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Ok TS, your day 2 has picked up quite a bit. Glad to see you've gotten over w/e initial frustration you had D1.
The entire day you've been trying to stay active and I see lots of examples of you pushing on people to get better reads (like just now, on me for instance ^.^). In addition you are giving conclusions about people and actively trying to find not just a target for today but the whole team.
Overall I'm tempted to give you a full town read atm, but there's a couple things that still bug me as I look through your filter.
On May 05 2015 04:50 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 04:48 ritoky wrote:On May 05 2015 04:45 The Shining wrote:
Then maybe I'm in a tunnel. It doesn't matter. Super isn't getting lynched today and unless you or he pushes me, neither am I. This is the 2nd time in as many days I've been forced to defend/talk about Superbia and his scumread on me. Then you wonder why I'm "inconsistent" and giving effort reads to some, not others. i am just really confused about your alignment, you're a very complex null read for me and i am trying to push you to give responses so that i can get a more solid read on you. I almost always am before we get to D2 and I can actually do what I'm good at. Vote analysis, night reactions, association regarding first flip, etc. This is one of the main reasons I say I suck D1 and why I try not to play it. But there's no reason not to interact and at least put my reads into the thread.
You gave us this promise D1 to help excuse your inactivity. I'm waiting for you to deliver on that promise.
Then you post this N1.
On May 06 2015 07:12 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 14:56 The Shining wrote:
Oh we're doing pregame excuses?
I play at work. I don't work Mondays-Tuesdays. Assuming I survive that long, if my activity drops drastically from Sunday night to Tuesday night, it's NAI. Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for. Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me.
Why you were so sure you would be D2 lynch? After EoD you seemed to have fallen off peoples radar not to mention that HtS clearly has some pressure her way at that time, so why are you so worried about yourself still?
I also found where you mentioned ritoky's usage of "confirmed" + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 06:58 The Shining wrote:
Like Cel wasn't this aggressive as scum when we first played but it was his first game. And the list posts and WoTs were Cel's style, and it could be argued that Cel led us right into the Scott ML.
I'm not scumming Cel here but the spear head now on Prpl(wouldn't a newbie town be a little hesitant to push so Damn hard after that Scott ml?) Is enough to make me not strong town read him anymore. Definitely not enough to call someone confirmed town.
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TS, yea I'm saying the ritoky has fallen into the scum zone on my reads. I'm still reading some red into y0su as well but ritoky has taken his spotlit for sure.
Prp needs to do something. Plain and simple. Idk why everyone is letting him sit there posting absolutely nothing of value all game. I mean...
On May 07 2015 07:28 prplhz wrote:
hey guys i'm reading up now anything i should pay attention to?
On May 07 2015 07:32 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 03:00 ritoky wrote:
prp is a role or mafia, take that 1 to the bank. had that read since like his 3rd or 4th post. waiting on his claim. what the fuck is this even
This is his ONLY 2 posts in the past ~30 hours. He has to be the scummiest of scum here or just the worst town in history. Either way I will enjoy seeing him gone.
So yes I'd say the current scum team to my eye is most likely prp, SL, and ritoky. y0su is still leaning red, but at least he's given us a full set of reads now. Though tbh I need to re-read his reads as they looked a little flimsy to me first go around.
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I'll read read Dis here in a bit and see what his beef is with you TS. I'm going to take a little break though and do something else for ~hour before i get into that.
Also, just in case, no the idea of prp being terrible town is not valid. Even a terrible town would at least be making some effort to read, not ask the thread what going on all the time.
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Humm, I understand that there is 3 scum and 8 town, but why do I keep seeing the implication that my reads need to reflect EXACTLY that? Ok, clearly to win the game town needs to identify all scum, but whats so bad about saying "I only see these 2 as scum." ?
As I see it town should be trying to give everyone their full and honest reads at any given moment. So if I read through a game and at that moment see 5 people looking scummy and say as such, how does that that fact in of itself give you any read? I could legit be town seeing 5 scummy players, or I could me mafia trying to spread distrust anywhere I can.
Maybe not something I should ask in game, but it's been used as pressure more than once and I don't get it.
Anyway my point here is that you are putting words in my mouth TS. I said y0su (who has been on my scum list) is not out of suspicion (leaning red) but has given reads so I'm ok letting him off the hook for now. At least until I re-read his reads. (here I'll even show you again what I said, + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 16:14 Tictock wrote:
So yes I'd say the current scum team to my eye is most likely prp, SL, and ritoky. y0su is still leaning red, but at least he's given us a full set of reads now. Though tbh I need to re-read his reads as they looked a little flimsy to me first go around.
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That's twice now that you've misread/interpreted my posts, I'm hoping your not trying too hard to find what you want to find
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#talkingtomyself
The disformation read I promised. (full filter read, idk kus I felt like it)
Going a bit beyond a read and being brutally honest. He's a newbie here but I think has some at least some prior experience to the game ( He says he's read older newbie games, so that might be it).
He opens the game with a fairly casual post, he's friendly and being a character with the  's.
After that he gets into the game in a pretty strong fashion. He is clearly engaged and reading the thread + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 09:59 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:52 ritoky wrote:
has there been sum shit so far? i str8 didn't read nuffin. There was a short discussion about HTS starting to play tomorrow. Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:On May 03 2015 09:28 The Shining wrote:
He did ask if you were the obs dude, as well.
As for HTS, I'm slightly hesitant there. That's pure policy to me. It's late for her and it's the weekend. She said she'd pick it up tomorrow. Rofl. Where did she say that? Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:35 The Shining wrote:On May 01 2015 14:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Inactive Sunday (or first half of D1, since I'm out at a shower) but normal activity will resume Sunday night into Monday morning. You guys need to freaking read if you're gonna keep trying to scum EVERYTHING I POST. ffs. Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:42 Superbia wrote:On May 03 2015 09:40 The Shining wrote:
Nah but now I know you're not reading. Thanks for that.
"It's not in her filter."
I want to believe you just thought you caught something but the lie hurts. You're just trying to throw scum on me. Red flag.
Scott actually looks worse for posting a pointless ut oh, as opposed to checking HtS filter himself to see if you were even being truthful. Ya except that trying to play around such an easy argument is pointless. So no. Fact is that I missed it, alas. I was scanning for Saturday night, not Sunday. And so on... Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:54 ritoky wrote:
i randomly clicked to a page, and there was a disformation guy or girl....w8 no girls on internet, must be guy. anywayz dat dude was liek full of smileyz and shit everywhere. i don't like people who spam emoticons. top scum read. And yes I am the guy with all dem smilies. Would you like to have some more? You seem kinda upset about it for some reason? On May 03 2015 10:25 disformation wrote:Okay, here we go: Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:02 Superbia wrote:I don't really want to give away what I'm paying attention to at this point in time, for obvious reasons. You should have a coach you can ask. It's not optimal to ask actual playing players.  To be honest, asking me (and others) is kinda making me read you mafia (as I kinda expect you to know you have a coach). At first I was greatly confused why asking questions == mafia in this post. But I guess I kinda asked what behaviour people are looking for, which could also benefit mafia I guess. Still kinda confused about this. Maybe he could explain that to me? Part of the HTS discussion. At first a lack of attention was suspected, but it kinda cleared up into a nullish thing. Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D This raised some red flags for me. Sure he may want to read more stuff from other people to get more reads on them. Or to look who might follow this up... still really suspicious to me. So yeah, overall I have a slight scum leaning towards him. On May 03 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:Good morning everyone. Some stuff I am wondering: Stutters695 : You were around for a bit, but my list on you is empty and your filter is really short. Give us something more to work with? How bad do you think scott looks now? Any idea of who you would lynch as of now? Scum reads? ritoky : Your two pushes so far were towards me were easy pushes on me and y0su, both of which are newbies. Coincidence or looking for easy misslynches? You also seem to be defensive about superbia. Scum mate of yours? sicklucker : For not wanting to play d1, you seem to be around a bit. Changed your mind a bit, or is it more in the vain of your d1 reads being bad anyway? Not sure what your spamy stuff is supposed to be though. Kinda confused tbh. If that was what you were aiming for: congrats.
Overall pretty impressive town play for a newcomer imo.
However after his opening ~24 hours I think he finds himself in a place where he doesn't know what to make of what info he's gotten. + Show Spoiler +On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:Scott : Still not looking good to me. Probably the one I would vote for if I had to right now. The Shining: Really short filter, at the time of writing that I will reread him (see aboive), there was not much to go on so he was boring null. Though I did like that he at least tried to put out some reads, even if he said that his d1 stuff isn't that great. Starts to look like a really frustrated towny as of this night. IE with: Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Deal with it. I've been mislynched as town to lose games before. Its a crappy feeling. So I don't take kindly at all to being scummed or told you'd lynch me. Especially when you're not actually doing it. I'm probably more defensive as town than scum, oh well. Its your job to figure it out, not mine.
And D1 is a crap shoot for me. I'm sick of saying this. So yeah my most defensive stances and strongest scumreads are people who are saying they want to lynch me over absolutely nothing, when I know my alignment, and then put an lol before or after it to take away a bit of the seriousness, and then don't actually vote me or push me. Its a waste of time and detrimental to town moving forward. Makes me want to not lynch him today. Superbia : Was getting a lot of mixed feelings early on from him. Didn't like: Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D And it feels strange that he didn't want to vote scott, who (surprise) is my highest scum read so far. Maybe I also just didn't like him, because he was one of the guys to point out that my entry was crap and I didn't understand why at first. But I really like his push towards me. Shows he really pays attention, points things out and is not afraid of doing pushes. Looking damn towny for me as of right now. A shame he won't be around today.  prplhz : I look at his filter and see nothing. I can easily picture him sitting in mafia QT and munching popcorn, since everyone seems to have forgotten about him. HtS : I've read student mafia vii http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii were I thought she was playing good (town). What I have seen here so far really didn't life up to my expectations. Not sure if really lazy mafia or really lazy town though. Hoping to see some good stuff from her today. sicklucker : Didn't like how he said he wouldn't be playing, but was in the thread being a bit distracting. Liking that he is now trying to participate and putting out thoughts. Still a bit suspicious but wouldn't lynch as of now. -celestial- : reading town here. Liked the persistent push on scott. Also really liked this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=505&topic_id=483492because my reads where really similar at the time when it was posted. Stutters : See prplhz. ticktoc : not sure what to make of him as of right now. will read his filter this evening. FF : His tone is ultra town to me. A bit spamy. Will maybe have to reread him and look out for contributions, as per the line of ticktoc's thinking. rikoty && y0su : still leaning town, will look at them more and see what they have done lately. geez so many ppl to keep track on. xD I hope this post gives you some insight as to how my "thought" process is working. I will try to keep you updated more about changes in my reads in the future. Did some bad/stupid things so far and can totally see why you would read me as a newbie/bad scum instead of a newbie/bad town. Will have to step up my game it seems. Good thing I have lots of room for improvement. xD
Still dis keeps up his same style of play after his weakish reads. He's constantly responding to people and updating his reads based on what he's seeing, all the time telling us what he's thinking. + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red. Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase. Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:
I know you are new to the game, but someone making a scumread on someone early in the day and then pushing him throughout the day is considered a town tell across the board because it shows the person pushing the case believes in the case and he's not just faking it for survivability's sake.
If you think the reasoning behind the case is faulty (do you?) then that's another issue.
Regarding ritoky (and others) - as I said with sicklucker it's very possible to have a very poor entrance and then pick it up later on. Some people are good at spotting mafia off the first post, particularly the established players like marvellosity/Holyflare/JAT but this is a newbie game, so the calibre isn't expected to be the same.
Do you think ritoky looks bad from subsequent posts? I really like this post because HtS both gives advice and at the same time tries to draw more information from him and be more exact with his reads. Starting to lean town on HtS. Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:47 y0su wrote:reg ritoky's subsequent posts... He starts loopy, get's straight but then it reverts a bit when ff brings it up On May 03 2015 11:00 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 10:57 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 03 2015 10:52 ritoky wrote:
poopfeast420, what is your level of loathing of me? you have the pinkish hue of scumlean. Call me an ass but I think your 'loopiness' may be caused by rolling mafia too many times in a short period, rather than a flight oof, you have bad reads m8, u scum? He then posts in a normally but without much for me to get a read from. His T reads didn't have much to them except "they agreed with me". He's very dismissive of "poor reads" on him.. but I can't his comfort (not being defensive) comes from practice or being T. overall I just don't like his tone (but this is probably just personal and NAI) Also regarding ritoky: He also appears very eager to place himself next to the person nearly everyone has a townboner for (FF) and someone who just did a huge push and is very easy to town as well. "Look how towny my nick looks in green." Also just remembered that Superbia was asking The Shining about the links to his other games: Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 06:51 The Shining wrote:On May 04 2015 01:58 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. I like shining as scum too. I'm undecided on scott. I had him as town early on. I'm decently sure -c- is town here as well. Undecided on prp, but I liked his initial thoughts. Also agreed on FF being town. You never rescinded so ya, it was another time throwing scum after the HtS "slip". And sure, though they're all Newbie/Student games, and can be found with a little effort. Town/Blue games: Newbie Mini Mafia LXNewbie Mini Mafia LXINewbie Student Mafia VIIINewbie Student Mafia VIINewbie Student Mafia VIMy lone scum game: Student Mafia V Was looking if Superbia mentioned these games in his list post entry of the shining and yes he did: Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:
The Shining - Meh. I've said stuff about him before which kinda holds. His aggressiveness towards me feels kinda townish, as I don't really expect mafia to be aggro towards me (big ego), but they still might. His filter content wise feels very similar to his town filters, but he seems very bitter and sardonic this game, while in his other town games he is decently jokey and relaxed. Bitterness is a mafia tell. I am hesitant because this purely comes from his interactions with me. So that is one townie brownie for superbia. Still suspicious of him though. And before I forget again:
This I'm adding both because it's showing that Dis is looking at the game from multiple view-points but also because he correctly "reconstructed" my train of thought here + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 02:20 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:looked @ ticktock's filter: On May 04 2015 19:40 Tictock wrote:
I'm having a hard time deciding who I want to vote for as well.
Scott is still the most appealing case, even though I have some doubts.
I'm tempted to make a case against prp but there just isn't enough to go on. I just don't like his dismissive post regarding how he "spams town" normally and says he isn't around. If he is legit too busy to play a town would likely replace, this seems more like a scum excuse to skate by day 1.
Unfortunately that's all I have as prp, as well as several other ppl, just aren't active enough to make real reads on.
this post strikes me as odd...he is having a hard time deciding who to vote for, yet he thinks 1 guy is scum and the other guy is inactive and that's his two top scum reads? seems like not a hard decision there. i don't really understand where his hesitancy is coming from here. Hmm. He posted: Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either. A bit earlier. So I reconstruct his train of thought as follows: 1. scott looked really bad 2. he starts to look better now 3. well, he still looks the worst, but I am having some doubts because he was starting to look better for a while Since he is a fellow newbie he might not be confident in his reads at all? Maybe he is not confident with bussing his teammate? But his filter is also really short. Granted he has gained some attention for questioning the general town read on FF... but he really needs to give us more to work with. Could see him swinging either way right now. =/
Dis's EoD is a little off, I think he got thrown by scott voting on him (which was a very odd move by scott). He starts by offering his own reasoning as to why he wants to vote scott + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 07:19 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:09 Superbia wrote:
Thoughts. Right now. Why are people voting scott? What are everyone's thoughts on HtS? Main reason I am on the scott train: Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 00:43 disformation wrote:As what I really disliked: When -c- confronted him about posting misinformation he first is really aggressive: On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:
So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh?
And then after he notices that -c- has a solid point on him he suddenly becomes ultra defensive: On May 03 2015 12:31 scott31337 wrote:You are right - I did not check it until afterwards. I did not re-read the pre-game excuses until afterwards. That was my fault. I got better backing when I roll scum anyway - I wouldn't have made such a dumb mistake. We have plenty of time - we will have convincing arguments for you a) That switch puts me off really hard. b) That is a "too scum to be scum, please?" argument, which I am not buying at that point. + I read the case from -c- three times and I found it to be rock solid. HtS: Leaning town on HtS. So she has probably pocketed me already. =p But I thought she was trying hard to make up lost time today. Also a lot of the reads prplhz and rikoty towards her are tone or meta reads that may simply do not function given she didn't have enough time. I'd say to give her at least one day, to see if she will really put out some great reads. Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 05:51 ritoky wrote:
no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you. Like. I don't even know what this is supposed to be.
Dis posts little N1 and he seems shaken early D2. I think the flip on scott maybe shook the confidence he was showing D1? His posting feels a little weak early D2 given what was there D1, but it's a mixed bag and he picks back up as the day goes on.
Overall he's total town.
As for his vote on TS, I think it's not that hard to see...
On May 05 2015 23:21 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 22:58 Half the Sky wrote:
I respond to Shining 7m after he asks that and there's nothing else from him, there's a potential he lurks as ritoky actively leads the push. Generally speaking it's a scum tell to sit in the background like that.
That last post (that disinformation quoted) was his last post and it was 3h before EoD. Ugh. Reread the filters and looked at the timestamps. You are correct. *sigh* time to take away a bunch of townie brownies from the shining. Why is this game so hard? xD
On May 07 2015 00:29 disformation wrote:After looking at some filters. Really don't like prplhz. Willing to vote, not going to do so right this moment, because I am still confused as to where I put some other ppl. Read as: looking very scummy, but I am not 100% if one of my other suspects looks scummier. Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 07:12 The Shining wrote:
Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for.
Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me. Yep, expecting to something good from you D2. You've had a few towny posts D1, but by now you could be easily be a scum lurker.
On May 07 2015 02:32 disformation wrote:
Still super waffly about Superbia. Looking forward to his answers hoping they push me in the one or other direction.
Didn't like sicklucker before, starting to see him more as a towny as of now.
Still don't like The Shining and prplhz at all. Willing to vote for both of them. Since there is already pressure on prplhz...
The Shining: Convice me you are towny and your D2 is as good as claimed. Make me remove my vote on you. Go!
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Oops hit post a tad early.
TS you joined the discussion today here + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 05:36 The Shining wrote:
Hell of a lot to read. Not used to a game that has multiple large post posters. Looking at you, Cel/HtS.
My thoughts are super scrambled and I'm not quoting anything because I'm on mobile and can't get on my tablet but I'm here and will be here the rest of the day.
So pretty much everyone wants to see more from me or pressure me or vote me. D1, it annoyed me. Today, I can understand it.
Prpl needs to show up. I've felt he could be scum(like everyone else who took my entrance srsly) and he hasn't done anything since. I couldn't have summarized Prpl better than Cel did if I tried.
HtS is very slightly town. The analysis and pushes from her continue to get better as time goes on. Not shying away from her points, putting all thoughts in the thread. I think you asked me what the significance was when I asked you about Dis and you including him. As scum(& you've beat me before as scum, which), I know you're more than capable of convincing town you're one of us, which is why you're not strong town here. And it looked to me like you were trying to pocket a townDis by showing him you were mindmelding.
Reading up to now, I don't see that being the case.
I'm at work so I'll just be throwing reads into the thread as I keep reading, I'm filter diving today. If I missed your question or concern, it's probably better to quote it since I just read 200+ posts or wait until I get to your filter. Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 06:26 disformation wrote:On May 07 2015 06:13 Half the Sky wrote:On May 07 2015 05:46 disformation wrote:On May 07 2015 05:23 Half the Sky wrote:
You're also finding it hard to read Superbia I see. What do you also think of him with his responses to me? Well. First impression... to quote the late FF "He is an angry face". He seems angry and dismissive of most of your points, which I don't like. At all. But the points he makes in the beginning in regard to his playstyle probably explain why I can't read this guy at all and am not very fond of him. So his tone screams scum at me. But I guess it can be a really good playstyle for finding mafia. He is super scary.At least he dropped defending prplhz now... Currently thinking a bit in the lines of: On May 07 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay? As in: He is suspicious at hell. But I don't really want to lynch him right now. I still dislike The Shining and prplhz more and have other ppl coasting around at the boarders of null. You're scumreading Superbia based on tone and the "fucking favour" quote. But you are saying his playstyle is good for finding mafia. How do you think he's using that playstyle? Nono. Was mostly talking about this post (should have been clearer, sry): On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote:On May 07 2015 01:45 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker and Celestial - evaluate Superbia's behaviour INDEPENDENT of meta (or in this case his RB claim).
There are town and mafia motivations for claiming RB.
My contention is that his behaviour in this game there is a mafia agenda. To sum up my arguments.
1 Loaded questions - both to myself and Stutters - generally unproductive
2 Misdirection plays
3 The quote where he talks in absolutes where he's basically asking to dismiss him as a scum candidate
4 The DT claim request - DT claims this early in the day destroy the day
5 Behaviour EoD 1 was a "toys out the pram" approach to getting me lynched and his read progression was lacking with OMGUS in there
6 Post lynch he has ZERO focus on me and goes off on Stutters
And finally the meta - I am not meta reading it but the above looks very bad, I don't care that he's active because activity alone does not guarantee he's pure. I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh. 1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset. 2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset? 3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play. 4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies. 5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now. 6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today. Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me. Were he is aggressive and dismissive of your style in contrast to being calm and stuff. Which I don't like. So I read his tone as scum. But it is possible that I don't agree with his playstyle which he describes in this post. But I can also see how this playstyle can be town motivated. As in "I am going to annoy those mafia guys until do something stupid". And he is actively and aggressively engaging people, which would fit that train of thought. Though I think he is engaging the wrong people... But I can't be sure that he is not being mafia and tries to get people to make mistakes so he can get a misslynch going. I was quoting the "fucking flavour" thing to show what I am currently thinking. As in: I am highly suspicious of the guy, but I don't think we should lynch today. On the other hand he would be like my third or fourth pick right now... so I guess I am leaning scum on him. I probably have to rethink and reread everything tomorrow, again. *sigh* xD And yes I know that I come across as an indecisive piece of crap. Sry, Town for making this game way harder than it already is. xD
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EBWOP: No idea what formatting hell happened last post or why the timestamps are all messed up.
Lets try this. TS starts posting here and Dis goes away here.
So I make of this he didn't get a chance to start reading you in that hour and post anything about it. Wth was that question?
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I probably should already be in bed so that I have time before work and EoD to check in, but I felt I'd be doing y0su a disservice to not at least re-read his reads at the start of D2.
Reference: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote: -Celestial- I see why my filter looks so poor, I've been too worried about being wrong. There's clear thoughts and direction in almost every post. I have no idea why/how he survived the night! Tictock He's also one of the few people that expressed hesitation to jump on the "easy" train. I felt the same as d1 rookie town. I believe the way he voted was just a rookie mistake. disformation is it supposed to be dis INformation? (that's not a read on him, just curious if people have been writing his name like that on purpose?) His smiles bug me - they make me feel like he's trying to win favor. Trying to sound friendly and helpful. However, a few of his posts have well explained thought processes and I'll chalk up his indecision on learning - for now. ritoky + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:
IMAGINE THIS: YOURE GOING TO GET LYNCHED ALMOST 100%? AND HTS IS THE OTHER WAGON. AS MAFIA SCOTT, DO YOU A) PUSH ON HTS OR B) GO ON SOMEONE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
gluck, hope you guys chose right. at least we got some 2ndary wagon info. This post would have changed my vote. I'll be making every effort to be active every EoD. The Shining giving him red on tone. Very willing to reconsider if/when we get d2 stuff he's promised. Half the Sky beyond "holding my hand" - for which she got T (as it seems very town beneficial) - her posts show a lot of effort and supported conclusions. Sorry, having trouble keeping my eyes open... I'll get back with super, prp, sl and stutters (but the last 3 at least need to step up a bit) On May 07 2015 04:35 y0su wrote:Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday. His EoD comes off as either just super rushed or trying to create confusion. His posts read like he doesn't have any aim but to get people to vote HtS in a hurry. His posts have a lot of pressure (am I using that right?) to get answers but any conclusions he keeps to himself. He also does a 180 on HtS (based on her meta - not that he survived the night) but keeps his (unexplained) pressure on dis (although as a 3rd wagon). I like is desire for multiple trains but that seems NAI *I haven't had a chance to read his latest - HtS wanted some EoD analysis* Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them. prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler +you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol). I've been waiting for some d2 content from him... all I see is statistical claims. (one of my favorite quotes of all times is "figures don't lie, but liars do the figuring"). Since then, I've always been a skeptic and need some proof(s). "75% of statistics are made up" Stutters695 another "no d1" case... but picking up a bit more now. His posts seem to have direction but it's all at prp without much more than meta. So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read. Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red)
The first posting of reads is super weak. Actually including Dis's smiles as a serious read? Giving ritoky a full pass for literally one post? I'm not even sure I like how easy he gives me a town read. Especially since he posted that after we had been chatting a bit. Could have easily pressured me a little since he knew he would be posting a read about me shortly.
His second set of reads are better. I think I most like his read on Super, feels like he's given the most thought to super (I disagree with the read, but I see thought put into it). The rest of his reads are so close to mine that I fear bias will ruin any attempt at proper analysis.
The rest of the day (so far) y0su looks like he did D1, kinda all over the place. He's a little more active but still lacks any solid conclusions in any followup posts to the ones I quoted above. He is putting on more pressure, asking more questions than D1. Overall, he's improving.
y0su I'm seeing glimmers of green in your play. But y0su, at this point what do your reads (especially scum reads) look like? The votes look scattered as we near EoD. Who do you think is the best target for today?
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I'm up way to late, and will unfortunately be working during EoD. I'll make sure to wake up with at least an hour or two before I have to head off to work and see where we are at.
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On May 08 2015 02:49 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 01:24 disformation wrote:Me being fairly active and getting attention with my smilies was my plan to make it harder for mafia to guess that I am a blue. And I was ridiculed for noticing
More so for trying to read an alignment from it. IMO it's pretty much NAI. Town or Mafia wanting to look more friendly uses extra smiles to establish a happy demeanor. Or it's just straight how Dis likes to post and is representative of his personality. That's why I called you out for it, kus it was half your basis for your Dis read.
Anyways, Thank God you CC'd Dis. I would have been dismayed if prp got away with that claim un-countered. And prp, wth man this is just sad...
On May 08 2015 02:24 prplhz wrote:
oh god dammit sorry guys
i'm not DOC i'm COP
dunno how my fingers managed to mess that up
anyway, i'm cop
You post nothing all game, then expect us to believe that the most important post from you is a typo pressuring a 2nd blue claim? No, not happening, your done.
I can't imagine anyone falls for this, but holy scum move batman! Like this is downright sinister in a newbie game trying to catch a blue who isn't familiar with Claiming and CC and getting info on 2 blues for one scum.
So thank you for your sacrifice Dis. This game suddenly feels like it's on the right track thanks to that information.
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So if the consensis if pretty firmly on prp for D2 lynch then are we talking about who Vig (if we have one) should target tonight?
I have some opinions on that, but I think I should reread a few people given these doc claims.
ritoky not gaining any points in my book, his D2 hasn't impressed me whatsoever. I'm also not liking ritoky's statements like "prp is mafia or blue, waiting for his claim" it feels like he was setting up for this EoD play. Idk feels like WIFOM territory if I read that too hard. We can sort him out later.
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Btw, I've got about an hour before I need to get ready for work. In case anyone is around.
If not, you bet I'll be reading how EoD goes during my breaks.
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Yea I totally agree. I was using pretty weak wording there wasn't I?
I keep wanting to dig into the logic behind a scum prp trying to draw out a newbie cop. Thus confirming we are in setup A. But then I end up in WIFOM territory wondering, maybe scum prp wants to throw any disinformation he can. Idk the latter seems unlikely, but I wont pursue that line of thought until after the flip.
Dis is absolutely D3 target in the unlikely world prp flips anything but red.
In the near future, when prp does flip red, I have SL as the top of my list of scum. His D1 was poor and his D2 was (now confirmed wasted) thought given a scenario where we have a veteran and that makes some 75% scrum chance on Super the best play he has.
Super for me is still leaning town. His play continues to be all over the place and is hard to follow. I'm still finding more town motivations in his posts than scum motivations, I believe he wants to solve the game. I'll give a better read on him again in the next day or so with proper quotes and such.
Stutters play has picked up since D1, but not by a lot. I'm leaning town on him, but would very much like to finally see a solid case about someone from Super (which he seems to have about stutters, link).
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-c- I'm sure you looking into it more than I have at this point. Where do you stand with Stutters and Super at this point?
Anything more on stutters since you noticed his "backup" on Dis?
Personally I didn't take much from that, there were a few people thrown by Dis' EoD play. IMO it just looks off becuase he was confused by scotts vote on him.
I also find some humor in the fact that both our lynch's have thrown their votes on Dis. I realize for prp it's auto given the CC.
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EBWOP:
On May 08 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
Personally I didn't take much from that, there were a few people thrown by Dis' EoD play. IMO it just looks off becuase he was confused by scotts vote on him.
Referring to Stutters comment about Dis.
On May 08 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
Personally I didn't take much from that, there were a few people thrown by Dis' EoD play. IMO it just looks off becuase he was confused by scotts vote on him.
Referring to Dis' EoD play.
Just wasn't clear, didn't want people to misunderstand what I was talking about.
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So glad prp flipped as RB, that is a sweet catch for town with both our blues up.
If I were Vig I would probably shoot SL personally. He's not even bothing to read the thread before telling blues what to do.
I kinda want to comment on more stuff but I'm on mobile while still at work so will have to wait a few more hours.
Just glad to see Town looking to be on top of this game now.
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SL said himself
On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote:
oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia.
50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this
His math is that good guys, he doesn't need to read the thread or talk to people. Maths will save town!
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So this EoD has been pretty interesting given all this Claim -> CC stuff going on.
We have prp trying to save his own butt.
On May 08 2015 00:53 prplhz wrote:
wont be back until sometimes before deadline
i'm doc btw
On May 08 2015 02:24 prplhz wrote:
oh god dammit sorry guys
i'm not DOC i'm COP
dunno how my fingers managed to mess that up
anyway, i'm cop
On May 08 2015 06:48 prplhz wrote:
can't believe it's 2015 and people are voting for uncc'd blue
Dis countering that claim, and claiming doc.
On May 08 2015 01:24 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 01:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Will the real doc or vet please stand up? Was thinking this trough for a bit. Also wanted to wait for reactions for a bit. Like in Team Fortress 2 and Metal Gear Solid: Revengeance the only german guy on the cast is Ze Doktor. Wondered why I get defensive so easily when called scum and didn't react to easy town reads? Well, I was scared of being misslynched. To reiterate: I am Docor. prphlz is dead scum.
and ritoky doing...this?
On May 08 2015 08:13 ritoky wrote:
thanks for claiming my role for me disform, you don't have to cover for me any more; it was pretty obvious i was trying to bait prp into claiming my role with the role or mafia read so i could cc him. you don't gotta keep it up anymore.
On May 08 2015 08:24 ritoky wrote:
dis was just covering for me
On May 08 2015 08:44 ritoky wrote:what, i was obviously trying to bait him into claiming and prepared to cc: Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 03:00 ritoky wrote:
prp is a role or mafia, take that 1 to the bank. had that read since like his 3rd or 4th post. waiting on his claim. Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 06:42 ritoky wrote:
unless prp comes in and claims a role and doesn't get cc'd. then i have to reconsider. i mean..i am probably lynching him unless he claims/ i am glad someone cc'd for me, but i mean i think i have been too obvious up until now so letting disform die for me is a waste
And last but not least, SuperVig.
On May 06 2015 08:01 Superbia wrote:
Roleblocked. No idea why.
On May 08 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Good. I'm the vigi and I'm going to shoot.
On May 08 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Fucking n1 roleblock.
I'm just...I ... don't even right now.
Posting this for reference of the claims out there right now. I'll revisit when I've eaten and had time to think.
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On May 08 2015 15:44 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:55 Tictock wrote:SL said himself On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote:
oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia.
50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this His math is that good guys, he doesn't need to read the thread or talk to people. Maths will save town! just because he was the 25% does not mean my estimate was wrong in the slightest.
Ah so Super confirmed town then?
So who do you think should be D3 lynch then SL?
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