides to listen to you instead of me and you lynch me, when I flip town feel free to comfort yourself by saying that I suck and there was no way you could possibly have seen that I was town.
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Btw JAT you really do act like kind of a dick. I don't know if you are just emotional or maybe you are mafia and just faking it but I just wanted to add my opinion that you aren't very nice.
That's ok tho I still had fun playing with you.
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I have spent a lot of time thinking about all the possibilities. Maybe I am wrong and the scum team is some combo of vayne/boxer/ff/prphlz. I have reasons to at least lean town on ff/prplhz tho, more than just taking marv's word that you are town. You are who I am most confident is scum but guess what I don't know for sure which is why I still at least entertain the possibility that you are town.
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Anyway I am going to bed. I didn't say you have to be nice btw. Just that you really do act like a dick, and I wonder sometimes if the people who get as angry as you seem to actually enjoy playing mafia.
And if you are town btw then you are just as dumb as I am since you are wrong about me being scum so shrug. Maybe we are both idiots. Going to be fun to find out!
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I have thought a decent amount on boxer. I am inclined to think there is at least some chance he is just new and horrible tho. His case against you was unquestionably really awful. But I have to wonder how much you and marv just fucked with his head with your non stop interrogation. There are some things hes done, like his totally random vote on marv yesterday which were a lot bolder than anything he did in his newbie game. Will think on it more tomorrow.
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I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
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Really am going to bed now.
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Hi I am here, what do you guys want my reads on everybody?
NAC/hts obvious
fuba - I already discussed him, and personally I think the NAC case that fuba is speaking in absolutes is reaching. When I read his filter it looked like wishy washy fuba.
fancy feast and prplhz - I lean town on both of them but they arent strong reads
for Fancy feast I thought his jump onto yam felt really natural and townie. Didn't try to take any credit, wasn't wordy etc. Didn't seem like he was concerned at all that someone might call him for bandwagoning. Then had this post which I thought was good
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:[refrains from talking about replacement] chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time: Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:48 fuba wrote:
Got about 15 minutes left for lunch.
Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch?
But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town.
##Vote yamato77 This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me. + Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] +On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote:
Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad. VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival. prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2. + Show Spoiler [evidence] +Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015 couple questions for people: VAShow nested quote +On June 08 2015 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm probably going to die tonight so let me post my case on chezinu.
He is mafia because we were playing duck duck mafia and when I patted his head I yelled out mafia and then i ran around in a circle and got back to my spot first he couldn't catch me Why did you think you were going to die last night? fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose? This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid. boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument.
For prplhz, mainly leaned town because it felt like he was actually trying to look at things with an open mind and he wasn't afraid to fight with JAT day1, when in the past I have seen prplhz lurk really hard as mafia, which FF pointed out before as well. He has done nothing the past couple days so if I am wrong about any of my town reads it is probably prplhz.
So then that leaves boxer/JAT/vayne
Vayne I have no fucking clue
JAT I have made my case
Boxer I discussed a bit, probably the scummiest thing I think he did was his case on JAT. Basically telling a bs story and misconstruing some events to try and fit his narrative.
one thing also for boxer
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On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
Seems reasonable except why doesn't boxer even consider the possibility that me and JAT are both town? According to this his first thought was that I could be scum and I am attempting to set up another mislynch. Shouldn't his first thought have been that I am probably town and seeing the same thing as him if he thinks JAT is scum? Feels like boxer is retroactively writing his own narrative for how he wants the story to be seen.
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Anyway meh, maybe I am wrong about JAT. But everyone shitting on my case is annoying. I don't see any 100% lock I have found the mafia cases by anyone else.
I read JAT's responses and is he really this much of a giant dick as town?
On June 11 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:
At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it.
I mean seriously does it look like JAT cares at all about whether I am town or not? And calling my case against him lazy is bullshit. I easily put more work into trying to figure out if JAT is town or not than pretty much any other case here.
For the people who actually read my case does my case look at all like I am mafia? Shouldn't JAT be able to at least see the possibility of my case coming from a townie?
Maybe I am just so tunneled in that almost everything I see from him starts to look scummy to me shrug.
Anyway fuck it, would rather lynch boxer than fuba.
##unvote
##vote boxer
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Isn't wishy washy fuba an indicator of his town play?
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On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote:
Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now.
In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper".
I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it.
##Vote 17ninjabunnies
From reading this post from carnival, I feel like fuba is aware that people find his wishy washiness to be scummy and so he tries to curtail it a bit. As mafia I imagine he would be extra careful not to appear wishy washy and draw the extra attention to himself.
So I am not sure I understand why this specific wishy washiness is more likely to make him mafia instead of being part of his normal town meta.
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On June 12 2015 09:52 Half the Sky wrote:
I actually to answer your question have less of a problem with the case, I felt I debunked your case on him re: Artanis well I felt he honestly took all aspects into consideration prior to lynching Artanis. If you want to disagree fine, but that's where I stand. I don't understand some of your vote switches and both FF and I looked to you as if you didn't care who got lynched. We - or at least I - had a bigger problem with that.
I already stated earlier when talking to JAT that I have had very little time on my PC during this game. People can choose to believe it or not but if I die and flip town you will know I was telling the truth. So I have had very little time to actually post and push my cases / build the necessary trust with the town that would make them listen to me. Unfortunate but it is just how it is.
And when people aren't listening to what I am saying then I am going to move and switch my vote to who I feel is the next most likely person to be mafia. I am not going to just waste my vote. And I did think there was a really good chance chez was mafia when I switched to him, which I stated here
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote:
Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia.
Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that.
I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos.
I was wrong about chez being mafia but my reasoning was right, I don't think chez actually thought I was mafia and he was just bullshitting random stuff.
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