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On June 11 2015 19:26 Mig wrote:
I have spent a lot of time thinking about all the possibilities. Maybe I am wrong and the scum team is some combo of vayne/boxer/ff/prphlz. I have reasons to at least lean town on ff/prplhz tho, more than just taking marv's word that you are town. You are who I am most confident is scum but guess what I don't know for sure which is why I still at least entertain the possibility that you are town.
lol, where is boxerfred in all of this?
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On June 11 2015 19:29 Mig wrote:
Anyway I am going to bed. I didn't say you have to be nice btw. Just that you really do act like a dick, and I wonder sometimes if the people who get as angry as you seem to actually enjoy playing mafia.
And if you are town btw then you are just as dumb as I am since you are wrong about me being scum so shrug. Maybe we are both idiots. Going to be fun to find out!
I am not voting for you though. I am also not ignoring the main wagon like you do.
And you have nothing on anyone else and think it is a good idea to ignore marvs read on me? Since my very first scumgame on this site marv has NEVER been wrong on me. He always called me town when I was town and scum or at the very least null when I was scum. With 100 % accuracy in a shitload of games.
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On June 11 2015 19:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring. Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much. Haha so fucking what? I wanted to know a lot from you, you don't care, you don't commit. I want you lynched. Badly. Get over it and keep on insulting, at this point I'm just laughing on the frustration you're trying to cause.
That's fine keep laughing until you die as far as I am concerned.
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On June 11 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. So WHAT EXACTLY MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN BRO I asked that before and ask it again. Can't see it and as long as you don't care to explain, I don't see why you should go through with "YOU'RE SCUM OR DUMB TOWN" train you're pulling on everyone.
I never said I was CONFIRMED town. I said I am the most obvious town in the game and gave multiple reasons for it. The fact that you are conveniently ignoring all of the to start this ridiculous shitshow speaks for itself. I am done with this conversation - I do not need to convince you that you are scum.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
That can only be true if you are seeing a reasonable town line of thought in his play. Since you admitted yourself that his case on me was horrible that is obviously not the case. And it is not like he had a choice about if he would fight with me and marv since we were the ones attacking him first.
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On June 11 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you. Hoho and guess who has that? JAT! He has not commited to any unsafe plays, his only slip was a bigger post on Artanis. Tell me, WHO has JAT been going for? Where is the case he created on someone? Where did he actually follow through on someone besides, well, me? And even when going at me, he wishy-washed a lot of "Dunno if newb madness or scum play" and stuff like this. He's not committing to anything he could possibly be nailed upon later. He's scum.
Yes, I am commiting to something. And it is lynching you today.
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At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
It is interesting btw. that mig doesn't dare to call boxer town but when he named his paranoia worlds where I am not scum earlier boxer was not in there. Also he uses "boxer might be new" to justify not voting him but "experienced scum players are more careful" for something else. So what is it? Is he new and terrible or not? What he is doing is terrible regardless of alignment and mig admitted as much but he still says boxerfred is less likely mafia than me because he is being terrible. None of this makes any sense.
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Mig is also in no way trying to figure out this game. I just looked at his PYP LOL filter again which is the only game I ever played with him and where he was town. The difference is striking. He is asking good question and evaluating multiple players all the time - he never tunnels on one read. He is clearly trying to solve the game.
In this game however there are far less questions and those who are there are useless/bad. He also has not commented on anything besides me since day1. He is not trying to figure anything out. He is pushing his awful case on me and is happy with it despite it being obvious that he will not get me lynched. He isn't looking at anyone else or saying anything interesting whatsoever.
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So who do you want to lynch HTS? BF or fuba?
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And if you read what happened today so far - what do you think of Mig?
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Which is a pretty damning point against him because that's not the thought process of a townie.
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You will have a hard time finding a "why". He townreads me for the Artanis post and because there is "Nothing scummy about me". Later he scumreads me for the same fucking post and for using oneliners like I have all game. And because an "experienced player like me" did not immediately read NaCl cc as a reaction test because "even he knew that" which is fucking ridiculous.
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I think scum just realized that they just lose outright if they let me lead this town uncontested.
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Marv and I identified each other as town and they couldn't kill both of us so they have to do something now. If BF and Fuba aren't both mafia they could get the other one mislynched today but day4 they are done for and then it is too late to start fighting.
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On June 11 2015 21:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, so I looked at Mig's post, namely the Yamato interaction post. Here's my take.
Second half I really don't like. You have a different style of play - conversational play. You said you only played one game with him, IIRC.
But I've also played with you enough to know that to some extent, he has to evaluate you differently. Aperture was very different because to some extent it was a PM game, so any digging was not done by filter hunting it was via PM. That's a big thing I think he's missing when making that meta comparison.
I don't really know how missing that would lead to the conclusion he got though. Aperture is just a bad comparison for multiple reasons. One of them indeed being that it was a fucking greymist game.
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Sure. The fact that his case is bad isn't in question here. The question is do you think he is town playing very sloppily or mafia?
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On June 11 2015 21:51 prplhz wrote:
i don't think those are the only two options. people see things differently. if mig is town he's certainly putting in some real effort and not being sloppy. townies often have wrong reads, get over it.
hmm what would marv do
That's exactly the point - he is NOT putting in some real effort. He made a lazy/bad case on me and is doing NOTHING else. He is not interacting with other players, he is not questioning anyone and he is also not giving reads on anyone else besides me except for one post about fuba.
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What would marv do?
Marv had a list to lynch through to win the game. It contains both BF and Mig.
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