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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
May 04 2015 20:04 GMT
#701
Remember, kids, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread.

to go.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 04 2015 20:10 GMT
#702
On May 05 2015 05:01 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 04:47 Stutters695 wrote:
I know it's not too helpful but I'll be more around tonight as well.


So after eod? =/

On and off before. I just don't have the time today :/
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:10 GMT
#703
Shining, Superbia is a scumread for me at the moment, I am mainly trying to stress that he responds to what I had. Like I said before he's away and I'll give him reasonable time to respond. But I also take note of who has questions/concerns about whom. From my first game, I'd learnt to scumread people who are evasive or dodge questions, be it myself or someone's elses. Just because I say this doesn't mean disinformation is town (I hadn't even looked at him too closely yet) if that's what you are hinting at, because I know scum can certainly prompt each other in qt to answer each other's questions.

But if say Superbia were to respond to one of us and not the other, it would give us some room to question why. If that makes any sense.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:20 GMT
#704
On May 05 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote:
okay wtf deadline is tonight

i don't know about scot31337. i got a good feeling about him pointing out that the shining was joking when other people couldn't see it. i also don't feel like lynching into some new guy for hardly any reason, did that way too much in last student mini.

actually i'd much rather lynch hts. hts pointing out last game that it was obvious we were going in the wrong direction when we lynched a new guy for the third day in a row but now she doesn't mind continuing for a fourth day in a row? i don't know the cases on scot31337 don't speak to me at all and one of them is by celestial that i also have a bad feeling about (that people don't share for some reason).

also hts is scum reading me for saying shining's entrance was super odd, but she's not scum reading the people who felt the same thing about it? FF ritoky super felt the same way, why is she picking me out of all players?

##Vote Half The Sky


1 Scott isn't new. Try again.
2 Not sure where you're getting the bolded from. Are you meta reading me? If you are, you are making a distorted comparison at best. See #1. Scott is not a new player, and certainly not in the same vein as disinformation, tictock, y0su. Did a bit of digging on y0su and he's looking okay after some questioning.
3 Final paragraph - read my filter. You said you caught up but clearly you missed that. Off one post, you were a weaker scumread and I stated that already. I had stronger scumreads in Scott and Superbia, also mentioned the latter's exchange with Shining.

If you're accusing me of having easy scumreads then clearly you haven't read my posts on Superbia. Selective reading. Good job. /end sarcasm
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:26 GMT
#705
On May 04 2015 03:39 prplhz wrote:
@superbia @ritoky what do you think about celestial? he is coming on as super tryhard, like nothing i've ever seen before. he stands out a lot compared to the general relaxed atmosphere in the thread. didn't filter him yet (dunno how much i can get out of that this early anyway) but it's just something that been sticking out a lot.

also @superbia happy birthday!


On May 05 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote:
i don't know the cases on scot31337 don't speak to me at all and one of them is by celestial that i also have a bad feeling about (that people don't share for some reason).


I'm probably one of the few not scumreading prplhz for solely lack of filter. But here's another problem with this. So prplhz, you say he has a bad feeling on celestial for being super tryhard. That was early D1. Now he says the same thing, even though Celestial has made some hard arguments against people other than Scott. No commentary whatsoever either way on Celestial's gameplay from mid to late D1.

Also if you think the case against Scott is flawed, why?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:26 GMT
#706
EBWOP - So prplhz, you say you have a bad feeling...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:37 GMT
#707
On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote:
reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made.


1 Already rationalised the opposite reads. If you agree to disagree, fine.
2 I've made points against my two top scumreads (additional against Scott/original against Superbia), neither of which are or have been in the thread as of late to further engage. But there are three scummers in this setup, so why not just keep digging and seeing what else turns up?
3 Diplomatic tone (reading what you just posted) was from one post. Go back to how I cased Superbia and tell me that's diplomatic. In fact I would think #1 (your point on reading them opposite) contradicts the fact that I'm diplomatic. The post you quoted, I'm looking for followthrough from Tictock in case you couldn't tell.
4 The "don't feel obviously town" is about as bad as it gets as you could apply that to half the players in this game right now. That's a PoE argument best saved for late game.

Plus you were more interested in Stutters when you threw your vote on me. There are some flaws in your logic. Particularly #3.

Try again.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 20:42 GMT
#708
when you're town you're the lioness. you're the leader of the pack. you like to play from the front. why are you playing from the back?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:44 GMT
#709
On May 05 2015 05:42 ritoky wrote:
when you're town you're the lioness. you're the leader of the pack. you like to play from the front. why are you playing from the back?


I was AFK first half of D1. Already explained that pre-game. Tried to settle in Sunday night (my time) and something came up at home and I was still on page 15 of 24 when that happened. Already stated that too. Today was the first real crack at the game that I've had.

I've gotten wrecked by RL before as both alignments, and this game happened to start on the weekend which is generally bad for me anyways.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 20:45 GMT
#710
and there's such a tonal shift between this:

On May 05 2015 05:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote:
reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made.


1 Already rationalised the opposite reads. If you agree to disagree, fine.
2 I've made points against my two top scumreads (additional against Scott/original against Superbia), neither of which are or have been in the thread as of late to further engage. But there are three scummers in this setup, so why not just keep digging and seeing what else turns up?
3 Diplomatic tone (reading what you just posted) was from one post. Go back to how I cased Superbia and tell me that's diplomatic. In fact I would think #1 (your point on reading them opposite) contradicts the fact that I'm diplomatic. The post you quoted, I'm looking for followthrough from Tictock in case you couldn't tell.
4 The "don't feel obviously town" is about as bad as it gets as you could apply that to half the players in this game right now. That's a PoE argument best saved for late game.

Plus you were more interested in Stutters when you threw your vote on me. There are some flaws in your logic. Particularly #3.

Try again.


and this:

On May 05 2015 04:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 05:23 Tictock wrote:
Both Superbia and The Shining made some eyebrow raising early game plays, but they appear to be contributing now and I can easily see the early game stuff being sillyness or just attempts at pressure. No real reads on them.

I'm getting pretty strong town vibes from y0su, disformation, and ritoky. I really like disformation's attempts to poke and ask questions. y0su is my weakest read of these 3, but feels like a solid town.

Everyone else... well there simply isn't enough out of prplhz or sicklucker to really go off of. Not much to go off of Stutters695 either, another person who states he "doesn't do day 1" which is pretty meh but NAI.

Pretty much all I got for now.


Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
I left HtS out of my earlier reads due to just joining the thread. That was awhile ago and HtS did not provide much besides some suspicions against Superbia. Getting a scum read for now until there is something to show otherwise.

As for Superbia, I'm having a hard time getting a solid read now. I was getting a scum vibe from his play the first half of D1 here but he is looking more town here near the end of the day. I want to keep an eye on him but atm he doesn't seem like a good lynch.

prplhz is looking pretty scum to me right now too. He made one post with actual content and even that was mostly an excuse as to why he isn't posting.

Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either.

prp and HtS really need to contribute, SL and Stutters are also barely active & have contributed nothing solid thus far.


I am really curious to see what Tictock has to say on Superbia particularly on the exchange between him and Celestial if he has any input or even between that and Shining. Both disinformation and myself are also headscratching on him at the moment, and one of my issues with Superbia is that particular exchange. I realise he's partying hard (happy birthday btw!) but look forward to a response when he returns.


in terms of my 3rd point. you're actually pushing me on the points i made above, which is cool and i can get behind that. yet here you're curious and in passive voice and not actively seeking responses or answers, which i can't get behind and sounds mafia being diplomatic style.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:46 GMT
#711
So if you're saying I should be doing something other than catching up and giving the best scumreads I can with the content I have, I have no idea what you are trying to suggest, really.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 04 2015 20:47 GMT
#712
hts didn't feel like this at all in last game when she was attacked by rso (and partially also me). she also seems sort of mean and angry instead of being calm and down to earth, kind of like she's overcompensating for being called "too diplomatic". she's also completely misunderstanding my rather simple argument: hts is scumreading me for something without scumreading or even commenting on other people who did exactly the same thing and that is bad. doesn't matter if she is scumreading whoever for whatever, what she is saying is "player X, Y, Z did action A but only player Y is scum for it". doesn't matter if she is scumreading X and Z for whatever other things. why only blame me for not "getting the joke" when several other people didn't get it either? (and i realize it was a jokish post now, or at least it could be and i'm in no position to evaluate whether or not it was so i'm ignoring it)
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 20:47 GMT
#713
i am saying prior to votes being put on you i didn't feel you were pushing for answers or pushing the game in any particular direction. you just seemed content and giving fairly easy to make reads that had for the most part already been given by others.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:49 GMT
#714
Okay, so you have a problem with how I phrased it. Active voice versus passive voice is your argument for scumreading me.

I'll be completely honest here - I have never heard anyone in TL scumread someone for phrasing in active versus passive voice. That's a new one.

Regardless though, it's still not obvious to you that Tictock should be responding to that? It's still not obvious I'm looking for followthrough?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 04 2015 20:51 GMT
#715
I got a strong town read from the way HtS was pushing me when I was stuck misreading -c-'s play.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 20:51 GMT
#716
On May 05 2015 05:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Okay, so you have a problem with how I phrased it. Active voice versus passive voice is your argument for scumreading me.

I'll be completely honest here - I have never heard anyone in TL scumread someone for phrasing in active versus passive voice. That's a new one.

Regardless though, it's still not obvious to you that Tictock should be responding to that? It's still not obvious I'm looking for followthrough?


no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 20:56 GMT
#717
On May 05 2015 05:51 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 05:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Okay, so you have a problem with how I phrased it. Active voice versus passive voice is your argument for scumreading me.

I'll be completely honest here - I have never heard anyone in TL scumread someone for phrasing in active versus passive voice. That's a new one.

Regardless though, it's still not obvious to you that Tictock should be responding to that? It's still not obvious I'm looking for followthrough?


no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you.


You just answered your own question. I can't follow through because there's nothing yet to follow through on.

Also not sure where you lack confidence I wouldn't do it when I haven't been able to do the same for two other scumreads. There is no evidence either way in this game at least for you to draw that conclusion. *smacks head*

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
May 04 2015 21:00 GMT
#718
VOTE COUNT:


scott31337 (7) : -Celestial-, sicklucker, disformation, Half the Sky, y0su, FecalFeast, The Shining
Half the Sky (2) : Superbia (X), ritoky, prplhz
sicklucker (1) : The Shining (X), scott31337 (X), Superbia
-Celestial- (0) : Superbia (X)

Not voting (3) : scott31337, Stutters695, Tictock

The cycle will end at Monday, May 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), 2 hours from this post.
remain as you are reading this.

Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread.

Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched!

If you see any vote out of place, holler at the hosting team so that we can correct it.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
May 04 2015 21:02 GMT
#719
Sorry all - I have an inmportant meeting and I won't be around for deadline. I'm VT - and I hadn't played as well as I wanted to - but practice is good. A ML isn't bad for town if they get information from it.

I just glanced at the VCA and I'm going with my suspicion that disformation may be scum. He's in a third-trying to fit in vote - and then ritoky asked about it - among the seriousness of his smileys and defensiveness. If there's a cop I would check him.

If there's a doc you know NOT to claim and save the towniest guy in your opinion - Don't even claim if your save worked unless you have to.

I still think -c- is just on a straight tunnel of me and is town - but he really got the wagon rolling on me.

Just rethink the game afterwards, do a vote count analysis, and I think we will do okay.

I'll be on in about three hours If I'm still alive.

##Vote: Disformation
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 21:04 GMT
#720
On May 05 2015 05:47 prplhz wrote:
hts didn't feel like this at all in last game when she was attacked by rso (and partially also me). she also seems sort of mean and angry instead of being calm and down to earth, kind of like she's overcompensating for being called "too diplomatic". she's also completely misunderstanding my rather simple argument: hts is scumreading me for something without scumreading or even commenting on other people who did exactly the same thing and that is bad. doesn't matter if she is scumreading whoever for whatever, what she is saying is "player X, Y, Z did action A but only player Y is scum for it". doesn't matter if she is scumreading X and Z for whatever other things. why only blame me for not "getting the joke" when several other people didn't get it either? (and i realize it was a jokish post now, or at least it could be and i'm in no position to evaluate whether or not it was so i'm ignoring it)


*yawn*

Said the same thing to ritoky - I had that tone before he called me that. Someone's selectively reading.

Your second sentence is completely contradictory. You're saying my "mean and angry" tone is out of place (compared to last game since you knew I was town that game) instead of being calm and down to earth, then you use the word "overcompensating" as if I need to have a strong tone when being too diplomatic (in ritoky's words) is too scummy.

So which is it prplhz? I don't mind the scumread, but the manner in which you're presenting that first argument is quite baffling. Which is it? I'm scum for being mean and angry or I'm scum for being diplomatic. Can't have it both ways.

No I haven't commented on Fecalfeast yet because I haven't been able to look at him yet. I prioritised others over him.
You also still ignore the fact that prior to my last post I had a weak scumread on you.

And you didn't really respond to the issues regarding Celestial.
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