Assassination Mafia! - Page 4

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 18:07 GMT

#1206

On May 13 2015 03:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This rso/xat fight is remarkably unproductive and uninteresting.

I'm voting Vivax unless a better lynch presents itself.

"An awe-inspiring read."
Please don't be aperture Obi.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 18:19 GMT

#1210

On May 13 2015 03:15 Xatalos wrote:
What's aperture Obi?

He made exactly the same post when he was scum in aperture 4. Minus the Vivax part.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 18:24 GMT

#1213

On May 13 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:
lol

And is he otherwise similar?

Why don't you check for yourself? I would say yes but to me scum Obi and town Obi apparently look the same recently. At least he is voting for the correct target.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 18:27 GMT

#1214

Actually I take that back. Skimming aperture he was way more joke-y and less serious than he is here.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 20:05 GMT

#1230

On May 13 2015 04:33 Xatalos wrote:
jat I don't think you've really expressed your opinion on Onegu?

I have no reason to townread him if that's what you want to know.
I would lie if I said that I did not think about his stuff n0 being a traitor claim but it wouldn't be the first time for Onegu to just complain about not rolling scum as town.
His rsoultin read is awful and he doesn't seem to be willing to reconsider. Does that make him scum? Probably not.
I wouldn't mind him dying but I would not lynch a question mark like him over someone who is really obviously scummy like Vivax.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 20:10 GMT

#1231

On May 13 2015 04:58 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray (despite probably being town) should not have been pardoned. It's likely that Bill Murray would not have been lynched. Furthermore, the Bill Murray wagon was giving a lot of information. Bill Murray also should not have been shot, it is easily possible to convince enough people that Bill Murray is town to not have the entire thread filled with it.

But GlowingBear and Damdred are most likely town anyway, their actions had no solid mafia motivation.

I think that I want to lynch Onegu today.

##vote Onegu

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He says this when it benefits himself. He only made one post which I consider "more serious" than his normal play. And he hasn't been following through with this since.

But it's his continual usage of hearts to annoy rsoultin that pushes it over the top. That's just not a towny thing to do. And he hasn't been keeping up with the greater seriousness that he mentioned earlier.

His constant frustration at rsoultin is perfectly in line with how he would feel if he loves playing scum and finally rolls scum, but then has rsoultin scumreading him from the very start of the game.

It's not great, but I don't really see most of the other wagons. Though I could definitely see myself lynching sandroba.

I have no idea how anyone can "not see a Vivax wagon" but see a sandroba wagon instead. It is a total mystery.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 20:22 GMT

#1234

On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:

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He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum.

It's just a policy lynch.

Show me one game where Vivax played well as scum recently. Only one.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 20:31 GMT

#1242

On May 13 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote:

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Game of Thrones Mini Mafia. His play there is much better than his play here.

What makes Vivax mafia and not lazy, obnoxious town?

8 pages of filter in 4 cycles? That is NOTHING for town Vivax.
Town Vivax can be obnoxious. In fact he almost always is. But his obnoxiousness comes from being all over the place, calling everyone scum, tinfoil hat theories etc.
If you want to know how town Vivax plays -> Void mafia, Imperial mafia. Gigantic illogical pain in the ass but always trying to solve the game and to push his thoughts. Always really active. Nothing like this game.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 21:03 GMT

#1271

On May 13 2015 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:
waho whoa whoa whoa don't lump me in with vivax, i'm useless yess, but i used my power for good instead of evil, surely that earns me not getting lynched until D2 hue

That's really the only thing going for you. Would lynch immediately otherwise.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 21:12 GMT

#1289

On May 13 2015 06:07 Vivax wrote:
Many are like "low activity, disjointed posts" and shit and that's gonna be a lesson that meta sucks when people want it to suck.

Btw marv why unvote me?

Well, gj playing against your wincon then if this is true. Fortunately it probably isn't.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 21:41 GMT

#1302

On May 13 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
As for JAT you will notice he commented on marv's list as being ok but apparently the only viable lynch on it is me, as reinforced by his later play. There is no real interest in Oats and Xata even though he seemed to agree with the entire post, here:

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On May 12 2015 22:16 justanothertownie wrote:

On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.

Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:

Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat onac

Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.

Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.

I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?

This list seems ok. Vivax has vanished again - would absolutely lynch.

On May 12 2015 19:10 TalkingDead wrote:

On May 12 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote:

On May 12 2015 19:00 TalkingDead wrote:
Yes. Can we add RebirthofLegend to said list?

We can, ish, but I think that verges a little more into policy, maybe.

Is it really a policy lynch to kill people who have 8 posts about nothing interesting that offer nothing of note and more than likely will continue said trend? Because I call that modus operandi.

He's a far worse offender than Palmer. At least Yamato has some interesting posts.

I think RoL would be a better vig target. No way to discern his alignment based on what he posted.

On May 12 2015 20:52 GlowingBear wrote:

On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:

On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.

Can you give more inputs about this?
Let's lynch BH?
Would you lynch Oats?
What did you make of my answer?

dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.

Ok lets lynch Xata then.

100% scum.
Im not even kidding

I'm not lynching Xata.

Let's lynch BH?

We are not lynching BH. What reason is there for you to not lynch xatalos? I won't even start to comment on that pardon.

On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote:
I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.

We are also not lynching bats. Stutters I could see maybe although also better vig target. VE I would be hesitant about.

Seems a bit of a too generic agreement given I seem to be his only strong scumread.

And how did you determine that I am not scumreading the other 2? The answer is you didn't. You could have asked me for example. But instead you are trying to throw shit around for the dumbest reasons.
Yeah, I agreed with the list because I agreed with all targets. That does not change the fact that we have only one lynch and that you are by far the best one. This is about as good as your "case" against HTS. You just ignore the overall play of your scumreads and instead search for something irrelevant to nitpick.
Why do we need to interact with you to figure out your alignment when your biggest scumtell is that you aren't doing anything on your own? We don't.

I think I am pretty much out of posts btw.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 22:05 GMT

#1318

On May 13 2015 06:57 sandroba wrote:
Fuck it, I think my first intuition was right. I'm not voting vivax, I think he is town. A switch to BH would be the best I think, I'm not particularly sold on xatalos being mafia either.

Vivax still has 2 hours - l et's see what he comes up with. So far I am not impressed. Marvs argument against BH was good too. Xatalos isn't the worst lynch either.

I would be really thankful if someone donated me posts btw. - I don't mind going over the limit slightly but otherwise voting is pretty much everything I can do for now.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 22:23 GMT

#1332

On May 13 2015 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Jat's still a great lynch, so is Sandro. I actually stand by my emoticon-read of rsoultin, btw

Great. Your scumreads are probably all town.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 22:34 GMT

#1347

On May 13 2015 07:28 Blazinghand wrote:

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I think only one or two people on it are unnatural. Certain players (like Yamato) are fairly skilled and should be able to realize I'm always a bad D1 lynch. Those guys are suspicious. Newer or worse players like JAT, OWS, and Rsoultin are not suspicous for their votes on me (alone; obviously can be suspicious for other reasons) because these guys aren't good enough to actually townread me. Like, legitimately as town I get like 4 or 5 scumreading me for shit reasons every game, and they're always pretty bad players like JAT and Rsoultin who lack the pattern recognition skills or basic learning ability to figure out how I play. Legitimately Rsoultin could scumread me for zero reason and vote me and I would not find it suspicious because there is no play Rsoultin can make that is "suspciously bad"

But yeah good point on Yam

I'm vaguely suspicious of you GB becasue I seem to remember you wanted to lynch me, and now that it's actually happening, here are you are defending me, maybe to get towncred when I flip?

^
Insulting the ability of other players instead of bringing actual arguments is what BH does as scum. He did it in YOSO, in a cell game and also in Aperture.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 23:20 GMT

#1398

On May 13 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:

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Vivax has the same amount of votes Xatalos has after I voted him.
Vote Vivax to save yourself and lynch scum

Yamato is only berating me, he says BH isn't scum for bad usage of his role but votes BH because of the usage of his role LOL YOU'RE HILARIOUS YAMATO

I don't think anyone is voting BH for the usage of his role. It is rather the fact that he did nothing else. His nonsensical sandro vote also didn't help.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 23:24 GMT

#1403

Vivax kinda going back to doing nothing as soon as his wagon disappeared doesn't sit well with me though.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 23:36 GMT

#1425

On May 13 2015 08:32 Blazinghand wrote:

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On May 13 2015 08:29 TalkingDead wrote:

On May 13 2015 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:

On May 13 2015 08:26 TalkingDead wrote:

On May 13 2015 08:17 Vivax wrote:

On May 13 2015 08:08 TalkingDead wrote:

On May 13 2015 07:54 Trfel wrote:
I don't see what is so impressive about Vivax's posting as of late. His posts don't feel like they have any direction or focus, and he isn't elaborating on his main scumreads. He's pushing reads all over the place, but nothing is very well explained or detailed. Furthermore, Vivax is going to be away for a while, so there will be no more information with which to read him.

This is a good point. Leading up to the lynch, thread sentiment is steered roughly equally between Xatalos and Vivax. When Marv starts his push towards BH, votes still split roughly equally between Vivax and Xatalos. Despite Marv and Sandroba giving a less weight and push towards either Vivax or Xatalos and thinking they both may be a bit more likely to be town. Votes from the Vivax wagons disappear disproportionately faster. This can in part be attributed to Vivax being around and posting, but there were numerous people other than just Marv/Sandroba saying essentially that Vivax is posting better. Yet when you compare this situation to an exceptionally similar situation in Imperial, where Vivax went off the fucking deep end and was making series of huge posts repetitively. The wagon just disappeared in a strange way without any realisitic recognition of his posting. That's interesting.

Then go and find the people who went off me in a scummy way, cause as I see it there's nothing inherently scummy in not wanting to lynch me.

There's not time for that and it doesn't matter this late in the day. It is in no way about trying to find "the scum that unvoted their partners." It doesn't make you scum and it doesn't make Xatalos town. It's the asymmetrical shift that's interesting, both in the sense that people are more willing to move off you and that people are less willing to move off of him. What is interesting about your response is that you've ignored my point about Imperial entirely to pick at the corners of the point I'm trying to make.

I think we all kinda know what's going on here. A lot of people moved off of Vivax as soon as there was a lynchbaity wagon (my wagon) to move onto. Wagons that fall apart easily like this in non-PM games tend to be wagons on scum. I think Vivax would be an acceptable D1 lynch, but I actually haven't read his filter or his case. I'm basing this entirely on the fact that Vivax is a really good town player with heroic tier reads and pushing ability, and I haven't passively just NOTICED that he's playing well, which is what I'd expect from him

So Xatalos isn't lynch bait? You're lynch bait?

I'm obvious lynch bait. Look, JAT and Rsoultin have personal animus against me, so they're always gonna vote me (no matter what they say about cases or what not).

No, I don't. If you gave a good reason for why Vivax or Xatalos should be killed instead of you I would be all ears but all you are doing is whining. I admit that the insults are not helping your case but that's more because you do this as mafia.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 23:37 GMT

#1429

On May 13 2015 08:33 marvellosity wrote:
i'm stoned and a bit confused

it seems like bh is posting better than vivax at least

You will have to decide soon.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 23:41 GMT

#1441

On May 13 2015 08:39 Half the Sky wrote:
LYNCH VIVAX WITH ME

DAMDRED, GB, STUTTERS, WHOEVER ELSE

Blazinghand, if you're somehow town, save yourself and vote Vivax please

##unvote
##vote Vivax

Fine.

justanothertownie

16316 Posts

May 12 2015 23:47 GMT

#1464

On May 13 2015 08:45 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone want to switch to KelsierSC?

The only reason that I think he is town is meta and activity. Meta being that he was very aggressively poking at people earlier, but in his town games he tends to townread people early (this is uncertain, though, since I did not find a scum game of his where he posted early in the game).

His reads have changed with seemingly little reason and his focus has been on the wrong things. I find it hard to see his reads coming from a town mindset.

We are lynching your target and now 15 minutes before deadline you are coming up with this? Seriously?

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