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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 11:37 GMT
#12
Kind of tempted...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 11:39 GMT
#14
Any estimate for start date?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 14:17 GMT
#16
Oh.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 14:18 GMT
#17
Who bothers to read the thread when you can post?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 06:49 GMT
#29
/in
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 20:58 GMT
#37
/out
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 11:32 GMT
#40
Oh :/

Hm... I *might* rejoin. I'm just a bit unsure if I can have enough time to play this game properly. We'll see.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 02 2015 14:50 GMT
#49
/in again... for now
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 06 2015 20:08 GMT
#64
On May 07 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:
/in

I'll be bringing my A game as I did in Noir before I was accidentally mislynched. I'm not even starting a new job in the near future!

PS: I won't RNG unless it's a good idea


(=always)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 07 2015 17:23 GMT
#90
Oh it's happening. Nice.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 09:07 GMT
#230
We meet again, KSC. Last time was... interesting.

Don't really like the two people wasting posts / making excuses from the start. LS and BM, that is. That's what some of the scum did in the last post-limited game I played so that's something to keep an eye on.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 10:01 GMT
#233
Hmkay.... Dunno why you'd post all those useless posts instead of posting your "stuff". Hopefully you have something good in store then.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 10:09 GMT
#234
On May 10 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that Trfel and KSC seem to be thinking critically now.

Your original question kel was a little lacking but the follow up was much better I think.

Firstly I don't necessarily have to agree with someones read on them to like the direction that they are going in the way that they are posting or the ideas they are pushing.

I think that HTS tone is decent in the post and I just kind of tacked it on to see who would call me out on it while they were reading. Plus it got some more conversation going

(5)



A bit worried about this one too. That's like the easiest excuse for making fabricated reads in existence :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 14:30 GMT
#247
On May 10 2015 23:09 Stutters695 wrote:
Cool, this started. I don't think I've ever done a n0, anything special about it?


Not really except the really strict post restriction.

I can't read the LS post TLDR / conclusions, if any?

KSC: I can sort of agree with the fact that making weird plays (Damdred) more often comes from town. It's just that this assumes that it *was* in fact a prepared play and not to cover up questionable reads. In any case, how exactly did LS's post make you change your read? I at least couldn't really extract anything from it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#252
On May 10 2015 23:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 23:30 Xatalos wrote:
On May 10 2015 23:09 Stutters695 wrote:
Cool, this started. I don't think I've ever done a n0, anything special about it?


Not really except the really strict post restriction.

I can't read the LS post TLDR / conclusions, if any?

KSC: I can sort of agree with the fact that making weird plays (Damdred) more often comes from town. It's just that this assumes that it *was* in fact a prepared play and not to cover up questionable reads. In any case, how exactly did LS's post make you change your read? I at least couldn't really extract anything from it.


well, my initial scum read on him was because the first few posts were terrible and didn't say anything. He said he was going to post in a specific, albeit terrible, way and now he has actually made a contribution to the game I don't have any reason to scumread him anymore.

I'll reevaluate him when he gives more as his post didn't break any new ground, null for now


I guess null is a decent place for him for now. I can't say his recent post did much of anything either though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 17:13 GMT
#266
How is her entrance scum-specific exactly? Does she open some way as scum, not as town?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 18:18 GMT
#275
On May 11 2015 02:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
How is her entrance scum-specific exactly? Does she open some way as scum, not as town?

Wait I retracting I had misread it she done this type of entrance as town just been a while since she did (Titanic) sorry about that HTS just bleed town for me please? <3


Right -.- And what's your read now if we ignore that?

On May 11 2015 03:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: BlazingVivax

badass


Not 3P?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 18:23 GMT
#278
That's too bad. I thought your trauma would last at least a couple of games.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 17:46 GMT
#617
Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away.

What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these:

On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer.
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread?


It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 17:50 GMT
#620
About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:01 GMT
#629
On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote:
On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own.

The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not.


If Trfel and BH are both scum, it's obviously a must-do to just prevent it. Them both being scum makes sense. If BH is scum and Trfel town, then it doesn't make much sense to prevent it (better save it for a teammate). It only makes sense if he has lots of uses for it and he doesn't need to worry about wasting it. If BH is town, it *somewhat* makes sense to immediately use it (considering the random way BM went about using the nuke) but it's still quite weird to just use it so easily.

All in all I think the most sensible explanations are BH+Trfel being scum or BH being scum and Trfel being town, but BH having enough uses of the ability to afford using it on a townie.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:09 GMT
#631
Pre-flip associations are the best
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:10 GMT
#632
Well the main point was that it makes more sense for BH to be scum either way, it's not necessarily very indicative of Trfel's alignment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:13 GMT
#636
Hm I guess if BH was town and had tons of uses for it, it might make sense to just shoot down a badly planned nuke. I still think it would make far sense for town BH to wait a bit and see if anything interesting comes out of it / Trfel actually just wasn't scum being shot.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:22 GMT
#641
On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:
15/60

Pfff, you ninjaed me BM.

On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before

and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game

if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up


Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum?

Second part of this post aimed at Damdred -

On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.

I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10)


I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)?


Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative...

Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently.

RS can you give me something to work with?

Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv.

(11?)


Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true

Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?

I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.

I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:24 GMT
#645
lol...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:25 GMT
#646
Maybe we just need to policy BM out of the way haha...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:27 GMT
#649
Otherwise I'm mostly considering LS and BH at the moment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:31 GMT
#654
Is it usual for there to be fake nukes? I don't think there were any in the only nuke game I played ages ago. There's also nothing like that in the OP.

Various countries with nukes or antinukes. Nukes arrive at end of cycle.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:42 GMT
#671
On May 12 2015 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:
On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:
15/60

Pfff, you ninjaed me BM.

On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before

and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game

if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up


Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum?

Second part of this post aimed at Damdred -

On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.

I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10)


I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)?


Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative...

Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently.

RS can you give me something to work with?

Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv.

(11?)


Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true

Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?

I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.

I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out.


Ok so aside from those three where are the rest of your reads to the actives in the game at least?


Let's see.......

Not sure about rsoultin. I think someone said it well when they said "reading her posts gives me brain cancer". She seemed somewhat similar to the other game (Ippo) though so maybe town?

sandroba I think is probably town. He was just abysmal in the other game (Ippo) as scum and he seems to have put in plenty of effort here. The difference is so big that I'd even go as far as call him strongly town for now.

Trfel gave me some of the same uncomfortable feeling as LS (fluffy posts and questions etc.), but less severely. Might be worth looking into but I think LS would be a better lynch atm.

You feel somewhat towny so far being pretty "sharp" and focused (I mean for example focusing on me like that and not in a way to push a mislynch, felt more like actually interested in my alignment). Town for now I guess.

KSC has been pushing stuff pretty aggressively so maybe a town lean?

If I didn't mention someone it's probably null or nothing special just happened to come to mind.

Left Vivax and TD off specifically because I'll need to look into their filters next.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 18:46 GMT
#678
Well the only stronger reads I have so far are a scumread on LS, a townread on sandroba and a townread on Damdred. Can't say something is strong if it simply isn't.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 19:00 GMT
#694
Could lynch Vivax so far. He hasn't done much and what he's done is sheeping thread sentiment on myself and randomly scumreading Damdred for a pretty far-fetched reason. Both targets for suspicion-spreading are probably town. I think his scum meta was being useless which fits here well enough.

Not really sold on TD. I think his reads seem decent enough and he's put in some effort. How exactly is he "blending in" or something?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 19:02 GMT
#697
On May 12 2015 04:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 03:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I guess I'm just going to keep my vote on Vivax. I was the first to call him out on not posting for 3 days and what he has done since coming back has been 2nd worse in the entire thread

I realize my play this game has been shit and put an easy target on my back for the mafia

I'd like to point out that Onegu is clearly anti town too if you want to look into that



ok, I think we can leave the nuke discussion for now, BM is either mafia or an idiot so probably going to lynch him but don't need to discuss it.

does anyone have thoughts on Obi, Oats and Bats?

they're in the game and posted a bit but no one has really bothered to give a read on them


Well I guess those three would fit the bill of "blending in" better than TD Dunno... Pretty null IMO. Did you have something specific in mind?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 19:03 GMT
#698
Oh yeah...

##Vote LightningStrike
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 19:16 GMT
#702
On May 12 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 04:00 Xatalos wrote:
Could lynch Vivax so far. He hasn't done much and what he's done is sheeping thread sentiment on myself and randomly scumreading Damdred for a pretty far-fetched reason. Both targets for suspicion-spreading are probably town. I think his scum meta was being useless which fits here well enough.

Not really sold on TD. I think his reads seem decent enough and he's put in some effort. How exactly is he "blending in" or something?


If every time a town lynches mafia, they followed thread sentiment.


Every time a scum mislynches town, they followed thread sentiment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 19:17 GMT
#704
On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_-
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far?


Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 20:46 GMT
#730
On May 12 2015 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Xatalos could you give your full TD read now, I think you skipped it to this point ya?


Something specific about him? I said earlier that he looked fine from the quality of his reads and for putting in some effort. I think there was a case against him somewhere but I can't remember being particularly impressed by it. Could someone make a summary of what makes him scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 20:54 GMT
#733
On May 12 2015 04:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 04:17 Xatalos wrote:
On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_-
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far?


Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads?

I got HTS as town she seems to try to get discussion going and not afraid of interacting with others plus her opening was very similar to her opening in the latest Titanic game when she was town.
I got KSC as he trying to interact with others trying to give his thoughts and stuff and haven't been blue hunting like the time I ran into him when he was scum (Carol).
I got Sandroba as town he actually had some good analyses early on that was insightful and isn't afraid of giving people a piece of his own mind.
I got rsoultin (tina) as town even though she was being a pain in the butt (which I don't blame her because of Damdred being a pain in the butt towards her) she actually got some decent content.
Vivax is my strongest scumread he haven't really posted much and not being crazy like I normally would expect from him when he's town.


Could you clarify how you read Vivax? I don't remember playing with him when he's town (probably have but forgot). I think I've played with him when he was scum two times and both times he spread some random suspicion and was overall quite lazy/useless, especially later on.

I kind of liked your post after this one where you explained your read on jat. It felt like you were actually considering his alignment.

Gotta go to sleep soon but I'll consider alternative lynches when I get back to reading.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 21:09 GMT
#737
On May 12 2015 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 05:54 Xatalos wrote:
On May 12 2015 04:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 12 2015 04:17 Xatalos wrote:
On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_-
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far?


Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads?

I got HTS as town she seems to try to get discussion going and not afraid of interacting with others plus her opening was very similar to her opening in the latest Titanic game when she was town.
I got KSC as he trying to interact with others trying to give his thoughts and stuff and haven't been blue hunting like the time I ran into him when he was scum (Carol).
I got Sandroba as town he actually had some good analyses early on that was insightful and isn't afraid of giving people a piece of his own mind.
I got rsoultin (tina) as town even though she was being a pain in the butt (which I don't blame her because of Damdred being a pain in the butt towards her) she actually got some decent content.
Vivax is my strongest scumread he haven't really posted much and not being crazy like I normally would expect from him when he's town.


Could you clarify how you read Vivax? I don't remember playing with him when he's town (probably have but forgot). I think I've played with him when he was scum two times and both times he spread some random suspicion and was overall quite lazy/useless, especially later on.

I kind of liked your post after this one where you explained your read on jat. It felt like you were actually considering his alignment.

Gotta go to sleep soon but I'll consider alternative lynches when I get back to reading.

Vivax as town is usually calls everyone scum at one point or another and actually engage people with somewhat reasonable manner till later in the game. As scum he's much lazier and loves to bus. You had played with Town Vivax in Carol


Could be, can't remember him from there. Probably because the game was so short (I think it was the game where I was busted D1 and the game ended in a draw because of host failure or something)

Tbh he's kind of been calling people scum so far. Not sure if that metric is so accurate.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 16:13 GMT
#1155
Back. Sorry about the long AFK streak but I simply haven't been able to catch up for a while and even now I missed an IRL event just to get some time to read these games.

I still can't get quite over LS. Just as I yesterday thought that I might have misjudged him when he went on talking about meta reads etc., he posted this:

On May 12 2015 13:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Hello guys I had caught up and people are now wanting to policy lynch BM even though I think he's town for the fact he's to trigger happy to be scum with his nuke o.o Also people are suspecting Xata(His filter looked okay but I can be convinced that he's scum if someone can case him pretty good) now too along with Oats(He seems lazier than Office Mini and Void when he was lazy town) plus BH(Which I kinda agree with some of the thoughts from others about BH regarding his content regardless of his power). rsoultin is getting extremely angry at Onegu since Onegu is being a pain in the butt to her... Also GB looks very townie atm and I pretty sure he will catch scum very fast like he did in Carol :O
@KSC: Yes I actually do have High Functioning Autism I did tell you that I think in our latest game together when you or someone joked around using Autism as a insult -_-
@Bill Murray: Don't feel discouraged man I believe you are town and I want you to prove to everyone how you are town!


It's... just... so sheepish/inconclusive. Like he's wanting to make friends and blend in rather than to progress the game.

Dunno what rsoultin was going on about with the "conveniently forgot about Carol" or something. First I was a townread and suddenly scum for some nonexistent reason when people started doubting me? Frankly I can't remember most of my games too well and I only remember something like trying to antagonize marv, slipping in PM's and getting lunched in that game. I think jat was also in my team but that's about it. rsoultin might as well be scum for that rather convenient read progression.

I don't think sandroba's lack of reaction to specific events really makes him scum. Did you see his last scumgame Palmar? It was abysmal. He's clearly trying here so that's enough to make me think he's not scum for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 16:21 GMT
#1157
Ah, that game. Lol. I played quite unorthodoxly in that game though, focusing on defending teammates and plainly pushing scum agenda (relying on my bussing scum meta). It didn't go too well in the end.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 16:24 GMT
#1158
What was your reason to townread LS exactly? You said something about a silly smurf sidebar....?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 16:24 GMT
#1159
Your reads are just generally too weird for me to understand.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 16:29 GMT
#1161
I'd like that list. I simply can't understand your read progression on me as it is nor your read on LS.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 16:33 GMT
#1162
Vivax could well be scum though. It's his tendency to be rather useless as scum and that's what he's being like here.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:00 GMT
#1172
On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote:
Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit...


On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!


Tbh I think Onegu *is* actually soft claiming Traitor here. "Not happy about being town", "I want to be scum".... Even with the actual word "Traitor" in there. It's pretty blatant, yeah, but it would make sense to be somewhat obvious to get the scumteam to notice you. I think he just went slightly overboard there while doing that.

On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post...


Then there's this... Basically he's defending himself using the argument that he was too stupid / didn't think when posting that. It just feels off that he would specifically defend himself using the "dumb" argument. I get the feeling that he planned it out and was preparing to use that defense just like this after fulfilling the purpose of signaling the scumteam.

He's also not really interested in figuring the game out at all. He's just wasting his N0 posts, continues wasting his D1 posts (giving some shallow reads and one-liners like going through the motions, but otherwise nothing noteworthy)...


On May 13 2015 01:52 Onegu wrote:
## Give 5 posts to Rsoultin

Just so I can see her rage some more.

Some more hearts. She is still scum though.


+ Show Spoiler +
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His most recent post showcases the lack of interest in anything useful, even going so far as to push scum agenda (simultaneously wasting his posts and fueling the fire/chaos in thread).

On May 12 2015 08:08 Onegu wrote:
I really doubt a scum BM would fire to nukes.


Weird defense of BM? I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Unfortunately we apparently can't know BM's alignment anymore.

On May 12 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote:
Ok so here is why Trfel is town. The way he tried to nuke back immediatly looks townie. Like I have a feeling that scum would already know there are nukes in the game, and the way he did it makes him really townie to me.

Lol @ Marv. Such a shit read on me, I want to roll scum and the fact that I used 3 !, just confirms the fact that I wanted to be scum or able to be scum.

People saying BH should be lynched for TMI is also terrible, If I had a anti nuke I would have stopped it also. Also marv saying it is bad to stop it right away is odd. Like what info are you expecting to get? I feel like this is more blue hunting, maybe finding out who has more anti nukes.

<3 GB for the defense but it was such a shit read you get no points from me for now.

Why is Rsoul getting town read so hard so fast. I know she can look really townie but Im not seeing it. She seems almost lazy to me. Her reads arent that intense either. I know she never has confidence in her reads but still they are normally stronger. Seems soft to me. If she rolled scum and I didnt Im going to be upset. Since this isnt a PM game here is my mandatory non town read on her <3.

I really want to see if BM's second nuke goes off. I think I would find it weird if he can fire 2 nukes in one day.

LS seems less active than I am used to also. Maybe its just a post restriction game.

Yamato could be mafia, see what he does today since he doesnt work. Would be funny if hapa troll rolled him scum.

Could totally sheep Palmar, He is playing and he catches dem scum.

Still have a few filters to read but these are my thoughts off the top of my head.



Also really no one else is wondering how we are in ancient rome and there are nukes going off? I mean srs...





This is pretty much his biggest contribution to the game. Pretty... inconclusive / weak. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the only thing he did so far.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:03 GMT
#1173
I think Onegu is pretty certainly a Traitor. Everything fits, from the Traitor breadcrumb to his lack of interest in doing anything remotely related to scumhunting.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:09 GMT
#1176
Much more comfortable with that than LS...

##Unvote
##Vote Onegu
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:23 GMT
#1183
On May 13 2015 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 02:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 13 2015 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Although Xatalos in here Traitor hunting looks bad too. Whatever.


What's wrong with traitor hunting?

It's akin to SK hunting as mafia - something that isn't super optimal for them to be in thread doing, but somethign they can do to feign actual contribution to the hunt for mafia.


Well, even if I was scum finding a Traitor, it'd be a win to lynch him no?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:25 GMT
#1184
As for actual scum, Vivax would probably be one based on meta and LS still sends my alarm bells ringing with several of his posts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:26 GMT
#1185
Maybe rsoultin too, her read progression frankly borders on impossible and she just went away when I asked her to explain.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:31 GMT
#1191
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.

Like this post right,
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 05:36 sandroba wrote:
marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.

marv doesnt do that.

And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content.

And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense.
Talkingdead especially.

Is that rayn?





On May 11 2015 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul, just cause you don't town read someone it doesn't mean they are scum.
Give me one reason why marv is scum.

Sandro just made a completely unnecessary post calling gb town when nobody is even talking about gb. Why did you make that post Sandro?
Also your points involving td are that he has a weird read on gb and damdred?
Why is that read scummy?



On May 11 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On May 11 2015 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote:
If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.


I can understand the yamato read.

Why Oats?

Random read on me which is illogical and nitpicky. Random defense of marv.

You are town.
Marv is not scum yet.


I can't explain what Oats is doing with his reads either. What happened to your scumread on sandroba suddenly, Oats? You're accusing him for a while and suddenly he's just incomprehensibly town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:34 GMT
#1195
On May 13 2015 02:30 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 01:27 rsoultin wrote:
61/75

heh -_- i knew i was close but i didn't think i was this close

give me posts and i'll talk to you. otherwise, read my filter. it's amazing how easy it is to find things i've already said in there -_-

i may even, amazingly, be willing to do a list post in collegiate writing just for the people who constantly complain about brain cancer and have trouble with simple reading comprehension ^^


more like i'm being a bitch xDDDDDDDDDDD

because you either can't fucking read which amusingly what i was just complaining about, or you literally started asking me questions, trying to get a list post out of me when i had no posts...while not giving the posts i specifically asked you to donate if you wanted a conversation with me ^^ and given you're now trying to use it as the basis of your scumread, i'm definitely leaning toward the second option

frankly, very few things irritate me as much as having to repeat myself, especially in a post restrictive game when i'm naturally spammy

i'll address things in my own time


##Give 1 post to rsoultin

There.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:48 GMT
#1199
I think I'm the first one to vote for Onegu. Besides BM I guess....

That's what you get for being AFK until near deadline. It's not very likely that your scumreads will be completely original at that point, but nothing you can do about that. I've just been AFK, that's all.

I haven't even called Oats scum btw. I was just wondering whatever happened between those posts. He did post that post you mentioned a lot later but sandroba was already playing a lot different from his scum meta earlier. Why was he scum then? And not anymore?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 17:54 GMT
#1200
On May 13 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote:
62/76

fine. i'll play ball, but only because i think there might be some random townie out there similarly incapable of reading

my read progression on you isn't strong because my read on you isn't strong. i was sheeping damdred as a townread who has demonstrated in the past that he is much better at reading you than i am. my filter makes that clear a million times over, which is why i know you're not reading ^^ oh, that and you've shown an amazing ability to not read entire posts of people who are in the thread talking with you at the time

you may think it's cute to sheep ksc's awful read, but i don't. he sits here and changes his mind based on little then thinks it's scummy for others to? a "180" on someone you don't have a strong lean on in the first place is not a "180" and if either of you genuinely believe that you're imbeciles ^^

as for ls...

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:
12/60

On May 12 2015 02:47 Vivax wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:17 marvellosity wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv

honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.

btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.


On May 12 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax really is an excellent lynch. Xata pretty ok lynch too though.



Really simple question dudes. What happened to BM here?


ummm he's lynching bm? what's your point?

@xata

don't take this to the bank cause bad track record but i actually think ls could be town this game for the silly little smurf sidebar lol >< also for some of the phrasing used when he did it

kinda more interested why this is the only thing you want to talk about, though. let me make it easy. not lynching ls right now. give me someone else you want to lynch


let me make this really, really simple for you. i have a tendency to read ls town. i'm aware of it. but him going out of his way to collect meta on anyone is usually a sign that he's town, and that he specifically said "and then i'll report back!" is specific phrasing i've only seen him use as town. could he imitate it, and could i be wrong again, sure. this is a lean. as in a WEAK read

any more questions as to why reads that i say are weak or leans are "weak"? cause this is a stupid push


Dunno when I have called your reads weak or actually pushed you? You could try reading yourself. I just said that your reads were near impossible to understand and that you might be scum for that and your convenient read progression on me (basically adapting to thread sentiment all too well).

You wouldn't be my preferred lynch today by far though.

I guess you might have your own way of reading LS, but it hardly warrants calling my read on him trash. It's mostly gut feeling, I admit, it's just that I've rarely gotten such a spider sense of someone being scum just from their all too vague / fluffy posting style.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 18:03 GMT
#1203
On May 13 2015 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:
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On May 13 2015 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
I think I'm the first one to vote for Onegu. Besides BM I guess....

That's what you get for being AFK until near deadline. It's not very likely that your scumreads will be completely original at that point, but nothing you can do about that. I've just been AFK, that's all.

I haven't even called Oats scum btw. I was just wondering whatever happened between those posts. He did post that post you mentioned a lot later but sandroba was already playing a lot different from his scum meta earlier. Why was he scum then? And not anymore?

Why is Onegu more scum than Vivax or better - why could Vivax be town? Because that's who we are lynching.


Honestly I don't see any reason for Vivax to be town. I just see even less reason for Onegu to be town. Complete apathy shines through his filter and the Traitor breadcrumb tops it all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 18:07 GMT
#1207
On May 13 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 02:54 Xatalos wrote:
On May 13 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote:
62/76

fine. i'll play ball, but only because i think there might be some random townie out there similarly incapable of reading

my read progression on you isn't strong because my read on you isn't strong. i was sheeping damdred as a townread who has demonstrated in the past that he is much better at reading you than i am. my filter makes that clear a million times over, which is why i know you're not reading ^^ oh, that and you've shown an amazing ability to not read entire posts of people who are in the thread talking with you at the time

you may think it's cute to sheep ksc's awful read, but i don't. he sits here and changes his mind based on little then thinks it's scummy for others to? a "180" on someone you don't have a strong lean on in the first place is not a "180" and if either of you genuinely believe that you're imbeciles ^^

as for ls...

On May 12 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:
12/60

On May 12 2015 02:47 Vivax wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:17 marvellosity wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv

honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.

btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.


On May 12 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax really is an excellent lynch. Xata pretty ok lynch too though.



Really simple question dudes. What happened to BM here?


ummm he's lynching bm? what's your point?

@xata

don't take this to the bank cause bad track record but i actually think ls could be town this game for the silly little smurf sidebar lol >< also for some of the phrasing used when he did it

kinda more interested why this is the only thing you want to talk about, though. let me make it easy. not lynching ls right now. give me someone else you want to lynch


let me make this really, really simple for you. i have a tendency to read ls town. i'm aware of it. but him going out of his way to collect meta on anyone is usually a sign that he's town, and that he specifically said "and then i'll report back!" is specific phrasing i've only seen him use as town. could he imitate it, and could i be wrong again, sure. this is a lean. as in a WEAK read

any more questions as to why reads that i say are weak or leans are "weak"? cause this is a stupid push


Dunno when I have called your reads weak or actually pushed you? You could try reading yourself. I just said that your reads were near impossible to understand and that you might be scum for that and your convenient read progression on me (basically adapting to thread sentiment all too well).

You wouldn't be my preferred lynch today by far though.

I guess you might have your own way of reading LS, but it hardly warrants calling my read on him trash. It's mostly gut feeling, I admit, it's just that I've rarely gotten such a spider sense of someone being scum just from their all too vague / fluffy posting style.


63/76

this is literally the last post i'm wasting on this discussion. literally. the last.

no you did not specifically use the phrasing "weak". you implied it. you implied my read progression doesn't make sense and called me scum for it. that is pushing me. perhaps we define it differently, but you are pushing suspicion in my general direction, a suspicion i might add that is practically word-for-word the same as ksc's...one of the patterns damdred was talking about about you iirc

nor did i call your read on him "trash". i didn't like that it was THE ONLY thing you were pulling from the thread. ls could be scum. statistically and based on my light read he's more likely town, and he is an ALL TOO EASY mislynch, so you focusing on him and ONLY him is not a good sign for you, xata

of course i'm not your "preferred" lynch today. i'm never getting lynched today, and certainly not for this nonsense. congratulations, though ^^ i'm almost at the point where i feel comfortable voting you based purely on my own read, mr. parrot. i'll readdress when i'm not as irritated -_-


Good riddance then. Btw if you think LS was the only thing I had a read on (or even a strong read on) earlier you're quite mistaken.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 18:15 GMT
#1209
What's aperture Obi?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 18:22 GMT
#1211
lol

And is he otherwise similar?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 18:34 GMT
#1216
Hm.... I don't see a huge difference between his Aperture game and this game. Then again I don't see a huge difference between his Ippo game and this game either (he was town but I thought he was pretty scummy in that game). Is there something that sets his town/scumgame apart?

Btw hahahaha I feel like I'd be a bad person for lynching him now

On May 01 2015 16:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hope Xat doesn't die.

I do enjoy having him around.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:33 GMT
#1217
jat I don't think you've really expressed your opinion on Onegu?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:34 GMT
#1218
I can see why you'd want to lynch Vivax instead but I'd still like to see your read.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:43 GMT
#1222
....Are you really deciding your reads before even reading? And those reads are mostly pretty terrible.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:44 GMT
#1223
Screw it let's just lynch Vivax today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:45 GMT
#1224
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:01 GMT
#1229
You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:28 GMT
#1238
On May 13 2015 05:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 04:33 Xatalos wrote:
jat I don't think you've really expressed your opinion on Onegu?

I have no reason to townread him if that's what you want to know.
I would lie if I said that I did not think about his stuff n0 being a traitor claim but it wouldn't be the first time for Onegu to just complain about not rolling scum as town.
His rsoultin read is awful and he doesn't seem to be willing to reconsider. Does that make him scum? Probably not.
I wouldn't mind him dying but I would not lynch a question mark like him over someone who is really obviously scummy like Vivax.


Maybe, but he also included the Traitor bit and afterwards tried to "clear" himself by saying he couldn't be Traitor if he didn't know about the rules. Felt like being weirdly defensive about the issue.

What about the other points I made and his overall apathy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:30 GMT
#1240
On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel?
He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum.

It's just a policy lynch.


In my experience he just sucks as scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:32 GMT
#1243
On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn

I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"

There are also too many outlier votes right now.

I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town

##unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand


I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this


You hurt my feelings, marv.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:38 GMT
#1246
On May 13 2015 05:34 TalkingDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:32 Xatalos wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn

I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"

There are also too many outlier votes right now.

I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town

##unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand


I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this


You hurt my feelings, marv.

Were you hoping to be Marv's lynch of choice?


More about the fact that he didn't like me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:16 GMT
#1291
Honestly I think while BH doesn't look good, we should probably just lynch Vivax today. At least BH has *something* going for him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:47 GMT
#1305
HtS, your case on me is already pretty old. You haven't commented on me really since then. What gives?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:17 GMT
#1326
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:19 GMT
#1327
*ruin my day
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:25 GMT
#1337
On May 13 2015 07:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 07:17 Xatalos wrote:
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.


oh BH is in your list now =). as long as it isn't you I guess that's all that matters

i'm not misrepresenting you at all, I was in the thread at those times and the thread sentiment was against those people and you pop up to try and bury them.


You never responded to my response about Oats and went ahead with that part in your case anyway....

And I already explained earlier that I agreed with marv on BH....

But I guess you're just not reading.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:33 GMT
#1345
On May 13 2015 07:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 07:25 Xatalos wrote:
On May 13 2015 07:23 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 13 2015 07:17 Xatalos wrote:
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.


oh BH is in your list now =). as long as it isn't you I guess that's all that matters

i'm not misrepresenting you at all, I was in the thread at those times and the thread sentiment was against those people and you pop up to try and bury them.


You never responded to my response about Oats and went ahead with that part in your case anyway....

And I already explained earlier that I agreed with marv on BH....

But I guess you're just not reading.


probably because your response was shit.

you said you didn't understand where oats change of reads, words to the effect of "where the hell did this town read come from" came from even though he outlined it in his post. you just tried t bury him

you also said that BH had something going for him but you are putting him on the lynch list now instead of oats or LS your other scum reads.


1) I just thought it was weird how his read changed abruptly from scum to town despite Sandroba posting pretty similarly from the start. First he was scum for it, then just town - because why? Nothing really changed. He posted far differently from his scum meta since the start. Did you even think that through?

2) Oats and LS could be lynchable, but not so much as those three. They're more like vague gut reads rather than having something concrete against them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:47 GMT
#1355
On May 13 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote:
I kinda am on the fence, xata is still a parrot from glancing at his filter to me a least.

He picks up reads as they be one popular and just that's it... I don't see any real push in his filter just along for the ride.

Think,I'd rather him,be lynched


Seriously... I pretty much had to AFK most of the game until now and when I started playing, of course I wasn't magically going to find a ton of completely new findings. On Vivax there really wasn't anything more to be said. In fact I think I did point out new things about Onegu, Oats and rsoultin at least. Can't be completely sure if I accidentally repeated something but it is what it is.

Now I'm seriously tired and not sure if I can stay up until deadline. My postcount seems to be close to its limits too.

Do what you want I guess, but I'd rather not get mislynched for the first time in like a year or something. That time it was also a case of being far too busy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 23:24 GMT
#1404
On May 13 2015 08:17 Damdred wrote:
Here's the question, do we give xata more,time to prove he's town if he is?

I think,if he's highly busy as he claimed sooner or later we can,catch him big,him or cop,check him if we want.

He's scummy at this point but his,final,post seemed kinda genuine to a degree to me.

We then have BH who is kinda meh and vivax who the wagon evaporated like td and GB have said. It is concerning I'm sorta tempted to give xata a little more time and lynch vivax or bh today.


I'll be mostly free during Thursday-Sunday (tomorrow still a bit of stuff to go through). It'd really be pretty annoying to get lynched like this after being AFK for the majority of the day and mostly for reasons that happened when I very quickly read the thread earlier on.

I'm already way past the time I was supposed to go to sleep today.... Can hardly stay awake. What's the vote situation like now... I'd be perfectly fine with lynching Vivax instead of BH....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 23:37 GMT
#1430
I just can't go to sleep it seems -.- Thinking too much about the deadline.

I'd rather lynch Vivax atm I think. BH's recent posts looked better compared.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 18:58 GMT
#1615
I think I'm about at the post limit so not gonna post much tonight. I guess I should focus more on bigger posts and reading with these restrictions instead of posting whatever I like usual.

Thanks for not lynching me yesterday. It was too bad that I had to wake up so early this morning, but life is life. In the next days I should have plenty more time and also capability to stay awake for deadlines.

I actually kind of liked BH's recent posts, especially the one where he talked about rsoultin's read changes. It matched well with my own thoughts... So I'm considering just waiting and seeing more from him for now.

Right now I'd most want to lynch LS. His attitude is just completely non-town any way I look at it. I may have to reconsider Onegu for a moment after looking at this exchange between LS and Onegu:

On May 14 2015 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:
On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...

A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.

Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...

This isnt a LS town game.

@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point.

I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................



Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum.


Why look if I think I found scum?


... It felt like Onegu was reading my mind there for a moment.

I'm also seriously considering that HtS might be scum. Just look at her overall posting style. It's way too clean and what's worse, "static". One example: I was her go-to lynch for a long time, even after I had started seriously posting for a while, but her read didn't take my many more recent posts into account at all. It didn't evolve. She just kept repeating her old case (2-3 times I think) and didn't interact with me. Ultimately, much later, her answer was something like "I don't see any change in you" when I had definitely started playing way more actively and focused (with some free time I had gained finally). At that point even Damdred and marv had somewhat changed their minds. And as for HtS... nothing? It feels like she just decided a read beforehand and sticked with it for the day.

rsoultin: I don't think flavor makes someone town. I'm sure the scumteam would be provided with fakeclaims or the game could easily be broken.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 12:44 GMT
#1826
Well I don't think that was the most terrible shot... Even if I was having doubts about BH being scum. At least he still had a fair chance of being scum and we now know that the lynch yesterday was between 2 town in the end.

KSC: I think that case is a bit WIFOMy, especially that part about BH getting shot. What do you mean with "generally obstructive" and how does that make him scum? How does wanting BH to be a lynch candidate instead of being shot contradict the possibility that he might be town? The way I see it, he just meant that having a wagon on him would be informative no matter his alignment.

I'm still thinking we should probably lynch LS today and wait a bit more on Onegu. I've agreed heavily with his posts about LS so that's the main reason.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 12:48 GMT
#1827
HtS thinking about my voting behaviour is a point against her reads being static though. Probably shouldn't lynch her for the time being.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 13:43 GMT
#1830
Hmmm... Maybe. But he could have just as well wanted to see how people interacted with a BH wagon or something? It's usually better to lynch someone active/controversial rather than a lurker who nobody disagrees with killing.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 14:26 GMT
#1862
LOL what...

On May 14 2015 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:
You know fuck it I was hiding my role but I am the Martyr I was protecting GlowingBear incase he was targeted by KP because I thought he would get shot was thinking of protect him or Sandroba but I felt like GlowingBear was the better shot for scum since he can push hard for lynches from my experience playing with him. Also I wasn't here at End of Day 1 at deadline I even admitted it here:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and for some reason Vivax ended up getting lynched over Xata or BH............ Well it seems like shenanigans happened when I was gone and HTS hammered Vivax. Also to answer Yamato there was a better case by KSC and others on Xata over BH at least in my mind but next Day Phase I can go for either a Xata or a BH lynch. Also thanks for your response and hopefully you can talk more later if someone gives you more posts.

I didn't expect Vivax to get lynched my vote was on someone who I thought a wagon would happen on (Xata).


What's a Martyr even? And why did you claim now?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 14:30 GMT
#1865
That's not why I've thought of you as scum at all though :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 16 2015 19:54 GMT
#2460
GG Looking forward to the town-centric analysis even though this was one of my worse games.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 16 2015 19:54 GMT
#2461
Should be... interesting to read at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 16 2015 20:11 GMT
#2466
On May 17 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote:
One day I'll explain what it was that caught,my attention xata


There were quite a few things "off" from my townplay especially in this game
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 17 2015 01:15 GMT
#2514
I don't think it was a policy shot to kill me. I played much to my scum meta from the start and when we immediately lost BM and Palmar, I just had more and more difficulty finding the motivation to post anything sensible. If I was town, I'd have been happily posting in the thread at that point. So it was definitely a good idea to kill me
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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