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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:35 GMT
#2260
On June 16 2015 08:31 Mig wrote:
GG, modkills sucked but doubt that prplhz and hts were going to get lynched anyway. Thanks for hosting guys

My bad for tunneling JAT so hard.

Next time marv townreads me you should maybe trust him. Not that it will happen soon because I will not join a game again very soon.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:36 GMT
#2264
On June 16 2015 08:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 08:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Well played HTS. You really improved your scumgame.


I thought of whether you'd ever catch me JAT. We were both scum in Void together. And I still have bad memories of that game. You know how badly I did but RL had a lot to do with that. Thankfully this go, work wasn't as bad.

But from that performance...I knew I could do better than that.

I actually noticed that your posts were all just mainly rambling without any strong conclusion but the effort alone was so much especially compared to most of the townies in this game that I could not ever justify lynching you.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:39 GMT
#2268
On June 16 2015 08:36 Mig wrote:
Well it didnt help that you never town read me at all. We were both being hard headed about where we both probably felt we should have been obvious town to the other.

Unlike me you weren't universally townread though. Maybe there was a reason for that. I also did not make a really bad case on you.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:41 GMT
#2271
On June 16 2015 08:40 Mig wrote:
You definitely played great hts, only chance you possibly get lynched would have been at lylo when people started to wonder how you could possibly be alive. As long as you end the game before then literally 0% chance you are lynched.

Nobody would have wondered because I would have died and I was the obvious nightkill.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:45 GMT
#2278
On June 16 2015 08:42 Mig wrote:
Also the game is over, I am trying to be nice you dont have to keep being so ridiculously egotistical.

Of course it should have been possible to townread you since you were town but how townread HTS was literally has nothing to do with it. I did not make a bad case on you. You made a bad case on me. After your first attempt I even defended you for it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:46 GMT
#2282
Had the game not ended today I wouldn't have lynched you because you were towny today and I was also correct about the townreading you for the doublelynch thing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:47 GMT
#2284
On June 16 2015 08:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 08:44 prplhz wrote:
On June 16 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 16 2015 08:36 prplhz wrote:
night actions?


I was wrong on the 2nd blue role. It was tracker. Jat was tracker.

I was panicking about a DT....I'm an idiot. Thankfully I played well enough JAT would have never tracked me >_<

yes but what was his night actions


He was going to track you. I think we would have avoided it, as I would have probably delivered, and if he was nightkill, it was a moot point anyhow.

You were basically the only person I would never have tracked tonight.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:49 GMT
#2286
Of course you also had to be the only scum role.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:50 GMT
#2288
On June 16 2015 08:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Bugs/Mig, how long ago are you two from? I only started here Nov 2014.

Way longer. I only played one game with each of them respectively since I started playing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:52 GMT
#2294
On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.




My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:53 GMT
#2295
On June 16 2015 08:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Of course you also had to be the only scum role.


It was useless in the grand scheme of things, especially with no DT.

No, it was not useless since I could have tracked the framer.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:54 GMT
#2297
You promised a reveal.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 15 2015 23:59 GMT
#2303
On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.




My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this.


No, this does not mean anything of the sort.

This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly.

There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless.

If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:10 GMT
#2309
On June 16 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.




My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this.


No, this does not mean anything of the sort.

This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly.

There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless.

If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you.


I don't think I'm wrong. Mig never had more than two votes aside from day 1 when he took 3 very early before he really did anything, one of which was from a scum player.

Town was very off, but there were too many lurky players and in this type of game anyone who gives half an effort will survive. That's actually pretty much the crux of the problem. Town had so little useful discussion and every lynch generated nothing other than lots of people parroting each others' opinions. The day 1 lynch was little more than a bandwagon on yamato who rolled over and died because he failed in defending himself and his scummates weren't around or motivated enough to defend him either, day 2 was a pure bandwagon on Chezinu, day 3 a bandwagon on fuba...you see where I'm going with this.

I understand you are not happy with the game but Mig is not the player you should be scrutinizing. Given the circumstances his play was fine.


Mig IS NOT the player I am scrutinizing. If you think that is the case then you misunderstand me. But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today. Still I have no problem with Mig overall.
I have a problem with Artanis claiming for no reason and with Chez/Fubas/BFs/VAs play that made it ridiculously easy for mafia to win this game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:12 GMT
#2310
You can play badly and most of the townplayers including me did this game. But you should at least try and those people didn't.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:16 GMT
#2314
On June 16 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I won't speak for the others, but Boxerfred is new, this is his second game ever on TL and his first go at town, that. Let's be honest. I don't know about you, but I did nearly just as bad in my second game on TL...the only reason I was not lynched then was because I was a blue role.

Everyone has to start somewhere. That's all I'm saying.

He did nothing but martyr all game, taunt me and make up ridiculous nonsense. I never did shit like that no matter how new I was and I also never got mislynched.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:18 GMT
#2316
On June 16 2015 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:10 justanothertownie wrote:
But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today.


The only thing that matters is votes. You may have thought that about town sentiment but it's fairly clear no one even knew who was on which team.

e: and I also have to disagree on BF's play. He played fine.

I will agree that there was much to be desired from the likes of Fuba, FF, VA, Artanis, etc. However at no point did anyone explain why those players were scum other than their lack of activity giving way to them having bad reads.

It's almost a given that people who don't participate will have bad reads regardless of alignment.

How do you explain why someone who does not post anything is scum? By that logic you could never lynch lurkers and I know that's not your general policy bugs.
And of course town sentiment matters a lot. If there had been a switch like there often is nowadays then mig was a very viable target.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:19 GMT
#2319
On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.

I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny.


I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it.

Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_<

I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail.

I am actually surprised noone got the idea that I am blue after I went hardcore against Artanis because of the cc.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:21 GMT
#2321
On June 16 2015 09:20 prplhz wrote:
can't really demand much more from a townie than that he keeps active and boxerfred did just that, no idea what the problem is.

lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
June 16 2015 00:28 GMT
#2327
On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that.


You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up.

I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute.

Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted.
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