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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:17 Tictock wrote: Which was why I thought maybe you'd care to finally do that reading you always promised us... If you can't tell, im reading. Has anything I've said not shown that? Like read my freaking cases. My interactions with people. Like...fuck filter diving. Look at what is being talked about now. This game is frustrating me to no end. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
I've done a ton of reading and thinking putting my cases together. Yet everyone just dismisses it as some tunneled nonsense. My feelings that people aren't reading comes from the fact I don't see good reasoning as to why my case is wrong. Just fear that it COULD be wrong. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote: Sorry, I'm just in the same boat as you 27nb. I've done a ton of reading and thinking putting my cases together. Yet everyone just dismisses it as some tunneled nonsense. My feelings that people aren't reading comes from the fact I don't see good reasoning as to why my case is wrong. Just fear that it COULD be wrong. Yeah t could be wrong, and that's what we are trying to avoid. Wrong lynches. I actually really like your reasoning on Bara. I'm wondering if im just being pocketed by the green checks on us. Bara coming out like he did with the whole- oh im rb. my bad.- thing is perfect opportune play. But consider this, Tictock. If bara is actually gf, why did he propose people lynching him today to confirm plots? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:24 27ninjabunnies wrote: Yeah t could be wrong, and that's what we are trying to avoid. Wrong lynches. I actually really like your reasoning on Bara. I'm wondering if im just being pocketed by the green checks on us. Bara coming out like he did with the whole- oh im rb. my bad.- thing is perfect opportune play. But consider this, Tictock. If bara is actually gf, why did he propose people lynching him today to confirm plots? He never thought I'd be able to bring a case on him while assuming Plots was Towb RB. In my honest opinion. He was trying to protect plots. Remember this post by him? On May 31 2015 19:05 Barakos wrote: Just to make this clear... lynching me here is a bad play, cause i have a greencheck on me and was blocked on a night of a kill and am town... Lynching me is the correct play, if you think i am scum and support your roleblock-fakeclaim with my fakeclaim of being blocked. We can confirm you on so many other ways, that there is no reason for sane people to lynch me. Lynching me just is the right play for tictock, cause he lives in lala-land. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Here he is suggesting that the only was it makes sense to consider him scum is if you are crazy. Is that really True? If so then were Bats and plots crazy to use their night actions on him? They much have had solid reasons to suspect him, those night actions are important. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote: Woops sorry, wasn't done. Here he is suggesting that the only was it makes sense to consider him scum is if you are crazy. Is that really True? If so then were Bats and plots crazy to use their night actions on him? They much have had solid reasons to suspect him, those night actions are important. I guess I can see what you are saying. But idk. I'll reread their interaction there. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
At the same time, this could also have been a ploy to bury my case under several pages of posts. They started posting together near the end of D3, and keep doing it anytime I mention them both as a scum team. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:35 Tictock wrote: Please do, I really felt like they were clearly defending each other and supporting each other through my cases. At the same time, this could also have been a ploy to bury my case under several pages of posts. They started posting together near the end of D3, and keep doing it anytime I mention them both as a scum team. Alright, say we do lynch one of them, and that's a big IF. Which one would be lynched? As in which do you think is more detrimental to have in town if they are mafia? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
However I think Bara is clearly the more centered and reasoned of the 2. The point that it is safer to town to lynch him over plots, in the case that plots IS town RB, is also not bad. I dont buy it since I dont think plots is an RB, but lets roll with that. The biggest thing to me here, is that plots doesnt have a leg to stand on if Bara flips scum. In that case then we only have his word that he RB'd anyone and he looks really shitty. In the off chance that I'm wrong, and he doesn't RB someone tonight, and they claim it tomorrow then we've cleared plots. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Bara flips green. Someone come forward having been RB's tonight. If tomorrow plots says he RB'd someone and they deny it (his only recourse if I'm right, and he isn't stupid enough to block the NK again) then we have to assume plots is lying as well. We'd also have a full extra day phase to discuss if his role claim holds at that point or if we have to lynch him. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:48 Tictock wrote: Do keep in mind, the only way we can 100% trust plots is if one of the following is true. Bara flips green. Someone come forward having been RB's tonight. If tomorrow plots says he RB'd someone and they deny it (his only recourse if I'm right, and he isn't stupid enough to block the NK again) then we have to assume plots is lying as well. We'd also have a full extra day phase to discuss if his role claim holds at that point or if we have to lynch him. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 02 2015 01:46 Tictock wrote: Well tbh I would have said plos if you asked me that 20 hours ago. However I think Bara is clearly the more centered and reasoned of the 2. The point that it is safer to town to lynch him over plots, in the case that plots IS town RB, is also not bad. I dont buy it since I dont think plots is an RB, but lets roll with that. The biggest thing to me here, is that plots doesnt have a leg to stand on if Bara flips scum. In that case then we only have his word that he RB'd anyone and he looks really shitty. In the off chance that I'm wrong, and he does RB someone tonight, and they claim it tomorrow then we've cleared plots. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
I've got to leave for work in about 2 hours. Until then I'm more than happy to talk about possible holes in my case(s). I'll also promise to do a better job about keeping an open mind if anyone wants to discuss BF or anyone else being scummed today. I'm pretty sure everyone but plots and Bara are town, but I'm willing to entertain ideas. Also in regards to SL. I also dislike how he is not giving a shit these last 2 days now that the pressure is off him. However I find it to be overall in line with his play. Dis will remember how bad SL played as town last game, I see a lot of the same here. I could be wrong, but after tunneling SL most of D2 I felt fairly confident that he is town. Bre also helped talk some sense into me there, if people like i can dig up and paraphrase some of what he said to me. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
Need to verify some things with plots filter so it might take a while. I'll also make & eat dinner soon, so I don't know if I can manage that until you have to leave. Will you be around for EoD? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Starting pg6 in his filter (think that's about mid D3 or so) we see BF responding to Sul's post townreading him. From then on he pushes Dis (who have had a bit of a tug of war since D1) and there is clear exchange between the 2. Dis and BF are both suspecting each other and they come to a consensus. Later we see BF reacting to Dis's post suddenly scumming him again. There is other stuff going on (he's actually coming to the same notion as me about plots, but my tunnel on it turns him off the idea) but this exchange has been consistent. Why would BF as scum dismiss the clear target D3 Sul like this? Sul is a safe target to ride on, but instead he focuses the far more active Dis. The whole exchange between the 2 of them feels really towny to me. They have gone back and forth on suspecting each other all game, which tells me neither knows how to read the other and they just lack better targets. There is no way the exchange I see between the 2 of them happens between scum, there is too much poking and questioning going on. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On June 01 2015 21:05 disformation wrote: Was thinking about that a bit, too. The same would apply to sicklucker. Which would mean 27ninjabunnies and me would be the mafia team. Which is unfortunately impossible as my role pm says otherwise. So it is also very possible that one of these two (sicklucker, boxerfred) was trying to bus bunnies for town cred in case she gets lynched. So that is a bit WIFOM. As explained above sicklucker+27ninjabunnies could also be a thing. But unflipped associations are not really helpful right now. I voted and pushed bunnies twice. unflipped associations are really helpful now with 3-4 potential mafia. I wish more people would use them like barkos (altho correctly) so I dont have to do the work in the next 5 hours | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
No, sorry. EoD is 4pm my time, which is great. Except I close my store regularly so I work 2-10pm pretty often. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Have you read my latest case on Bara? It is tunnel free, I promise. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On June 02 2015 00:40 27ninjabunnies wrote: So. By POE- mafia are BF and SL. I think those would be great lynches. I also really want to sheep ticktock and vote plots... because fuck plots for making absolutely horrible roleblocks. I am currently voting bf. Try again | ||
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