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On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands.
Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense.
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On June 12 2015 01:42 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Also you're now just doing what I said in the above (longer) post: Show nested quote +"Look, marv is quite active. And he's fighting with boxerfred. Now if we kill scum, wouldn't town think rather fast that boxerfred snapped and killed him because he's pissed off? He's already set up for the lynch, that'd be the nail. If need be, we can even point that out." That's not a blame, I'm just saying. Can't really say anything about it since my post came after yours and you wouldn't believe me that I didn't refresh before I hit the post button anyways. At least I wouldn't believe that.
Fair enough. I am not calling you scum for the nightkill - plenty of people had reason to kill marv. I am just clarifying that it does not exonerate you at all because you definitely had reason to kill him if you are mafia.
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On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense. Hmyeah, I get this. You're basically saying "everyone has a good reason to lynch marv but bf has the best one". Hm. Your argumentation implies that NaCl could be scum since he was the best target to kill. I mean, he's the towniest of towns to me and his posts are really well thought out. He's the biggest danger probably. So why not kill him but kill marv? To put the blame on me, like I said before? If fuba was mafia, that would be a decent play I think. He's not killing the most obvious guy which would even put blame on him (because nacl went after him) but instead kills another high value town target, putting the blame on me. What do you think of that? On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.") Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no.
No, I personally do not believe NaCl is scum. And sure scum could have killed marv to incriminate you but usually scum just kills townies that are on the right track and if fuba isn't mafia then NaCl was NOT on the right track. But this whole discussion is more or less WIFOM anyways. Fact is marv is a good kill for any scumteam.
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On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba
What exactly did you like about it?
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On June 12 2015 01:57 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba and by last post I mean big response. Also, justanothertownie, I'm not sure you ever answered my question. Why is mig mafia and not town for his case, just because it was wrong? Personally I feel the case itself was poor but I don't think it means that Mig is mafia at all. Some of the reads he made (the connections with you and yamato, for example) seemed well thought out and showed he had a good grasp of what has happened this game and who has said what. I would be more interested if he talked about other people though.
You answered it yourself - the case is poor. I stated why before and gave several examples of things he said that do not make me scum at all.
1) I do not think town Mig makes this bad of a case.
2) If town Mig made this bad of a case then he would at least do more than that. He isn't trying to figure out anyones alignment and instead content with sitting on his poor case without reevaluating despite people telling him that it is bad. He isn't questioning anyone else, he isn't interacting with anyone else in general and he doesn't give reads on anyone else.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
First I do not think motivation is a problem for this guy. He wanted to keep going when he was basically confirmed scum in his last game, remember? And I don't know what to make of his sudden turnaround. He is clearly trying to appease me regardless of his alignment. I have a somewhat hard time seeing a townie going from taunting me and calling me basically 100 % mafia to this because of one post where I told him that martyring is not the way to go as town. He could also just have noticed that the antagonizing/martyring won't save him and therefore he changed his strategy.
There is no opening for scumreading NaCl. That is bullshit.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
I would like you to back this up with examples. Where is the thought process of trying to figure out the game exactly? Because you said the nightkill discussion is WIFOM and his whole big post is about it basically.
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On June 12 2015 05:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 04:51 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread. I would like you to back this up with examples. Where is the thought process of trying to figure out the game exactly? Because you said the nightkill discussion is WIFOM and his whole big post is about it basically. I do think the nightkill is wifom and that is how he's trying to figure out the game. That's why, while I said I like his posts, I haven't unvoted him or called him town. Why don't you think motivation would be a problem?
I just said that? He stayed in a game where he was basically confirmed scum and thought he could still win. Why would a guy like that just give up now?
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On June 12 2015 05:15 Fecalfeast wrote:as for the nacl thing, he already was in a position to use the nightkill wifom to implicate nacl and decided against it. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:
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On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.")
Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no.
Yeah, so what? NaCl is not someone he could get lynched anyways and if he pisses him off to then his chance of survival is close to 0.
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Whatever, I will go to sleep. Let's see who of bf, fuba and mig I want to kill the most tomorrow.
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On June 12 2015 10:36 NaCl`y wrote:
Yam isn't a lurker
Yamato is one of the biggest lurkers currently on this site and is regularly lynched for just flat out afking. I will just respectfully disagree with you in regards to Fuba. All of the posts you link are very scummy non contributory posts and I think he has a good chance of flipping mafia.
I disagree with your justanothertownie read since he does everything you mention as town too, albeit he does have a particularly prickly side in this game.
Who the hell are you? If you are HF I might have to reevaluate you.
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On June 12 2015 09:39 Mig wrote:Anyway meh, maybe I am wrong about JAT. But everyone shitting on my case is annoying. I don't see any 100% lock I have found the mafia cases by anyone else. I read JAT's responses and is he really this much of a giant dick as town? Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:
At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it. I mean seriously does it look like JAT cares at all about whether I am town or not? And calling my case against him lazy is bullshit. I easily put more work into trying to figure out if JAT is town or not than pretty much any other case here. For the people who actually read my case does my case look at all like I am mafia? Shouldn't JAT be able to at least see the possibility of my case coming from a townie?
Being a dick is not alignment indicative for many people and I am certainly not one of them. If someone is acting retarded I reserve the right to call him an idiot - deal with it.
Tell me why should I townread you for a really bad case on me? When you never ever reevaluate even though multiple people tell you how crappy it is? If you are town then I am probably holding you to a standard which is too high but from my limited experience with you I do not see this as town Mig.
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On June 12 2015 09:28 Mig wrote:Hi I am here, what do you guys want my reads on everybody? NAC/hts obvious fuba - I already discussed him, and personally I think the NAC case that fuba is speaking in absolutes is reaching. When I read his filter it looked like wishy washy fuba. fancy feast and prplhz - I lean town on both of them but they arent strong reads for Fancy feast I thought his jump onto yam felt really natural and townie. Didn't try to take any credit, wasn't wordy etc. Didn't seem like he was concerned at all that someone might call him for bandwagoning. Then had this post which I thought was good + Show Spoiler +On June 09 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:[refrains from talking about replacement] chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time: Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:48 fuba wrote:
Got about 15 minutes left for lunch.
Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch?
But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town.
##Vote yamato77 This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me. + Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] +On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote:
Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad. VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival. prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2. + Show Spoiler [evidence] +Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015 couple questions for people: VAShow nested quote +On June 08 2015 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm probably going to die tonight so let me post my case on chezinu.
He is mafia because we were playing duck duck mafia and when I patted his head I yelled out mafia and then i ran around in a circle and got back to my spot first he couldn't catch me Why did you think you were going to die last night? fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose? This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid. boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument. For prplhz, mainly leaned town because it felt like he was actually trying to look at things with an open mind and he wasn't afraid to fight with JAT day1, when in the past I have seen prplhz lurk really hard as mafia, which FF pointed out before as well. He has done nothing the past couple days so if I am wrong about any of my town reads it is probably prplhz. So then that leaves boxer/JAT/vayne Vayne I have no fucking clue JAT I have made my case Boxer I discussed a bit, probably the scummiest thing I think he did was his case on JAT. Basically telling a bs story and misconstruing some events to try and fit his narrative. one thing also for boxer + Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
Seems reasonable except why doesn't boxer even consider the possibility that me and JAT are both town? According to this his first thought was that I could be scum and I am attempting to set up another mislynch. Shouldn't his first thought have been that I am probably town and seeing the same thing as him if he thinks JAT is scum? Feels like boxer is retroactively writing his own narrative for how he wants the story to be seen.
Like imagine you are me and town. And you know how easy it is to read you town. Then there is this guy who is a pretty decent town player usually and makes an incredibly weak case on you, never reevaluates this and does nothing else really.
Look at this post of yours. Your scumreads are boxer, who earlier - before I specifically called you out on it - never even appeared in your paranoia worlds - and your reason for scumreading him is a case on your biggest scumread. VA who is at best a coinflip and me who is obviously town. There is no scumread for which you have provided any kind of sound reasoning. It also does not look like you put in any effort to come to this conclusion (sorry, if you did but it does really not look like it).
Would you townread yourself in my position? I think not.
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On June 12 2015 14:18 prplhz wrote:
are you calling mig scum or what?
Are you reading the thread at all? How can you possibly miss that?
Yes, I do.
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On June 12 2015 10:08 Mig wrote:
Let me ask you this concerning fuba, do you think it is more likely for a mafia fuba to lurk and say nothing or to post questioning about chez when everyone in the thread is 100% set on lynching him? Why if he is mafia did he speak up at all? Just in the hopes people gave him town cred?
Because he has to post something at some point. Why wouldn't he keep lurking us a really really bad argument. Fuba has trouble posting as scum - he is barely posting at all and the sparse contributions he made were almost exclusively extremely awkward.
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On June 12 2015 15:01 prplhz wrote:
jat is probably town but being so divisive and disagreeable that it might be better for us to just lynch him. i'll probably just ignore all his posts though.
What else is new? You have proven on multiple occasions that you haven't really read my posts from the start.
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Like how on earth can you complain about the way I answered you just now? I have been going against Mig all day and made countless posts calling him scum. There is no way you miss that if you read the goddamn thread.
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You are sitting there not doing anything while I am driving the thread forward and discussing possible mafia/lynches all day and without even reading my posts you have the nerve to call me antitown. Good fucking job.
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On June 12 2015 17:44 boxerfred wrote:Won't escape the train obviously HTS's stuff on me is strong. I can't really get that off me. I realized by now that my D1 behaviour can looks scummy, yes, but I really am not. So considering I will be lynched anyways, I'm now giving my impressions of people where I'd locate scum. So once I flip green (this is not martyring but instead saying how it is  ). ##vote fuba
Good. You could start with the reason why you are voting Fuba.
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