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On May 11 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote: hts, talk to me about who you want to lynch right now, mamacita <3
If I had to make a decision right now, just based on what I have looked at, I'd say GB and LS second. (Particularly with GB's latest post.)
I am querying a few others based on things I find don't add up (e.g. Marv) and still getting through Sandro's/Rayn's posts atm.
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Ras, I was "so sure" based on the way you phrased the question "...lynch right now".
I would have to agree on Sandro so far with a townlean on him. I'm not sure how Oats comes to the conclusion that he's asking questions for the sake of asking questions - he's challenging scumreads (Damdred/BH from what I can tell) with his questions, which looks pretty town.
I know Oats tends to make terse statements, yet I can't tell by what he's saying if he's just not reading the thread or not thinking through why he's asking them before asserting that Sandro is fake. Either of which reflect a scum behaviour on him.
After 2am here so I'm off for the night.
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Catching up. GG work.
General thoughts (pages 19-21)
I don't see a problem with TD's list post - especially if TD is Rayn, and Rayn always makes his list posts as town, that's just how he works. The quantity of his reads is also not a problem (this is directed at VE)- even the people that some don't consider notable, he's clearly stated it's a tone read and tone reads are something that are re-checked later in the day when these people produce more content.
I still don't agree with TD's read of Yamato (it appears to be based on meta, though being a tone read granted it's weak) because Yamato has a scum meta where he doesn't play, and I've yet to see him quantify his reads. I'm not sure if this is his normal town play, or a cover for trying to do as little as possible. The JAT read early on seemed too easy as others called that out too.
Also didn't like how Yamato called Trfel inactive in response to the nuke action (will discuss that in the next post) and in the same sentence where he says "it's too early to make those kinds of reads", it's contradictory in the sense that he can scumread someone (JAT) for being inactive but then see (what appears to be the equivalent of a vig shot/DT check) to not care that someone inactive is getting shot without checking his filter first, esp against JATs. If Yamato is town, maybe it's lazy town play.
Those who know Trfel know he afks a lot and he's a wall-of-text low postcount player. Especially when comparing that with JAT (who he had a red) who was hardly posting anything.
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The Nuke - I agree with a number of people here - the nuke is definitely a scumlike behaviour, or rather the way in which it was used. Never mind whom BM used it on, the fact he listed three people without checking how we were discussing BM (I had him as null pre-game for not posting anything or achieving anything with his first few posts) shows he's clearly not reading the thread at best. Nuking Trfel for comparative inactivity versus justifying why he wasn't doing the same to others that could potentially fall into the same category is also problematic. The nuke is likely not town oriented. BM is a good lynch, I'd say.
BM if town, also should have challenged those who were scumreading him, and TD's put out more than enough to be debated on.
The counter-nuke (BH) could be town or mafia motivated. He could defend Trfel knowing he's town (if he's scum) for credit. Or he could be town sensing that BM made a bad/mafia play. The tone read on Trfel is weak (quoted) and considering I didn't see a previous read on Trfel it's hard to say where the motivation came from. I feel I'd need more/different criteria to evaluate BH's play. (Null on this one).
On May 11 2015 16:35 Blazinghand wrote:##anti-nuke (the way that makes it so the nuke doesn't hit trfel, not the way that makes it stop trfels' nuke plx)
On May 11 2015 16:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah you seemed pretty mad at getting nuked so i stopped it. i figure that anger was real. welcome back to life trfel
now I sleep
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On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote: Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around ##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
Can you explain why you picked Trfel (aside from him scumming you) to nuke when what you have said could have applied to JAT/Marv/others who are normally active and semi-lurking?
Trfel posted he was busy, it's final exam period in the US, who knows why he's semi-lurky. My argument is that it's premature to call for his lynch or take that action. I can at least contest you weren't reading the thread.
Now I'm not saying JAT or Marv should be nuked at all. But by the standards you have set what you have applied could apply to other players in this game.
Your nukes (even the one on Marv) are coming off as pretty OMGUS at best.
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On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.
In conclusion we lynch BH.
How are you eliminating the possibility that BH anti-nuked BM based on his tone read of Trfel or a possible scumread (though unstated) on BM because of his action?
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JAT, where do you stand with reads? From reading your filter, you are scumreading ROL.
Who else?
(Also can those familiar with ROL fill me in on what to look for if he's scum? He is the only person I've never played with or hosted on the playerlist. Cheers.)
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Looking at Onegu's post, it seems to come from a town Onegu, particularly with the criticism on Rasputin. Although there is one contradictory sentence I don't like, but I think this could be Onegu missing something by accident.
Rasputin had a good start to be quite fair. Although after being tricked by her in two games, I think I have a better sense of what to look for now if she did RNG scum. Going to see if those red flags pop up again.
Regarding Marv's read on Onegu, it's bold, it might be inaccurate but it doesn't make him mafia. If marv IS scum, it's not for this.
On May 12 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote: Ok so here is why Trfel is town. The way he tried to nuke back immediatly looks townie. Like I have a feeling that scum would already know there are nukes in the game, and the way he did it makes him really townie to me.
Lol @ Marv. Such a shit read on me, I want to roll scum and the fact that I used 3 !, just confirms the fact that I wanted to be scum or able to be scum.
People saying BH should be lynched for TMI is also terrible, If I had a anti nuke I would have stopped it also. Also marv saying it is bad to stop it right away is odd. Like what info are you expecting to get? I feel like this is more blue hunting, maybe finding out who has more anti nukes.
<3 GB for the defense but it was such a shit read you get no points from me for now.
Why is Rsoul getting town read so hard so fast. I know she can look really townie but Im not seeing it. She seems almost lazy to me. Her reads arent that intense either. I know she never has confidence in her reads but still they are normally stronger. Seems soft to me. If she rolled scum and I didnt Im going to be upset. Since this isnt a PM game here is my mandatory non town read on her <3.
I really want to see if BM's second nuke goes off. I think I would find it weird if he can fire 2 nukes in one day.
LS seems less active than I am used to also. Maybe its just a post restriction game.
Yamato could be mafia, see what he does today since he doesnt work. Would be funny if hapa troll rolled him scum.
Could totally sheep Palmar, He is playing and he catches dem scum.
Still have a few filters to read but these are my thoughts off the top of my head.
I agree on LS, but I don't like how he keeps bringing up this game is a post-restricted game. If he's that conscious, do as Damdred and I are doing and count your own damned posts. Although his good-morning post appears towny in of itself, so I think for a better read on LS, maybe see where he's going with his reads. Activity is the most obvious scumtell for LS in most games, but the downside is that he can try and mask that in a post-restricted game.
My only issue is your point on Palmar. You want to sheep Palmar but you have criticism of BH being lynched for TMI.
If you missed that on Palmar
On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.
In conclusion we lynch BH.
Would you still sheep him?
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On May 12 2015 01:10 Damdred wrote: Good morning people, damdred is back on the case.
Many things have happened and yet not a ton at the same time, I feel a lot better about Marv and somewhat better about palmar.
Sand in not sure exactly why you say that about my game and the desparity between this game and others I really don't believe it lol.
I think id rather not lynch bm today, a nuke this early by scum doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
I think we should lynch xatalos!
(9)
Regarding BM, the main problem I'm having is why he picked Trfel over some of the other potential lurkers or even Palmar by his own standards. To be that sure on one person without asking questions...
He also said he was working on a big post during pre-game....looked at his filter and he's provided some reads but I presumed that "big post" was on what he had thought on pre-game and his refusal to post could have just been a way of trying to skate by pre-game by not doing anything. I don't know his town meta so I'm disregarding it.
Xatalos is in the same boat as Rasputin - decent start but not posted in some hours. I know from Carol (which was his last game anyways) a scumtell for him is loose read, but activity seemed alright and on par in Carol - but does he just go straight up inactive as scum?
Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him?
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EBWOP - At Damdred - BM's pre-game play would be another reason IMO to scumread him.
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On May 12 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: Vivax really is an excellent lynch. Xata pretty ok lynch too though.
I'm putting my vote on Vivax. (It's not policy folks, since his scum meta is known as doing jack all.)
Pressuring Xatalos (again fill me in if he has a history of AFKing as scum) or even Rasputin in due time is not out of the question.
BM I'd prefer he answer the last question on differentiating between the other inactives, even Palmar whom he almost nuked (apparently).
Off for some dinner. I'll be back.
##vote Vivax
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On May 12 2015 01:50 Bill Murray wrote: Half the Sky you say I listed you at random when you clearly posted this earlier: So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy.
I know I had you at null BM.
In reference to the quote you posted, I wasn't scumreading you for that. I was scumreading Yamato for that.
On May 11 2015 02:38 Half the Sky wrote: 4/10
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Things that jumped out at me:
Yamato's list post - Bats/BH/Bill Murray all fall into the category (null so far) of having posted much about nothing, nothing in terms of figuring out people's alignment.
So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy.
At no point did I scumread you pre-game.
Clearly you need to read more carefully or read to begin with :/
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15/60
Pfff, you ninjaed me BM.
On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote: I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up
Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum?
Second part of this post aimed at Damdred -
On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10)
I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)?
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I'm back.
Closing in on the first half of D1 we're at a point where Trfel (normally the town leader) should be providing some thing in the ways of his analysis, at least for what I'm familiar with. He's been active with advocating BM's lynch so you'd think...
Trfel, if BM were removed from the game, whom would you lynch today?
The same thing I'd say applies to JAT. Your last response to me was tentative, and I know you (and many others) want to policy BM, and want Vivax gone, but even with this amount of content surely you can name at least one additional scumread by now.
My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076
It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment.
Looking at TD's subsequent posts, I'm pretty sure he's town, but I'll look into his filter to make sure I'm not missing anything.
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Rasputin, since you asked me on Onegu:
On May 12 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote: Why is Rsoul getting town read so hard so fast. I know she can look really townie but Im not seeing it. She seems almost lazy to me. Her reads arent that intense either. I know she never has confidence in her reads but still they are normally stronger. Seems soft to me. If she rolled scum and I didnt Im going to be upset. Since this isnt a PM game here is my mandatory non town read on her <3.
If I had to look at his read on you alone...overexplained.....I don't know if I could consider it "overexplained" tbh. If Onegu is scum, I don't think this read makes him scum. Part of this is a fear read on you (Student 7, where he replaced out) where he nailed you on your hesistancy when someone scumreads you, so when I read this again, my impression is that he tried to connect that with how he interpreted your reads (not so intense).
I think this is earnest town Onegu here. It doesn't sound like he's taking your play out of context but I can see where he's getting the connection. I don't agree with the read given your subsequent posts though I am curious to see if he changes his stance on you. I might have a problem if he still says you're too soft.
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On May 12 2015 05:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote:16/60 I'm back. Closing in on the first half of D1 we're at a point where Trfel (normally the town leader) should be providing some thing in the ways of his analysis, at least for what I'm familiar with. He's been active with advocating BM's lynch so you'd think... Trfel, if BM were removed from the game, whom would you lynch today? The same thing I'd say applies to JAT. Your last response to me was tentative, and I know you (and many others) want to policy BM, and want Vivax gone, but even with this amount of content surely you can name at least one additional scumread by now. My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment. Looking at TD's subsequent posts, I'm pretty sure he's town, but I'll look into his filter to make sure I'm not missing anything. I dont even know why it's obvious she would be doing this, and even then your argument is that I'm scum cause you disagree and cause you don't consider my points to be a way of determining her alignment, so you should expand on this more.
Operative words are in bold - you aren't reading the thread. And if you aren't reading the thread, especially given the quality of your posts as of late, you certainly aren't trying to solve the game. Both Kelsier and Onegu (and I think one more? but at least those two) pushed her on that issue, Oatsmaster commented on her posts being difficult to read (I have no idea why, but I digress). It was an issue ~20h ago, it's a bit shocking you've missed that. You're focusing on her in your post and even worse if she was in the thread at the same time you were, you're not even interacting with her. All scumlike behaviour.
I really do feel you are trying to compensate for being called on your scum meta and admitting you are playing suboptimally as town to help your own scum meta? I don't buy that.
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EBWOP - at Vivax, also saying "fuck you bh" after he anti-nuked BM isn't helping your credibility atm.
JAT - what is your current DNL list?
Vivax - If you're not scum, then tell me who is.
Also regarding the recent BH nuke, I think it's a towny action, though I'm with Rasputin - explain what you thought of Trfel as you were saving him, or if you really saved him off a tone read?
Or even better, looking at him now, do you regret saving him?
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Have just read Student 7 again....I assume this is what you refer to.
On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote: Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also.
On April 12 2015 06:01 Onegu wrote: Also rsoultin scum will tell you why in a case later, but basicly it has to do with her just looking like a busy body with 4/5 of her posts being questions. And a lot of her reads are based off of meta as the main part when she knows it's a terrible way to play.
I know in Hammertime (he was mafia vanilla) he was all over the place but launched a hard defence of GB when I was tunnelling on him, only suspected him when VE was killed in lylo (and VE sucessfully scumread him that game).
Glanced at Hammer again. He also had the "don't give a fuck' attitude and one liners that I see in his town games but if he was pushing an ML on someone in that game he posted walls of text and I was getting that super serious tone.
But in Student 7 as town...I see more of the don't give a fuck attitude, but I'm also seeing it in his scum game (Hammertime).
On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:15/60 okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_- - the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol) - secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP - third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum
Point 1 - the one liners I could go either way based on Hammertime. I've seen it in one of his town and his scum games. The walls of text are a point against Onegu based on Hammertime.
Point 2 - You're contesting the word "obligatory" is probably forced. I don't like the use of the word but I'm not sure the use of obligatory makes him scum.
Point 3 - Your knowledge of him was a point against you, and although he's not making that a central part of his read on you now, he has listed a few others in the quotes - the non alignment indicative (which he's probably taking as a soft push I don't know) and his mentioning of your hesitancy (like the lol phrases, he mentioned this in the obs qt) when you are scumread as scum. There is some parallel he's trying to make there but I don't think it's enough for a hard push.
TBF, Onegu does look worse when I meta him...but since you reappeared, I am interested in his thoughts based on what criteria he HAS used as town, take the parallels to this game, and I think that might clear things up a bit.
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At Rasputin - usage of emoticons on his end is probably not the best way to go about it either, he didn't use them either in Hammertime.
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Xatalos is looking like playing to his scum meta. In Carol both (town) GB and Vivax cased him and a central point they had on a scum Xatalos was how murky his reads were in justifying his switches. GlowingBear in particular stated that Xatalos didn't have deep reads on people.
I get the same impression here from the reads he's made so far.
On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote: I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out.
Also whilst LS didn't really impress me early on, I also don't think Xatalos had an original stance on LS and the quote he uses to substantiate his read on LS is also pretty shaky. At least a few people mentioned the conditional wording that LS had in his opening posts.
On May 12 2015 02:46 Xatalos wrote:Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away. What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these: Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads? @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game.
LS generally isn't one to be articulate but at least in this particular paragraph he does reach some conclusions on two people from knowing "LS speak" for lack of better words. But he's also made conclusions on people in other posts.
So at least looking through Xata's filter, I've got a decent scumlean on him.
Need to AFK atm.
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