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FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:20 GMT
#431
Tubesock, Kickstart, Breshke, can you give thoughts on what I've wrote just now?

Also, I'm not rsoultin
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:35 GMT
#435
On June 09 2015 14:27 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.


I'm willing to reread Shockey but I think Bugs is mafia. His play reminds me of Geript in Joats where his plan was to shit up the thread, disrupt the big names, and position himself in a leadership role.

I must have missed it, why's Shockey scummier? He has only 1-2 posts doesn't he?

Also, I don't want to see them or anything, but when you take notes, do you use full sentences?


Well, the thing is that after I skimmed the thread I could also see posts from bugs that could be coming from a town perspective. I understand what you're saying and I still have issues with bugs, but what I meant is that we already have enough information from him to work with day2. As an active player, we can always gather more information from him to form a solid read later.
So I'd rather have bugs on day2 over someone who isn't willing to give us enough information. I think Shockey is scummy because those two posts you saw doesn't make sense together. I've already explained why. I'm gonna quote it for you to see, 1 minute.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:37 GMT
#436
On June 09 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 03:47 FreezingFoot wrote:
I'm slightly scumreading Shockey because I think these two posts doesn't go along:

On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.



On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.

Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening?


I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post.

Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e



Votes randomly, gives town passes for both KS and Breshke out of openings, unreasonably votes with BM, throws this half ass intention of lynching a smurf but not actually wanting just because I'm active, giving no actual reason behind this statement.


Thing is, I'm basically guilty of all this too. I town both KS and Bresh, I really like BM, and if I were around at the beginning I probably would have pressure voted you too.


Yeah but he voted bugs? O.o
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:50 GMT
#441
Oh god, this is majority???
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:53 GMT
#444
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:57 GMT
#447
TBH now that I realised this is majority, it changes completely the way I see the game

I mean that I expect scum to lurk day1 more than anything, because I doubt most townies will risk hammering someone they haven't got enough information on, which makes WBG less likely to be mafia considering his activity today.

Idk. I will have to dive him again, but I think we should look into information-less people first
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 05:59 GMT
#449
On June 09 2015 14:57 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment


why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new?


Because Onegu and LS just had non-alignment indicative behaviour regarding their meta, but Shockey's two posts' inconsistencies fits much more a mafia mindset
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 06:18 GMT
#455
On June 09 2015 15:06 Tubesock wrote:
I'll just feel super dirty if Onegu is mafia seeing if we have the balls to lynch him for not playing into his silly VT claim meta...If he did/does claim VT then yeah total coinflip.


You can see it the other way around

Would Onegu, a guy that loves to play as mafia, refrain from claiming VT just to get town read?

Most of the scum reads on him are because of this VT thing and I'm not sure why this is being taken so seriously.

I would go as far as to say I think he is playing more similar to his town meta than his scum meta. He is being useless/uninterested, which is exactly how he plays as town
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 06:20 GMT
#456
On June 09 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote:
Actually foot never mind that's a shit question. Would be nice if shockey would come back to the thread


Ok

And Shockey, when you come back to the thread, I ask you catch up and tell who we should lynch
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 06:23 GMT
#458
LOL maybe
But my experience with Onegu is that he is way more interested in the game when he is scum. He goes as far as actually giving reads and defend people against lynches :O shocking, I know
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 17:02 GMT
#475
On June 09 2015 23:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo

Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.

Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening?


I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post.

Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e



I liked Kickstarts opening, very part of the game, he went ahead and started with some roleplay basically saying he's town which is why I quickly can say he's town (obviously it's still the beginning, the posting can get worse) and he went ahead and started questioning bugs cause of this:

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


It's an opening post, but it's just so ugly for it being one of the first opening posts.

Breshke - You can just tell he's playing a townie, then why all the questions that force others to really give their opinions of other players?

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 14:57 Breshke wrote:
On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment


why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new?


I'm not new to these forums. I've definitely have played Mafia here before, but it's been a long time since then, so in a way I am new once again and I change my play style every game no matter what role. Then what's the point of continually playing when others have such a great read on you? This is why I started playing again, brings enjoyment.


Onegu: He brings points, then leaves - hiding to not really get sniped.

BM: I've played games with him before, always town. So I just rather sheep some one with more knowledge atm.

This was my opening post, now I've explained myself about it because most of you instantly think scum if I don't.

This post is w.e from LS:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2015 21:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up[ and had company over last night hence why my activity was kinda iffy(I thought they would be done earlier but they stayed till 11:15 -_-) and Bugs got a question:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 16:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
LightningStrike, do you have any games of yours that you would suggest I read if I wanted to know more about how you play? Gonna dig around myself but just curious if you can help me along in identifying which games you would consider representative of your town and mafia play.

For town here a mix of my good games and bad games:
Student V: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?user=LightningStrike
Games of Throne: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike
Titanic VII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=LightningStrike&page=2
Carol of the Bells(Post limit game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=LightningStrike
Assassination(Another post limit game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=LightningStrike
XXX A Night of Debauchery (18+): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=LightningStrike
I only got 3 scum games and here their filters:
Student IV(First scum game ever and 2nd game on TL): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Jack of All Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
Guardians of the Galaxy(Latest scum game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike
You can check the database if you need more town games
Also you still think FreezingFoot is scum?



I don't like it, why do you link so many previous games to make sure people know how you play as a townie or mafia? And the fact that Bugs asked you makes it strange. Especially when he can just dig around himself, theres a database thread with ctrl + f.

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 15:20 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 09 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote:
Actually foot never mind that's a shit question. Would be nice if shockey would come back to the thread


Ok

And Shockey, when you come back to the thread, I ask you catch up and tell who we should lynch


I'm still going to stick to bugs, he's obviously angry about being called out so early into the game that he decides to leave instead, what kind of town motive is that? The google spreadsheet? It's ok, points as BM mafia because he's on an all out against bugs and LS even though they never had another interaction again after the game list above.

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
have fun guys, gonna join the lurkers

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18hJSlotqO9cGIaINjn3EQtuMrxz1p6SH_G4algS3Otk/edit#gid=0

I don't have an interest in playing when no one else has an interest in playing


If the train decides to lynch a lurker (stutters), I doubt he would pull so much attention to himself if he was mafia by just not posting.


Are you implying LS and bugs may be scum together? I also didn't understand your points on Onegu and Breshke
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 17:53 GMT
#487
Yamato, how can you distinguish LS's play in this game from his town game?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:03 GMT
#489
I want to understand why not Shockey. I want to understand why LS is a better lynch than Shockey.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:14 GMT
#495
How can you say Shockey is town? Like please tell me ONE THING from his filter that makes him town.

Also, please tell me what you think of the town traits I've brought on bugs
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:18 GMT
#502
On June 10 2015 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:
scumposting^


LOL ok.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bill Murray
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:27 GMT
#506
No, really.
BM scumreads bugs with me
BM ignores the townie points I've brought on bugs
BM townreads Shockey out of NOTHING and wants to lynch coinflip stutters instead
BM scumreads me, who was scumreading bugs (his main scum read) out of a stupid association with STUTTERS.

Please. Vote this guy. It's ridiculous
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:28 GMT
#508
On June 10 2015 03:16 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:12 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:06 Bill Murray wrote:
shockeyy is so town


wot

this is the best ive ever seen him play


Oh that might explain a lot then.

##unvote
##vote stutters


And please WTF is this shit
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#515
On June 10 2015 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:
1) WIFOM
(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player)
2) excuses
(bottom of page 2)
3) admitting to scumskimming
(same post at end of page 2 of your filter)
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning

it's like your reasoning is merely a facade


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:37 GMT
#520
So, Bill, you assume I'm scum. Who are my partners?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 18:38 GMT
#521
On June 10 2015 03:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:35 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:
1) WIFOM
(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player)
2) excuses
(bottom of page 2)
3) admitting to scumskimming
(same post at end of page 2 of your filter)
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning

it's like your reasoning is merely a facade


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.

its the excuse to leave and the way you "did a quick skim of the thread"

Town doesnt skim, they read.


Shockey clearly hasn't read the thread. Why is he town and I'm scum then?
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