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On May 27 2015 06:01 Barakos wrote:
I'm not very fond of lynching bunnies atm.
somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher.
Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours.
That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something.
What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm...
In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today.
If you have a suggestion and a reason for who we should lynch instead, I am all ears. 
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On May 27 2015 06:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 06:06 disformation wrote:On May 27 2015 06:01 Barakos wrote:
I'm not very fond of lynching bunnies atm.
somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher.
Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours.
That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something.
What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm...
In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today. If you have a suggestion and a reason for who we should lynch instead, I am all ears. He thinks we should lynch SL today.
Oh right, he is one of the guys with their vote still on sicklucker. I don't really like how sicklucker vanished as soon the danger was over for him.. but I really liked how he was trying to cooperate and today. On the other hand I can't read him very well... if I can read him at all...
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Wasn't BM clearing sicklucker from being mafia?
That is in one of the last things BM posted:
On May 26 2015 01:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 15:22 Tictock wrote:
SL you are either
A) Scum
B) Town that cares more about defending themselves at all costs (including lie and spread disinformation) than finding scum
B is not ideal, but I'd be ok with it. Thankfully that's not a worry since you are scum. im pretty sure he, like me, is B he cares more about living than finding scum it's a bad character trait that i have some games
But yeah he never explained/followed up on the bunnies vote...
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Oh damn. He was praising ticktoc for the SL / plotspot connection after that post, wasn't he?
Ah FFS this game...
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great.
apply face to desk and repeat.
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Will need to look at 27ninjabunnies case on Bill Murray again. But my feelings tell me that both wagons were on town.
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On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote:
Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1.
I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?
A roleblocker?
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Also this sounds like you are blue hunting...
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Could the remaining mafia team be sicklucker + plotspot after all? Will have to reread a lot of stuff, again. xD
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On May 27 2015 07:44 plotspot wrote:
just for clarification is blue hunting a neutral word or a term people usually only used for mafia?
well, blue hunting is a bad thing for a town to do, so it indicates mafia (or 3rd party for that matter).
Since, as town you don't want people to know who your blues are. Since if people know, mafia will know, too. And mafia loves to shoot blues.
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On May 27 2015 16:09 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo acualy pushed bunnies unlike the other scrubs altho he got swayed at the end
Yeah. I get the feeling that I am swayed too easy. My waffling is really bad this game, too. Should try harder to eliminate these aspects from my play. -.-
At least my pushing is a bit better than last game, imo.
Semi-present... trying to reevaluate some stuff. If you have questions axe me some.
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On May 28 2015 07:04 batsnacks wrote:
Alright. I'm the cop. Barakos and 27nb are town. We're lynching sulfur today.
##vote sulfurus
I can totally see bunnies being your N2 check...
but why barakos?
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I am a bit weary because... masons... and town roleblocker... and cop? never!
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On May 28 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote:
mafia needs 3 lynches to win. Seems like an unwinnable fake claim so easy to believe it. If there was two I would be super paranoid
cop is also the best role to claim for mafia in this situation, imo.
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On May 28 2015 07:48 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 07:46 disformation wrote:On May 28 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote:
mafia needs 3 lynches to win. Seems like an unwinnable fake claim so easy to believe it. If there was two I would be super paranoid cop is also the best role to claim for mafia in this situation, imo. if they needed two lynches its a great fakecalim, You kill sulf today then kill me the next day and you win if its like bats/bunnies or bats/barkos But they need 3
Ah, right.
Also batsnacks two cop checks totally make sense, when I looked at his filter. Hells he even asks you and bunnies what you think about barakos on D2.
Still not digging all these claims flying around...
Also... wasn't a fan of Sulfurus basically all damn game long... have at ye:
##vote: Sulfurus
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This game is a lot harder than the last game I played in.
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On May 28 2015 07:57 Barakos wrote:
Just saw it now... I was roleblocked. Didn't see the pm at first.
wat. is. this. game.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/5aLrlDiJPMPFS.gif)
I second the notion and think we have a really ridic setup at hand. With that in mind, I don't think the town rb (if there is one) should claim?
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On May 28 2015 08:25 sicklucker wrote:
Na definately claim. Makes it more believable now and its not like its a useful role. Were ahead we dont have to risk being behind.
The longer you dont claim the easier it is for mafia to cc you.
On May 28 2015 08:26 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 08:22 disformation wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote: I second the notion and think we have a really ridic setup at hand. With that in mind, I don't think the town rb (if there is one) should claim? cop + mason(s) + town rb that can block kp is massively overpowered vs any possible mafia roles. There is almost certainly not a town rb.
Okay, yeah I am getting it now.
I wasn't expecting the setup in this to be that different from my last game.
Still I am super mindblown at the moment. xD
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Okay folks. Let me solve this stuff...
- barakos and plotspot claimed RB.
- batsnacks claimed cop.
- greenchecks: bunnies and barakos
leaving: Tictock, boxerfred, Sulfurus, sicklucker
we are missing the second mason and of course there is no guarantee, that one of the greenchecks isn't the GF.
ticktoc looks to towny in my eyes (hopefully he will claim mason later).
PoE list is (not ordered):
- boxerfred
- Sulfurus
- sicklucker
I was doing a bit of VCA today evening and boxerfred and sicklucker ended up making that list, too... so here you are:
- sicklucker: could have attempted to save scott in this position, hammers him instead. Could have been engineered.
- boxerfred: looks super bad. this sparks my "fight" with him.
Evidence B: looking at these suspects and their votes/reasons for D2:
- boxerfred
List post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 17:56 boxerfred wrote:
Shady people:
- sicklucker (strong scum read by now)
- bunnies (scum read thus far, want to hear her answers to raised questions)
- that guy whose name I already forgot because he types so seldomly (sulfuras)
- disinformation (weak sk read by now, close to a null read)
Null reads:
- bill murray
gives me null after that: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4852...afia-x?page=55#1085
Switches to 2nd scum target (bunnies) here:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 23:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 22:31 Barakos wrote:On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote:
This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO. As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff. Well if SL is SK and we all agree on "there is no SK" it wouldn't be the most intelligent move to kill someone next night, would it? So we can all just vote bunnies now. ##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
Switches to Bill Murray... because I called him lurky? Wasn't I the big bad SK just a few moments ago?
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 00:18 boxerfred wrote:
I'll be around for 15 more minutes, then I'll be out for some hours. I think I'll be there in time for EoD. I want to see more pressure on Bill Murray, now that disinformation calls him lurky. I'm willing to give batsnacks a clean town lean by now, I'm unsure about SL by now and I don't see 27nb responding too well. Her points raised on BM are not too bad though.
##unvote
##vote Bill Murray
I'll be soon enough here to unvote BM if he responds in a good way. I'd like to see a bit more pressure und Sulfuras.
If you guys decide to pressure me in the meantime, be sure that I'll check the thread before EoD, roughly one hour before. Seeya then.
Votes bunnies. Doesn't like to vote Bill Murray for the same reason he didn't like to vote scott (but did anyway):
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote:
Let me elaborate further: while I think that putting pressure on BM is a good idea, we shouldn't toss another coin into the inactivity well and hope for a miracle. We were lucky enough to flip scott as scum. Not very likely that it happens a second time.
##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
- sicklucker
scum read on BM:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
votes BM:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
##vote bill murray
gets stuff from scott's filter and takes that as evidence to unvote on BM:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote:Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke actually I forgot their was coaches. It looks coached This was probably a pocket attempt. No one ever agrees with me unless they have a motive. Also I think breskes town because if his mafia game is to attack me of all people in a newbie game with really weak reasons I will berate him post game so hes probably town. Sulfurus Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 if anything scott spewed me as town not you. Scott talked about me more then you. If im mafia with scott why does he talk about me? Im willing to give you another day tho bill he did mention voting you. Good idea reminding me to read scotss filter. But im going to remind you to reread it because the way scott talks about me makes me town. On May 25 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote
updates reads:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote:
9) 27ninjabunnies - Was at first suspicious but leaned slightly town because I noticed we had same reads on people like sluf
10) Bill Murray - him getting soft pushed by a 3 post confirmed mafia is probably a great reason to keep him around
votes bats:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:40 sicklucker wrote:
Bats your backtracking again. That was you who said only you would make a huge chart as mafia? You said no towns do that. Now your trying to put scum on him?
I think this was a slip ##vote batsnacks
Clarifies that his read on bunnies is null:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
Thats fair I think. Bunnies more null
mentiones having to vote bunnies for survival:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 16:34 sicklucker wrote:
she ninjaed that read on sulp is what got me. I mean I dont think my read on her matters im going to have to vote her for survival it looks like and i think shes a good vote and not in my poe list
Digs up stuff on bunnies + votes on her:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 17:24 sicklucker wrote:
wait bunnies was pushing scott but never voted him. strange? she voted disinfo but you quote where she calls disinfo town yet voted him over a confirmed mafia On May 25 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote:
so bunnies afks her vote on the second wagon. While still saying scotts a great lynch. Sounds like a likely scott partner tbh On May 25 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
We have 15 mins to EOD right? And scott still hasnt shown up. Can anyone give a a semi vote count? shows up just at eod. Thats more likely as mafia then town from my experience On May 25 2015 17:34 sicklucker wrote:[...]this is interesting. This is the vote count right before bunnies voted. at the time she voted it was very close so her being in a mafia team makes so much sense I think im voting her today and never changing. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for
##Vote:Disformation So we have bunnies being the third vote on disinfo to scotts two votes. At this point of the game it didnt look like scott was the lynch so if shes partners with him getting the vote on the other guy with votes is your only play. ##vote bunnies
digs up stuff on barakos:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic) Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:41 Barakos wrote:
The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too.
So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start.
Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other. you dont say? ty for that qt info
votes barakos:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
##vote barakos
time to play the game G
updated scum list:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 14:41 sicklucker wrote:
barakos bunnies sulf. Two scum in there probably
bit of interaction with bunnies:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 16:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 15:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So is anyone actually trying to figure this game out, or nah? not you thats for sure got anything else?
Votes 27nb again. mentions that bill murray could also be mafia...
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 21:37 sicklucker wrote:
Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm On May 26 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote 21ninjabunnies
Goes to sleep, after the coast seems clear...
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
i might go sleep for 20 hours
- Sulfurus:
Super short filter, not much of worth.
Scum list, which at this point contains a LOT of confirmed town. Also throws away his vote on sicklucker:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 13:29 Sulfurus wrote:
As of this moment my lynches are
Sicklucker
Batsnacks
27NinjaBunnies
Bill Murray
BoxerFred
in that order
I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched.
##Vote: Sicklucker On May 26 2015 13:42 Sulfurus wrote:
EBWOP:
If we get an extra lynch through doc save and vigi shot I would add Disformation's name to the list (There might be a world where Scott's teammate had to vote on him so Dis wouldn't get lynched)
Does NOT talk about BM or bunnies on D2. And notice how good these two look on his scum list.
Evidence C (or TLDR): Results of D2 information:
- boxerfred: him switching a lot seemed strange, but he kept his vote on his scum read rather than a null read. Is in line with him not wanting to lynch inactives... but why doesn't he want us to lynch inactives? scott was super inactive... and Sulfurus is super inactive, too...
- sicklucker: looks good until the very last few posts. As soon as the danger of him being lynched he buggers off. And suddenly BM, who he cleared from being scum via the scott filter dive earlier, might suddenly be scum again?
- Sulfurus: A lot of confirmed town on his scum list. Super lurky... few interactions...
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