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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 18:52 GMT
#578
On May 20 2015 03:51 Palmar wrote:
Can we have less talk about things that don't matter and more talk about how much we're going to lynch Vivax?


Well he's already getting lynched.

It's not like I can double vote him.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:03 GMT
#582
On May 20 2015 03:57 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 03:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't need to justify a vote that obviously isn't serious and I have no idea why you're so hung up on that idea.

As for the purpose of it, it was mostly me letting people know that I would return to the thread at a later date to do stuff.

1) You didn't answer the question: what was your opinion of Damdred's alignment when you made that post?
2) Also, what are you referring to "fixing" if not your vote on Damdred?

3) Lastly, why did you want to know Stutters' opinion of Damdred? You never show any interest on Stutters anywhere else in your filter? You never push or defend Damdred. Why, of everything that you could possibly comment on when you returned to the thread, did you want to know Stutters' read on Damdred?


1) Maybe town.
2) Changing it I guess.
3) Because stutters said he didn't want to lynch him but didn't explain why.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:07 GMT
#585
The elusive Obi.

I like it.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:12 GMT
#588
1) "Maybe town" means the towny side of null.
2) Sure.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:13 GMT
#590
I don't understand why you're so hung up on me keeping my vote on Damdred anyways. It's really not that big a deal.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:22 GMT
#596
On May 20 2015 04:19 Qwerty! wrote:
It seems that I'm only reading at the rate that you guys are posting... this isn't working.

are we actually killing vivax? would much rather kill obi

##vote ObiWanShinobi


Wait, what? Why?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:24 GMT
#600
On May 20 2015 04:22 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 04:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't understand why you're so hung up on me keeping my vote on Damdred anyways. It's really not that big a deal.

No the problem is not that you left your vote on Damdred. Here is the problem.

You supposedly have a leaning town read on Damdred. However, Damdred is under a great deal of attack from several people in the thread. There are 4 votes on him and it looks like he might even be lynched.

Do you defend your townread? No
Do you question people as to why they are calling Damdred scum? No

You question someone as to why they said they WON'T lynch your town read. That is very odd and not a natural townie instict. The townie instinct if you see one of your leaning town reads being bandwaggoned is to defend him, or at the very least question people who are attacking him. But question people who are defending him? That's just not a natural response.

Then your wording as to how Damdred plausibly could be town, under normal usage of this phrase, really implies that you do not think Damdred is town. Finally, it is really awkward that you say this in the context of justifying leaving your vote on Damdred longer.

Obi: troll vote on damdred
Obi: even though damdred might be town, I'm going to leave my troll vote on him a little longer

It really really bothers me.

To everyone else, I agree Obi seems carefree/laid back. It is one of the reservations I have about him being mafia. But notice when that now, after I got 3 votes on him, is when he becomes much more active/responsive. It's suspicious.


A) I questioned stutters before I changed my read on Damdred.
B) It doesn't fucking matter.

As for me being more active when I have votes on me, it's almost like I'm trying not to be lynched. :o
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:25 GMT
#603
Lmfao why is this lynch so contested?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 19:34 GMT
#612
On May 20 2015 04:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy your read on Vivax can change when he has done nothing new yet.

Lol.

Anyway, you have my sword, Palmar. I still think Shockey is more likely to be Mafia but there is not enough time to get him + my persuasion skills sucks


Vivax doing nothing is plenty of cause for someone to change a read over time, as is a giant case on him.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:05 GMT
#642
Vivax, you should elevate your scum play to the level of your town play, not devalue your town play to match your scum play.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:06 GMT
#643
Qwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:13 GMT
#650
On May 20 2015 05:09 Qwerty! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Qwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline.
you know better than that for two reasons

1. i switched to vivax as the 9th vote or 10th vote, smth like that... if i wanted to look good i just never would have switched to vivax in the first place
2. maybe if people actually bothered trying to post there could have been a vote switch... enough ppl were online


The switch was completely unfeasible and acting like it wasn't is delusional.

Besides, you still have no reason to vote me otherwise. You didn't even have a prime scumread at the end of the day, you were only voting me because you wanted to ensure Vivax didn't get lynched.

Why am I even on your scumlist?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:13 GMT
#651
On May 20 2015 05:12 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Qwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline.


This is very wrong. Anybody who is not a complete moron would know that nobody is going to say "Great job Qwerty! You knew he was town. If only we had listened to you!"

On the contrary, anyone who has played any amount of mafia here should know that people are going to be raising eyebrows at his vote switch. Precisely because it is such an eye-catching and arguably bad play, I honestly think he is town.

I'm not saying we should have switched votes or that his vote switch was a good play. But I think he is town.

Actually reading his posts on this page I feel pretty strongly that he is town.


This is assuming mafia don't do it.

Mafia does it all the time.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:17 GMT
#653
On May 20 2015 05:14 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 05:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 20 2015 05:12 sciberbia wrote:
On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Qwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline.


This is very wrong. Anybody who is not a complete moron would know that nobody is going to say "Great job Qwerty! You knew he was town. If only we had listened to you!"

On the contrary, anyone who has played any amount of mafia here should know that people are going to be raising eyebrows at his vote switch. Precisely because it is such an eye-catching and arguably bad play, I honestly think he is town.

I'm not saying we should have switched votes or that his vote switch was a good play. But I think he is town.

Actually reading his posts on this page I feel pretty strongly that he is town.


This is assuming mafia don't do it.

Mafia does it all the time.


Show me a few examples of mafia spazzing out in reaction to a last second reads post and asking for a vote switch.

If you can, then I will consider changing my read on Qwerty.


Off the top of my head, Breshke in New Years'.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:18 GMT
#655
Also some dude in that Ace game I think. Ship mafia or something? I'd have to double check but I can't do that by phone.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 19 2015 20:19 GMT
#656
I think it was VA but I'm not 100%.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 14:22 GMT
#752
I'm not mafia, though.

D:
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 17:55 GMT
#756
On May 20 2015 23:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 19:55 sciberbia wrote:
This post will be a lot of interesting observations and no real conclusions. I'm hoping someone else can tell me what to make of these observations.


The start of the Vivax wagon is really bizarre. There are 0 votes on Vivax and the lynch seems to be coming down to Shockey vs Obi. Then, Palmar makes a case on Vivax, and shortly thereafter, 4 votes drop on Vivax within the span of 2 minutes of each other: Damdred --> Stutters --> Palmar --> Obi

GB makes a good point that Damdred's vote is questionable. Idk if Damdred is scum, because there were serveral things in his filter I thought were townie, but the vote is definitely a bit odd. He had scumreads on shockey, zealos, and obi which he never backed down from, yet he just kinda organizes this voteswitch onto vivax out of nowhere.

Stutters, having not said jack shit about Vivax all day, sheeps Palmar's case.

Palmar then drops his vote at Damdred's prompting. So, the previous leading candidate was Obi/Shockey. Palmar never even looks at my case on Obi or mentions Obi at all. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred, his other top scumread, is the one organizing the switch onto Vivax. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred is voting Vivax out of nowhere. Kinda sketchy. Like I'm not expecting Palmar to unvote Vivax just because Damdred voted him. But I would have expected Palmar to least raise eyebrows at Damdred's behavior. Instead, he just seems happy to have another disciple for his Vivax case.

Lastly, Obi who is clearly trying very hard not to get lynched and paying close attention to the vote count, has left his vote on the Shockey counterwagon to himself until he is assured that the Vivax counterwagon is strong enough. Then he switches his vote.


I still kinda think Obi is mafia. Don't really know about Damdred/Palmar/Stutters, as I have reasons to think each of them are town. I think everyone should go back and look at how the Vivax wagon formed though. It just seems really weird to me and makes me think there could have been multiple mafia on it.



Both Palmar and Obi are mafia.

After you question obi:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

A) I questioned stutters before I changed my read on Damdred.
B) It doesn't fucking matter.

As for me being more active when I have votes on me, it's almost like I'm trying not to be lynched. :o


Why doesn't he want to be lynched? So the mafia can continue to win of course. I don't care if I get lynched cause at least everything I've said will help town in the future, the point is to win. While obi just seems like he wants to survive to the last day

Vivax's first vote was for Obi:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote:
Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win.

##Vote Obi

Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time.


Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote:
I'm genuinely mad at him for being town.


Are you? really?

Why would Palmar decide to just provide a case against Vivax? Because he was going after his partner. Just like what happened to me on day one. I went after Palmar and Palmar and Obi followed - as they still do so now. It was easy to remove on town person they knew was town, he wasn't as active as others and his style was not what people were used to, which made it easier to pin him as mafia. Of course everyone bought into that random mumbo jumbo and lynched our VT.

Either way, I'm still sticking to my votes and still will be going after Palmar and Obi.



I don't even see how you could have reached the conclusion that both Palmar and I are mafia with this post.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 18:56 GMT
#761
On May 21 2015 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Not even a comment on my post obi sadness


I haven't been able to parse it properly. I'm doing job search related things right now.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#762
On May 20 2015 15:02 Qwerty! wrote:
cant say i was expecting scrib to defend me like that, but ive been successfully pocketed

ObiWanShinobi is scum mostly because of scriberbias case. i noticed two additional reasons.

1. inconsistent tone

obi normally plays as he pleases, and is willing to be aggressive, disagree with people, and doesnt really care what others think of him. this game has many examples of this. however, there is one post that is a major departure from this:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 11:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm aware I'm being a useless shit but I will try to rectify this tonight. Questions/concerns can be levied to me at your leisure.

To answer Damdred: I mostly think Shining is town because I don't think he would necessarily lie about any kind of health condition in a game. It's not exactly a strong read at this point in time but there you go.
(Besides that fact, I thought him coming back during his trip just to try to make stuff happen was pretty town, plus I thought his other posts were relatively strong enough to warrant a townread.)
i dont really see this post coming from a town obi at all (given the tone of the rest of his posts this game). Town can be headstrong and stubborn, town can be apologetic and meek, but its really hard to see both in such a short time period.

And it's not like obi put out enough content to fully correct his being useless, but his tone completely reverted to his original complete confidence.

2. i feel a tone change once the lynch started shifting to vivax. this isnt necessarily an issue, but obi's tone (to me) seems to be smug, which isnt really fitting for a townie who was just up for lynch.


as for onegu... i checked my meta more carefully, and i was mistaken about the frequency that he complains about being town. this is pretty embarrassing...

still, its a point against him, and im suspicious of him.

another reason he is scummy is how aggressively he commented on plynches and inactives (his second read of the game is on me), when i know that he hates inactives, shown by this post from Student Mafia VIII.
And from this game:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote:
Could lynch into the lurkers. And sho also.
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 04:01 Onegu wrote:
I really dont like zelous at this point.

First he says only one of palmar or damdred is mafia.

He votes Damdred for not looking like his assassination game. Which doesnt make much sense as my play isnt going to look like that game either.

Then he says we should switch to palmar for???? Not really sure I guess because palmar hasnt done anything...

Then he goes back to Damdred for the same assassination reason.

What changed Palmar still hasnt done anything. So why switch again?

##Vote Zealous
I bolded the inconsistency. I find it really strange that onegu is inconsistent about how his stance on less active players,
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 13:01 Onegu wrote:
Quarty gets replaced I think, even though I have seen him post in other threads. Really if he comes in and posts and makes a vote I could really lynch him.
And a final example. From someone who hates plynching inactives?

By the time of the lynch, Onegu expressed suspicions on the following:
Qwerty!
GlowingBear
Sealoz
Shockey
Vivax
Oatsmaster
Palmar (more on this later)
scriberbia

I don't really see a sense of direction here at all. he's fanning out and giving him as many lynch choices as possible.

He's also really heavily following the thread sentiment on all of his votes (Sealoz and then Vivax). Policy voting me isnt enough to change this.

Finally, his discussion with palmar makes no sense. First he seems disappointed that Palmar disappeared, and he says that he disagreed with Palmar's first read. Palmar never explains his Damdred scumread. Still, Onegu alternates between begging Palmar to come back and solve the game and being potentially willing to lynch him.


my head is hurting (i got a cold ), this is about it from me for tonight, i think. will answer any questions though.

not really sure about the third mafia yet, though some of stutters' early posts were really suspicious (specifically the way he referenced how assassination mafia changed his mindset).


Tone is not enough to warrant a lynch, especially if you have no idea what to compare it to.

Try harder.
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