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On June 03 2015 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:05 ritoky wrote:
people str8 disrespecting me all over the thread. You're begging for it with your posting style. If you don't want people to dis you, then don't dis them. For the record, "I'm not changing how I post regardless of the threads' repeated requests that I do so" is disrespecting others as much as they're disrespecting you.
Try page 2 of my filter.
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On June 03 2015 08:16 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.
Hi all I've read through the thread just now. I only have one thought immediately off the bat, which is that I find it suspicious that milo comes out with the "if you lynch me for XXX, that's fine". The only thing that regular townies know is that we are not mafia, and that means that the one thing we cannot do is let ourselves be lynched without giving everything first. It's possible milo just felt a bit band-wagoned, but I thought I'd point that out. @milo - I'd like to hear your reasoning for why you said that.
what do you think of me and kickstart? and why do VE's points about chocolate not appeal to you?
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On June 03 2015 08:32 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else? Yeah I just checked, didn't find anything. I have one mafia and one town game from the very early newbie mini mafia days Also if you're going to get on me for not being on all the time, you're going to have a bad time. I'm going to try to post as much as possible when I'm able but it's unreasonable to expect me to drop other things I'm doing (I'm on vacation atm) for a forum mafia game Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment? anything really, I stand by my initial gut feeling that trying to seem overly "town-friendly" without adding content is scummy. Obviously I had very little to work with though. I don't really have a strong read either way on him either way atm Right now I'd say Kickstart stands out to me as suspicious. Same with scott though obviously with much less to base it on. I don't like how VE is tunneling me but I don't think it's an inherently scum thing to do
What specifically about scott's play thus far has made him suspicious to you?
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@milo can you give me a detailed paragraph or two who or whom is the most scummy right now and why? maybe some quotes too. would like to see you doing something other than defending.
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On June 03 2015 08:35 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:32 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else? Yeah I just checked, didn't find anything. I have one mafia and one town game from the very early newbie mini mafia days Also if you're going to get on me for not being on all the time, you're going to have a bad time. I'm going to try to post as much as possible when I'm able but it's unreasonable to expect me to drop other things I'm doing (I'm on vacation atm) for a forum mafia game On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment? anything really, I stand by my initial gut feeling that trying to seem overly "town-friendly" without adding content is scummy. Obviously I had very little to work with though. I don't really have a strong read either way on him either way atm Right now I'd say Kickstart stands out to me as suspicious. Same with scott though obviously with much less to base it on. I don't like how VE is tunneling me but I don't think it's an inherently scum thing to do What specifically about scott's play thus far has made him suspicious to you? Just him siding with kickstarter. his posts don't reveal much at all so far. however, I think due to the low content and neutrality of his posts that he may be playing the lurker role which tends to be one that scum takes
So it is purely associative? Do you think him going back and looking through my database of games is alignment indicative?
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my life last night:
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dunno why you're giving templar so much shit over ignoring you damdred. it was clear...at least to me..that he was doing that shit that tamburini does sometimes and a couple others where they read the thread from the beginning and stream of consciousness comment on things in chronological order. seems like a really stupid reason to be annoyed or push scum on him. you're above that.
as for the content of the reads. i dont mind his reads up until his list. he pinged out posts that i also thought were important which is okay for me. his TT read is a bit of a stretch. dunno why i was town and suddenly am not on the list yet other people who weren't mentioned or hardly mentioned have ascended w/ no explanation. also the omission of any commentary on VE seems strange being that VE is the probably the most vocal in pushing his lynch since i stopped pressuring milo. pretty much what i am saying is that he is null to me and i just wasted your time with this post.
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also damdred, why you asking for my read on you? you know my soul read isn't 100% until n1. it about 30-36 hours i will know your alignment with 100% certainty. okay maybe 99.
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1gu have you claimed VT yet this game?
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oh you only have like 5 posts, i can see you have.
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@chocolate: why is this (scott)
On June 03 2015 23:42 Chocolate wrote:
General inactivity
His only contribution of note was to call a very active player town which seems way too conservative
more scummy and should be lynched before this:
On June 03 2015 11:07 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 10:56 Kickstart wrote:
Also I don't want to speak for VE, but milo saying you afk was weird. At the time I didnt point it out because he did but since then I did say a bit about it. For one we can't be sure you are afk because you said you were going to go through stuff (but then went to eat dinner, which is fine, you just stated you were doing otherwise as the reason for your inactivity at the time). What I found most odd was the "he cant defend himself", because to me that makes no sense at all, even if you were afk, its forum mafia, you just come back and read it and respond :/.
But mostly I would like for you to expand on why your vote is on VE! "it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away" it doesn't make sense to me either. But to be fair I think he was giving me too much shit for posting and going away for a bit and that being scummy. I think he is scum because: He hasn't changed positions on anyone His only interactions of substance have been with me and milo I think he is taking a misinterpretation of what someone else said too far as a "scum-slip" His posts have a dismissive tone Show nested quote +Whatever it's fine. Expand on your VE read if you please - I've been just exploding town all over this thread. You say there's been a lack of reads out of me. I say that doesn't make me mafia. I say that I've contributed at least one mafia read, and that's the person I want to lynch, and now I'm also willing to lynch you. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 09:52 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'm done for tonight. VE.... I hope you actually use logic instead of illusionary slips if you're town. But I don't think you are. You've conceded SEVERAL points to me this game so far milo. I've had to correct SEVERAL mistakes in your posts. Why are you saying that I'M the one who needs to use logic? There's no illusion, there are facts in the thread. A timeline of actual events. That's my proof. What's yours? Show nested quote + In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave.
Which really bothers me I see no reason to tunnel someone so hard out of the blue I don't think he's scum because: He's posting a lot While I get a scum feeling from dogging someone so early, it's something that would at the same time be dumb to do as a mafia player milo's post does look like a slip
I don't even understand. You seem to have a complex and developed scum read on a target who you think is mafia. Why are you choosing instead to default to an inactive policy lynch over your actual scum read?
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On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.
do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.
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On June 04 2015 04:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 01:50 Fidei86 wrote:
Damdred - I think our posts might have crossed? Never cross quotes. Never unless there is a mafiapuff man, then and only then is it ok.
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On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.
GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...
I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.
I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here.
i'ved read this post like 5x trying to figure out what is causing me to not like it. i can't really figure it out. for whatever reason i just don't like this post.
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if i am being really honest. i think fid is a new player and my track record for reading new players is shite.5
he has quite the ability to agree and say nothing in a lot of his posts, and i have 0 clue if it is alignment indicative. i am surprised that when i just clicked his filter that it has reached 2 pages as i literally remember 0 things he has said all game from the top of my head and that usually isn't a good sign.
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On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.
When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?
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On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?
I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.
Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.
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i think solid town reads on day 1 are the most valuable thing in the entire game outside of definite information (i.e. checks etc).
as for your question about onegu. onegu has a very...unique...way of solving games. he is a low volume poster, who frequently makes mountains out of what other people call mole hills. when he is town he has a high frequency of picking the right mole hills though. he has also on occasion straight up called someone unimpeachable town and sheeped them to the ends of the earth. my suggestion for reading him as the game goes on is read what he posts and if it makes you say "huh" out loud, he is probably town. if it makes you bored or ask yourself "what in the living shit?" he is probably mafia. lean moreso toward makes your bored for the mafia read, cuz you seem like a bit of a tunneler so you might say what in the living shit to everything he posts.
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also can you expand on your nydus town lean? that seems new to me or maybe it came about last night when my pregnant wife was doing a USSR dictator impression.
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I just don't see how you can have a nydus town lean or read. I sure as shit don't anymore. A lot of people have a nydus town read which might mean some1 is spewing him but I don't think he has done enough to deserve the town reads he has gotten.
However back to your read on him and why it is strange:
Nydus thinks or thought that you are scum, he thinks 1 of your 2 top towns is scum and has reinforced it later (me), and he thinks your other top town's case on mafia is crap. So he literally completely disagrees with everything except your templar read, which tbh he may not actually stand behind that much cuz all we have is a #scum post. Even moreso he has a town read on milo who all 3 of your towns have pinged out as potential scum over the course of the 1st day. I just don't see how tone could possibly overrule how utterly wrong Nydus should appear to you. You haven't even called him donkey town....just a town lean. This read feels really out of place....
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