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Tictock
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On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote: ya of course i ignore batsnacks lol On May 23 2015 12:03 batsnacks wrote: ##vote sicklucker ignore this it's nothing + Show Spoiler + but I'm probably not switching   | ||
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Tictock
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Spoilers contain the reasons for my reads. I've already given my views on scott31337. On May 23 2015 12:08 Tictock wrote: Scott opens giving SL super easy towncred, questions plots opening, then makes an ok post. He gives a few more easy townreads then starts to suspect BM but is unwilling to actually pressure. In fact he ends this post with this That's a bit too casual for my tastes, especially since he hasn't posted since this. ## Vote: scott31337 I'm not even sure I need to remind people where Rels sits. So this dude plotspots who was super inactive at first makes a crazy spreadsheet/timetable of everyones posts for the first few hours of the game, this is posted ~20something hours before EoD. He gives us a decent chunk of reads based on this (do keep in mind he's ignoring more than half the game in this analysis). The effort is impressive, though I know I'm not alone feeling it's misguided. I left some thoughts I had about him pre-graphics which I think still hold for the most part. + Show Spoiler + #NotAlone On May 23 2015 10:45 sicklucker wrote: im not sure that charts gonna be useful but i wont vote you for making it On May 23 2015 11:24 batsnacks wrote: I really hate the activity based reads but meh plot is never the lynch on effort alone. I also hate this disformation wagon. Scotts is the better place for any vote... but... again whatev because disformation doesn't need me to defend him. Boxerfred is a guy I'm just not sure how to read yet. My instincts tell me he is just a newer player here and is used to a different play-style. I'd really like to see him answer Bre's question about his typical mafia experience and will be looking for more on him in the future. Will take some work to get me to lynch the guy. There are a lot of votes on Dis while all the reads and cases on him are super weak. I expect much better reasoning than what I am seeing from people given the length of his filter. The guy is so clearly town that I'm scumming anyone who stays on that wagon without giving better reasoning. + Show Spoiler + Guy is clearly trying.. He starts some early pressure on Sul who got lots of town reads early, this also supports his current pressure on him. On May 22 2015 21:33 disformation wrote: Hey guys, glad more people are active now. Currently at work, so I am not at 100% capacity. Still found something I want to point out: Which made me think "what did BM accuse me of? And when I looked at #191: Accusation where? There is also nothing else regarding me in his filter. So... @Sulfurus: Can you point out what you mean with accusation? If this was accusation thing was a mistake, how does that change your view on BM? Does his filter still look scummy enough to lynch him? He gives evidence that he is reading other games to get meta reads or check stuff. On May 22 2015 09:11 disformation wrote: Fair enough. Still want his explanation for the vote. Or better yet: why I should support this wagon. Btw I was browsing the Mafia Database for your games to see if you did that Iching reading stuff in other games. Was only able to find one game, where you did a similar reading at the start of the game. (assassination mafia). You were town that game. Also liked your reaction here: And overall he has stuck with his gut and put pressure on the 27nb and has kept up interactions. His case on Sul is decent and since Sul hasn't given any response or anything else to go on Dis' vote makes sense. Barakos jumps in the thread with a read and vote on Dis. I like his open and next few posts especially his questioning what BS actually got out of his Iching stuff. He drops off his views on SL, a hot topic this game. That's about all I see in his filter (it's short! you should check it out), will be on the lookout for more from him. Sulfurus made a nice opening post, jumped right into the game giving opinions and reads. Since then he's been gone... Basically just not enough to go on here, I could easily start scum reading him. I initially liked 27ninja[/red]bunnies[/red] both for the opening posts and her reaction to Dis' push (the first one). Then this post happens and it's all downhill. I liked the stuff about BF, thought it was solid... but how does that lead her to voting Dis? Like there is a bunch of discussion about it yet somehow 27nb determines that this association is grounds to move Dis from being town to her top Scum. How do you focus so hard on Dis because of an association with BF while ignoring BF? Bill Murray I could easily vote for the guy but I think we have better options. It has been mentioned several times that his play is erratic and often gets himself lynched. I'm not happy about how much the guy is lurking, and that will need to change especially since we know he is around. On May 23 2015 09:11 Bill Murray wrote: im home and i have my computer set up at my new house score Breshke I wasn't sure about him early on but I see town motivations for his early push. His vote of Dis is a bit odd, was a quick sheep on Barakos, and then he never really explains why he drops it too well. I like that he has kept up some pressure on SL and am glad to see he's expanded his thoughts on more people. He might be more null than I'm giving him credit for, but I've liked the directions he's been taking. Almost done, and we get to sicklucker. I've been trying to keep an open mind about his play style and not scum his easily but I can't deny that I see scum in his play. I made this point early on about SL's play. What's really bugging me now about him is that he's really non-committal. He's mentioning people he'd like to vote but doesn't seem bothered to actually do that. Look at the series of posts he makes starting here. This is after he was pressured for not really doing much. In this series of posts SL is able to bold several peoples names and manages to double the number of people he'd lynch. Then he acts like he's proven some point. To top that off he starts OMGUS tunneling BS in response to an obvious troll vote. It seems to me that this SL is more desperate to save his own skin than lynching people. I def don't know SL well, but itsn't town!SL far more likely to respond to BS sudden vote with something like "Nope, still town" or "Wrong, you should join me on this Dis vote though"? I also don't get why SL was so willing to vote Dis before BS distracted him. This is his first mention of Dis being a good vote. On May 23 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote: vote count? anyone voting disinfo? I might disinfo can you list your read. I have no idea what your reads are and you posted alot not a good sign Then after seeing Dis' reads said something about rereading Barakos and drops it. Only to suddenly start going after Dis a page or so later, never having mentioned Barakos again. SL has done a few things I like and they are the only things keeping me from voting SL atm. He makes some decent posts here On May 22 2015 17:27 sicklucker wrote: Like rels townread on barokos is given so easy and he posted like 6 minutes before he posted that huge list post. So were to believe he wrote that in 6 minutes or was nonstop pressing f5 to see if anyone posts as he made his list post? Potentially planned their stock as potential teammates went up On May 22 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote: Rels voting a 0 poster is -ev. Better to vote someone you slightly suspect then a 0 poster that might be replaced or modkilled. Dont be afraid now Lastly batsnacks. Sorry I don't have great reasoning here, his train of thought just makes a lot of sense to me. I get a lot of the motives behind his actions. I dislike how strongly he states some reads based off rather little, but even those posts have reasoning I like. Maybe I'm caught up in my initial read of the guy, but no way and I lynching his anytime soon. Probably not getting too much more from me till near EoD as I need to sleep and then have an early shift. I'll be keeping an eye on things and am fairly willing to shift my vote onto any of my scum reads atm. I do like the voting variety we have right now, but I'm nervous since right now things could go a number of ways and I'd really like our first train to hit scum. | ||
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Tictock
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On May 23 2015 18:48 Barakos wrote: TicTock: Since you are hopefully still here and one of my townreads: Do you really think lynching into the inactives is a good thing? Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip? I am still lurking though I should be asleep... I understand your conflict here, I've seen a lot of argument in these games against lynching inactive people and your notion of it being a coinflip makes sense from a theory standpoint. My problem is that reality does not match theory. In reality this notion makes it a good scum play to stay inactive D1. Town is likely to jump on each other early on and mafia can stay away while accusations are made and people build cases for them. In my last game there was a clearly inactive guy I voted for D1 and he did in fact flip scum when town followed through D2. So my advice, and what I am trying to do here, is to not focus on the fact that there is little content by the inactive players and instead focus on what they HAVE posted. Is there enough in the ~5 posts by those players to convince you they are town? | ||
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Tictock
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I'm tempted to say I want to read more and do this later, but I'm at work for a few more hours so screw it. ## Unvote ## Vote: 27ninjabunnies | ||
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Like Dis said he got D1 lynched last newbie game as well, but for very different reasons. Last game scott was much more active and did make multiple attemps at defending himself. Thats all till I get home... Mobile posting sucks | ||
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Tictock
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I already posted why I was scum reading her before this post. I really hate that post. The stuff about plots is ok, but has been said a few times before and same goes for the activity thing. Then she is trying to take the exchange between BS and SL from last night seriously when BS has himself said he was trolling SL (which I thought was obvious from the get go). I'm not even sure why she mentions Sul here, it looks so out of place I'd be willing to bet it was left over from editing the post multiple times. FInally, and this is the big thing to me. 27nb has said multiple times that she saw an association between BF, who she said was scummy at first, and Dis and has pushed Dis for it (never once directing pressure at BF, her actual scum read). This is basically her whole reasoning for tunneling Dis and now that she thinks BF is town she's still sure Dis is scum. The entire association thing never even made much sense. The idea that mafia!BF has a vote out and then mafia!Dis makes a case, so BF backs down? I don't see why a scum team would react to each other like that. Anyways judge for yourselves, here is all the posts 27nb has made to explain why she is voting Dis today. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis.... On May 22 2015 23:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: My read hasn't changed. I'm reconsidering. Still think he is town. I don't necessarily understand your push on him, something I have to reread. I do want to see BF's response to why he suddenly switch his vote. So the way I'm looking at it in my head is this: BF as newb mafia votes on BM just to be voting on someone...tlaks a bit, doesnt really push on BM, then mafia partner comes out with a case on me (town), and BF is like, ooo this looks good. Lets unvote, and go with mafia partner here. Im a video mafia player. I try and see connections between people because we don't do flips. And i see a connection there. On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit On May 23 2015 08:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: The connection between you and BF. So BF vote don BM right, but you come out with your case on me, and he unnvotes with just saying that he likes you post, but will reread late, right? With BF being a newbie, this just seems like, hey my mafia partner made a case, maybe I should follow it- type of thing to me. That is the connection I see. | ||
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Tictock
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On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin I'm not sure I trust your feelings. Certainly not enough to consider him in this last hour. Any thoughts about 27nb? | ||
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Barakos actually expanded his read on Dis, I still don't agree with it, but I do like the reads he was getting off the Iching stuff. I don't think it's enough to lynch anybody for and so I like BS's reaction to it as well. Basically at least he was able to backup his earlier read with clear thought, where as 27nb resends her reasoning but keeps the same conclusion. | ||
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Tictock
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And then BS said this On May 23 2015 20:11 batsnacks wrote: idk I was just drunk and messing around on my phone and was like "SL thinks he can ignore me eh, well let's see him ignore this." Then I thought about it some more and was like maybe that was a mistake. Then I thought about it even more and was like nah can't be that bad SL usually freaks out way more then he has when people scum read him for what he thinks are unreasonable reasons. I don't know how much more obvious it can be. | ||
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Tictock
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Like we played in the same game a week ago and I know your not new to these forums/games... | ||
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You really think it's scummy that BS doesn't think we should read too much from the Iching stuff? He made his stance pretty clear here. While I do like Barakos' attempt to glean something from the Iching stuff I too think it's a poor thing to base a read off of. | ||
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Tictock
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I'll admit, when you post stuff like this It rubs me the wrong way, but then I suppose I had a similar reaction to BS's vote on you. To me it was obv that he just wanted to bug you but you're very sure that he wants to lynch you (even though he moved his vote) | ||
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Or are you wanting to see scott flip? | ||
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On May 24 2015 06:26 Sulfurus wrote: @Tictock I think the Bats post you quoted is just straight up wrong. He literally cherry picked quotes to paint himself as a productive member of town when in reality it was people like Breshke and yourself who got the conversation started. And the reason I like Berakos's post so much is that it showed that Bat really didn't care about making reads off of his I-ching post like he said he would. Explain. In the post I linked to he's quoted a bunch of random super early posts. I never saw him claim his own early day stuff was "productive for town" in fact quite the opposite. Not sure where you are getting the idea he's trying to make himself look good. He's actually saying his own stuff is throwaway which seems like a very odd thing for Mafia to do. | ||
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Tictock
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On May 24 2015 06:36 Barakos wrote: @ tictock: I think my read a lot more solid than reads based on people not being in the thread / hardly posting, that's why I am sticking to it. It may not seem big to you, but what else do you want to base your reads on, if not on peoples mindset? I found disformations mindset to be suspicous and will keep my vote on him... not saying this won't change during the game, but I think he has atm the highest chance of flipping red at the end of the day. On the other question, why people who aren't voting inactives don't vote nb: I felt the small exchange I had with her ok... at least not suspicious @disformation: You're right, i fucked up with this sulfurus thing... dunno, what happened there, I must have mixed up some posts in sulfurus' filter. -.- sloppy by me. Sorry, disregard the part, where I say, sulfurus' post is too old. Still: my arguement, that a case based on tmi seems constructed to me and not very reasonable. I thought I said this somewhere already... I actually really liked your interpretations there. Looking at our responses to see our mindset is definitely a valid way to read us and I respect your read. I disagree with your conclusion that Dis is scum and I feel like your basing your reads a little TOO much based on the Iching stuff. I'd like it more if you had some evidence to show that Dis still has this mindset or something related to more recent posts. | ||
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Tictock
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Ok, I had missed that. I suppose that counts. I'm willing to look at BS more, but thus far I've had such a clear sense of his line of thought that I have a very hard time seeing him being scum. | ||
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