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On June 09 2015 11:29 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 11:27 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, calling people bad is not a scum tell. ad hominem is, as is misrepresentation, flailing, scumandeering/the way he is spotlighting this game, and my meta on him he is much nicer as town, so while you may say "this is a policy lynch, BM", it isn't just a policy lynch he is very likely scum
how long ago did you last play with him? How do you know his playstyle hasn't changed? In this game he is playing with a lot of unfamiliar faces so while its shit i can see the way WBG coming from a town who actually thinks most of us are bad compared to when you used to play with him and maybe he knew the abilities of people he played with and respected them more hence he was nicer. I'm not going to dig up old games to work this out because im lazy but these are a few things I think you have tot ake into account for your meta read.
From my read of the thread the only thing that actually gave me pause to think WBG was mafia was Foots point about him acting aggro because he thought that was a town trait but the aggroness wasn't really pushing anything. I can see how this would make foot think WBG is amfia but it doesn't make me think that since I agree with (i think it was) bats that WBG wouldnt be consistently putting in this effort especially constantly getting aggro and calling half the game shitters if he was scum.
However WBG I don't think it is constructive saying you are going to ignore half the players nor should you replace out because ceebs dealing with that also would rather use a replacement if like the shining needs it or something.
LS is really confusing me I can see him as both alignments. I wanted to ping him out earlier and kind of did but no one was really around. LS could you flesh out your meta read on WBG since it differs from BM's i'd like to see why.
From my point of view bill's push is meh but for some reason it makes me think he is town.
I like yamatos post because he doesn't feel bad about giving reasons WBG is scummy then calling him town at the end
I really wouldn't be sad lynching a lurker today even if it hits town. I'm town reading a lot of people which is a problem I have a lot but it is what it is.
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Also WBG you said something about scum having like 3 kp in the night or something either im misunderstanding you or your misunderstanding the setup. Scum has 1 kp every night if im not mistaken and have a 1 time silver bullet which can kill an empowered town whos flip would come at EoD
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##Vote Onegu
You said yourself you didn't claim VT
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To further the LS thing I believe he has trouble like posting in succession in the thread. This game he seems fine when he is being reactive like responding to questions from people but his own questions feel really forced and not going anywhere like he is posting stuff just to post stuff.
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On June 09 2015 12:05 Bill Murray wrote:
If you look into the wording WBG is using it's as if "useful" to him is who will push forth his agenda
If you're not buddying him, and especially those who are voting him, are getting negative points from him/he's flinging shit/flailing at them
He is a part of a generation of players that were run off from here; he is a condescending player, especially as scum
this is his scum game 110%
Could you give me an example of the bolded, I don't see it.
Also this is my point you say he is a condescending player so why is this scum condescending and not town condescending.
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On June 09 2015 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 12:05 Bill Murray wrote:
If you look into the wording WBG is using it's as if "useful" to him is who will push forth his agenda
If you're not buddying him, and especially those who are voting him, are getting negative points from him/he's flinging shit/flailing at them
He is a part of a generation of players that were run off from here; he is a condescending player, especially as scum
this is his scum game 110% Could you give me an example of the bolded, I don't see it. Also this is my point you say he is a condescending player so why is this scum condescending and not town condescending. from my experience with WBG he tends to lurk a lot more as town, and will pop up to be helpful. He isn't condescending in the least. This is sheer flailing and something that I haven't seen from him before. He's saying I don't see how he acts as scum.. well him acting like a crybaby is new to me, so that must be his scum meta my case on him is more deductive reasoning and seeing if something would stick than anything. Granted, a page ago, when he posted what he did, it has me kind of wanting to come off my vote... but the feeling that he is likely scum is just too much. I don't want to let someone like this get away with this. He can act condescending all he wants, and say "when have you ever caught me as scum", but this guy never roles scum here for me to have a meta on. TL;DR I know his town meta; and this isn't it
Okay so what do you think about LS reading his past games and coming to the opposite conclusion to you? I get you said he is misguided town but I don't see why this hasn't been discussed between you two yet.
I actually agree with a lot of WBG reads and still don't reall see the problem with the wording but that isn't really something I pick up on. So if you want to handhold me through it that would be great.
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On June 09 2015 12:18 Kickstart wrote:
Yeh the spreadsheet is alright but paying attention to his top town reads and top scum reads I don't really agree. Mainly he has 99% towned people that I don't particularly agree with, but he does have a tendency to just go "95% sure they are town" :/, at least he has in this game.
Can you say who specifically you disagree with?
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On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray.
1. Can you tell me why LS is town
2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread
3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town
4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you?
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On June 09 2015 13:52 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 12:51 Kickstart wrote:
Onegu should probably be lynched anyways. He didnt claim VT. Lol you must be mafia.
On June 09 2015 12:01 Breshke wrote:
##Vote Onegu
You said yourself you didn't claim VT
Me too then
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On June 09 2015 13:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town.
1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read.
2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT.
3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia.
4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well.
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The smurf is obviously not Rso she couldn't not post emojis. It is in her blood.
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On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey
I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.
Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.
I agree about his read on me. Feels lazy to me and he is just reading me town because I agreed with him early. I liked most of his other reads though and I know im town so I didn't care that much.
Agree with the rest.
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On June 09 2015 14:16 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 14:05 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:54 Tubesock wrote:On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town. 1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read. 2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT. 3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia. 4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well. 1. I don't think he's mafia either though? And Chezinu literally did this in his champions game against his mafia mate. 2. I don't mean he's nightkill hunting by asking what people think would be the best town. I think it's what's on his mind. His push on Foot has three benefits to him if he is mafia. 1. it makes him appear town (pushing thread/conversation, and getting information), if he drives hard into someone often time these people fold and look scummy for a mlynch, outs the smurf he can decide with more accurate information who to kill AND this will likely generate more jubjubing from town deciding if the smurf lied or not. He sees the push on Foot doesn't have traction and people are towning him, so he posts "oh I have 5 town reads! this was totes productive! I'm so TOWN!" Then knows that he can't just kill a lurker, he goes after LS who is well LS. I don't know how you guys write notes, but uh I don't use sentences I use code words to remind me. Otherwise I would run out. He made it all pretty and nice to read for us. bleh Also, I don't like martyrs.
I don't see myself agreeing with you about 1. I get where you are coming from but I don't think it makes WBG mafia because he didn't just settle on LS he actually did some meta diving.
Two is like the same thing. How would a town act in this situation instead. Like what is the difference between a town pressuring early for info and a scum pressuring early to secure a misslynch? Also when WBG flipped his read on foot was around the time I did aswell so i can understand why it happened.
Im going to stop defending him now though because he can be a big boy and come back to the thread and do it himself.
Can you look at LS's posts for me and try make a read on him. Do you agree that his posts feel kind of forced when he isn't answering peoples questions.
Also out of Onegu/shockey who would you rather lynch or is it the same.
(last two questions can be answered by anyone)
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add stutters to the onegu/shockey list
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wait they only have one silver bullet right?
Getting 7 people to vote together feels like it is going to be a pain
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On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment
why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new?
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On June 09 2015 15:00 Kickstart wrote:
yeh setup says 1 priest 2 witchhunters (each is 1 shot silver bullet). sad times
read wrong bit soz and thanks
On June 09 2015 14:59 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 14:57 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today.
I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new? Because Onegu and LS just had non-alignment indicative behaviour regarding their meta, but Shockey's two posts' inconsistencies fits much more a mafia mindset
How about now that you realize it is majority. Does that change this much at all?
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Actually foot never mind that's a shit question. Would be nice if shockey would come back to the thread
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On June 09 2015 15:35 Tubesock wrote:
So, what are we doing here? Lynching the lurkiest?
yeah, kinda more like the scummiest lurkiest.
I still want to hear LS's meta read on bugs and why him and bm have come to opposite conclusions.
I'm not really feeling that strong about anyone being scum so I was thinking I wouldn't feel terrible about a no lynch because it means we either get 3 blues again next phase or scum have to try use at least one of their vigi shots during the night if they want to stop that. 2 if they miss the first one.
However because there is numerous people lurking I feel like this wouldn't realty work. Plus town needs to kill people to win.
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On June 09 2015 21:53 batsnacks wrote:
Can we not lynch bugs btw? BM's push is compelling and all but mafia is rarely the person making the first push on someone (bugs pushing foots, LS). I think it's more likely that bugs is just excited/rusty town. He even took it all personal when people didn't validate his effort.
I don't think bugs is getting lynched. Yeah he has leading votes but i don't see like 4 or whatever number it is more people voting him unless all the lurkers suddenly decide too.
Why shockey over stutters or onegu? Foots points?
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