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On May 07 2015 06:05 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:58 The Shining wrote:
Err...you, Trfel, Cel. Whatevs.
Ritoky still town btw. Me lynching prpl would be policy.
I need to really read yosu, TT, Stutters. Because by poe, I have Cel, HtS, Ritoky, Super town. I think there's an active scum in there.
The other 2 are deff between Yosu, TT, Stutters, Dis. And the fact I almost forgot Dis makes him prime suspect. If I had to go tinfoil hat theory and come up with one reason why either of Celestial or ritoky were scum - Celestial doesn't seem to be actually pushing anyone save prplhz, but he doesn't strike me as an overly aggressive type, certainly wasn't as mafia. I know I primed him on who else he found suspicious, he said y0su. That MIGHT be the only thing jumping at me if I had to go tinfoil on him. ritoky as I've said many times before is a very good scum player. His strategy as mafia is making sure he's only the second worst in the bunch. I was scared because of what I felt were jumps in logic D1 when he said something about my overly diplomatic tone and the tonal shift. The thing that jumps out at me on ritoky is that he scumread me D1 on a tonal shift or a tonal argument but then criticised the Superbia train based on the fact that the bases for the scumreads were tonal arguments.
EBWOP - meant to bold this as well.
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So you believe his argument is bad? (but wrong =/= mafia)
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If this game doesn't have a DT, I swear I'm going to lose it post-game.
(No, DT should not claim. I'm just ranting.)
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On May 07 2015 05:46 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:23 Half the Sky wrote:
You're also finding it hard to read Superbia I see. What do you also think of him with his responses to me? Well. First impression... to quote the late FF "He is an angry face". He seems angry and dismissive of most of your points, which I don't like. At all. But the points he makes in the beginning in regard to his playstyle probably explain why I can't read this guy at all and am not very fond of him. So his tone screams scum at me. But I guess it can be a really good playstyle for finding mafia. He is super scary.At least he dropped defending prplhz now... Currently thinking a bit in the lines of: Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay? As in: He is suspicious at hell. But I don't really want to lynch him right now. I still dislike The Shining and prplhz more and have other ppl coasting around at the boarders of null.
You're scumreading Superbia based on tone and the "fucking favour" quote. But you are saying his playstyle is good for finding mafia.
How do you think he's using that playstyle?
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On May 05 2015 04:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 04:48 The Shining wrote:On May 05 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:On May 05 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
Effort read? effort reads are things like x is town cuz he is posting a lot, reading shit, considering things, asking questions, and such similar things. Ohhhh, like my read on HtS VS my read on Super. Like the fact that Super had no proof he even read any of my past games, other than claiming I'm usually relaxed. Whereas HtS has been in games with me, and in her other posts not regarding me, uses quotes to illustrate her thought process. Is that what you meant when you said I was inconsistent? no i meant you're giving effort based reads on HtS, yet you avoid giving effort based reads on say...me or ff. if you think x is town for doing y thing, and z and a are also doing y thing, why aren't z and a town for same reason? that's what i mean by inconsistent.
You mean the same guy who mentioned looking fir inconsistencies early? Interesting that he wouldn't notice the inconsistency in attacking tone reads while having them himself. I'm moving him up on my filter list, bleh
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Let me pull those quotes in question so to make sure I'm not taking anything out of context. I want to be absolutely sure here.
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On May 07 2015 06:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Let me pull those quotes in question so to make sure I'm not taking anything out of context. I want to be absolutely sure here.
EBWOP - re ritoky
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Lol that's what I was going to do, hence making his filter priority.
Time and again, I sign up for a newbie and we lynch inactives, newbies and inactive newbies. Can anyone tell me the results of that the last 2 Student games?
Town loss, no scum lynched. I'm looking for the active scum first this time.
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Scumread on me D1
On May 05 2015 04:54 ritoky wrote:
wtf, this is way too diplomatic sounding. has damdred taken over your account and taught you the diplomacy voice?
On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote:
reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made.
On May 05 2015 05:45 ritoky wrote:and there's such a tonal shift between this: Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 05:37 Half the Sky wrote:On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote:
reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made. 1 Already rationalised the opposite reads. If you agree to disagree, fine. 2 I've made points against my two top scumreads (additional against Scott/original against Superbia), neither of which are or have been in the thread as of late to further engage. But there are three scummers in this setup, so why not just keep digging and seeing what else turns up? 3 Diplomatic tone (reading what you just posted) was from one post. Go back to how I cased Superbia and tell me that's diplomatic. In fact I would think #1 (your point on reading them opposite) contradicts the fact that I'm diplomatic. The post you quoted, I'm looking for followthrough from Tictock in case you couldn't tell. 4 The "don't feel obviously town" is about as bad as it gets as you could apply that to half the players in this game right now. That's a PoE argument best saved for late game. Plus you were more interested in Stutters when you threw your vote on me. There are some flaws in your logic. Particularly #3. Try again. and this: Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 04:51 Half the Sky wrote:On May 04 2015 05:23 Tictock wrote:
Both Superbia and The Shining made some eyebrow raising early game plays, but they appear to be contributing now and I can easily see the early game stuff being sillyness or just attempts at pressure. No real reads on them.
I'm getting pretty strong town vibes from y0su, disformation, and ritoky. I really like disformation's attempts to poke and ask questions. y0su is my weakest read of these 3, but feels like a solid town.
Everyone else... well there simply isn't enough out of prplhz or sicklucker to really go off of. Not much to go off of Stutters695 either, another person who states he "doesn't do day 1" which is pretty meh but NAI.
Pretty much all I got for now. On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
I left HtS out of my earlier reads due to just joining the thread. That was awhile ago and HtS did not provide much besides some suspicions against Superbia. Getting a scum read for now until there is something to show otherwise.
As for Superbia, I'm having a hard time getting a solid read now. I was getting a scum vibe from his play the first half of D1 here but he is looking more town here near the end of the day. I want to keep an eye on him but atm he doesn't seem like a good lynch.
prplhz is looking pretty scum to me right now too. He made one post with actual content and even that was mostly an excuse as to why he isn't posting.
Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either.
prp and HtS really need to contribute, SL and Stutters are also barely active & have contributed nothing solid thus far. I am really curious to see what Tictock has to say on Superbia particularly on the exchange between him and Celestial if he has any input or even between that and Shining. Both disinformation and myself are also headscratching on him at the moment, and one of my issues with Superbia is that particular exchange. I realise he's partying hard (happy birthday btw!) but look forward to a response when he returns. in terms of my 3rd point. you're actually pushing me on the points i made above, which is cool and i can get behind that. yet here you're curious and in passive voice and not actively seeking responses or answers, which i can't get behind and sounds mafia being diplomatic style.
Criticism of Superbia train
On May 07 2015 02:16 ritoky wrote:
i am not particularly a fan of this superbia lynch. it seems very similar to the scott lynch. same people pushing it, no1 defending superbia, a lot of tone reasoning, and no real exploration into other people. i feel like one of the few people considering alternatives.
someone might be railroading this game....need to figure out whom.
I'm pretty sure I'm comparing apples to apples here.
ritoky, given this comparison, when are you feeling it appropriate to use tone reasoning to scumread people?
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I have to duck out for a bit, attend to EoD in another ongoing game. Might be gone for the evening....not sure.
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On May 07 2015 06:13 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:46 disformation wrote:On May 07 2015 05:23 Half the Sky wrote:
You're also finding it hard to read Superbia I see. What do you also think of him with his responses to me? Well. First impression... to quote the late FF "He is an angry face". He seems angry and dismissive of most of your points, which I don't like. At all. But the points he makes in the beginning in regard to his playstyle probably explain why I can't read this guy at all and am not very fond of him. So his tone screams scum at me. But I guess it can be a really good playstyle for finding mafia. He is super scary.At least he dropped defending prplhz now... Currently thinking a bit in the lines of: On May 07 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay? As in: He is suspicious at hell. But I don't really want to lynch him right now. I still dislike The Shining and prplhz more and have other ppl coasting around at the boarders of null. You're scumreading Superbia based on tone and the "fucking favour" quote. But you are saying his playstyle is good for finding mafia. How do you think he's using that playstyle?
Nono. Was mostly talking about this post (should have been clearer, sry):
On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 01:45 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker and Celestial - evaluate Superbia's behaviour INDEPENDENT of meta (or in this case his RB claim).
There are town and mafia motivations for claiming RB.
My contention is that his behaviour in this game there is a mafia agenda. To sum up my arguments.
1 Loaded questions - both to myself and Stutters - generally unproductive
2 Misdirection plays
3 The quote where he talks in absolutes where he's basically asking to dismiss him as a scum candidate
4 The DT claim request - DT claims this early in the day destroy the day
5 Behaviour EoD 1 was a "toys out the pram" approach to getting me lynched and his read progression was lacking with OMGUS in there
6 Post lynch he has ZERO focus on me and goes off on Stutters
And finally the meta - I am not meta reading it but the above looks very bad, I don't care that he's active because activity alone does not guarantee he's pure. I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh. 1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset. 2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset? 3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play. 4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies. 5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now. 6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today. Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me.
Were he is aggressive and dismissive of your style in contrast to being calm and stuff. Which I don't like.
So I read his tone as scum. But it is possible that I don't agree with his playstyle which he describes in this post. But I can also see how this playstyle can be town motivated. As in "I am going to annoy those mafia guys until do something stupid". And he is actively and aggressively engaging people, which would fit that train of thought. Though I think he is engaging the wrong people...
But I can't be sure that he is not being mafia and tries to get people to make mistakes so he can get a misslynch going.
I was quoting the "fucking flavour" thing to show what I am currently thinking. As in: I am highly suspicious of the guy, but I don't think we should lynch today. On the other hand he would be like my third or fourth pick right now... so I guess I am leaning scum on him.
I probably have to rethink and reread everything tomorrow, again. *sigh* xD
And yes I know that I come across as an indecisive piece of crap.
Sry, Town for making this game way harder than it already is. xD
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sicklucker....I really need your response on Superbia's reaction. Additional scumreads please.
You even held yourself accountable to that.
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On May 07 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:47 y0su wrote:
It's a lot of excuses. Very scummy. His only "read" is a weak town on HtS in which he goes wifom to justify it being weak.
That said, RL comes up so I'm not going to jump on him cause he's not the only one afk (or lurking). So it's scummy but it's not?
where do you get the "not" part?
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On May 07 2015 06:34 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:On May 07 2015 05:47 y0su wrote:
It's a lot of excuses. Very scummy. His only "read" is a weak town on HtS in which he goes wifom to justify it being weak.
That said, RL comes up so I'm not going to jump on him cause he's not the only one afk (or lurking). So it's scummy but it's not? where do you get the "not" part?
You're literally making excuses for him. x:
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on phone so don't have much capabilities of posting quality info.
but i think there's at least 1 between ticktock and prp. and 1 between y0su and shining.
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unless prp comes in and claims a role and doesn't get cc'd. then i have to reconsider. i mean..i am probably lynching him unless he claims/
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On May 07 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
on phone so don't have much capabilities of posting quality info.
but i think there's at least 1 between ticktock and prp. and 1 between y0su and shining.
I'm not sure about the 1 between, but I have all 4 of those currently on my scum list. Shining probably the least scummy at the moment. Not entirely sure.
Gonna go to sleep soon and evaluate/solve tomorrow. Day off so should be good.
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On May 07 2015 06:39 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 06:34 y0su wrote:On May 07 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:On May 07 2015 05:47 y0su wrote:
It's a lot of excuses. Very scummy. His only "read" is a weak town on HtS in which he goes wifom to justify it being weak.
That said, RL comes up so I'm not going to jump on him cause he's not the only one afk (or lurking). So it's scummy but it's not? where do you get the "not" part? You're literally making excuses for him. x:
I'm saying I'm accepting the excuses he made, but not letting them change how I felt before he made the excuses.
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On May 07 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
on phone so don't have much capabilities of posting quality info.
but i think there's at least 1 between ticktock and prp. and 1 between y0su and shining.
Would love to see you come back when not on mobile and actually explain this. Because I'm in your filter right now and this isn't what I'm seeing.
Do tell.
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The last 3 mentions of yosu in ritoky filter.
On May 06 2015 02:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 02:51 -Celestial- wrote:On May 06 2015 02:14 ritoky wrote:
-c-, i don't understand your hts read. why aren't you leaning town on her? she basically has the exact same reads as you. I already mentioned why in my post above. Simply put: I know from personal experience she can make a good job of hiding as scum. A few pages ago Superbia asked for my thoughts on HtS and my conclusion was the following: Okay, overall...fairly townie BUT seems to be taking quite an easy route of it. She's doing some of her own work rather than just sheeping but most of it is largely uncontroversial. Its typically just a continuation of what other people have said rather than anything hugely bold; although she does bring up a few fresh new points. I'm not really convinced of scum but given how smart I know HtS can be as scum from the last game its always a possibility. The whole thing of not particularly rustling anybody's feathers bothers me just a little. Though that could be simply because she came into the thread late. Obviously there's been more since then. I WANT to townread her but honestly this game I'm not sure she's ever going to get better than a null from my own inherently suspicious bias. Sure, some of our reads are similar but I don't actually consider that to be outright alignment indicative in and of itself. I'm not perfect (as the egg on my face from pushing the scott lynch so hard can attest to) which means its entirely possible she's simply picked up on reads I've gotten wrong and is going along with it to fit in. Or she might genuinely believe it. Or she might think that I might think that and.... I'm drifting into WIFOM territory here. >_> okay. so you're pretty much confirmed town. so there's me, -c-, and probably y0su as conf town. although y0su is afk a ton so gotta be wary of me just giving him a pass on 1 thing. dunno, i am real conflicted on hts. she says townie things but i dislike her tone, she notices things i notice but reacts the wrong way. i guess the heart of it stems from people having town reads on her at this point and i can't comprehend why. at best she is a complex null. i think that from a straight objective standpoint.
Bolded.
On May 06 2015 03:58 ritoky wrote:
superbia, gimme your read on y0su
Picks his pocketbuddy for a yosu read. Then? Nothing else. No progression. One of yosu and Shining are scum.
Where did your confirmed town read go? And why are you confirming ppl pre flip?
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