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FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
May 28 2015 01:48 GMT
#12
/in
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 06 2015 01:48 GMT
#85
/confirm
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:08 GMT
#110
Hi
Vote me
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:15 GMT
#116
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:18 GMT
#118
On June 08 2015 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho


who are you


Blazinghand's archenemy
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:21 GMT
#121
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:36 GMT
#136
On June 08 2015 08:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:18 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho


who are you


Blazinghand's archenemy



##vote FreezingFoot

I say we kill this foot unless he convinces us of his identity and why we should keep him alive. I for one do not want to be led by two left feet

quotes about feet:

The human foot is a masterpiece of engineering and a work of art.
-Leonardo da Vinci (load of shit)

The foot feels the foot when it feels the ground.
-Buddha (wat)

When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands.
=George Carlin (I would rather my life not be in the hands of this foot....or should it be...wait feet don't have hands)



Why do you hard align with hands?

Here is a quote about hands

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FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:48 GMT
#142
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:00 GMT
#152
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:14 GMT
#164
My defense is admittedly lackluster.

Go on.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:20 GMT
#170
On June 08 2015 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:14 Kickstart wrote:
Bugs is also quick to say that he is about to ignore me and that FreezingFoot is not worth listening to. Interesting.

On June 08 2015 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:05 Kickstart wrote:
Also, while you try to say otherwise, you are clearly trying to subtly push the idea that him withholding his identity is anti town behavior when it isn't.
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous.
You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment.


You consider someone taking a mislynch over revealing their identity to be town-favored?

Are you serious?


I did not say or imply that. But again you are painting foot into a corner of no matter what he does he is scum. You are saying/implying that if he ever votes on someone who gets lynched and flips town without revealing who he is first he is anti-town. This is again ludicrous.

But I've said enough on this topic, time for others to weigh in.


No, I'm not saying he's scum no matter what.

Given his responses I have no qualms calling him scum, which is in stark contrast to the fact that he thinks I am scum yet doesn't do jack about it.

You also did not even read what I said. I said he is anti town if HE IS ABOUT TO GET LYNCHED AND DOESN'T REVEAL HIS IDENTITY not if he votes someone. You need to slow down and read my posts more carefully before you start jumping to conclusions.


I'd like you to go further in this. Why it is a scum behaviour NOT revealing his identity to SURVIVE?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:34 GMT
#175
I understood it correctly and I'm asking you to answer the exact question you are making.

Why is it scummy to not reveal the identity?

Sorry, don't say someone can't read when the problem is that you can't express yourself properly.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:53 GMT
#184
Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:55 GMT
#185
Think this way: if I decided to smurf, I have my own reasons, and if you expect me to reveal my identity when I decided in pre game I didn't want to, you're weird.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 01:21 GMT
#195
On June 08 2015 09:58 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.




Did you not see this post freezingfoot?


I saw it
What about it?

See, this is what I'm looking at when I see bugs post:

Who is scum? FreezingFoot
Why he could be scum? Because he is not revealing his identity when he is getting voted.
Why not revealing his identity when up to the lynch is a mafia behaviour? (silence)
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 02:19 GMT
#213
On June 08 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 10:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:58 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
[quote]

refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.




Did you not see this post freezingfoot?


I saw it
What about it?

See, this is what I'm looking at when I see bugs post:

Who is scum? FreezingFoot
Why he could be scum? Because he is not revealing his identity when he is getting voted.
Why not revealing his identity when up to the lynch is a mafia behaviour? (silence)


That isn't the only reason he is calling you scum though that's why im pointing out that post.


Oh I get it. I just want him to clarify this point before I do something else
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 02:34 GMT
#218
Lol dude you can't be town.

I didn't engage your arguments directly or instantly called you scum to see until when you would still push this matter.

My first strike was "I've never had a scumread this quick in a mafia game", but since your reasons were too stupid, I thought you could be town trying to get discussion getting traction. So if I completely shut down your arguments I would break discussion development.

The thing is: if you're town doing that, you'll drop those arguments quickly because they aren't made to hold water. So I decided I would give you space so I could analyse you better.

You're still pushing a dumb matter, which makes me sure you're mafia trying to get behind a ridiculous policy lynch.
You're mafia.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 02:36 GMT
#222
Oh, votes are made in this thread?

##Vote: wherebugsgo
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:22 GMT
#228
On June 08 2015 12:46 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 11:28 Kickstart wrote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot

Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo.


I liked this post.

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On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.



I also further disliked freezingfoot trying to make it seem like WBG was purely pushing him because he was a smurf so I was happy with where my vote is.


No.

I wanted him to explain why not telling my identity when being voted is a scum behaviour. I've pointed it out repeatedly so he could reveal his thought process. After inquiring three times, bugs just calls me scum and asks me to explain something HE is supposed to explain. You know why? Because he has no thought process. He simply went behind a policy lynch and tried to justify it by saying that not revealing my identity while being up to the lynch is scummy, something YOU should KNOW by now that his is the most nonsensical conclusion to it. You aren't a newbie anymore and you know that a method of scum hunting is to see who is trying more to survive than to catch scum. If you have a player that will only survive if he reveals his identity, a scum will be much more eager to blow his smurf than keeping his identity a secret.

I just kept not voting and not defending myself to see how bugs thought process would be in the thread and to see how his thought process would develop. I just showed all of you he has no thought process (in other words, his read is fabricated) when he failed to explain WHY not blowing my smurf would be scim behaviour.

His other argument is that I scumread him but I do not place a vote in him. This isn't alignment indicative, specially in the beginning of the game. I did not approached him more aggressively because of what I've already said I was trying to manage.

In the other hand, he clearly identifies aggressiveness as town trait and does approach me very aggressive. He is self aware that aggressiveness is a town trait. But how his aggressiveness works? He isn't trying to analyse my alignment. He is just throwing suspicions at me and calling me scum for everything I say, or ridicule my inquiries on him. Which means his aggressiveness is not someone trying to have a read on a player, or to push a player to gather information. His aggressiveness is an attempt to look townie, especially when he believes this is a town trait.

Your vote isn't well placed. It is opportunistic.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:33 GMT
#231
On June 08 2015 13:30 Breshke wrote:
Kickstart do you think at this moment foot seems town? He posts this.

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On June 08 2015 09:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify.


Yet he completely ignored WBG case which had nothing to do with him being a smurf. I don't see this as him trying to understand the thought process of the case against him. He just keeps focusing on the smurf thing.

I agreed with you to begin with that WBG reasoning was wrong if you look at my ealier posts but then I was just like fuck it who cares nothing else is happening lets pressure this guy. Foot proceeds to do basically nothing and ignores what people say other than the smurf thing.

Neither is it a lose lose situation for him. There is still more than 3/4 of the day left foot has plenty of time to be townie if he is town.

I also don't get why you seem to think that the only thing against foot is that he is a smurf when that isn't the case.


What's the case then, Breshke? That I wasn't voting bugs?
Who's on your town pile right now? All the voters?

Tell me how this is alignment indicative
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:41 GMT
#233
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is.

He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill.
In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then?

This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:46 GMT
#234
On June 08 2015 13:36 Kickstart wrote:
In my opinion they both have good points. I currently see them as mostly OMGUSing each other to an extent. I am not letting foot off at all, if I haven't been clear enough Ill make it blatantly clear to him and everyone else:

You choose to smurf this game, now you have the extra responsibility of proving beyond reasonable doubt that you are town. If you fail to do this purely through your posts and actions, we have no choice but to lynch you because we have no meta to go off of.

I just think that most people have made this blatantly clear (and it is something that someone who is going to smurf probably already knows anyways) and I see the attempt to "pressure" him as convenient. I mean he has already been pressured on this point, having you come in and piggyback onto the pressure does not add anything. It could be genuine, but it could be opportunistic on your part, I haven't decided which is actually the case yet.

That said foot needs to try not to OMGUS bugs too much and tunnel too hard on him cause that will likely work against him.


I'm not OMGUSing. If I was, I would have voted him earlier. Yet I took a step back to further analyse his approach towards me. You can check my filter and see my posts to realise that my intention was clearly to give him space to do his things.

In the other hand, I have no bigger burden to prove my innocence than any other town. Saying so is letting the opportunity to mislynch me open. I will be trying to catch scum, and you will decide if I'm town or not. It's up to you if you think you should take smurfing into consideration. I will ask you, though, to evaluate my gameplay, and solely it, instead of feeding the paranoia of playing with a stranger that may be pocketing you.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 04:55 GMT
#238
On June 08 2015 09:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I still here for a bit I thought we were leaving right away and and will answer Breshke's quote to me.
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:04 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:51 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
[quote]
Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.

Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying

I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.


When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this?

I seems preplanned so it's null on that part but it did generate discussion although it's early in the game and not much going on outside the FreezingFoot stuff. I mean sure I would like to know his aka to do a meta read later on but the reason for people to smurf is they want to hide their identity so we can't use meta on them.


I don't get why this makes you dislike the pressure though. This makes me like the pressure

It just seems preplanned so he could do that regardless of alignment I feel. What you get out of the pressure yourself?


I was re reading and I saw this.

Can you explain to me this pre planned thing and how a pre planned action isn't alignment indicative?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:16 GMT
#242
On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 13:41 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is.

He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill.
In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then?

This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed.


It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself.

Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so.

If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up.

I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved.

Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination.






Your first paragraph is full of shit. If it was really your thought process, you wouldn't be trying to gather votes on me behind a policy. I can't do much in 6 hours of game and something like 6 pages on thread 90% of it is you saying nonsensical, WIFOMy stuff about smurfing.

I'm not cherry picking, I'm stating clear sentences in which I reveal how your reads are fabricated / forced. I've just stated mafia priority is survivability so your argument of being about to be lynched and not revealing your identity is stupid.

A lot of players die night 1 even if they have wrong reads because they have this good player status, while a lot of people that have good reads stay alive because they can't get people lynches because they have this bad player status. You know that or you wouldn't talk about the NK dodge thing a smurf can have. So, you're contraticting yourself right now just to fit your scumread on me properly.

I've just brought new information in the thread: I said I willingly refused to shut down your arguments to give you more space so I could have more information to work regarding you, I revealed how your not-revealing-identity thing doesn't fit scum perspective, and I've already showed that aggressiveness isn't a reliable town tell.

What do you think of these stuff?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:18 GMT
#243
On June 08 2015 14:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 13:57 Kickstart wrote:
Again, for what it is worth, you both make valid points. Time for others to chime in and not lurk, whether on this topic of discussion or something else.


You think his points are valid?? looool

He claims he's not "omgusing" even though he more or less called me scum immediately after I voted him. This is not to "give me space". To me it looks like he's just very self-aware of his image. That's not very common among townies.


LOL

I'm really trying to take a step back to further analyse you but you keep posting shit like this.

Are you sicklucker with improved English?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:18 GMT
#244
Also, what is your read on Kickstart and the other players that already posted?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:25 GMT
#245
On June 08 2015 13:50 Breshke wrote:
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On June 08 2015 13:29 Kickstart wrote:
What is most concerning to me at the moment in this situation is that bugs seems genuinely concerned, but Breshke's vote is just piggybacking off of everything bugs is saying. This irks me because when asked to explain Breshke just quotes bugs again. I specifically asked for the vote with no explanation in the post to be explained and all I got was a quote from what someone else had said.
Quite a convenient way to later say that "Oh I just thought that Bugses case was good thats why I voted, clearly since bugs pushed it though bugs is more likely to be scum than me who just thought the point was good". Especially since the only real reason to have a vote parked on foot at the moment is for pressure, but if your intent was to pressure you wouldn't just echo everything another player has said without asking the person you are trying to pressure any questions. Seems quite scummy to me, and since I asked for an explanation but didn't get a satisfactory one in my opinion:

##Unvote
##Vote Breshke





Yeah because it is really realistic to think that I as scum would think voting for someone giving no reasoning would make me look better than the person who spearheads the lynch. I'm bad but i'm not retarded. Your right i didn't really help much at all with the pressure no denying that.

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On June 08 2015 13:22 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 12:46 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 11:28 Kickstart wrote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot

Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo.


I liked this post.

On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.



I also further disliked freezingfoot trying to make it seem like WBG was purely pushing him because he was a smurf so I was happy with where my vote is.


No.

I wanted him to explain why not telling my identity when being voted is a scum behaviour. I've pointed it out repeatedly so he could reveal his thought process. After inquiring three times, bugs just calls me scum and asks me to explain something HE is supposed to explain. You know why? Because he has no thought process. He simply went behind a policy lynch and tried to justify it by saying that not revealing my identity while being up to the lynch is scummy, something YOU should KNOW by now that his is the most nonsensical conclusion to it. You aren't a newbie anymore and you know that a method of scum hunting is to see who is trying more to survive than to catch scum. If you have a player that will only survive if he reveals his identity, a scum will be much more eager to blow his smurf than keeping his identity a secret.

I just kept not voting and not defending myself to see how bugs thought process would be in the thread and to see how his thought process would develop. I just showed all of you he has no thought process (in other words, his read is fabricated) when he failed to explain WHY not blowing my smurf would be scim behaviour.

His other argument is that I scumread him but I do not place a vote in him. This isn't alignment indicative, specially in the beginning of the game. I did not approached him more aggressively because of what I've already said I was trying to manage.

In the other hand, he clearly identifies aggressiveness as town trait and does approach me very aggressive. He is self aware that aggressiveness is a town trait. But how his aggressiveness works? He isn't trying to analyse my alignment. He is just throwing suspicions at me and calling me scum for everything I say, or ridicule my inquiries on him. Which means his aggressiveness is not someone trying to have a read on a player, or to push a player to gather information. His aggressiveness is an attempt to look townie, especially when he believes this is a town trait.

Your vote isn't well placed. It is opportunistic.


See I really like this now though. Let me explain how I saw bugs play.

Pressure this guy because he is a smurf for funsies and to get the thread going.

Justify the reasoning with something really shallow that doesn't really make sense

Oh wait this guy is actually doing something scummy now it is a legit push.


I dont think not revealing who you are even if you are about to die is scummy let me make that clear. Just because people can meta you doesn't mean they should totally flop a read on you if they are already voting you coming to EoD. I don't think a meta read should be able to change a read like that.

However I did have a problem with you apparently ignoring everything else he was saying and just focusing on the smurf thing but I understand now why you did this and it was on purpose and not intended to make WBG look bad by focusing on something that is not alignment indicative.

As for the last paragraph I don't think that makes WBG scummy because as i said before it came off to me that you were purposely focusing on the smurf thing so I can't blame him for having the same reaction and dismissing what you were saying.

##Unvote


Breshke, this would be true if he dropped the smurf thing and went on the other things he thought it was scummy.

Yet he just pointed out I was scum for not voting him, but never drops the smurf argument. So the thought process you claim you saw isn't actually what's happening in thread.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:27 GMT
#247
On June 08 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:09 yamato77 wrote:
If this game were a DotA game I'd be picking Terrorblade right about now.



Does this mean you arent going to help at all for half the game but then come win it for us?


This means you should out pick him with huskar
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:33 GMT
#250
On June 08 2015 14:31 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 14:27 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:09 yamato77 wrote:
If this game were a DotA game I'd be picking Terrorblade right about now.



Does this mean you arent going to help at all for half the game but then come win it for us?


This means you should out pick him with huskar



Man I thought I knew who you were, then you said this and I knew I was wrong...


Who you thought I was? I'm curious.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:35 GMT
#252
LOL this probably means you thought I was scum.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 05:57 GMT
#254
Lol.

And I think you should fuck off
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 06:15 GMT
#257
On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!

Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.

For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.

Anyway, anyone still around?


I am.

What did you like in my response?
Why do you think Breshke is town?
What do you think of bugs?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 06:18 GMT
#258
On June 08 2015 15:01 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: WBG


Can you explain this?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 18:22 GMT
#288
On June 08 2015 15:27 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 15:15 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!

Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.

For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.

Anyway, anyone still around?


I am.

What did you like in my response?
Why do you think Breshke is town?
What do you think of bugs?


I think you feel confident town won't lynch you for a stupid policy reason as you won't out as a smurf. I think Mafia would be more concerned with killing suspicion as soon as possible instead of drawing it out. Forcing your identity out is more a dick move to me. And really even if you did, I think it would derail the thread for longer determining if you are lying or not.

Breshke and I think a lot alike. Reading his interaction and his vote on you I can see doing the same thing he did if I were here in the beginning. I'm all for fabricating a policy reason to push someone and then throwing a vote on a person to increase the pressure. You've responded and now there is information from the pressure vote. So, now it's time for WBG to move on.

This is my 5th game I think. Everytime there is someone who is a little "angry" or insulty they are usually scum. So maybe a bad heuristic, but if I had to vote now, it would be on WBG, but I'll see if he gets out of this silly tunnel.


Ok, I can understand this line of reasoning. What is worrying me about Breshke right now is that I've already stated everything on why bugs is mafia but he is still defending the guy with very thin reasoning.

Breshke, why is bugs town in your POV?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 18:27 GMT
#289
On June 08 2015 15:47 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 15:18 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 15:01 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: WBG


Can you explain this?

ad hominem is a logical fallacy and indicative of scum

considering his scumandeering near my entrance in the game, the two damning qualities of these, coupled with my liking of batsnacks responses to me, are why my vote is where it is

are you unhappy that i'm voting someone who is worthy of a policy lynch considering the way he is treating you?


I'm okay with you voting him since I think he has a very good shot on being scum, but if I see a vote in the thread without actual reasoning coming from a guy who hasn't contributed very much in the thread, I will need to know what's going on.

I didn't understand the batsnacks part, tho
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 18:29 GMT
#290
On June 08 2015 16:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
LightningStrike, do you have any games of yours that you would suggest I read if I wanted to know more about how you play? Gonna dig around myself but just curious if you can help me along in identifying which games you would consider representative of your town and mafia play.


He has already quoted his games. What do you make of them?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 18:40 GMT
#292
Here is where I am at right now:

Kickstart
bats
Tubesock
Onegu
Bill Murray

Breshke
Shockey
Bugs

FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 18:47 GMT
#294
I'm slightly scumreading Shockey because I think these two posts doesn't go along:

On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.



On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.

Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening?


I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post.

Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e



Votes randomly, gives town passes for both KS and Breshke out of openings, unreasonably votes with BM, throws this half ass intention of lynching a smurf but not actually wanting just because I'm active, giving no actual reason behind this statement.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 18:48 GMT
#295
I mean, if he is not reading the thread, why voting bugs? And if he is wary of a smurf, why voting the smurf's top scum read?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 04:59 GMT
#423
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:20 GMT
#431
Tubesock, Kickstart, Breshke, can you give thoughts on what I've wrote just now?

Also, I'm not rsoultin
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:35 GMT
#435
On June 09 2015 14:27 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.


I'm willing to reread Shockey but I think Bugs is mafia. His play reminds me of Geript in Joats where his plan was to shit up the thread, disrupt the big names, and position himself in a leadership role.

I must have missed it, why's Shockey scummier? He has only 1-2 posts doesn't he?

Also, I don't want to see them or anything, but when you take notes, do you use full sentences?


Well, the thing is that after I skimmed the thread I could also see posts from bugs that could be coming from a town perspective. I understand what you're saying and I still have issues with bugs, but what I meant is that we already have enough information from him to work with day2. As an active player, we can always gather more information from him to form a solid read later.
So I'd rather have bugs on day2 over someone who isn't willing to give us enough information. I think Shockey is scummy because those two posts you saw doesn't make sense together. I've already explained why. I'm gonna quote it for you to see, 1 minute.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:37 GMT
#436
On June 09 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:47 FreezingFoot wrote:
I'm slightly scumreading Shockey because I think these two posts doesn't go along:

On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.



On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.

Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening?


I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post.

Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e



Votes randomly, gives town passes for both KS and Breshke out of openings, unreasonably votes with BM, throws this half ass intention of lynching a smurf but not actually wanting just because I'm active, giving no actual reason behind this statement.


Thing is, I'm basically guilty of all this too. I town both KS and Bresh, I really like BM, and if I were around at the beginning I probably would have pressure voted you too.


Yeah but he voted bugs? O.o
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:50 GMT
#441
Oh god, this is majority???
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:53 GMT
#444
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:57 GMT
#447
TBH now that I realised this is majority, it changes completely the way I see the game

I mean that I expect scum to lurk day1 more than anything, because I doubt most townies will risk hammering someone they haven't got enough information on, which makes WBG less likely to be mafia considering his activity today.

Idk. I will have to dive him again, but I think we should look into information-less people first
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:59 GMT
#449
On June 09 2015 14:57 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment


why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new?


Because Onegu and LS just had non-alignment indicative behaviour regarding their meta, but Shockey's two posts' inconsistencies fits much more a mafia mindset
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 06:18 GMT
#455
On June 09 2015 15:06 Tubesock wrote:
I'll just feel super dirty if Onegu is mafia seeing if we have the balls to lynch him for not playing into his silly VT claim meta...If he did/does claim VT then yeah total coinflip.


You can see it the other way around

Would Onegu, a guy that loves to play as mafia, refrain from claiming VT just to get town read?

Most of the scum reads on him are because of this VT thing and I'm not sure why this is being taken so seriously.

I would go as far as to say I think he is playing more similar to his town meta than his scum meta. He is being useless/uninterested, which is exactly how he plays as town
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 06:20 GMT
#456
On June 09 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote:
Actually foot never mind that's a shit question. Would be nice if shockey would come back to the thread


Ok

And Shockey, when you come back to the thread, I ask you catch up and tell who we should lynch
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 06:23 GMT
#458
LOL maybe
But my experience with Onegu is that he is way more interested in the game when he is scum. He goes as far as actually giving reads and defend people against lynches :O shocking, I know
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 17:02 GMT
#475
On June 09 2015 23:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.

Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening?


I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post.

Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e



I liked Kickstarts opening, very part of the game, he went ahead and started with some roleplay basically saying he's town which is why I quickly can say he's town (obviously it's still the beginning, the posting can get worse) and he went ahead and started questioning bugs cause of this:

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


It's an opening post, but it's just so ugly for it being one of the first opening posts.

Breshke - You can just tell he's playing a townie, then why all the questions that force others to really give their opinions of other players?

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 14:57 Breshke wrote:
On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment


why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new?


I'm not new to these forums. I've definitely have played Mafia here before, but it's been a long time since then, so in a way I am new once again and I change my play style every game no matter what role. Then what's the point of continually playing when others have such a great read on you? This is why I started playing again, brings enjoyment.


Onegu: He brings points, then leaves - hiding to not really get sniped.

BM: I've played games with him before, always town. So I just rather sheep some one with more knowledge atm.

This was my opening post, now I've explained myself about it because most of you instantly think scum if I don't.

This post is w.e from LS:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2015 21:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up[ and had company over last night hence why my activity was kinda iffy(I thought they would be done earlier but they stayed till 11:15 -_-) and Bugs got a question:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 16:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
LightningStrike, do you have any games of yours that you would suggest I read if I wanted to know more about how you play? Gonna dig around myself but just curious if you can help me along in identifying which games you would consider representative of your town and mafia play.

For town here a mix of my good games and bad games:
Student V: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?user=LightningStrike
Games of Throne: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike
Titanic VII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=LightningStrike&page=2
Carol of the Bells(Post limit game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=LightningStrike
Assassination(Another post limit game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=LightningStrike
XXX A Night of Debauchery (18+): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=LightningStrike
I only got 3 scum games and here their filters:
Student IV(First scum game ever and 2nd game on TL): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Jack of All Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
Guardians of the Galaxy(Latest scum game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike
You can check the database if you need more town games
Also you still think FreezingFoot is scum?



I don't like it, why do you link so many previous games to make sure people know how you play as a townie or mafia? And the fact that Bugs asked you makes it strange. Especially when he can just dig around himself, theres a database thread with ctrl + f.

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 15:20 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 09 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote:
Actually foot never mind that's a shit question. Would be nice if shockey would come back to the thread


Ok

And Shockey, when you come back to the thread, I ask you catch up and tell who we should lynch


I'm still going to stick to bugs, he's obviously angry about being called out so early into the game that he decides to leave instead, what kind of town motive is that? The google spreadsheet? It's ok, points as BM mafia because he's on an all out against bugs and LS even though they never had another interaction again after the game list above.

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
have fun guys, gonna join the lurkers

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18hJSlotqO9cGIaINjn3EQtuMrxz1p6SH_G4algS3Otk/edit#gid=0

I don't have an interest in playing when no one else has an interest in playing


If the train decides to lynch a lurker (stutters), I doubt he would pull so much attention to himself if he was mafia by just not posting.


Are you implying LS and bugs may be scum together? I also didn't understand your points on Onegu and Breshke
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 17:53 GMT
#487
Yamato, how can you distinguish LS's play in this game from his town game?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:03 GMT
#489
I want to understand why not Shockey. I want to understand why LS is a better lynch than Shockey.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:14 GMT
#495
How can you say Shockey is town? Like please tell me ONE THING from his filter that makes him town.

Also, please tell me what you think of the town traits I've brought on bugs
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:18 GMT
#502
On June 10 2015 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:
scumposting^


LOL ok.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bill Murray
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:27 GMT
#506
No, really.
BM scumreads bugs with me
BM ignores the townie points I've brought on bugs
BM townreads Shockey out of NOTHING and wants to lynch coinflip stutters instead
BM scumreads me, who was scumreading bugs (his main scum read) out of a stupid association with STUTTERS.

Please. Vote this guy. It's ridiculous
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:28 GMT
#508
On June 10 2015 03:16 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:12 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:06 Bill Murray wrote:
shockeyy is so town


wot

this is the best ive ever seen him play


Oh that might explain a lot then.

##unvote
##vote stutters


And please WTF is this shit
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#515
On June 10 2015 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:
1) WIFOM
(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player)
2) excuses
(bottom of page 2)
3) admitting to scumskimming
(same post at end of page 2 of your filter)
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning

it's like your reasoning is merely a facade


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:37 GMT
#520
So, Bill, you assume I'm scum. Who are my partners?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:38 GMT
#521
On June 10 2015 03:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:35 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:
1) WIFOM
(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player)
2) excuses
(bottom of page 2)
3) admitting to scumskimming
(same post at end of page 2 of your filter)
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning

it's like your reasoning is merely a facade


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.

its the excuse to leave and the way you "did a quick skim of the thread"

Town doesnt skim, they read.


Shockey clearly hasn't read the thread. Why is he town and I'm scum then?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 20:01 GMT
#536
On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch.


Why do you make a case on Bill Murray but proposes a lynch on two different people?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 20:17 GMT
#550
On June 10 2015 05:05 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 05:01 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch.


Why do you make a case on Bill Murray but proposes a lynch on two different people?


My bill case relies on unflipped associations. I think bugs could be mafia for what bm said and I think bm could be mafia for what I said but I don't want to lynch either of them over stutters and LS is being weird.


Your case actually relies on meta. Also, if you think that case is weak or flawed, why even posting when Bill is under suspicions but backtracking right after?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 20:33 GMT
#556
Dude, LS, wtf are you doing?

God this game.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 20:35 GMT
#557
On June 10 2015 05:33 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 05:29 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:17 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:01 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch.


Why do you make a case on Bill Murray but proposes a lynch on two different people?


My bill case relies on unflipped associations. I think bugs could be mafia for what bm said and I think bm could be mafia for what I said but I don't want to lynch either of them over stutters and LS is being weird.


Your case actually relies on meta. Also, if you think that case is weak or flawed, why even posting when Bill is under suspicions but backtracking right after?


Yes meta and unflipped associations. I said bill as mafia likes to make big, possibly high risk, high reward plays. If you and bugs are town, that would qualify. I do not know that you and bugs are town, in fact I wouldn't be shocked if bugs were mafia for what bill said. I did think the case was worth posting though.


I was also thinking about bill and shockey being mafia together and bill going out on a huge limb to push obvious townies and save obvious scums but again... Unflipped associations and not worth voting on.


I also thought this, and I think you also has a good shot on being mafia with them because you refuse to lynch one of those two.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 20:39 GMT
#560
Dude there are PLENTY of better options than lynching stutters today. PLENTY.

What the fuck are you doing?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 20:40 GMT
#561
On June 10 2015 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 05:35 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:33 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:29 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:17 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 05:01 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch.


Why do you make a case on Bill Murray but proposes a lynch on two different people?


My bill case relies on unflipped associations. I think bugs could be mafia for what bm said and I think bm could be mafia for what I said but I don't want to lynch either of them over stutters and LS is being weird.


Your case actually relies on meta. Also, if you think that case is weak or flawed, why even posting when Bill is under suspicions but backtracking right after?


Yes meta and unflipped associations. I said bill as mafia likes to make big, possibly high risk, high reward plays. If you and bugs are town, that would qualify. I do not know that you and bugs are town, in fact I wouldn't be shocked if bugs were mafia for what bill said. I did think the case was worth posting though.


I was also thinking about bill and shockey being mafia together and bill going out on a huge limb to push obvious townies and save obvious scums but again... Unflipped associations and not worth voting on.


I also thought this, and I think you also has a good shot on being mafia with them because you refuse to lynch one of those two.


Brother

Have you been smoking the weed?


Vote BM with me.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 21:37 GMT
#585
Where's bugs?
I'd expect him to be angry about game but I didn't expect him to not come by deadline when he is not under pressure
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 21:52 GMT
#602
I am HIGHLY against LS since most of what you said could also come from his town meta. He is ALWAYS this passive, and I wonder

I didn't understand the self-focused point. I think the best point in your case is the part where he calls yamato scum but does nothing with it. But it also fits his passiveness as either alignment.

If you take aggressiveness alone, you should be strongly townreading BM. BM is a WAY better lynch today, seconded only by shockey
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 21:56 GMT
#612
On June 10 2015 06:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 06:52 FreezingFoot wrote:
I am HIGHLY against LS since most of what you said could also come from his town meta. He is ALWAYS this passive, and I wonder

I didn't understand the self-focused point. I think the best point in your case is the part where he calls yamato scum but does nothing with it. But it also fits his passiveness as either alignment.

If you take aggressiveness alone, you should be strongly townreading BM. BM is a WAY better lynch today, seconded only by shockey


I don't count aggressiveness as a scum trait.

BM is scum because he is pushing bad ideas and because he has a history of pushing bad lynches and being a brute as scum.


I meant that if passiveness is a scum trait, in the other hand, BM must be town under your conception.

I am totally against voting LS today.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:03 GMT
#631
On June 10 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:
This is a fucking disaster though, people taking hard line "I refuse to vote ____" when its majority lynch.


Maybe because I prefer a no lynch than lynching a coinflip?

I've already told who I want to kill. Bill or Shockey. I'm not voting anyone else.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:08 GMT
#647
On June 10 2015 07:07 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:03 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:
This is a fucking disaster though, people taking hard line "I refuse to vote ____" when its majority lynch.


Maybe because I prefer a no lynch than lynching a coinflip?

I've already told who I want to kill. Bill or Shockey. I'm not voting anyone else.


Scummiest post in the entire thread btw. It's a very good thing you had a strong start.


Lol k

Vote bill
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:12 GMT
#656
YOU ARE GOING TO MISLYNCH HIM!!!!
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:12 GMT
#659
FUCKING VOTE BILL MURRAY!
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 09 2015 22:15 GMT
#670
On June 10 2015 07:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 10 2015 07:03 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:
This is a fucking disaster though, people taking hard line "I refuse to vote ____" when its majority lynch.


Maybe because I prefer a no lynch than lynching a coinflip?

I've already told who I want to kill. Bill or Shockey. I'm not voting anyone else.


I want to lynch Bill too.

But let's talk about Shockey. He's probably not scum, and even if he is he's definitely not a good lynch today. his entrance into the thread was pretty good, and in particular his reaction here:

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On June 10 2015 04:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:38 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:36 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:35 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:
1) WIFOM
(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player)
2) excuses
(bottom of page 2)
3) admitting to scumskimming
(same post at end of page 2 of your filter)
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning

it's like your reasoning is merely a facade


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.

its the excuse to leave and the way you "did a quick skim of the thread"

Town doesnt skim, they read.


Shockey clearly hasn't read the thread. Why is he town and I'm scum then?


Wut? I read thread day and night when I have a chance, this means even while I'm taking a shit in the bathroom. Just cause I post very little doesn't mean I'm not reading. Posting takes up a lot of time and effort to try and put together something at least coherent. Wether you like to understand what I'm posting is entirely up to you. I post when I get the chance and when I do post, I have at least read and reread the thread multiple times.


in particular the bolded-the tone of posting and the indignance with which he defends himself is not a scum trait. I don't think he's the best bet to be scum after he responded like that.


The problem with this town read of yours is that it's basically a gut read rather than an objective analysis of his lackluster play in this game. Tone reads are weak.

Did you read what I've posted about him before?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 09 2015 22:29 GMT
#714
This is ridiculous.

BM's play is completely unnatural, forced, and completely anti-town.
Shockey's play is completely uninspiring and his inconsistencies can't come from a town perspective.

Yet the biggest wagons are null LS and modkillable Stutters. LOL.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE HERE! PLEASE VOTE BILL!!!!
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:32 GMT
#726
On June 10 2015 07:29 Kickstart wrote:
Also LS scum reading Bill who was the only other real possibility of getting lynched (aside form the lurkers which I asked him to ignore) is odd. In this situation as town, I pour out all my thoughts so that town has something from me to go on when I am confirmed town at the flip. Meanwhile LS just afks.


THE GUY IS THE FUCKING LYNCH FOR TODAY
IF HE IS SCUM THIS IS THE EXACT TIME HE WOULD BE DEFENDING HIMSELF TO SURVIVE
YET HE ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF ARGGGGH
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:33 GMT
#729
Give me a SINGLE reason on why we shouldn't lynch BM. A single one.
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:37 GMT
#737
On June 10 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote:
foot that makes no sense. If he is scum he would shut the fuck up and not give too much info. ESPECIALLY IF NO OTHER SCUM ARE ON HIM TO LAST MINUTE MOVE OFF. But that may or may not be the case. Anways I find his lack of giving us stuff to work with scummy (why I voted him) now that he is still not giving anything when he is set to be lynched seems even scummier to me. Maybe that is how he plays, but I find it odd and I would do the opposite.


Dude look how carelessly every other lurkers parked their vote on LS. Look how easily his wagon was formed in the end of the day. It is OBVIOUS this is a mislynch.

Look how HARD it is to get Bill lynched EVEN when EVERYTHING he does is scummy.

I find hard to believe a scum would let himself get lynched instead of fighting that lynch into someone else. I find easier to a town to just get enough of a game and simply don't give a fuck anymore, since everything he says is turning against him, anyway.
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:39 GMT
#743
On June 10 2015 03:27 FreezingFoot wrote:
No, really.
BM scumreads bugs with me
BM ignores the townie points I've brought on bugs
BM townreads Shockey out of NOTHING and wants to lynch coinflip stutters instead
BM scumreads me, who was scumreading bugs (his main scum read) out of a stupid association with STUTTERS.

Please. Vote this guy. It's ridiculous

FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 09 2015 22:43 GMT
#750
On June 10 2015 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 10 2015 07:37 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote:
foot that makes no sense. If he is scum he would shut the fuck up and not give too much info. ESPECIALLY IF NO OTHER SCUM ARE ON HIM TO LAST MINUTE MOVE OFF. But that may or may not be the case. Anways I find his lack of giving us stuff to work with scummy (why I voted him) now that he is still not giving anything when he is set to be lynched seems even scummier to me. Maybe that is how he plays, but I find it odd and I would do the opposite.


Dude look how carelessly every other lurkers parked their vote on LS. Look how easily his wagon was formed in the end of the day. It is OBVIOUS this is a mislynch.

Look how HARD it is to get Bill lynched EVEN when EVERYTHING he does is scummy.

I find hard to believe a scum would let himself get lynched instead of fighting that lynch into someone else. I find easier to a town to just get enough of a game and simply don't give a fuck anymore, since everything he says is turning against him, anyway.


Really?

Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too!

Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours?

At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum.


LS in game of thrones mafia played similarly and got mislynched by town Holyflare who made a very convincing case on him. This IS how LS plays.

If you think BM plays suboptimally regardless of alignment, if you ACTUALLY read LS's town games, you would KNOW this is his usual gameplay. It's as suboptimally as BM's. Why the double standards?
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:48 GMT
#763
Fuck this

After LS flips green, lynch BM and if he flips red, lynch bugs for calling him mafia but refusing with all his guys to lynch Bill
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:50 GMT
#772
On June 10 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote:
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On June 10 2015 07:46 Kickstart wrote:
Bill don't tell who you vote to get powers. Christ. Mafia has 2 silver bullets they can use anytime to instakill ppl who got powers through the witchcraft votes.

kickstart, you really think it isn't obvious WBG is going to get powers?


LOL LOOK AT THIS SHIT!!! AAAARGH
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#790
On June 10 2015 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 10 2015 07:43 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:37 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote:
foot that makes no sense. If he is scum he would shut the fuck up and not give too much info. ESPECIALLY IF NO OTHER SCUM ARE ON HIM TO LAST MINUTE MOVE OFF. But that may or may not be the case. Anways I find his lack of giving us stuff to work with scummy (why I voted him) now that he is still not giving anything when he is set to be lynched seems even scummier to me. Maybe that is how he plays, but I find it odd and I would do the opposite.


Dude look how carelessly every other lurkers parked their vote on LS. Look how easily his wagon was formed in the end of the day. It is OBVIOUS this is a mislynch.

Look how HARD it is to get Bill lynched EVEN when EVERYTHING he does is scummy.

I find hard to believe a scum would let himself get lynched instead of fighting that lynch into someone else. I find easier to a town to just get enough of a game and simply don't give a fuck anymore, since everything he says is turning against him, anyway.


Really?

Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too!

Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours?

At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum.


LS in game of thrones mafia played similarly and got mislynched by town Holyflare who made a very convincing case on him. This IS how LS plays.

If you think BM plays suboptimally regardless of alignment, if you ACTUALLY read LS's town games, you would KNOW this is his usual gameplay. It's as suboptimally as BM's. Why the double standards?


This is not GoT mafia, and I actually read that game and completely disagree. I would have read him as town that game simply because of posts like these:

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On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote:
OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY
It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt"

lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner?


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On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, thoughts on my case please

You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out


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On April 17 2015 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote:
ls has not tried to read me for like 9 games now. whatever hes pretty scummy

I do it just much later in the game and we were scum together in Guardians you know I hate playing scum and very happy I rolled town for the first time since XXX.....................................................


He admits he's happy he rolled town (which we know is true BECAUSE HE FLIPPED TOWN) which means he would put in effort as town.

He's not putting jack shit in for effort here in this game.

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On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote:
Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die!

artanis[xp]

This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p


I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural

On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote:
I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out

Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!"

On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me


Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote.

Conclusion: SL is Mafia

Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum.


Look at how specific he is in these responses. There is no vagueness, and the tone is confident. He points out how he thinks sicklucker is wrong on a particular point, and he provides specific reasoning as to his opinions.

Compare that to this shit:

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On June 09 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay bugs is totes town he got very similar formatting and stuff to his latest town games to his scum games and his line of questioning to FreezingFoot is also similar how did his line of questioning in his town games. Also Bugs I do tend to do that hey I will be back later stuff a lot regardless of my alignment Also I truly was bored on the smurf debate mainly because it isn't exactly important to know who the smurf is although would be helpful for meta purposes :o Now that the game isn't focused on the great smurf debate I also got a meta read on bats being town he always a interesting person I just hope he doesn't lynch himself again :O Onegu haven't done much so null on him meta wise.


there's no specificity here. His responses to other players are also very similar in tone and style.

Also when LS is about to die in GoT here's his response

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On April 18 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW I wont be posting for the rest of the day phase it just bullshit I going to get lynched because Unholyflare got a case on me when noone else brought a case on someone being scum.


He calls it bullshit.

He has emotion here, and it has clearly escalated.

And this as well:

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On April 18 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 18 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
guaewgwehugewhgujwehew LS IS DEFENDING ANOTHER PERSON GUYS

You know I defend people regardless of my alignment had you forgotten how I play as Town?


You say you're only going to use meta when it's 100% right yet you defend all of these afk people using meta when you have no idea whether it's true or not. Palmar fake claiming a role (he's 100% done this as mafia before, heavyweight championship (2 or 3?) being one of them, although at a different time and circumstance completely but regardless your meta read on him is incomplete and it's scummy that you just flat out use it to defend him when he hasn't really done much at all. Saying he's an "uncc'd blue" is silly since you've seen a plethora of people claim roles d1 as mafia. GB literally just did it last game (ongoing so w/e).

It just looks like you have far too much information to defend all of these people. It looks like you're trying to be "TOO right" with it to the extent where you just only believe what you write and nothing to the contrary because you know their alignments. You do a lot of ONLY defending and not much pushing people who are scum. You use all of these metas to defend and none of the meta to attack. This can be seen when you show your list with like 6 null people on it and your 1 scum read is VA who has the exact same reason to be scum as all your people on your null list but is in fact in your scum list. It can also be seen with your GB read where you town read him but post hesitance in that read at the same time.

You don't use meta to pick out these scum reads and null reads and say he does this as town or mafia or whatever. Only defending.

If I get lynched you better flip Scum because your push on me reminding me of your push on 27ninjabunnies in Carol............................................


On March 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 20 2015 01:00 rsoultin wrote:
On March 20 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:
On March 19 2015 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also rsoultin!
+ Show Spoiler +
I added you on LoL on my Level 6 smurf on NA fyi


+ Show Spoiler +
what was the name? me and my lazy week lol i'll prob be playing today ^^


nvm found it ^^

hey, LS, i think this time you should sheep me, boyo

also, totes not important but since you asked, eden, yes we've discussed my age before xP 26

+ Show Spoiler +
It was Bladezzz4
I willing to sheep HF but if Rayn flips town it might go full Carol O_o


On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch.


On March 21 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 21 2015 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch.


if you thought this then why on earth did you ask me a question about why i wanted to lynch bm!?!?!?!? you should KNOW why i wanted to lynch bm if you think it looked like carol????????????????

I mean the way the lynch looked like the way 27Ninajabunnies lynch in Carol. Also you brought up that he was likely lurky Mafia and sometimes people just have a bad game and BM had a game here regardless of their pregame stuff.


Please don't make it too easy. This is your filter in guardians when you were mafia and said the exact same stuff.

Well be damned then just lynch me then.



You don't see any of that here, he just slinks off.


Oh. I can see what you're saying, now.

Now that you quoted those posts, I can actually see the difference between them.

But I am not sure if this is enough to form a scum read on him, especially when you think of how his wagon was easily formed.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 09 2015 22:56 GMT
#796
In other words, I still think this is gonna be a mislynch.
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 23:09 GMT
#817
lol...

I have no words...
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 23:46 GMT
#863
On June 10 2015 08:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Fcking rekt. Well, that puts bugs as a townie in my reads. FF, why should you not be lynched next?


Because I'm town
FreezingFoot
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June 09 2015 23:47 GMT
#866
On June 10 2015 08:46 Bill Murray wrote:
pretty sure FF is mafia the way she flailed when i joked with her


Still not rsoultin
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 09 2015 23:49 GMT
#867
On June 10 2015 08:47 Kickstart wrote:
Pretty sure you are both mafia. Bussing wont help you now baddie.


K
FreezingFoot
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June 10 2015 17:41 GMT
#1012
I am back. Catching up
FreezingFoot
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June 10 2015 19:59 GMT
#1017
LOL I have no patience to catch up with this properly.

I've skimmed very quickly, and I think that bugs is town because I don't think he would come back to the thread when things weren't clear and hard push a scum partner to get him lynched.

I think tubesock isn't mafia for the way he is answering you, bugs. He is putting a lot of effort into those answers. As mafia, he wouldn't need to do that at night unless he is afraid of being a target of witchcraft. I haven't read him properly, though. He sounded townie to me on day1.

I think Bill is mafia for trying to vote Stutters right at the end. It was completely antitown and I don't see it coming from town perspective. I mean, if the lynch is decided and he thinks it's better to lynch someone and places his vote on LS, why trying to change it to the town target who is about to be modkilled? It looked to me like a failed attempt of getting a no-lynch.

I don't know what to do with batsnacks, his posts seems fluid/trollish like his normal townplay, but his vote on LS looked opportunistic to me. I can see him doing that to gain town cred (even with bill's unvote, LS had 7 votes before batsnacks got back to him). And it worked.

Kickstart was a town read but I hated his reaction post-lynch. His hypeness felt forced and he threw all his reads to make associative ones. For example, he is reading me as scum because I hard defended LS, and isn't dropping it for anything. More than that, he is completely just calling me scum without actually looking through the rest of my gameplay, without actually trying to engage in a conversation with me (like bugs is doing).
His associative reads feels very opportunistic to me, specially to call me (his townread) scum and bats totally town. Unflipped association: I can see batsnacks and kickstart being scum if Bill isn't. His reads based solely on the lynch is the easiest shit for mafia to follow on.

I think Breshke is very lackluster and has a good shot on being scum if those I've just said aren't. You can say his posts are fluid, and I agree, but I don't remember anything of importance that he did in this game. He is basically talking to people and taking no stance.

Yamato is probably town after his big post. I remember him playing as mafia. He once didn't send KP because he was disinterested in the game. I'd rather give him the benefit of doubt for now.

Shockey is completely lackluster and could still be scum.

Onegu is being Onegu. We either policy lynch him or let him live until later. I have this thing of not wanting to lynch him based on his standard gameplay as either alignment, but I did the same thing to LS. I can't read these people although I have some hints that he might be town (he is completely useless in this game, which is usually his town meta - when he is scum he actually influences the thread to the direction he wants)

PS: I also think Kickstart looks bad for looking at only that I hard defended a scum but forgetting that I tried all day long to lynch Bill who is his strongest scumread, and putting us in the same team. He is basically saying that I was hard defending my scum mate to lynch my other scum mate when the second wagon up to lynch was also town (Stutters).

I think I forgot noone.
FreezingFoot
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June 10 2015 20:05 GMT
#1025
Anyway I will keep posting as FreezingFoot for filter diving purposes
FreezingFoot
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June 10 2015 20:15 GMT
#1028
Dude you're saying that I would instantly bus BM because he would get lynched anyway. Please read this sentence again. You're not analysing things and calling me scum. You're calling me scum THEN you're misrepresenting EVERYTHING to fit your read.
FreezingFoot
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June 10 2015 20:22 GMT
#1032
-.-
FreezingFoot
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June 10 2015 20:23 GMT
#1033
On June 11 2015 05:20 Kickstart wrote:
Well sure at the moment I'm not analyzing anything because I been up 30 hours and don't care too atm. But reads remain the same from earlier anyways. bill/foot/tube scummy.


All I've read here is "maybe you're right, but here is an excuse, I'll keep calling you scum because I don't know how to proceed".
FreezingFoot
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June 11 2015 02:30 GMT
#1059
On June 11 2015 10:39 Breshke wrote:
I kinda would rather lynch tube. His stuff during the night on bugs kind of made me think he was town because it was so out there and just wrong to me. Yet when I look at it again he just doesn't reconsider and has this blind confidence that he is right. He also has zero thought about anyone else seemingly.

##Vote Tubesock

I also think it would be beneficial if people who voted kickstart for the PR thing claim so we can see if he was empowered or not.



I voted for him
FreezingFoot
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June 11 2015 02:59 GMT
#1064
On June 11 2015 11:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 11 2015 11:36 yamato77 wrote:
On June 11 2015 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Holy shit I am alive

I think mafia may have wasted a silver bullet on me

Why do you think that?


Kickstart seems like a random person to kill.

He was very suspicious of both BM and tube, but so was I. Maybe they expected me to get protted or maybe they shot us both but the one on me failed because they used the WH shot. Impossible to tell obviously but I wouldn't have put it past them


Do you really think this is what happened?
FreezingFoot
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June 11 2015 03:04 GMT
#1067
On June 11 2015 10:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Fuck it. Let's see where this get's us.

##vote Onegu


Can you tell me what are your reads right now and why you want to lynch someone completely out of discussion?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 11 2015 03:13 GMT
#1069
On June 11 2015 07:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Welp that explains Foot's play style, just like in the mini mafia I played in before, the small responses and caps lock posts late into the game. I should of seen it's definitely is town play from GB.

Foot, who do you think should be next?
Onegu, your thoughts, you haven't really said much this game which makes me worry about you at this point.


I've just saw this post.
I started believing kickstart was mafia and I would be going after him today. Turns out he is green.

Now I am reevaluating BM, I'll have to dive him again. I still have to read tube sock properly, tho.
I think you have a very good shot in being scum too. Again, your play is very lackluster in here.

I'm not sure I agree with bugs regarding Breshke. I don't think there is a town behaviour behind his posts. Could you please exemplify it for me, bugs?
FreezingFoot
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June 11 2015 03:16 GMT
#1071
On June 11 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
Also glowingfoot one of reasons for towning tube during the night is the fact that he put in effort

I know this is something you attribute to townie behavior from your coaching of me and I agree that it is townie. But when you look at what he was actually pushing I don't think it was very constructive at all. Even if he thinks bugs is mafia shouldn't there be at least some doubt in his mind? I don't see how he can be scum reading bugs so hard so it makes his lack of doubt in his read even weirder.

Also can people go back and read tube's "cheznu rule" thing he had about LS which initally made him vote bugs. At the time it felt very awkward to me because he neither townread nor scumread LS yet called him low hanging fruit and that bugs was mafia for pushing on him (i assume this is the correct interpretation of the cheznu rule). The read just seems so out of place because i still don't uncerstand how you call someone low hanging fruit (which to me basically means an easy misslynch) when you don't have a read on them. It all jsut seemed a really contrived way to try deflect off of LS.


I will have to take a look at it more in depth. Gonna do that tomorrow
But I can understand him calling LS "low hanging fruit" when null reading him. I mean, if he was a town read, he wouldn't be a low hanging fruit in the first place
FreezingFoot
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June 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#1171
On June 11 2015 14:39 The Shining wrote:
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On June 11 2015 13:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
I actually think the shining could be the missing link we are looking for

Something bothers me about the way that dude posts and it probably means he is scum.


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On June 11 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote:
On June 11 2015 14:28 yamato77 wrote:
Don't talk about WBG anymore, it's just clogging the thread with incessant arguing.

If you're town, you should look into at least one other player and give a solid read. I know you think BM is town for whatever reason but what do you think about Shockey or The Shining?


ShoCkeyy I like a lot more than The Shining. I will be fine killing The Shining until he try hards like I have seen him before. He can make good cases and contribute. I give him a D1 pass since I believe he doesn't find D1's useful without deaths. Even now though I think he is underperforming what I expect of him as town.


Lmao you two would rather kill me than each other. So who gets blamed for the mislynch? And who looks worse since you'd both be voting with your scumreads?


I was reading the thread and saw this.

This is so fucking odd. A whole discussion is going on between bugs and tube sock and the shining focuses on the faint suspicions both players had on him. He is too self aware to the point of calling this out to say he is town ("who gets blamed for the mislynch?"). It's something a town doesn't usually give a shit or aren't aware until it happens
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 11 2015 17:19 GMT
#1172
On June 11 2015 16:33 The Shining wrote:
Question still stands, though. I know I've been a bit under the radar but I was also inactive as hell D1 the scumgame I won against GB. Y u no acknowledge me this game?


LOL just saw this

I saw your big post day1 and it felt townie. I haven't cared much for you since a lot of people were looking worse than you.
The only post from you that stood out to me as scummy was the one I quoted
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 17:26 GMT
#1174
On June 11 2015 21:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Wait till tomorrow, let's see what happens. If you're right on the priest that would mean that there would be a 9/1 ratio by D3.

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 11:28 yamato77 wrote:
Is there a plan for this, Shockey?


Yes.

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On June 11 2015 12:04 FreezingFoot wrote:

Can you tell me what are your reads right now and why you want to lynch someone completely out of discussion?


You just answered your own question.


No I didn't. The bolded is a what and the question is a why.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 17:27 GMT
#1175
##Vote: Shockey
FreezingFoot
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June 11 2015 17:31 GMT
#1177
On June 12 2015 01:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shock is probably not scum can we move on


we can't.

Can you give me an example of one of his town traits that you say you've seen?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 18:13 GMT
#1184
On June 12 2015 02:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On June 12 2015 02:27 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Vote: Shockey


Just cause I was scum last game doesn't mean I'm scum this game, don't help us lose, help us win.


Dude, you asked me questions without actually having any follow up to them, and when I ask you questions you simply say I answered myself when I answered NOTHING.

Your apathy added to your initial two posts in the game fits a careless mafia perspective that does not care for the game when not up to for the lynch.

Your play in that game we played together was completely different from here. Nonetheless, you're presenting another classical scum behaviour without any signs of town traits (at least for me) here.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
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June 11 2015 18:14 GMT
#1185
On June 12 2015 03:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 12 2015 02:31 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 12 2015 01:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shock is probably not scum can we move on


we can't.

Can you give me an example of one of his town traits that you say you've seen?


try reading basically any of his posts that reply to you. also his thought process re your alignment seems genuine given what happenef after you outed yourself

also given that you think he is scum it probably means he is town


LOL you're basically confirmed town for lynching LS but you know how this sounds, right?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 18:17 GMT
#1187
On June 11 2015 21:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Wait till tomorrow, let's see what happens. If you're right on the priest that would mean that there would be a 9/1 ratio by D3.

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 11:28 yamato77 wrote:
Is there a plan for this, Shockey?


Yes.

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 12:04 FreezingFoot wrote:

Can you tell me what are your reads right now and why you want to lynch someone completely out of discussion?


You just answered your own question.


@Bugs, you're saying that the above post, for instance, is definetely coming from a townie, and I fail to see why.

If you could enlighten me with your supreme knowledge, I'd be pleased
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 18:32 GMT
#1190
On June 12 2015 03:12 batsnacks wrote:
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On June 12 2015 03:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
holy god damn shit you people need to learn to read


I'll read your ass with my foot!

I want to lynch tube or shine that's who I'm voting today. I might even make a case later.


Is it freezing?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 18:59 GMT
#1196
Well, I'm done, I'm voting Shockey.

I've being trying to get him talking to me, answering me, but he refuses to do so.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 12 2015 00:15 GMT
#1306
On June 12 2015 05:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
btw it's pretty much impossible to use meta to say anything about Shockeyy because all of his games are so old at this point

he seems to always post this little and his style is fairly similar between scum and town. However he did play at a time when post counts were much lower than they are now.

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On June 11 2015 07:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Welp that explains Foot's play style, just like in the mini mafia I played in before, the small responses and caps lock posts late into the game. I should of seen it's definitely is town play from GB.

Foot, who do you think should be next?
Onegu, your thoughts, you haven't really said much this game which makes me worry about you at this point.


This implies Shockeyy has played with GB before...

but he's only played one mini, and it was like 5 years ago. GB can you confirm you've never played with Shockey before?


He played in a game recently, I forgot the name of it. He was scum.

That's the only time we've played together. I have only one year of experience
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 12 2015 00:23 GMT
#1307
On June 12 2015 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 06:29 Breshke wrote:
WBG how did you not die? Are you not a PR or was there normal kp on you?


I am not a power role. There are 2 ways I could've lived

1. They used the Witch Hunter KP on me, and it missed
2. I ate the normal KP and someone protted me.

We can't tell the difference cause there is no RB.


There is also:

3. The possibility witch hunter hold their shot (and you guys are making his life easier)
4. The witch hunter wasn't the one who carried the KP and was roleblocked
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 12 2015 00:28 GMT
#1309
On June 12 2015 09:26 Breshke wrote:
If Yamato is not lying then both your options are impossible


Sorry, lying about what? I can't be this bad at reading
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 12 2015 00:42 GMT
#1310
On June 12 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:
I think it's Shockey/BM

I tracked BM to both kickstart and WBG, so obviously he's the witch hunter and there are no silver bullets left.

Shockey's read on BM is horrid and overall his reads aren't quite up to par with how I feel even a newb town would be looking at the game.


Oh LOL

Why are we even discussing this?

##Unvote
##Vote: Bill Murray


My witchcraft votes were kickstart, tube sock and yamato
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 12 2015 00:45 GMT
#1311
By the way, I JKed bugs
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 06:56 GMT
#1416
Meh, nevermind, I was going to try to play against the odds an win the game but it would be very demanding and almost impossible + I don't think my team deserves the effort, so I concede
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 06:57 GMT
#1417
Yes, I am the last mafia
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:28 GMT
#1422
On June 13 2015 16:11 Breshke wrote:
GG GB, I think you had basically everyone fooled and under different circumstances it would have been very difficult to catch you.


Thanks dude GG
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:29 GMT
#1424
On June 13 2015 16:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:12 Kickstart wrote:
He didn't have me fooled! ^^
GG town.


gj I was rereading why you might've died and I kept wondering about FF hahaha

Kept convincing myself I was wrong for various reason or another


He died because we didn't send night actions properly

Breshke or yamato were going to die and the silver bullet would be held

BM wanted batsnacks dead but I said no lol
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:49 GMT
#1431
"as scum this game lightningstrike and i were very coordinated but glowingbear was not wanting to work with us at all and wouldnt agree to not make cases on us D1

hope im never scum with him again."

Dude, BM, it seems your coordination was great since you guys were able to survive all game long, right?
The only reason this game lasted only two days is because you are a total douche.

I've made no case day1. Your plan was to lurk? To push the scummiest agenda possible? You ducking wanted me to vote bugs after his activity day1?

It's incredible how bad you can be as either alignment. I can understand LS having no motivation to play, but you are in another level of badness and dickiness
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:50 GMT
#1433
On June 13 2015 16:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
holy shit FF were you voted for witchcraft day 1


Yes I was. And I was about to claim I roleblocked Bill if it wasn't for yamato's track
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:52 GMT
#1435
On June 13 2015 16:46 Kickstart wrote:
Yeh I had voted FF as my #1 lol, I tried to vote people that werent too obvious so they wouldnt get silver bulleted but I should have changed that vote close to EoD when I was pretty sure he was scum, o well.


Sorry, "pretty sure" is not what you actually were

The idea that "no mafia would be this bold to defend a scum partner" was very present in thread
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:54 GMT
#1437
On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


^ this

You actually made things very easy to me in early day 1 with this, bugs.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:58 GMT
#1440
On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already


Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point.

In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 07:59 GMT
#1442
On June 13 2015 16:58 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I was not buying that they bussed their silver bullet, makes zero sense. How you read my EoD and Night Phase postings and dont see that I found you suspicious is beyond me.


Being suspicious =\= pretty sure

Doesn't mean you were wrong
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:00 GMT
#1443
On June 13 2015 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:58 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him

On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already


Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point.

In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons


except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol

they had no specificity to them


Yes, but this has nothing to do with the smurf matter?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:05 GMT
#1445
On June 13 2015 16:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:54 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


^ this

You actually made things very easy to me in early day 1 with this, bugs.


why?

I really don't understand why this is such a controversial opinion. I think I did my best to show why it was in town's best interest to either get something out of you, whether it be an identity or reads. We got absolutely nothing and yet people still considered you town

I only backed off because people disagreed with me. Generally when so many people disagree with me I start convincing myself that I am wrong. I did not like what you posted but I gave it a rest because it was destroying the thread. That's why I started calling you bad, because if so many people disagreed with me I thought you must be an idiot townie who I should start ignoring for having bad opinions.

It's good that I picked up on LS otherwise I would've started tunneling some poor townie like stutters

also it was definitely NOT a policy lynch. It was pressure based on being a smurf and I didn't like the direction you took after the pressure


The problem with this argument is that you see it objectively (knowing his identity is beneficial to town; thus not revealing it is a scum agenda), but ignores it subjectively (this guy has reasons to smurf that can go beyond his team's goals)

When you start forcing this matter, it gets easier for me to defend myself (you see, everybody understood you but nobody agreed with you), plus it gives me a easy reason to scum read you.

Now, I thought about going aggressively against you. But it was too easy. I took a step back and I started thinking of how I would react as town. And that was not going full throttle that early. It was to read you slowly and slowly forming my opinion on you. I thought this would grant me town points.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:10 GMT
#1447
On June 13 2015 17:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway it's something interesting. I obviously don't agree with the conclusion of the other people in this game that smurfs should be treated the same as other townies. I think that type of thinking can potentially be really dangerous. Perhaps some people smurf for "obvious" reasons but it's valuable to understand those motivations because identity is like literally the most important thing in this game when you don't have better things to work with. Someone who is named Foolishness should be punished for having shitty reads, but if you don't know that they are Foolishness (or cannot get enough info out of them to understand that they should potentially be a strong player) then you are at a huge disadvantage when attempting to read them

e:

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 17:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:58 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him

On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already


Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point.

In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons


except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol

they had no specificity to them


Yes, but this has nothing to do with the smurf matter?


yes, it does.

Some people just don't have specificity in their reads when they are town, because they have bad reads in general. With those types of players if you know that (and the only way you'd know that is by reading their town games) you can adjust your read of them based on that.

After having read some of your town games I know you may be wrong sometimes but you at least give reasons for your reads. Your reasons this game either didn't exist or they sucked (and by sucked I mean the thought process made close to 0 sense from a town perspective) but without knowing your identity I had no idea whether that was normal or not

So the only gauge I had was other people disagreeing with me so I backed off

smurfing is powerful as fuck when you land scum.


Meh, I can't argue against this because as those reads were mine, I can't see the problems in them.

The thing is that I don't really believe you would have caught me. As you said, you were progressively townreading me, while the others followed the opposite path (like kickstart), which means your townread on me wasn't only for people yelling at you.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:15 GMT
#1449
On June 13 2015 17:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
yes, obviously convincing people is harder than forming the read. which is why I'm actually trying to show how it can almost never be beneficial for the TEAM for a person to smurf.

When people actually understand this they'll stop giving a fuck if smurfing has "benefits that go beyond his team's goals" which is a fancier way of saying "smurfing benefits the player themselves." That's exactly my overarching point, in like 99% of cases smurfing only benefits the individual player. Town play is entirely team-based, which is why it's almost never in town's interest to have a smurf.

e: also if you have personal interests in smurfing and you don't want to reveal you identity that's generally fine, as I mentioned in-game. Your reaction was solely based on identity though, which was very telling. Since you lacked proper reads that led me further into believing you were scum.

Again the problem was convincing other people, which is so incredibly hard. I've found it's easier to convince them emotionally which is usually why I get people to mislynch into randoms when I play scum. As town for whatever reason I find it really hard to do that because it's hard to use emotion while simultaneously having high confidence you have a scum lynch. Basically what happens is if you lynch the wrong dude you end up dying yourself because you so persuasively told everyone some poor townie was scum


But here is something you're ignoring: yamato instantly townread me because he got to known I was GB and I had wrong reads.

Revealing myself was better to me than to town.

Your argument is too objective. You're just saying that with a smurf you have one less instrument for reading a player: meta.

But meta can work for both sides, as I just said about yamato's townread on me.

IMO: biggest problem of a smurf is when it lurks. And if I kept lurking, you were totally right for wanting to lynch me. But if I kept my activity high, wanting to lynch me at EOD because you didn't know my identity is silly. IMO
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:19 GMT
#1452
On June 13 2015 17:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
I actually wasn't really paying attention to kickstart, which is why I mentioned to him that I went back and read his posts after he died lol.

Anyway the interesting part to me is that convincing other people as scum is fairly easy because you don't have to worry about being wrong. Well, you can worry about being wrong but worrying about being wrong will usually get you killed because you'll start to show it in your posts.

As town though you have to constantly worry if you are wrong which makes it hard to convince people to vote with you. You can't use emotional appeals because if you end up being wrong you'll look like an idiot and people will try to lynch you (and then you get further away from finding scum)

I really admire those players who can simultaneously find scum and convince townies to vote with them cause that job is so hard

thanks to BH and HtS for hosting and dealing with shenanigans


That's why I backtracked on you. I thought giving you a day1 pass would grant me town reads. Like, you were the biggest fikter after all.

But I was aiming for a no lynch. I was VERY surprised when LS's lynch really got traction. So good job lynching him
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:24 GMT
#1455
All I'm trying to say, bugs, is that although you played very well (aside being a dick to people ) is that I was townread by my own merits and not just because you were yelled at.

Also, there was a post of yours saying something like "well, he could have gambled and tried to save his partner AND looking not-scum because scum would never be so bold"

That was like... Soul reading hahahaha
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:28 GMT
#1459
On June 13 2015 17:23 yamato77 wrote:
looooooooool my night WIFOM worked

tbf though BH didn't tell me I had won until just a few hours before deadline LOL

sick plays were made that night




Boy I wanted you dead

You were the first person I thought that had witchcraft. Then I moved to Breshke and Kickstart. I could never believe on batsnacks

That mafia QT is a shame though. Game was totally winnable after LS died, specially if we followed my plan.

But well, whatever.

Btw BH, that voting plan is very game breaking. Maybe letting scum voting for people too? I don't know
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:29 GMT
#1460
On June 13 2015 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
Eh I townread you because I was lazy

TBH I really didn't read much you posted all game because it was more difficult to decipher than I cared

I did consider the possibility you were mafia after we saw the voting results because I sorta had reasons to townread Onegu and Shockey and you had basically stopped posting but I still would have checked Onegu over you.


Difficult to decipher?
Like... Bad spelling?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:32 GMT
#1463
Your mom is difficult to decipher
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:37 GMT
#1465
Well, not being 100% town is exactly the status I want to reach, but I admit I thought I was looking better than you guys are saying I was here in post game
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:39 GMT
#1467
On June 13 2015 17:35 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 17:29 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 13 2015 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
Eh I townread you because I was lazy

TBH I really didn't read much you posted all game because it was more difficult to decipher than I cared

I did consider the possibility you were mafia after we saw the voting results because I sorta had reasons to townread Onegu and Shockey and you had basically stopped posting but I still would have checked Onegu over you.


Difficult to decipher?
Like... Bad spelling?

Just weird formatting/sentence structure/diction. As a non-native speaker you don't type English in quite the same way and it takes more effort to grasp your meaning. Not a lot, just enough for it to be annoying when I'm tired.

Plus a lot of your filter was pretty bad and ragey so I have even less motivation to try to understand what you were saying. I was relying on lazy and bad meta admittedly but I wasn't that convinced you were town anyway because I knew I was being lazy with my read.


I see

:/ I don't know how to get my sentences better, though
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:39 GMT
#1468
I blame Bill
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 13 2015 08:48 GMT
#1475
Btw, I think masoning is basically a scum claim in this setup
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