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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 05 2015 23:00 GMT
#390
On June 06 2015 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he?

Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited.

So marv is 100% town or are you just covering your ass?

Not 100% town but extremely likely, yes.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 05 2015 23:00 GMT
#391
On June 06 2015 08:00 prplhz wrote:
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On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he?

Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited.

No he didn't know your alignment but obvious he thought "Would Artanis[Xp] do this as town" and "Would Artanis[Xp] do this as scum". He thought about you alignment and considered both, obviously. marvellosity is not the tunnely kind of guy now is he?

In a closed setup I imagine townies won't think much about blue roles and I don't really have a history of crumbing anything either. He probably did not consider the option (thoroughly).
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 05 2015 23:03 GMT
#400
On June 06 2015 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 06 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[quote]
How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious.

Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you.

I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN
as I've already mentioned I think marv is town.

No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no.

People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah.
On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[quote]
We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely.
[quote]
I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves.

Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me.
On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
[quote]
So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup?

Yeah, no.

Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER.

How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious.


At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper.

Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored.

There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town.

Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag.

You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope.

It is when you add in the fact that I thought and still think mafia knew already at that point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.

I don't.

Then vote me and be done with it. I've explained it from my side and if that doesn't convince you then there's no point continuing this exchange.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 10:56 GMT
#468
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 11:07 GMT
#473
On June 06 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 06 2015 19:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens.

You are getting lynched. If you are town and did terrible things I would expect you to have no problem with putting in an effort to prevent this ir at least try to solce the game/leave a legacy before. Instead you don't even seem willing to analyse the people pushing on you or to even read the thread. Die, scum.

I did terrible things, but you don't have to be a dick and hammer that home every god damn page. Your position is clear and the way you keep going about it is actually really demotivating.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 11:12 GMT
#475
Yeah, I've totally never been terrible before as town. I've heard that one before.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 14:51 GMT
#490
I kinda like how Fuba pointed out Prplhz's switch on me. It did feel a bit sudden and his justification is pretty bad. It doesn't look like he believes I'm scum yet he does vote me. I'm not sure it offsets the initial feel I had for him being town though.

On June 06 2015 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
hey guys he guys!

You know what marvellosity and fecalfeast have in common?

Can you expand on this Chez?

I also think scum are likely in the lurkers. I don't really think Marv can be scum for reasons mentioned before. I don't really think JAT is scum anymore since his push on me feels genuine coming from him. NaCl's claim also feels like it came from town and he doesn't seem like the type to yoloclaim as scum given the big analytical way he approached the game earlier. Slamfish too happy and carefree to be scum. Yamato pushing against my lynch also feels townie to me, I feel as scum he'd probably just go with the flow and not bother too much/get swayed by JAT, though his non-caring for the lynch getting through and being fine with 'not being a part of it' is mildly concerning.

I still think Mig looks bad for the original case of NaCl. His comeback was also a bit meh, points out two interactions between Marv/Yam and me/Fecal then doesn't really do anything with it, then jumps on the bandwagon. Could lynch.

Fuba, Boxerfred, Vayne, and Fecal; all little clue. Need more time to figure them out.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 15:20 GMT
#497
On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game.

Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own.

You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 16:01 GMT
#502
Well, that was interesting.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 16:02 GMT
#504
I'm just going to claim this was all planned and I read natrium chloride's mind and we made a sick play together that got tons of useful reads worth more than my role.

Yes, that's it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 16:05 GMT
#507
You have made that abundantly clear already JAT. I'm not sure it was necessary to mention again.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 16:43 GMT
#529
Honestly I can see Marv's reaction to the claims post-claim as marv simply being less involved in the game because of stupidity, thus caring less about the game which leads to more mellow replies than marv normally would give. I still think he's likely to be town.

Going to read the yamato thing more in depth now.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 16:46 GMT
#534
You're saying this level of involvement is par for the course for town marv?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 17:07 GMT
#545
People keep giving me money in poker whilst I'm trying to read the thread. Most annoying.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 17:15 GMT
#546
I don't think I agree on the Yamato thing though. I believed your claim and I knew mine was genuine, so I'm not sure you can use it to judge him so harshly. If Yamato is mafia, he should be confounded at both claims just as much since 2 medic-ish claims should sound just as weird to mafia as town, especially if mafia doesn't have any additional kp or more than one RBer. I don't think him believing the claims makes him scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 20:23 GMT
#600
Okay I'm here. Is there a case on Fecal other than him being absolutely useless?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 20:38 GMT
#627
On June 07 2015 05:29 Mig wrote:
My case against fecal is this,

1) claims not to have read the case against me and asks if it is good when there was nothing at all to read.
2) Makes absolutely no effort to comment on who he thinks is mafia. When originally poked he just comes in and says every case sucks.
3) When it looked like the thread was swinging against artanis he lightly stepped backed saying we should discuss other things. He then just disappears without discussing anything.

And now he gives a town read on slam, great! Very useful.

So basically, he's being useless and trolly.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 20:41 GMT
#630
On June 07 2015 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 05:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:29 Mig wrote:
My case against fecal is this,

1) claims not to have read the case against me and asks if it is good when there was nothing at all to read.
2) Makes absolutely no effort to comment on who he thinks is mafia. When originally poked he just comes in and says every case sucks.
3) When it looked like the thread was swinging against artanis he lightly stepped backed saying we should discuss other things. He then just disappears without discussing anything.

And now he gives a town read on slam, great! Very useful.

So basically, he's being useless and trolly.

Who would you lynch?

I really dunno. Might even want to go for Chez. He's been around and posting random stuff which he then never gets back to and it's not in an interesting chez kind of style either. He looks uninspired which I'd more likely imagine he'd be if he rolled scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 20:43 GMT
#636
On June 07 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 05:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote:
I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered.

Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have.


Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim.


So we planned it now?

Come on man...

How is this not a blatant contradiction? He still thinks artanis fakeclaimed and yet is now going after someone he said couldn't be mafia with artanis. I'm not saying associative reads are good I'm pointing out that he didn't even think before throwing scum on me.

He said that ages ago. Are you claiming to remember details like that all the time while evaluating if individual players are scummy? Please FF...

The actual bad part about it is that Mig never claimed to have a rock solid scumread on either of us. He just thinks both of us are scummy individually which means there is no contradiction to begin with.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 06 2015 20:44 GMT
#637
On June 07 2015 05:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
otherwise it shows a conscious effort on your part to partake in something that will make you look better and you realize it intrinsically so it is pretty null

I actually only self meta when I'm town because this is what town always thinks which means I only do it because I'm actually feeling it at the time. I'd argue it does make him slightly townier.
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