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Nowhere did he claim cop.
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On June 10 2015 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 10 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
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I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. That worked wonderfully in Carol, didn't it? I've not done a real analysis but I am pretty sure my shenanigans hit more than they miss so tell me, why am i mafia? Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
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I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through.
Shenanigans are no reasons. Shenanigans should only happen when reasons exist.
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On June 10 2015 08:00 NaCl`y wrote:
It's particularly annoying that we have around 1 vote count every 12 hours.
Indeed.
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Whatever. It would have happened sooner or later.
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Come on are people really surprised by that? He did not claim anything.
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Yeah, getting rid of FF might not be the worst idea ever. Boxer still up there though.
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Or the fact that you are doing being a useless sack of lurk on top of all that?
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On June 10 2015 08:11 NaCl`y wrote:
No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch.
Why the sudden confidence?
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On June 10 2015 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 08:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 08:11 NaCl`y wrote:
No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch. Why the sudden confidence? JAT, look at pages 67-68. Confidence isn't sudden.
Yeah, I just saw. Well, if I go with my personal opinion I could lynch Fuba in a heartbeat. I am just giving marv a little credit and he is calling him town :/
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On June 10 2015 08:17 NaCl`y wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?user=fubaLook at this filter from fuba where he was town. It has a wide variety of spread out reads, even if there was a certain amount of afking. He is definitely unsure of himself in Carnaval. However, this game he uses absolutes and has opinions that don't make sense and comes to odd conclusions that are based on reasoning that he shouldn't be using.
The point about the absolutes is definitely true.
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On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.
I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd. In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on
So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game.
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On June 10 2015 22:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.
I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd. No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game. I thought I could understand what he was thinking. Then I also thought he wouldn't try to have that friendly engagement he had with me at the point he did. And post quite a few posts in a row that didn't look overthought. i might well still be townreading him if salty hadn't brought what was an excellent point about absolutes (the one you liked)
Yes, because I thought those absolutes were weird earlier already. I have no idea why anyone thought Chez claimed any sort of role. And that particular post is really really out of place. Especially for a rather timid person that usually waffles aroudn all the time.
I just made a habit out of trusting your townreads because they are usually better than your scumreads.
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On June 10 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
if i'm going "i think that person may be town" but I never put them in some sort of list, you should know it can change xD
Of course. But I still don't get how you could have a townread on him in the first place and then change it so quickly because of something you should have noticed without salty having to point it out :/
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On June 10 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
god I am so sad about Chez's play. He used to have more about him.
Yes. It is good that we got rid of him early because with this play there is no way to tell what he is and he isn't contributing any reads either. Just all around awful.
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On June 10 2015 23:18 marvellosity wrote:he kinda gave HF the win in Onegu's game too. The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him. we're in a great spot anyway though Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think these people are town:
1.marvellosity
2.justanothertownie
3. NaCl`y
4.prplhz
7. Alakaslam
13. Artanis[Xp]
if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick.
That list still holds strong as far as I am concerned.
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On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote:
Why exactly is marv town, jat?
You will probably not like the reason. Ok, first of all he is putting in quite a bit of effort even though we lynched mafia day1 and it is his second consecutive scumgame. He could do that as scum but it is something.
But more importantly the reason I scumread him early day1 can be explained by what he said about not being joyful as town. Dick move analysis says he would not try to convince me that this is the case with the argument that he wants to retire from playing mafia. I just do not think he would do that. If he did, fine. It will never work again. But I doubt it. And fortunately if we lynch his partner he will probably concede anyways - it will get easier to lynch him the longer he lives. So I do not concern myself too much with doubting him.
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On June 11 2015 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
well i suck at actual scumhunting, back to gut reads.
mig train choo choo
Fuba and boxer will both have to go before I even consider lynching mig.
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On June 11 2015 02:52 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote:
Why exactly is marv town, jat? ask yourself, you went through my filter and came to the town conclusion nah it's not about this. I wanna know why jat thinks it.
Why?
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On June 11 2015 02:54 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I see why you don't like BF, but where do you stand on Mig that you'd put him behind the other two?
It's all in my filter. He tried to get a lynch going day1 and made that case on me day2 and I don't think he does this if he is scum and knows I am town and universally townread. I don't have a strong townread on him or anything but it is enough to make him a way worse lynch than fuba or boxer or maybe even FF.
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On June 11 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 02:54 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I see why you don't like BF, but where do you stand on Mig that you'd put him behind the other two? It's all in my filter. He tried to get a lynch going day1 and made that case on me day2 and I don't think he does this if he is scum and knows I am town and universally townread. I don't have a strong townread on him or anything but it is enough to make him a way worse lynch than fuba or boxer or maybe even FF. Got it. I have zero experience with him, so I wasn't sure if you were seeing something in him that I was not.
I only played one game with him. I remember him being a little townier there but I did not reread his filter from that game.
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