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Low activity is basically the definition of lurking. Google "lurker" and the definition you get back is
a person who lurks, in particular a user of an Internet message board or chat room who does not participate.
I'm not the only one who thought you were scum or made questionable posts, indeed even yamato said stuff like this:
On June 10 2015 02:44 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:42 The Shining wrote:
Fair point, Bill. I like my BM acronym for people who BM. So you're Bill now. Better?
And no, I'm not implying you don't random vote as town. I'm implying that you yourself said your Bats vote was a rather serious one, which implies it isn't random. Are you implying that it was in fact random when you called it serious?
You're more concerned with being one of my scumreads than the content of any of my other reads. K.
I'm not lynching LS or WBG today. Onegu isn't defending himself or doing particularly much. And I'm with Freezing, I don't understand what exactly Shockey was trying to say in his post and him not being around to explain it is no good.
For now. Subject to change.
##Vote: Shockeyy This is majority lynch, you can't just say you're not going to lynch the main wagons with like six hours left and vote a fucking lurker
On June 10 2015 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
The Shining is also managing to look worse and worse with every post but he's probably just an idiot.
it's often been a running joke that the players who look the worst in a game are all townies.
Anyway I'm not going to continue this now but if you legitimately want to know my opinion then we can discuss it post game.
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what if we have both PRs check onegu tonight.
he can't shoot one of them that way
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rationale:
either way 1 of them probably dies. Yamato is probably dead no matter what we do
so either we have yamato check some dude that isn't onegu, e.g. shockey, and have bats check onegu
then if bats dies we just autolynch onegu. Bats takes blaspheme let's say, and yamato takes track.
OR
we have them both check onegu with both types of checks. He won't know which one is the blaspheme check so he's gonna have to guess who to kill. The other dude checks him. If onegu is the scum we guarantee we find out and autolynch him tomorrow.
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we also have the same amount of info no matter what happens, cause if the scum decide to hold their shot that would be stupid as hell
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yeah that's true.
If yamato takes RB and blocks Onegu and bats takes blaspheme and checks Shockey, we can safely lynch Shockeyy
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w/e gonna go play dota now
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wow it was FF after all
god damn
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On June 13 2015 16:12 Kickstart wrote:
He didn't have me fooled! ^^
GG town.
gj I was rereading why you might've died and I kept wondering about FF hahaha
Kept convincing myself I was wrong for various reason or another
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yeah a yamato kill would've made the game a bit different.
I really doubt BM would've lived day 2 no matter what happened, though. You were the only shot at mafia winning.
Also I really do mean everything I said about smurfs day 1. Look at how much meta played into getting LS killed and BM suspected. Both yamato and I agreed that it wasn't like BM to play like this as town. Meta is so useful when used properly.
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holy shit FF were you voted for witchcraft day 1
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ROFL can't believe that actually happened
wtf were town doing
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it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads
I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him
On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.
nah
it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.
Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads
I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS
also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already
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also I think if scum had coordinated d1 they could've potentially gotten me lynched
I had really unpopular opinions for most of the day but LS failed kinda hard
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On June 13 2015 16:52 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:46 Kickstart wrote:
Yeh I had voted FF as my #1 lol, I tried to vote people that werent too obvious so they wouldnt get silver bulleted but I should have changed that vote close to EoD when I was pretty sure he was scum, o well. Sorry, "pretty sure" is not what you actually were The idea that "no mafia would be this bold to defend a scum partner" was very present in thread
I didn't agree with that, not in this setup.
giving up a KP day 1? fuck that shit
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On June 13 2015 16:54 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you. ^ this You actually made things very easy to me in early day 1 with this, bugs.
why?
I really don't understand why this is such a controversial opinion. I think I did my best to show why it was in town's best interest to either get something out of you, whether it be an identity or reads. We got absolutely nothing and yet people still considered you town
I only backed off because people disagreed with me. Generally when so many people disagree with me I start convincing myself that I am wrong. I did not like what you posted but I gave it a rest because it was destroying the thread. That's why I started calling you bad, because if so many people disagreed with me I thought you must be an idiot townie who I should start ignoring for having bad opinions.
It's good that I picked up on LS otherwise I would've started tunneling some poor townie like stutters
also it was definitely NOT a policy lynch. It was pressure based on being a smurf and I didn't like the direction you took after the pressure
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On June 13 2015 16:58 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you. nah it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum. Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point. In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons
except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol
they had no specificity to them
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anyway it's something interesting. I obviously don't agree with the conclusion of the other people in this game that smurfs should be treated the same as other townies. I think that type of thinking can potentially be really dangerous. Perhaps some people smurf for "obvious" reasons but it's valuable to understand those motivations because identity is like literally the most important thing in this game when you don't have better things to work with. Someone who is named Foolishness should be punished for having shitty reads, but if you don't know that they are Foolishness (or cannot get enough info out of them to understand that they should potentially be a strong player) then you are at a huge disadvantage when attempting to read them
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On June 13 2015 17:00 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 13 2015 16:58 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you. nah it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum. Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point. In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol they had no specificity to them Yes, but this has nothing to do with the smurf matter?
yes, it does.
Some people just don't have specificity in their reads when they are town, because they have bad reads in general. With those types of players if you know that (and the only way you'd know that is by reading their town games) you can adjust your read of them based on that.
After having read some of your town games I know you may be wrong sometimes but you at least give reasons for your reads. Your reasons this game either didn't exist or they sucked (and by sucked I mean the thought process made close to 0 sense from a town perspective) but without knowing your identity I had no idea whether that was normal or not
So the only gauge I had was other people disagreeing with me so I backed off
smurfing is powerful as fuck when you land scum.
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yes, obviously convincing people is harder than forming the read. which is why I'm actually trying to show how it can almost never be beneficial for the TEAM for a person to smurf.
When people actually understand this they'll stop giving a fuck if smurfing has "benefits that go beyond his team's goals" which is a fancier way of saying "smurfing benefits the player themselves." That's exactly my overarching point, in like 99% of cases smurfing only benefits the individual player. Town play is entirely team-based, which is why it's almost never in town's interest to have a smurf.
e: also if you have personal interests in smurfing and you don't want to reveal you identity that's generally fine, as I mentioned in-game. Your reaction was solely based on identity though, which was very telling. Since you lacked proper reads that led me further into believing you were scum.
Again the problem was convincing other people, which is so incredibly hard. I've found it's easier to convince them emotionally which is usually why I get people to mislynch into randoms when I play scum. As town for whatever reason I find it really hard to do that because it's hard to use emotion while simultaneously having high confidence you have a scum lynch. Basically what happens is if you lynch the wrong dude you end up dying yourself because you so persuasively told everyone some poor townie was scum
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