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On June 11 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote:
The D2 case I effectively debunked before he went for Chez, though. Or rather I criticised for him not taking in all the parts of your push on Artanis into account. To me that looked bad alone plus the vote on chez, but I'll re-read D1.
Of course the case wasn't good. But why make a case on the universal townread - what's his plan there?
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On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual
Because you just aren't towny.
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On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait...
So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about?
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On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head.
I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid.
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On June 11 2015 03:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual Because you just aren't towny. You're keeping me on the backburner because you don't think I'm towny? How does that make sense? If I'm not towny push me nerd
Well, what would you propose I should do? I think you aren't towny. But you also aren't as openly scummy as 1-2 other dudes. So you are on the backburner. Get over it nerd.
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On June 11 2015 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
What argument? I made a comment about how I'm not the only lurker.
Implying that it means it wouldn't be scummy for you to do it. Which isn't true.
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On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness?
I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason.
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On June 11 2015 03:23 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness? I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason. Wow nvm I don't even want you to town read me you haven't even looked at the filter of someone you call scummy.
Boo hoo.
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On June 11 2015 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
wow 16 pages of one-liners. That's impressively annoying to read.
Better than 16 pages of not-one-liners.
Btw. it's nice and all that you are reading a filter/doing anything at all but what exactly is the point? Are you sad that I am scumreading you? If you are town it would be more productive to read the filter of someone that could actually be mafia.
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On June 11 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
wow 16 pages of one-liners. That's impressively annoying to read. Better than 16 pages of not-one-liners. Btw. it's nice and all that you are reading a filter/doing anything at all but what exactly is the point? Are you sad that I am scumreading you? If you are town it would be more productive to read the filter of someone that could actually be mafia. I am sad that you are scumreading me but acting like you're confirmed town is bullshit, come on.
Ok, I am not confirmed. But do you think you could lynch me today even if I was mafia? No, you couldn't. So either way you are wasting your time.
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Btw. I am not really scumreading you. I am just not at all townreading you and that puts you very far down in my list already.
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On June 11 2015 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw. I am not really scumreading you. I am just not at all townreading you and that puts you very far down in my list already. You just don't know how to townread me is all then. I miss superbia
OR maybe you just don't know how to be towny. I mean the people who are townreading you aren't exactly numerous.
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On June 11 2015 03:52 marvellosity wrote:
this conversation is going nowhere in impressive fashion
That's fine as long as it is impressive.
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That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba.
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I won't even adress most of this bullshit because it is pretty obvious how wrong the whole narrative is but what really sticks out to me is how BF says "it was clear that NaCl was just testing the waters with his cc - even I saw it". Where on earth does this shit come from? Even if this wasn't incredibly wrong in the first place I was his TOP townread before for exactly the reason that I went at Artanis/for the claim analysis thing. It doesn't make ANY sense.
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On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute.
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On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane.
Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever.
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On June 11 2015 04:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:14 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2015 04:11 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly? Shame you don't see it. I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now) when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative. Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative. A better case structure is as follows: 1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence) 2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective 3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective 4. conclusion 1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player. 2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis) 3. a filter of oneliners is not townish 4. thus he's scummy Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote:
BF, two major flaws in your case offhand.
1 The one-liner thing is not a valid argument. First JAT does that as both alignments. Second if you don't trust what I, or anyone else, says there on JAT, case building is not the only way to go about doing things, most people on this forum generally prefer conversational approach to scumhunting, some people find it easier to detect scumtells in conversation. There are some people like Damdred, Trfel, Tictock, myself, ritoky to a lesser extent that do go the case route, but to be a truly masterful mafia player on this site, you should know how to work both conversationally and via case route.
2 A number of those points about the Artanis claim are similar to what Mig tried to do when scumreading JAT and I shot just about everything down. There are honest reasons to doubt a claim and I can tell you haven't looked into those. ad 1: this is not a meta read but a "he's not very townie in the majority of his posts". note that "not very townie != scummy" ad 2: okay I can get that, but what about my TMI argument on NaCl's claim? The bolded part?
1. Onliners are no scumtell. Where did I misread Artanis? He was cced and the only people who knew he was town are mafia.
2. Nope nope nope. It just makes 0 sense to cc as mafia and I said as much. If you use your brain on this one it is clearly visible that NaCls claim comes from town in 99/100 cases.
3. It is not mafiaish either.
4. bullshit
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On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now.
I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3.
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On June 11 2015 04:35 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. We went through this already. We expected a hardclaim based on him saying he had to afk even though it was 5h approx prior to EoD. Question after question we threw at him because no one could tell, I looked up his history to compare and test the "riddle" theory you brought up. Both FF and I read filters God knows how many times. And Mig I think said quite the opposite rightly or wrongly and voted him saying he wouldn't forget a game he was dt, he's screwing around or whatever, so that statement doesn't hold unless I misunderstood it.
That's not even the point. He never ever claimed cop or even something close to it.
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