• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:40
CET 20:40
KST 04:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30
Tourneys
SC2 iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery Rollback Netcode in Brood War [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BW General Discussion Cwal.gg not working
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11989 users

Witchcraft Mini Mafia III - Page 16

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 Next All
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:11 GMT
#1403
Low activity is basically the definition of lurking. Google "lurker" and the definition you get back is

a person who lurks, in particular a user of an Internet message board or chat room who does not participate.

I'm not the only one who thought you were scum or made questionable posts, indeed even yamato said stuff like this:

On June 10 2015 02:44 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 02:42 The Shining wrote:
Fair point, Bill. I like my BM acronym for people who BM. So you're Bill now. Better?

And no, I'm not implying you don't random vote as town. I'm implying that you yourself said your Bats vote was a rather serious one, which implies it isn't random. Are you implying that it was in fact random when you called it serious?

You're more concerned with being one of my scumreads than the content of any of my other reads. K.

I'm not lynching LS or WBG today. Onegu isn't defending himself or doing particularly much. And I'm with Freezing, I don't understand what exactly Shockey was trying to say in his post and him not being around to explain it is no good.

For now. Subject to change.
##Vote: Shockeyy

This is majority lynch, you can't just say you're not going to lynch the main wagons with like six hours left and vote a fucking lurker


On June 10 2015 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
The Shining is also managing to look worse and worse with every post but he's probably just an idiot.


it's often been a running joke that the players who look the worst in a game are all townies.

Anyway I'm not going to continue this now but if you legitimately want to know my opinion then we can discuss it post game.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:46 GMT
#1407
what if we have both PRs check onegu tonight.

he can't shoot one of them that way
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:51 GMT
#1408
rationale:

either way 1 of them probably dies. Yamato is probably dead no matter what we do

so either we have yamato check some dude that isn't onegu, e.g. shockey, and have bats check onegu

then if bats dies we just autolynch onegu. Bats takes blaspheme let's say, and yamato takes track.

OR

we have them both check onegu with both types of checks. He won't know which one is the blaspheme check so he's gonna have to guess who to kill. The other dude checks him. If onegu is the scum we guarantee we find out and autolynch him tomorrow.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:51 GMT
#1409
we also have the same amount of info no matter what happens, cause if the scum decide to hold their shot that would be stupid as hell

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:55 GMT
#1411
yeah that's true.

If yamato takes RB and blocks Onegu and bats takes blaspheme and checks Shockey, we can safely lynch Shockeyy
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:55 GMT
#1412
assuming bats dies
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:55 GMT
#1413
or someone dies
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 02:56 GMT
#1414
w/e gonna go play dota now
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:12 GMT
#1419
wow it was FF after all

god damn
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:13 GMT
#1421
On June 13 2015 16:12 Kickstart wrote:
He didn't have me fooled! ^^
GG town.


gj I was rereading why you might've died and I kept wondering about FF hahaha

Kept convincing myself I was wrong for various reason or another
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:37 GMT
#1425
yeah a yamato kill would've made the game a bit different.

I really doubt BM would've lived day 2 no matter what happened, though. You were the only shot at mafia winning.

Also I really do mean everything I said about smurfs day 1. Look at how much meta played into getting LS killed and BM suspected. Both yamato and I agreed that it wasn't like BM to play like this as town. Meta is so useful when used properly.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:44 GMT
#1426
holy shit FF were you voted for witchcraft day 1
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:45 GMT
#1428
ROFL can't believe that actually happened

wtf were town doing
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-13 07:51:27
June 13 2015 07:49 GMT
#1432
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him

On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:52 GMT
#1434
also I think if scum had coordinated d1 they could've potentially gotten me lynched

I had really unpopular opinions for most of the day but LS failed kinda hard
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:54 GMT
#1436
On June 13 2015 16:52 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:46 Kickstart wrote:
Yeh I had voted FF as my #1 lol, I tried to vote people that werent too obvious so they wouldnt get silver bulleted but I should have changed that vote close to EoD when I was pretty sure he was scum, o well.


Sorry, "pretty sure" is not what you actually were

The idea that "no mafia would be this bold to defend a scum partner" was very present in thread


I didn't agree with that, not in this setup.

giving up a KP day 1? fuck that shit
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-13 07:58:25
June 13 2015 07:57 GMT
#1438
On June 13 2015 16:54 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


^ this

You actually made things very easy to me in early day 1 with this, bugs.


why?

I really don't understand why this is such a controversial opinion. I think I did my best to show why it was in town's best interest to either get something out of you, whether it be an identity or reads. We got absolutely nothing and yet people still considered you town

I only backed off because people disagreed with me. Generally when so many people disagree with me I start convincing myself that I am wrong. I did not like what you posted but I gave it a rest because it was destroying the thread. That's why I started calling you bad, because if so many people disagreed with me I thought you must be an idiot townie who I should start ignoring for having bad opinions.

It's good that I picked up on LS otherwise I would've started tunneling some poor townie like stutters

also it was definitely NOT a policy lynch. It was pressure based on being a smurf and I didn't like the direction you took after the pressure
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 13 2015 07:59 GMT
#1441
On June 13 2015 16:58 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him

On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already


Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point.

In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons


except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol

they had no specificity to them
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-13 08:03:42
June 13 2015 08:01 GMT
#1444
anyway it's something interesting. I obviously don't agree with the conclusion of the other people in this game that smurfs should be treated the same as other townies. I think that type of thinking can potentially be really dangerous. Perhaps some people smurf for "obvious" reasons but it's valuable to understand those motivations because identity is like literally the most important thing in this game when you don't have better things to work with. Someone who is named Foolishness should be punished for having shitty reads, but if you don't know that they are Foolishness (or cannot get enough info out of them to understand that they should potentially be a strong player) then you are at a huge disadvantage when attempting to read them

e:

On June 13 2015 17:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:58 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him

On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.


nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already


Would never reveal who I was if I were town. I chose to smurf so people wouldn't have this idea that "he is glowingbear, he is wrong". But then I rolled scum, and being bad would be helpful if I got my identity revealed at some point.

In other words, in the beginning of the game, you were right for the wrong reasons


except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol

they had no specificity to them


Yes, but this has nothing to do with the smurf matter?


yes, it does.

Some people just don't have specificity in their reads when they are town, because they have bad reads in general. With those types of players if you know that (and the only way you'd know that is by reading their town games) you can adjust your read of them based on that.

After having read some of your town games I know you may be wrong sometimes but you at least give reasons for your reads. Your reasons this game either didn't exist or they sucked (and by sucked I mean the thought process made close to 0 sense from a town perspective) but without knowing your identity I had no idea whether that was normal or not

So the only gauge I had was other people disagreeing with me so I backed off

smurfing is powerful as fuck when you land scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-13 08:10:32
June 13 2015 08:08 GMT
#1446
yes, obviously convincing people is harder than forming the read. which is why I'm actually trying to show how it can almost never be beneficial for the TEAM for a person to smurf.

When people actually understand this they'll stop giving a fuck if smurfing has "benefits that go beyond his team's goals" which is a fancier way of saying "smurfing benefits the player themselves." That's exactly my overarching point, in like 99% of cases smurfing only benefits the individual player. Town play is entirely team-based, which is why it's almost never in town's interest to have a smurf.

e: also if you have personal interests in smurfing and you don't want to reveal you identity that's generally fine, as I mentioned in-game. Your reaction was solely based on identity though, which was very telling. Since you lacked proper reads that led me further into believing you were scum.

Again the problem was convincing other people, which is so incredibly hard. I've found it's easier to convince them emotionally which is usually why I get people to mislynch into randoms when I play scum. As town for whatever reason I find it really hard to do that because it's hard to use emotion while simultaneously having high confidence you have a scum lynch. Basically what happens is if you lynch the wrong dude you end up dying yourself because you so persuasively told everyone some poor townie was scum
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
02:00
#69
TaKeTV 410
TKL 376
SteadfastSC376
ZombieGrub107
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 502
SteadfastSC 376
TKL 376
mouzHeroMarine 196
ZombieGrub107
EmSc Tv 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 365
Stork 74
sSak 43
Barracks 29
ProTech24
910 16
soO 11
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2653
byalli338
gobbtv216
jkaem160
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3734
Trikslyr68
Other Games
tarik_tv6213
FrodaN1247
Liquid`Hasu183
ArmadaUGS136
B2W.Neo120
UpATreeSC47
NeuroSwarm46
Railgan33
Chillindude20
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL72
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 20
EmSc2Tv 20
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 60
• Reevou 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3087
Other Games
• imaqtpie1043
• Shiphtur644
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 20m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 20m
WardiTV Invitational
16h 20m
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
OSC
1d 3h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
PiGosaur Cup
1d 5h
INu's Battles
1d 16h
ByuN vs Classic
3D!Clan Event
1d 20h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
[ Show More ]
Ultimate Battle
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
IPSL
4 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-06
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.