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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 11 2015 01:24 GMT
#361
On May 11 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 09:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 11 2015 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
On May 11 2015 08:12 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame veterans are too afraid to be the n0 kill and not contributing at all
Anyway I've already out of posts so I'll be waiting for dawn

JubJub list:

Obi
Bats
GB

Separate from mafia, these players are just stupid.


Yo what gives?

@BH: Why am I town?


you can't read and bh is a moron ^^ yay morons! \o/

can we lynch marv now?


lol I completely forgot BM gave him posts. I bet he was planning that out beforehand and thinking, "man, I bet this is going to make someone look like the dumbest."

Regardless, the townread still stands: I don't see scum!Damdred making that many posts and being that active early game.
Retired.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 11 2015 01:31 GMT
#362
Rsoul, just cause you don't town read someone it doesn't mean they are scum.
Give me one reason why marv is scum.

Sandro just made a completely unnecessary post calling gb town when nobody is even talking about gb. Why did you make that post Sandro?
Also your points involving td are that he has a weird read on gb and damdred?
Why is that read scummy?
No gg, No skill.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 11 2015 01:38 GMT
#363
On May 11 2015 10:19 yamato77 wrote:
I think Sandro's reads suck.

Usually that means we lynch him.


What sucks about his reads?
Retired.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 11 2015 01:49 GMT
#364
On May 11 2015 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul, just cause you don't town read someone it doesn't mean they are scum.
Give me one reason why marv is scum.

Sandro just made a completely unnecessary post calling gb town when nobody is even talking about gb. Why did you make that post Sandro?
Also your points involving td are that he has a weird read on gb and damdred?
Why is that read scummy?

iirc damdred was talking about GB, hts, and I'm pretty sure some other people are questioning him. I'm also quite sure you have made the same exact read just a page ago. My point on TD is not that his read is weird, but that he is clearly fabricating his "same alignment read" on damdred-gb. In the subsequent post (the huge list one) he ignores the main issue that people were questioning him about (damdred and KSC commented on that and maybe other people did as well that I don't recal) and skips his damdred read completely, makes a long post about very convoluted weak reads, shares some very convoluted suspicion on GB and somehow in the end concludes damdred and GB are town-town out of the blue.
It does look like he has conclusions already and is trying to fabricate explanations to fit them, which is mafia behavior. His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does.
TalkingDead
Profile Joined March 2015
102 Posts
May 11 2015 01:54 GMT
#365
On May 11 2015 10:49 sandroba wrote: His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does.

Considering that I haven't in any realistic way explained either the town-town or mafia-mafia read and that I haven't explained why I've ended up on town-town, you're making some major presumptions about how I arrive at that specific read. Honestly, I think you need to reread the game with a new set of eyes because I think you're really off base about numerous things.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 11 2015 01:55 GMT
#366
already gave a reason why marv is scum xP not going to give you more, bobo. read and be enlightened

bueno

willing to compromise on a SCUM and not a NULL because i'm not null-reading marv despite oats' implication to the contrary

mmmm honestly sandro td is just eeeeeeehhhh to me right now...i'm not a big fan of huge list posts with giant explanations and little worth in general, and while the town-town, scum-scum thing is odd i'm not sure how that makes him scum? unless you're implying (as you seem to be) that damdy and td are scum together, and that his linking damdy to gb and townreading gb is his way of implicitly protecting damdy...

i don't really agree with you on the damdred scumread. i've recently played with him as scum...it's not really settling in the same way for me. the best way to put it is fluidity i think but lol...i'm terrible at explaining these types of things if you're basing td's alignment on damdy's i think you're on the wrong track ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 11 2015 02:14 GMT
#367
On May 11 2015 10:54 TalkingDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 10:49 sandroba wrote: His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does.

Considering that I haven't in any realistic way explained either the town-town or mafia-mafia read and that I haven't explained why I've ended up on town-town, you're making some major presumptions about how I arrive at that specific read. Honestly, I think you need to reread the game with a new set of eyes because I think you're really off base about numerous things.

@TD you haven't explained it despite 3 or more people asking you to. Also in your long post you talk about how GB is very suspicious and somehow arrives at damdred and GB are town, which you haven't explained. If somehow you arived at damdred is town, then GB must be town too, then you didn't bother to explain your damdred read in your long post, despite it being the main point of contention of people adressing your post and explained your GB scum read which was already obsolete due to your same alignment logic which doesn't make any sense. I'm always open to read the game with a new set of eyes, but only when new information is presented, so you have to do your part here and provide reasonable explanations people are asking you to.

On May 11 2015 10:55 rsoultin wrote:
already gave a reason why marv is scum xP not going to give you more, bobo. read and be enlightened

bueno

willing to compromise on a SCUM and not a NULL because i'm not null-reading marv despite oats' implication to the contrary

mmmm honestly sandro td is just eeeeeeehhhh to me right now...i'm not a big fan of huge list posts with giant explanations and little worth in general, and while the town-town, scum-scum thing is odd i'm not sure how that makes him scum? unless you're implying (as you seem to be) that damdy and td are scum together, and that his linking damdy to gb and townreading gb is his way of implicitly protecting damdy...

i don't really agree with you on the damdred scumread. i've recently played with him as scum...it's not really settling in the same way for me. the best way to put it is fluidity i think but lol...i'm terrible at explaining these types of things if you're basing td's alignment on damdy's i think you're on the wrong track ^^

@rsoul I don't like to make assossiation reads this early into the game, especially with none of the parties involved flipped. They could be scum together, TD might be mafia alone and knows damdred is town and found it hard to justify his read, I could be dead wrong. I'm trying to figure out which, but I believe I'm definetely onto something regarding TD.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 11 2015 02:36 GMT
#368
So this is hopefully going to be my least informative and worst post of the game.

I now have a town read on td and sandroba.

this will likely cause me some grief but its how I feel at the moment in time.

(1)
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 11 2015 02:37 GMT
#369
TD can you answer please
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 11 2015 02:42 GMT
#370
On May 11 2015 11:36 Damdred wrote:
So this is hopefully going to be my least informative and worst post of the game.

I now have a town read on td and sandroba.

this will likely cause me some grief but its how I feel at the moment in time.

(1)


you could explain why tney are town, rather than talk about how you are going to get questioned.
Zerg for Life
TalkingDead
Profile Joined March 2015
102 Posts
May 11 2015 02:51 GMT
#371
Let's take a look at the series of interactions:
On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred is also mafia

On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
O, hai!

I'm John Travolta!

Yamato and HTS are Mafia.

On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
O, hai!

I'm John Travolta!

Yamato and HTS are Mafia.


This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.

However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.

Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.

HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.

KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.

LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.

Damdred chides GlowingBear while clarifying reads.
On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred is also mafia

On May 10 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that Trfel and KSC seem to be thinking critically now.

Your original question kel was a little lacking but the follow up was much better I think.

Firstly I don't necessarily have to agree with someones read on them to like the direction that they are going in the way that they are posting or the ideas they are pushing.

I think that HTS tone is decent in the post and I just kind of tacked it on to see who would call me out on it while they were reading. Plus it got some more conversation going

(5)

Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever and just ignores GlowingBear.
On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
5)Damdred

I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)

Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.

GlowingBear makes his large post with the odd Damdred followup.
On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote:
Obviously I think that GB is a busser and will just keep hitting his team mates over the head until he dies or his team mate dies we did it ourselves in a previous game. And it is possible that there is some connection between who he is scum reading potentially and himself but i'm not sure that hes necessarily scum but he is on the scummy side of null currently.

For example in his reads list a lot of what he says follows thread sentiment, theres nothing here that is against the grain so to speak, nothing really is standing out a part from what other people have generally said.

Also the read on batsnacks is interesting because it is reversed from GB calling him townsnacks earlier for sarcasm (which is a sign of a town snacks at points.).

Theres also an unevenness to how GB is reading if I pull your attention to Yamatos post and HTS post that GB is referring to, both of them cover the same topics and both have this sense of excitement about specific roles. Others have already commented on the tone of it, however GB is reading both of them differently by the same amount of content and for the same crime. I dislike this and give GB a scum point

Also i'm a bit biased due to it being about me, but his read on me is by the large completely devoid of reason. My response to RS opening is pretty null usually par to town read the first person posting even if its joking. However I have around 6 other content posts that GB ignores and doesn't even comment on just being happy to call me scum for a bad opening which again the unevenness putting other people at null for the same reasons.

I actually think GB is a scum lean just a really weird list post with unevenness throughout

(8)

Damdred counter pushes GlowingBear almost reactively in a "explore every detail" aspect.
On May 10 2015 13:55 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm at the party, won't go more in depth. Anyone scumreading me now is bad.

Damdred is always Mafia this game. Already.


Summarising why: townreads me for having a bad read on yamato, but says nothing about yamato being town. Says HTS is town but does not say that my scumread on her is bad.

Has weird instant townreads, specially on people he knows he can't have a good read this early (Rasputin's scum and town play are very similar, and he knows my reads can be bad as both town as Mafia after the latest games we played together, he can't have a town OR scumread based on that)

GlowingBear counter-counterpushes back.

On May 10 2015 14:23 Damdred wrote:
I never town read you.... I make a sarcastic remark about your read being as bad almost as bad if I called you town at that point.... But no never town read you.

My read on rsoultin is actually really good now days. Her town and scum games are actually very different on a few levels but I don't want to go into that giving her hints how to improve at this point, also its tradition to always townread the first post lol..

But anyway

Also GB isn't reading it seems never tries to refute what I'm saying just throwing dirt on me to try to discredit some valid things in saying about the list but instead like I said is throwing sand without actual interaction or showing why in the original post or here.

It is strangely familiar if you look at mini mafia 2 and how he interacted with palmar early in the game.

(9) also <3 bill

Then Damdred tries to disengage with the classic, "He's just mudslinging for total discredit value instead of arguing points."

The point of this is that neither really goes ham on the other. There's no large shitstorm, mudslinging or dickwaggling contest. For the most part, both of them tend to believe that they're right and that ignore relevant points the other has while claiming the 'high ground' for themselves. Then for the most part they both disengage from direct contact to worth with others. To me, this is a situation where they share alignments because as town-town they both know they can be wrong here and instead want to either engage other people to confirm or deny biased views. As mafia-mafia, there's no real advantage to hard double bus this early and get heavily place the focus on both of you especially when Damdred is a player who (while good at scum) works best when he's out of the direct spotlight. I excluded mafia-town because normally in mafia-town interaction, one of the two will hold onto and beat a dead horse (in regards to arguing with the other person).

The specific reason why I end up at town-town specifically on the two is because that's where I end up on both of them individually. Damdred looks really towny to me based on how he's interacting, tone, interest level and thought process. GlowingBear is likely the most controversial person in the thread; the most controversial person is almost always town.

On the whole, I'm surprised that you're less interested in talking about BillMurray, Blazinghand, LightningStrike or numerous others. Potentially even Trfel.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 11 2015 02:52 GMT
#372
On May 11 2015 11:42 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 11:36 Damdred wrote:
So this is hopefully going to be my least informative and worst post of the game.

I now have a town read on td and sandroba.

this will likely cause me some grief but its how I feel at the moment in time.

(1)


you could explain why tney are town, rather than talk about how you are going to get questioned.


You are always so pushy and rude at times kel when you are like this lol.

sandroba this game is exceptionally wrong about his two primary reads in me and td I feel. However hrs pushing his own ideas and his own agenda in the thread. If you look at any past game he rolls scum in you don't really see this kind of activity and ability to push like this, at this point in the game generally. O think he's really wrong but he's town.

I just like td, he might be obstinate about answering at times but he is pitting himself out there. I think he's town I don't want to say much more than that. Well one last thing he's really putting himself forward and not trying to blend in, I don't see a scum who has received some heat still putting this forward I think hr would be more agreeable and trying to explain rather than not and not blending.

(2)
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 11 2015 03:11 GMT
#373
TL ate my last two posts. :c

I think I see why people say sandroba is much better as town. His reads here are quite in-depth, and he seems at-ease when it comes to explaining his position and can elaborate on his thought process in detail and why he thinks it makes another person suspicious.

I had a much more well-thought out post but it, uh, died.

Pedit: Damdred stole my glory. D:
Retired.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 11 2015 03:11 GMT
#374
I don't know, the TD post just seemed like him having way to much to say about way to many people for that period of the game. And there's really no defense against that, it's strictly objective. That plus the fact that he didn't really have any real criticism of my play while trying to criticize my play makes me lean baisly mafia.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 11 2015 03:12 GMT
#375
On May 11 2015 11:51 TalkingDead wrote:
Let's take a look at the series of interactions:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred is also mafia

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
O, hai!

I'm John Travolta!

Yamato and HTS are Mafia.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote:
On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
O, hai!

I'm John Travolta!

Yamato and HTS are Mafia.


This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.

However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.

Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.

HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.

KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.

LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.

Damdred chides GlowingBear while clarifying reads.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred is also mafia

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that Trfel and KSC seem to be thinking critically now.

Your original question kel was a little lacking but the follow up was much better I think.

Firstly I don't necessarily have to agree with someones read on them to like the direction that they are going in the way that they are posting or the ideas they are pushing.

I think that HTS tone is decent in the post and I just kind of tacked it on to see who would call me out on it while they were reading. Plus it got some more conversation going

(5)

Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever and just ignores GlowingBear.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
5)Damdred

I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)

Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.

GlowingBear makes his large post with the odd Damdred followup.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote:
Obviously I think that GB is a busser and will just keep hitting his team mates over the head until he dies or his team mate dies we did it ourselves in a previous game. And it is possible that there is some connection between who he is scum reading potentially and himself but i'm not sure that hes necessarily scum but he is on the scummy side of null currently.

For example in his reads list a lot of what he says follows thread sentiment, theres nothing here that is against the grain so to speak, nothing really is standing out a part from what other people have generally said.

Also the read on batsnacks is interesting because it is reversed from GB calling him townsnacks earlier for sarcasm (which is a sign of a town snacks at points.).

Theres also an unevenness to how GB is reading if I pull your attention to Yamatos post and HTS post that GB is referring to, both of them cover the same topics and both have this sense of excitement about specific roles. Others have already commented on the tone of it, however GB is reading both of them differently by the same amount of content and for the same crime. I dislike this and give GB a scum point

Also i'm a bit biased due to it being about me, but his read on me is by the large completely devoid of reason. My response to RS opening is pretty null usually par to town read the first person posting even if its joking. However I have around 6 other content posts that GB ignores and doesn't even comment on just being happy to call me scum for a bad opening which again the unevenness putting other people at null for the same reasons.

I actually think GB is a scum lean just a really weird list post with unevenness throughout

(8)

Damdred counter pushes GlowingBear almost reactively in a "explore every detail" aspect.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 13:55 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm at the party, won't go more in depth. Anyone scumreading me now is bad.

Damdred is always Mafia this game. Already.


Summarising why: townreads me for having a bad read on yamato, but says nothing about yamato being town. Says HTS is town but does not say that my scumread on her is bad.

Has weird instant townreads, specially on people he knows he can't have a good read this early (Rasputin's scum and town play are very similar, and he knows my reads can be bad as both town as Mafia after the latest games we played together, he can't have a town OR scumread based on that)

GlowingBear counter-counterpushes back.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 14:23 Damdred wrote:
I never town read you.... I make a sarcastic remark about your read being as bad almost as bad if I called you town at that point.... But no never town read you.

My read on rsoultin is actually really good now days. Her town and scum games are actually very different on a few levels but I don't want to go into that giving her hints how to improve at this point, also its tradition to always townread the first post lol..

But anyway

Also GB isn't reading it seems never tries to refute what I'm saying just throwing dirt on me to try to discredit some valid things in saying about the list but instead like I said is throwing sand without actual interaction or showing why in the original post or here.

It is strangely familiar if you look at mini mafia 2 and how he interacted with palmar early in the game.

(9) also <3 bill

Then Damdred tries to disengage with the classic, "He's just mudslinging for total discredit value instead of arguing points."

The point of this is that neither really goes ham on the other. There's no large shitstorm, mudslinging or dickwaggling contest. For the most part, both of them tend to believe that they're right and that ignore relevant points the other has while claiming the 'high ground' for themselves. Then for the most part they both disengage from direct contact to worth with others. To me, this is a situation where they share alignments because as town-town they both know they can be wrong here and instead want to either engage other people to confirm or deny biased views. As mafia-mafia, there's no real advantage to hard double bus this early and get heavily place the focus on both of you especially when Damdred is a player who (while good at scum) works best when he's out of the direct spotlight. I excluded mafia-town because normally in mafia-town interaction, one of the two will hold onto and beat a dead horse (in regards to arguing with the other person).

The specific reason why I end up at town-town specifically on the two is because that's where I end up on both of them individually. Damdred looks really towny to me based on how he's interacting, tone, interest level and thought process. GlowingBear is likely the most controversial person in the thread; the most controversial person is almost always town.

On the whole, I'm surprised that you're less interested in talking about BillMurray, Blazinghand, LightningStrike or numerous others. Potentially even Trfel.



well I guess that makes sense, I'm not sure about this point

"Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever"

I didn't see that in the quote..I'm not sure if you are trying to twist the quote to fit your narrative now. leaving this for now.

what about the other questions I asked you , the ones I quoted.
furthermore , what is weird to me is that you call it town-town. but the way you spoke about GB in the large post is to call him mafia . but yeh want to hear the rest of your answers.


On May 11 2015 11:52 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 11:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 11 2015 11:36 Damdred wrote:
So this is hopefully going to be my least informative and worst post of the game.

I now have a town read on td and sandroba.

this will likely cause me some grief but its how I feel at the moment in time.

(1)


you could explain why tney are town, rather than talk about how you are going to get questioned.


You are always so pushy and rude at times kel when you are like this lol.

sandroba this game is exceptionally wrong about his two primary reads in me and td I feel. However hrs pushing his own ideas and his own agenda in the thread. If you look at any past game he rolls scum in you don't really see this kind of activity and ability to push like this, at this point in the game generally. O think he's really wrong but he's town.

I just like td, he might be obstinate about answering at times but he is pitting himself out there. I think he's town I don't want to say much more than that. Well one last thing he's really putting himself forward and not trying to blend in, I don't see a scum who has received some heat still putting this forward I think hr would be more agreeable and trying to explain rather than not and not blending.

(2)


well you said that you were going to get grief for it,

does your read on td still stand after his novel?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 11 2015 03:13 GMT
#376
^objective = subjective

Just for clarification.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 11 2015 03:19 GMT
#377
Actually yea that was a really good explanation for his read and why he left out mafia-town from his way of thinking. I think it is a bit of a narrative to an extent but I thought it showed his thought process and how he came about it. I still think hes town.

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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 11 2015 03:19 GMT
#378
Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude.

I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ...
No gg, No skill.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 11 2015 03:20 GMT
#379
If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 11 2015 03:22 GMT
#380
On May 11 2015 12:19 Damdred wrote:
Actually yea that was a really good explanation for his read and why he left out mafia-town from his way of thinking. I think it is a bit of a narrative to an extent but I thought it showed his thought process and how he came about it. I still think hes town.

(3)


well you said this

" I think hr would be more agreeable and trying to explain"

but he just posted an explanation, some of which feels like an over explanation. so how come he is still town.


Your point about "blending" doesn't make any sense, if people are questioning you and you dodge, don't answer and say reread you are going to get called mafia.

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