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This setup is way more epic, and simple, at the same time You know what they say about the KISS method Keep it simple, stupid | ||
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vote: The Shining | ||
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There are a few important facts about this game First, this is Reverse Mafia. The good guys are bad, and the bad guys are good. I feel that this brings a couple things into the equation 1) It should make me a valuable player, considering we basically have a scum-style-town 2) scumhunting becomes a little different; people who are bad may have a superiority complex | ||
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I don't really agree with you on the matter, however Here's why: Given that this guy is playing on an alt, his meta is going to be like this. There is absolutely no way I see him as scum as a result. He, if anything, is my strongest townread. Right behind him is Kickstart. The person I'm finding looking bad from all of this is batsnacks. He is parroting your arguments and buddying you. | ||
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vote: batsnacks batsnacks "backtracks" | ||
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noted but not unvoting sorry | ||
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##vote: WBG | ||
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ad hominem is a logical fallacy and indicative of scum considering his scumandeering near my entrance in the game, the two damning qualities of these, coupled with my liking of batsnacks responses to me, are why my vote is where it is are you unhappy that i'm voting someone who is worthy of a policy lynch considering the way he is treating you? | ||
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I guarantee LightningStrike is going to vote you now, for instance | ||
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Guy is trying to steer the thread and needs lynched | ||
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1) ad hominem he directly attacks FF instead of her argument, and then does so again with LS 2) scumandeering he is trying to push forth mislynches and it is painfully obvious he is doing so, since it's with terrible reasoning that he is fully disguising 3) misrepresentation he is trying to say I said he was town whenever I was saying I know he has to be mafia due to my meta on him 4) Meta I have played with WBG a lot. This is not how he acts as town. Guy needs to be lynched; he's scum 100% 5) Policy If all of these reasons don't sway you, consider voting him for committing logical fallacy | ||
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On June 09 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote: also please. too early for that kind of pressure? That's literally the only time of game you can do that stuff, because there is literally nothing else to do. this game is still slow as hell despite my attempts to stir discussion. Half the town hasn't voted and there are like 3 people who have either not posted or have barely posted. It's demoralizing. look at this post for instance it is so fake it SCREAMS scum | ||
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He is definitely not town this game Are you even reading? On June 09 2015 08:48 Bill Murray wrote: Case on WBG: 1) ad hominem he directly attacks FF instead of her argument, and then does so again with LS 2) scumandeering he is trying to push forth mislynches and it is painfully obvious he is doing so, since it's with terrible reasoning that he is fully disguising 3) misrepresentation he is trying to say I said he was town whenever I was saying I know he has to be mafia due to my meta on him 4) Meta I have played with WBG a lot. This is not how he acts as town. Guy needs to be lynched; he's scum 100% 5) Policy If all of these reasons don't sway you, consider voting him for committing logical fallacy | ||
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On June 09 2015 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote: How many games is "a lot", BM? Give me a number. scumposting | ||
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On June 09 2015 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: ROFL going to ignore you now. I would suggest everyone else do the same scum^ batsnacks you really want to defend someone who is flailing this much?? | ||
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he is picking up shit with his bare hand and flinging it on both me and FF | ||
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On June 09 2015 11:27 yamato77 wrote: I mean, calling people bad is not a scum tell. ad hominem is, as is misrepresentation, flailing, scumandeering/the way he is spotlighting this game, and my meta on him he is much nicer as town, so while you may say "this is a policy lynch, BM", it isn't just a policy lynch he is very likely scum | ||
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If you're not buddying him, and especially those who are voting him, are getting negative points from him/he's flinging shit/flailing at them He is a part of a generation of players that were run off from here; he is a condescending player, especially as scum this is his scum game 110% | ||
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On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o you're an idiot | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:05 Breshke wrote: To further the LS thing I believe he has trouble like posting in succession in the thread. This game he seems fine when he is being reactive like responding to questions from people but his own questions feel really forced and not going anywhere like he is posting stuff just to post stuff. if you're saying LS = scum I could see it but I think he's misguided town | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote: Could you give me an example of the bolded, I don't see it. Also this is my point you say he is a condescending player so why is this scum condescending and not town condescending. from my experience with WBG he tends to lurk a lot more as town, and will pop up to be helpful. He isn't condescending in the least. This is sheer flailing and something that I haven't seen from him before. He's saying I don't see how he acts as scum.. well him acting like a crybaby is new to me, so that must be his scum meta my case on him is more deductive reasoning and seeing if something would stick than anything. Granted, a page ago, when he posted what he did, it has me kind of wanting to come off my vote... but the feeling that he is likely scum is just too much. I don't want to let someone like this get away with this. He can act condescending all he wants, and say "when have you ever caught me as scum", but this guy never roles scum here for me to have a meta on. TL;DR I know his town meta; and this isn't it | ||
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I'm not coming off my wagon. This guy is acting like a big baby. If he's not scum, I'm completely OK with this lynch merely on policy, to be honest | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote: Okay so what do you think about LS reading his past games and coming to the opposite conclusion to you? I get you said he is misguided town but I don't see why this hasn't been discussed between you two yet. I actually agree with a lot of WBG reads and still don't reall see the problem with the wording but that isn't really something I pick up on. So if you want to handhold me through it that would be great. then why arent you voting WBG? My view on LS is from the last few games I've played with him. I've gotten to see him in numerous roles. I feel like he's new to reserve mafia. On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: wherebugsgo 1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule. 2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks? 3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch. 4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!" 5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. townposting strongtown tubesock take notes you guys On June 09 2015 13:46 Tubesock wrote: Also, I don't care who the smurf is. There is another instance where smurfing is beneficial to this town. We tend to rely a lot on meta. So, what happens when someone's meta is do nothing town, but try hard mafia and they want to change that? Or a chance to see if they can. Like, I'd lynch Onegu in an instant if he try harded. what about the opposite? On June 09 2015 13:58 The Shining wrote: Well this is awkward. I thought this game started today, not yesterday. I've read pretty much everything, just want to dive filters now, since I started glazing over a lot during the whole smurf debate and feel like I could've missed stuff. Overall, if WBG is seriously BMing("joining the lurkers) over his case being attacked and being scummed when he's been adamant and ad hominem/has been condescending is pretty inconsistent. Like you're calling players scum AND bad. Why can you dish the heat and not take it? I only have WBG as possible town because I don't think scum would continue rolling with that so hard and then continue pushing other things and conversation in the thread. And I've also had times I've BMd as town over activity levels and attacks but...I'm also not nearly as abrasive. I'm not 100% sure WBG is town but I think he's not the best lynch for today. I never know how to read LS. I'm not sure I even want to bother trying this game. Every time I do, I just get scummed in return, regardless of whether I deduce he's scum or town lol. But for right now, I could lynch him. First page of filter is a few one liners, some wishy washy stuff and emoticons. And some of those one liners were questions he never followed up on or took anywhere(the questioning Stutters AND Shockey, two "lurkers"). But they haven't even been on to reply so it's NAI. I'll give him a very slight town lean for now for being willing to post past games and stepping it up once the game moved on from the smurf debate. Don't lynch Yamato. That's pretty simple, right? I was worried that Terrorblade comment would be his only post but that big analysis post, although a bit hard on the eyes, looked pretty good. At worst, it's a good townie looking at WBG and LS objectively. At worst, it's scum misdirection in a HUGE post that can be revisited later, but I really don't think that's the case. I think BM could flip scum here. He opens with voting me, presumably as pressure to get me to post, but he leaves it up for about an hour, if that. Seems like a really odd way to pressure vote and without posting to that point, I'm not sure what else I would've been voted for. Then he puts up a semi-serious? vote on Bats. Buddying WBG. Clearly says not unvoting. Next post? Unvotes. Votes WBG. Yes, he explains WHY he's voting and going after WBG but prior to that, there were 2 rather unexplained votes, including a clear indication that he wouldn't move. What changed? BM, explain? What are you reading bats as now? FreezingFoot. Funny thing is, I found myself having the same thought regarding WBG's entrance. Trying hard to look town, asking who is "good", etc. I feel like it is a genuine reaction if I reacted the same way. But I've already explained that later things WBG did make it harder for me to believe he's scum. But I also like Freezing's later questioning of Shockey. 2nd time he posted something I was thinking while reading. And I subscribe to the "two D1 contributors going at each other hard are usually town" theory so I won't lynch FF or WBG today. Freezing town. Onegu very slight scum lean for not claiming VT and then pointing it out himself. It's like he realized he broke his meta because he isn't town but he turned it into a joke to trivialize it. Note that in acknowledging he didn't claim VT, he proceeded to not claim VT. So he's not VT. Easiest read ever. The list post was a bit underwhelming, too, but since I took that word from his own filter, I can't judge it very much. Can't chalk him up to much more than a null right now. Shockeyy. I can't say anything about him until he answers FreezingFoot's questions. But even those 2 posts were inconsistent. Policy lynch with a gut scum feeling. Stutters doesn't do D1. But even as for as not doing D1, the level of activity for him is bad. He likes FF. Is going to try and post more. I could lynch if he doesn't at least try to get SOMETHING out before EoD. Tubesock is town side of null. The entrance is ok but I'm parroting WBG's spreadsheet here. It could be nothing or it could be something but I also picked up on him knowing FF was a girl. But I don't remember seeing FF confirm that. But I have FF in my town pile so meh. Bats I like for town. The few times I've played with him, he's been a bit sporadic but his questioning have clear trains of thought and I liked the picking up on Tube/FF female thing. It shows he's actively reading and has an interest in solving the game. Breshke is slight town pile for now. He was willing to reassess his read and vote on FF but he did it in a well thought out and explained post, not just a "oh I got caught trying to jump on a wagon, let me backtrack" kind of manner. He's also actively questioning. Not a good lynch today. Kickstart is town town town. General rule of thumb. Don't lynch the larger filters on D1, since you can come back to them instead of destroying all activity in the game and letting lurking scum win. Kickstart's early posts felt a bit odd but it seems he was just playing into the flavor and getting discussion going. Since then, he's been looking at everything in thread, from WBG - FF to Breshke's vote to commenting on everyone who has posted. can you not use the term "bming" if youre going to use the acronym to talk about me? also your read on me is shit are you implying I don't RVS as town because that's utter bullshit | ||
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i am indifferent towards the smurf thing. who cares who freezingfoot is. who cares if it's a guy or a girl. i'm going to call her her until i hear otherwise because i think it's rsoultin. does it matter? no. stop it, guys, for real. | ||
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On June 10 2015 02:21 Half the Sky wrote: Day 1 Vote Count wherebugsgo (3): Bill Murray, ShoCkeyy, Tubesock LightningStrike (2): wherebugsgo, Yamato77, Onegu Onegu (2): Breshke, Kickstart ShoCkeyy (2): FreezingFoot, batsnacks Not voted (3): The Shining, Stutters695, LightningStrike, Currently, no one is set to be lynched! Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Remember to vote in thread, and cast withcraft votes via PM Failure to vote in either category will result in a modkill. that votecount has at least 1 error | ||
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On June 09 2015 15:01 Kickstart wrote: But Onegu admitted to being scum team. where? | ||
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@BM I think it doesn't benefit town as much if a player with a strong town rep wants to smurf and play lazy. Other than they will survive (OH MY GOD I MUST KNOW FOOT IS A HYDRA!!!!) night 1. Course I kinda think that they won't be able to help themselves and still solve the game D2/3 which is also good for town. i agree with this 90% but im kinda confused can you rewords this On June 10 2015 02:42 The Shining wrote: Fair point, Bill. I like my BM acronym for people who BM. So you're Bill now. Better? And no, I'm not implying you don't random vote as town. I'm implying that you yourself said your Bats vote was a rather serious one, which implies it isn't random. Are you implying that it was in fact random when you called it serious? You're more concerned with being one of my scumreads than the content of any of my other reads. K. I'm not lynching LS or WBG today. Onegu isn't defending himself or doing particularly much. And I'm with Freezing, I don't understand what exactly Shockey was trying to say in his post and him not being around to explain it is no good. For now. Subject to change. ##Vote: Shockeyy it wasnt random my first was RVS im considering switching my vote. i really like shockey though... dont really wnat to vote him for meta reasons.. hes one of my strongest townreads | ||
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this is the best ive ever seen him play | ||
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On June 09 2015 02:15 Stutters695 wrote: I like FF. His points are solid and currently I could get down with a WBG lynch from it. At work, but going to try and post more. could be an associative with freezingfootscum | ||
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stutters is a much better alternative considering his lurking style vote: stutters | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:27 FreezingFoot wrote: No, really. BM scumreads bugs with me BM ignores the townie points I've brought on bugs BM townreads Shockey out of NOTHING and wants to lynch coinflip stutters instead BM scumreads me, who was scumreading bugs (his main scum read) out of a stupid association with STUTTERS. Please. Vote this guy. It's ridiculous i dont scumread you for that let me iso you and bring up point by point why you're obvious scum to me | ||
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(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player) 2) excuses (bottom of page 2) 3) admitting to scumskimming (same post at end of page 2 of your filter) On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Shockey I've being extremely busy today. Just got home. Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all. 4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning it's like your reasoning is merely a facade | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:29 batsnacks wrote: BM thinks this is the best shockey has ever played. You're the meta master what do you say about that? couple that with shockeyy has stated (PREGAME) that he wont be around to post much the argument "well he's not posting as much as he normally does" is utter bullshit the guy is posting gems when he does post | ||
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vote: freezingfoot | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:35 FreezingFoot wrote: Wow. Can you get any worse than this? All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before. Lol you're scum. its the excuse to leave and the way you "did a quick skim of the thread" Town doesnt skim, they read. | ||
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or frozenfoot | ||
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and if hes town its worthy of policy but it's not what I know it's what I can convince you all to do with me Super town: Batsnacks Yamato Breshke Tubesock slight town: Onegu LightningStrike Kickstart Shockeyy Scum: WBG FrozenFeet Stutters I may be forgetting someone from this list but this is where I'm at on this game | ||
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On June 10 2015 04:55 The Shining wrote: Yeah BM you forgot me. youre in my super town list i had remembered you... why wouldnt i.... i must have made an error when i was moving people around from the playerlist On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote: I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch. I agree with this but I'm happy with LS this game... dont see why people aren.t On June 10 2015 05:06 batsnacks wrote: Also we need 7 votes LS is a great lynch if all else fails. why? ##unvote; ##vote: stutters lets just go with this. he has been just prod dodging | ||
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On June 10 2015 05:10 batsnacks wrote: Also what are you doing parrot man I see you there. cacaw | ||
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On June 10 2015 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote: how's that for insulting that WASNT directed towards you it was directed towards LS | ||
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im definitely willing to vote him he has been #1 on my scumlist the entire game for the way he has been aggressively acting he lurks and tries not to get nightkilled as town this is not the way that he plays unvote; ##vote: WhereBugsGo | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote: if he were town he'd already be dead. there's no way this much resistance would be present. there was resistance to your wagon so youre basically admitting youre scum LOL gg rekt | ||
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something he wouldnt know because all he does is commit logical fallacy | ||
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the one post stutters made will look bad on frozenfeet if he flips mafia | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:07 wherebugsgo wrote: I want to lynch Bill too. But let's talk about Shockey. He's probably not scum, and even if he is he's definitely not a good lynch today. his entrance into the thread was pretty good, and in particular his reaction here: in particular the bolded-the tone of posting and the indignance with which he defends himself is not a scum trait. I don't think he's the best bet to be scum after he responded like that. I don't get the way you're treating me this game I am definitely not among the 3 worst players on this forum. Perhaps at one time, sure. If anything, I am in the top 5% of players on this forum now. I am 29 years old, a college graduate, and own my own home now. I am much more level headed than I used to be. Back in the day, I would have easily gotten banned for the things you've been doing. How is you posting memes, using ad hominem, or stating "X is scum" good play? Since I analyzed your spreadsheet, and you touted me as a good player, how come you're backtracking off of that? You know I'm capable of carrying games, don't act like you don't. I actually have you as a slight townlean but I know you can probably be someone with a chance of masking your play | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: aww I'm sowwy Bill Murray can we be friends now? dont be a smartass | ||
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##vote: Stutters695 | ||
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but you are actually town so i understand why youre doing this | ||
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##vote: lightningstrike | ||
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I dont really scumread bugs, I was trying to get information I have to ignore cases for/against him until he puts out more information. The spreadsheet was great, but he threatened to not play here anymore. I was hoping he came back because I really enjoy having someone like that in the town with me. I townread shockeyy for a good reason. I have played with him more than anyone else has here so I am definitely the meta master when it comes to him. my meta on WBG, however, was contrived, as I don't have a reference to him playing scum. He has always been someone who has been hard for me to read except when he is blue and I nightkill him as mafia (which ive done numerous times because it's obvious to me when he has a power role [he lurks more than he is here], as opposed to how he is acting right now, as vanilla town who im voting to get a power tonight... i mean he could be a miller but thats still vanilla and i dont think millers are self aware this game) I didnt ever scumread you. I said "^scumposting" as a joke; it wasn't even to get a reaction out of you. The association thing with stutters came afterwards and that is actually very serious. I could see you being scum if he is scum, unless he was trying to buddy you on a WBG lynch. If Stutters is mafia it clears WBG although WBG doesnt need clearing considering he made that awesome spreadsheet. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote: Really? Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too! Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours? At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum. This is actually a very good point. If you've done extra work on our behalf, kudos. You seem like the best town player on this website. Holyflare is overrated, so please, by all means, stick around and take the reigns. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:45 batsnacks wrote: I don't know what you're talking about here you will have explain better if this isn't just some weird rhetoric. that's not weird rhetoric. It's actually very logical. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:46 Kickstart wrote: Bill don't tell who you vote to get powers. Christ. Mafia has 2 silver bullets they can use anytime to instakill ppl who got powers through the witchcraft votes. kickstart, you really think it isn't obvious WBG is going to get powers? | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:48 Kickstart wrote: so now im your top scum read along with lurkers? rofl i didnt say you were my top scum read, i said i would be ok lynching you | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:48 FreezingFoot wrote: Fuck this After LS flips green, lynch BM and if he flips red, lynch bugs for calling him mafia but refusing with all his guys to lynch Bill | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:48 Kickstart wrote: So you are being willfully retarded opposed to accidentally being retarded? Noted. so you're being willfully a dick instead of accidentally being a dick? Noted. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote: obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong. A toneread is better than an overall metaread, wouldn't you agree, WBG? On June 10 2015 07:50 Kickstart wrote: Indeed I am. it's okay. I was just rxn testing you. I don't think you're scum. | ||
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what's your problem? how is this unhelpful? explain. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:51 Kickstart wrote: Anyways, if LS flips red we for sure kill into foots/bats. Foots would be best target, then a tossup between bill/bats I guess. Why me? | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:51 batsnacks wrote: Even if I'm wrong I am your greatest ally because I am HARD DEFENDING him with reckless abandon and willing to lynch ANYONE in his place. you are like a public defender at this point ... you are basically worthless for the defense because he's fucked not that you're worthless, you're still acting as his lawyer, which takes balls/skill | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote: Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers. scum get a vote to pick powers too dude | ||
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what he means to say is he's willing to lynch ANYONE else other than, say, you... possibly me as well | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway not gonna post for a bit because I need to draft up the night post for my own game. pls no voteswitch i'm not unvoting, but if he flips green, i'm voting you tomorrow | ||
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##vote stutters | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I just going to vote to save myself ##Unvote Vote: Bill Murray this is town play | ||
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self preservation = town id rather a no lynch than lynch town | ||
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shrekt good job bugs!! | ||
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On June 10 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote: You may speak at night. ok thx | ||
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you didnt update my section butthole | ||
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what i was saying was rhetorical though | ||
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i never get d1 wagons on me as scum | ||
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^scum | ||
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Now that that is out of the way, I feel like FF has slipped. On Numerous occasions, there are times where she has been saying something like "X is town" without any qualifiers. This is a JEEP tell. if someone successfully guesses their scumbuddy, assuming she is scum with LS, as this becomes more and more obvious, at the end of the phase, FF was fairly against voting LS. She pushed WBG, she pushed me, and seemed to flip flop on anyone that was not LS. It was quite fishy. FF also OMGUSED WBG early on in the game. Town can OMGUS, but I don't think this was the town sort of OMGUS. This seemed like it had scum motivation. WBG was hardpushing her, and she didn't really want to go down without a fight. This is when I gave her an opportunity. I took over the reigns of pushing WBG>this let her back off, and attack anyone else who called her scum. She sees no motivation from me to back off WBG and push her the way I am now, but like I've said, my WBG push was reaction based. I wasn't taking it past the first day, even without the spreadsheet (that spreadsheet was magnificent by the way) Given the way LS didn't scumread anyone, where is the reasoning for FF to not have voted him? I can see why you guys think I'm scum, because I backed off of my vote, but I would ask of you to let me live a little bit longer because I really want to play as town | ||
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how about you just lynch me tomorrow instead? You lynch me tomorrow, and when I flip VT you are lynched the next day, deal? | ||
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believe it or not, i am quite good at analyzing votes relating to who has to be mafia ... the difference here is that it is hard to do that where it's not instant majority. in instant majority, i can use deductive reasoning to see who could have blitzed potentially. here it takes a little more analysis of the final votecount. lets think of the lynch we had on LS. there were only like 3-4 people that werent voting him. Me, batsnacks, freezingfoot, and tubesock there will be 1 mafia in there batsnacks is likely town other than the last minute voteswitch which was scummy so that leaves 50-50 between tubesock and freezingfoot tubesock buddied me pretty hard, but i still have to trust my gut and go with freezingfoot the other scum will likely be in the list of people who were voting LS. I'm not counting batsnacks on the list because he changed his vote when it was irrelevant If you look at the remaining 8 players The Shining, WBG, and Yamato scream town to me. That leaves, like, Onegu, Breshke, Shockeyy, and Kickstart Onegu would be tryharding more as scum Breshke is really hard for me to read - null Shockeeyy I think is town for meta reasons that leaves Kickstart who I've toyed around with the idea of being scum So to me scum are Kickstart and FrozenFeet | ||
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you need to quit spamming honestly | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote: I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it i changed my vote because i fucked up On June 10 2015 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote: stop using shit that's not alignment indicative to indicate things of alignment! being dumb, aggressive, passive, lurky, active, none of these are alignment indicative by themselves. They paint a picture in context of other things. If BM is scum he himself knows he doesn't have a vote, and "acting dumb" is fucking easy. All he has to do is say that scum get a vote and some idiot townie will come along and say he's town because he doesn't know scum don't get votes. I don't know why people fall into this trap over and over and over but it's exactly the reason that mafia players on this mafia only need to be 10% as good as townies to do anything remotely "amazing" why do you try to discredit me in every single post you make about me? if you're not saying "bm is scum" with 0 reasoning, you're trying to darken every towntell I make there's no reason you shouldn't be seeing the light about why I'm a good guy this game On June 10 2015 09:20 batsnacks wrote: If my vote change at the last minute is irrelevant than why does it make me scummy? Also my bat-senses are telling me that tube is mafia. it doesn't; wbg likes to misrepresent people and be in the spotlight it's not out of the realm of possibility he was bussing on D1 On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote: I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info glad someone else realizes he is spotlighting it'd be nice to get a check on WBG tonight to clear up any potential big time plays he could be making On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote: this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum. Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle. In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage. Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks. DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters. this statement in this post reiterates what im saying. WBG = bad town, WBG plays well D1, nabs scum WBG=scum thats why i think he could have been bussing. he's basically confirming that suspicion. I still have reason to townread him and I want to believe it but i'd like to scry him tonight to see what's shaken On June 10 2015 09:32 Kickstart wrote: Nice try. So which is it. Am I scum or not scum. Also I don't put much trust in your "reads", nor should anyone else. Your nice list post (which I almost always read as scummy- lost posts with nothing), was blatantly wrong on stutters and probably wbg, might be right on foot but I think you are bussing so whatever. Of course you were wrong on LS as well. But then you are as wishy washy on FF as you are with everything else so. You are just keeping options opens and potential "outs" for yourself, scum play. Wrong again. More wishywashiness on foot. Keeping your options open instead of committing; scum mentality. I bet you would, scum. You aren't unvoting aye? Nice lies. No it isn't. Said you wouldnt voteswitch did it anyways and the target you switched off of was scum. wrong again probably more lies. Just concede already scum. How is flip flopping scum behavior? Scum have perfect knowledge of the game, something is wrong with this post I said I'm not going to change my vote, and then changed my vote, so what? Have you not ever bluffed before? It's not lying. Get over yourself. On June 10 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote: You, accusing someone of posting pointless things, how funny. Thought I told you to concede alrdy scum? dude can you stop being a twit? first off im not scum second off if i was scum i wouldnt concede On June 10 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote: And it doesn't take more than a few oneliners to sum you up. Watch me do it in one word: useless nice ad hominem thats not scummy or anything On June 10 2015 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote: just ignore BM dude you're so polite WBG i bet you're a hit at parties oh wait with an attitude like that you're never invited | ||
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On June 10 2015 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't understand why everyone is so against each other when a few of us clearly know who town is, but yet ignoring this. Tube is probably mafia, his LS read was shit. Also Foot's answer to my question was shit too. yeah it's pretty baffling how rude some people have been to me this game | ||
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On June 10 2015 10:23 Breshke wrote: it annoys me that you put more effort into replying to posts from people saying to ignore you than ones where im actually trying to work out your allighnment. How did you fuck up and why did it make you switch your vote? i was saying i fucked up in switching my vote at all im not the best scumhunter and it sucks but hey at least we lynched scum | ||
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this is what WBG and yamato look like right now, except gayer | ||
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i read your whole iso a couple hours ago and every place you mention me is tinged with doubt | ||
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On June 11 2015 05:07 Kickstart wrote: But to summarize I explained that if scum saw Bill on their team they just bus him regardless because it is only a matter of time before he gets lynched so you get free town cred. tubes I said was scummy before eod1 and you and bill looked the worst after the lynch. Don't see anything confusing in any of that. You reading me as being too enthusiastic or whatever is just you misreading me. Also just so you can read this when you come to check the thread and see that you're dead I have carried so many games here as scum it's not funny ive been elected godfather by my team numerous times the FIRST game i was EVER scum I had INCOGNITO on my fucking team and I was elected godfather over him and guess what? I mopped up the fucking town. the first mini I was ever in? Mafia. Talked Pyrruloxia and Ace into getting lynched It's not what you know, it's what you can convince people you know I'm just rusty right now, and town, so I'm sucking ass this game | ||
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his LS vote felt off to me he also had a really bad reaction to when the lynch went through that felt forced furthermore he is pushing me so admittedly there is a little bias here but vote: The Shining | ||
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##vote: yamato | ||
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##vote: freezingfoot | ||
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we didnt think he was gonna get lynched we also didnt think WBG was coming back. which is why everyone unvoted him. threatening to leave the site altogether was a really good move on his part; his reads were amazing too WBG is the best town player ive played vs in awhile a couple problems i had with the game: cycle ended at 7pm instead of 8pm (est) which threw me off. I come on at like 7:02 thinking i was going to be able to change my bullet from WBG to batsnacks... newp. also, the majority lynch thing threw me off, but both of these issues were based on my personal play | ||
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basically we could have been at MYLO with 3 kills in 2 nights or something similar assuming 2 mislynches | ||
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