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On May 10 2015 06:49 ritoky wrote: i get home in probably 4 hrs, so i will read it more thoroughly there. that said, my initial thoughts is that SL has been tunneled pretty hard on me for a lot of the game, which doesn't seem like a winning strat as the last mafia alive. he is high on the lynch list, tunneling me and me flipping town will only put him closer to the lynch so idk...doesn't seem like a winning line of play. TT statistically likely town -c- pretty much town superbia conf town y0su considered my claim so might be town. which leaves shining and hts....so after i read your SL read, i should probably read those 2 filters. I just looked through SL's filter and found 0 evidence of this claim. Care to enlighten us ritoky? | ||
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gee, I wonder why... I need to get to bed, it's only a little over 5 hours before I have to be at work. Hopefully I can get up early and figure out how to proceed into EoD. I wont have much time after work thanks to Mothers Day. D3 is turning out to be a headache, town is making this harder than it should be. | ||
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Ended up back in SL's filter seeing what I had to build a full EoD case against him, and I ran into this. On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy At first this looks like it pretty much confirms SL as town. It doesn't make sense that SL and Stutters on a scum team would carry on like this, much less Stutters poke holes in a teammates theory to get a Town lynched. ...But then if we assume SL is Town (and Stutters obv would know that) WHY would stutters poke at SL's idea? Wouldn't Stutters support this completely wrong notion to the fullest (knowing as scum that it is 100% untrue). Does it make more sense that Stutters is bad Mafia and does not take advantage of town SL's incorrect play? or Is it probable that SL and Stutters per-arranged this exchange to give town cred? I can't tell if I'm getting stuck in WIFOM or if I'm just tired. | ||
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"I see all these as ppl as town, lets just roll through the rest to win, ok?" "Still voting ritoky" "I like how he defends me as town" All I see is scum. If your town, it's time to stop being a lazy ass posting one line posts and not reading the thread. So yea, I'm ready to lynch you. | ||
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Only scum tries to say that we don't have to bother to look for scum anymore. At this stage of the game that's the only thing Town has to NOT do. This is literally my first game ever of Mafia, I'm willing to say that the mechanics you've suggested this entire game are god awful and will never aid town. ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker | ||
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Too afraid to vote for me because I'm actually around and don't have votes stacked up on me already? | ||
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In a game where "town steamrolled mafia, so it doesn't matter" | ||
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Case ya missed it ##Vote: sicklucker | ||
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On May 10 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote: Well Your wrong It happens, I can accept that. I'd rather not accept lazy town play as an excuse, to being wrong. | ||
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I think I have a fairly solid case against SL here, and at this point there is little that will change my vote. Fair Warning, I'm going to go a little crazy with quotes. As per usual I'll try to bury reference quotes in spoilers, just be warned there may be a lot in some of them. D1: SL enters the game with a weak town claim off the bat, hidden away in spoilers (ish). Makes a few pokes a people then jumps on scott. On May 03 2015 13:17 sicklucker wrote: ##Vote: scott31337 ya I dont like scotts no reason to vote me vote after he enters the game expecting to "keep an eye on me" This is WELL after -c- makes his open post and starts to focus scott and this is the first time he mentions scott in any post. This is exactly why I called him out for sheeping the vote, to which he tried to claim otherwise (total lies, if you check the thread) + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2015 16:53 sicklucker wrote: My vote was not sheep I was one if not the first to bring him up. He opened with how he wanted to keep an eye on me, then voted me because I didnt post much as my pre game excuse said I would then he said a bunch of other garbage and afked for 24 hours. He had 1 post after that which I called him out as being town but no one was interested in voting hts with 3 votes. Now with a vote on someone who is already under pressure, SL starts to post more casually. He stops quoting people and starts making a lot more spam posts. When called on it, he starts to use his lazy excuse. On May 04 2015 09:06 sicklucker wrote: im already doing shit On May 04 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: I did my usual routine of going through the thread and quoting and talking about things that interest me thoughts? On May 04 2015 09:09 sicklucker wrote: conivnce me not to vote whats his face obs guy scott because from my pov and whjat I read he looks pretty bad Notice he still gives no reason why he doesn't like scott. The rest of SL's posts D1 are trash and spam. Makes weak efforts to target people, all without anything backing it up. On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote: So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho Then, 1 hour before EoD (proof) SL does this. On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town On May 05 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote: i might switch! On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: no ones switching anyway. Boring Those last 2 posts were literally right at EoD. D2 This is the day SL starts pushing his mechanical plays. He actually starts with an interested play, On May 06 2015 16:49 sicklucker wrote: If im a cop I have a green on hts On May 07 2015 00:34 sicklucker wrote: I would totally do this as the real cop 100% of the time its something I learned on another site. The idea is to fake it x amount that mafia does not believe me. but if I do die in the night and I am the real cop theirs no fighting about who my check is because I left it in the thread. Also if I am faking a check and I die in the night as vt, it means hts is most likely town because mafia would have no reason to kill me if my fake check was on a mafia member. Its a very useful strategy that everyone should use Might have something solid behind it, seems just as misleading to town as it is to mafia to me though. SL's main play D2 is of course his theory regarding Super's RB claim making him scum. On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote: oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia. 50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this This argument is total bull, it would have had us lynching our Vig. The math doesn't hold either. In a game where we have 4 setups, 2 of them with Vet 2 without, there is always a 50% chance that we don't have a Vet regardless of when or how people claim RB. To town with limited information the odds never get better than that, 50% change the claim is valid or invalid. Regardless of the mechanics there the fact that SL squandered the whole day pushing this logic and nothing else is disturbing. He keeps us the same canned responses when asked about who he would target besides Super, never actually giving a read. On May 07 2015 07:03 sicklucker wrote: stutters or that guy who just made the worst post of all time yosu On May 08 2015 04:28 sicklucker wrote: another 9-1 vote hum le sign those are never good for info. Also its not super I have no read on this person Happens when you don't make them. EoD and N2 are just disgraceful, SL doesn't even make efforts to read the thread and misses key flips and events. Bigun: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2015 04:29 sicklucker wrote: Like the way the votes piled up . This dudes always a town unless the mafia team is super, ritoky and him. Which is acualy a potential team but very unlike;u On May 08 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote: oh i didnt acualy read the thread before i said any of this. Did he botch a claim? On May 08 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: Good so there is a vet. Im usually right on these things. this makes super mafia gg buday whos your partner is it rly ritoky? On May 08 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: Good so there is a vet. Im usually right on these things. this makes super mafia gg buday whos your partner is it rly ritoky? Legit terrible town play? Mafia trying "too scum to be scum"? D3 SL starts to claim some people town, continues his trend from the ENTIRE game of never really looking for scum. I already did a bunch of reading into his stuff from today in my past few posts so most of my arguments about his D3 are there, but it's really just more of the same. The ONLY hole I see in my entire case I posted here. Feel free to comment. Besides the slew of other disinformation SL has been spouting out this game, some of which I included here, there is one more key thing I would like to make VERY clear. On May 10 2015 18:21 sicklucker wrote: or lazy town. Look we steam rolled mafia. Plenty of people got spewed town by the mafia that flipped. We have 3or 4 lynches left. Theres 8 players. Im pretty sure none of the five I listed are scum. So if we kill the 3 people outside of them. It helps that two of them want to kill me for pretty scummy reasons with bad logic. Im very happy where this game is at. We have 3 lynches left. We are in D3 with 8 people, and unless we catch the last scum we will loose 2 town per day. That leaves us with 6 people going into D4 and 4 people going into D5, I believe you'd call D5 lylo? If by the EoD5 town has not correctly voted the last scum Town looses as the ML drops us to 3 and the NK to 2, Mafia wins. Therefor it is still VERY important that we make sure our last 3 targets count, and the sooner we find scum the better. Can't believe I feel like I have to say that last part. That's likely it from me until EoD (maybe after) thanks to work, Mothers Day and the fact I have now been up all night >.< | ||
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Everything I said is evidence that all you have done this game is given misdirection, lied, and made terrible plays. If that is not the definition of scum play then I clearly walked into the wrong game. I also like how you remind me I'm town every other post, while posting stuff like this. On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: I would acualy rather see yosu dead over ritoky. My logic is if hes town then hes not going to derp away an auto win an dvote me here like the newer players will On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: So thats why im voting him. Think id rather tictoc over yosu but I really dont care | ||
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D1 I didn't realize just how much time I was going to need to read and absorb enough to make reads on people. Ended up with no time and a little confused what I wanted to do. Felt like I was able to pick up the ball after that and town was able to do the same with picking off prp D2. I found it a little odd though how a few people ignored my early suspicion of him and gave credit to -c- and HtS who solidified the case. I mean sure the deserve the credit for making him the clear target to town, but I felt like I got brushed aside as a newbie. It was also a bit odd playing since I often found myself posting when nobody was around. D3 was the first day where I felt like I had an idea who and how I should push on, but the interactions felt so sour. Especially my exchange with SL left me pretty frustrated. Actually that's why I only posted that snippet before, wanted to give myself time to calm down and reflect before posting again. I'll likely play again in the next newbie game to give Mafia a fair chance, but my experience from this game is pretty mixed. I've found that sometimes being totally honest and sharing what I think pisses people off a lot more than I expect, so I'm spoiler-ing the rest of my thoughts. So if I manage to piss you off just remember you choose to read this + Show Spoiler + First off this is more or less about my stuff with SL, trying not to be personal about it, but if I fail sorry. So I get that he plays this super lazy style, but I don't get why everyone just accepts it. I mean I put together some pretty solid reasons why I thought he was scum this game and put some effort into detailing why I thought that. This is instantly brushed off by everyone who isn't new SIMPLY because that's his Meta. Like really? Metas change you guys, if SL knows that he never does PoE as scum and knows that you all know that, whats to stop him just throwing that into a game as scum and suddenly everyone goes, "ok thats his town meta, mark him green"? Maybe the biggest reason why that bugs me is because this is a newbie game. A game that HAS to have multiple new players who are learning. I noticed you guys tend to push newbies quite a bit and point out when their reads are weak in an instance. When I was seeing this I thought "of man, these guys are really gunna me on my feet, much less scum." Then I see SL doing the same stuff (giving weak, or unbacked reads, posting very little, etc) and everyone goes, "Oh he plays like that" How am I supposed to take this as a new person here? It's a bit of a double standard to push new players for stuff but excuse vets for the same stuff. A new player has literally NO WAY of understanding anyone's metas and besides reading past games has no way of learning. So either we have to accept what is being said about that person (removing our ability to judge them on our on) or go spend a ton of extra time reading for peoples metas. Why should we have to do all that work to understand a player who is just lazy? I might not mind this style of play so much, expect that SL was outright giving bad advice to town the whole game. As town... in a NEWBIE game... simply because he's too lazy to do real reading so he comes up with "great mechanical plays." In addition when I was pressuring him D3, he keeps giving me glib one line responses, and eventually stars just calling me names. One post that showed more than 5 seconds of thought or minimal effort would have given me pause, but that's too much effort. That REALLY bugs me. Then he just gets defended and my whole bit of reasoning is thrown out the window, because of one word, Meta. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say meta reads should never happen. I totally get the value, I just see Meta reads as possibly misleading due to changing metas. It's when that's literally the ONLY defense for a person's actions/play that late in a game. That's an issue for me. I feel like this is telling me I shouldn't bother to try so hard. It might look bad to be lazy, but it will soon get read not as lazy, but as meta. Not only will it let me avoid reading or giving more than minimal effort, but it makes my scum game easier to play since my town game already will luck scummy. Are you guys really ok sending this message? So thats my rant, here is my question. Given that SL's town play is at best lazy, and possibly hugely detrimental to town (if we had followed his play on D2...) why isn't he just a policy lynch every game? You possibly catch an easy scum, at worst get rid of an unreliable town. | ||
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On May 12 2015 15:27 sicklucker wrote: Also you didnt even remotely "piss me off" I dont take this game personal you shouldnt either Good, I'm not taking it personally either. Bugged the hell out of me for a bit, but I def didn't loose any sleep over it (even when I said I was going to bed and came back an hour later, happens all the time thanks to my unreliable work hours). I'm probably being overly critical about your idea D2 with the RB lynch. You did post that stuff about pseudo-claiming DT checks with "if I was DT, X is green" which seems like it has some merit, though at the same time it serves to confuse town as much as mafia. On May 12 2015 22:38 Half the Sky wrote: You didn't do badly at all for your first game, you had to counterclaim prplhz (from your perspective) though on my end given his play and the timing of his claim (6h prior to EoD is too premature...1-2h is more acceptable) even if he had claimed DT, I would not have believed it and I would have proceeded to push his lynch based on gameplay. But things like that you figure out only through experience. Your medic save on Superbia was fine N1 since he was most obvious town. Celestial would have also been acceptable. I'm not sure I understand why that is such a distinct difference, especially factoring in time zones. | ||
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