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On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red. Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase.
scott's grand total contribution so far is to mindlessly accept Superbia's claim that HtS hadn't said anything in-thread about being away, jumping on sicklucker as a different lurker and then rapidly backpedalling on that when sicklucker actually came into the thread, townreading or neutral reading everyone and effectively OMGUSing me for calling him out as a mafia, lying in order to do so, before rapidly backtracking on the accusation and then trying to townread me because everyone else is doing it.
At the present he's not scumming anyone at all as far as I can tell. His last set of reads were Superbia and FF as town, Shining and y0su and me null leaning town, Ticktock null, you null leaning scum, sicklucker scum and everyone else null from lack of posts. But he rapidly backpedalled on that sicklucker accusation and vote, thus leaving his strongest negative read being you as null leaning scum which means he's just sitting in the middle ground and playing the game of "everyone is null or town, isn't that nice?" which is a gigantic red flag to me, especially since he doesn't seem to be pressuring anyone at all to actually get a scum read off anyone. If he's town he's not contributing anything worthwhile. But I severely doubt he's anything other than scum.
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On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:Also regarding ritoky: He also appears very eager to place himself next to the person nearly everyone has a townboner for (FF) and someone who just did a huge push and is very easy to town as well. "Look how towny my nick looks in green."
On a side note if FF turns out to be mafia I might just cry. X-D
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On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote:
So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho
If scott doesn't flip scum I'm seriously going to have to rethink everything. If scott is scum it doesn't 100% make Superbia scum but it increases the likelihood to a threshold that he's going to easily be my top Day 2 lynch.
But at this point I'm about 95% certain scott can't be anything other than scum. The more I look over his posts the worse he comes off.
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On May 05 2015 01:03 Half the Sky wrote:
Now to be fair, I can't tell if he's saying that ritoky or Superbia is "confirmed" mafia. I think he means Superbia here.
For clarity's sake: I was stating that Superbia was the one who was very, very strongly mafia at that point. I was exaggerating a bit to see what his response was, but he's basically second in line behind scott for the chopping block so far as I'm concerned.
On May 05 2015 01:03 disformation wrote:
4. Well, if there was anything strange with that post I would be that part. Let us see if -c- has anything to say on that?
I don't quite get what you're asking here. Please ask a direct question with a quote and I'll answer.
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Look, HtS should be an easy read later in the game. I know from the last game on the mafia side she tends to drink shots when things are going well for her side. So if things start going badly for town and HtS appears to be increasingly drunk we just lynch her then. 
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Stutters CLAIMS that he doesn't really do day 1. Given that we have a couple of high potential lynch targets already I'm okay with not lynching him day 1 for that but I'm expecting huge things for day 2 as a result.
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Superbia was kinda defending him a bit before. But since scott seems to have even lost interest in defending HIMSELF...eh...
I can understand wanting a second target though.
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I'm not actually expecting anyone to defend scott at this point either as either alignment honestly.
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On May 05 2015 04:24 The Shining wrote:
As for Scott, I agree with the points made against him. And if it were any other player, I'd be worried about no one defending him but if he is in fact scum, it would mean he rolled scum every game he's played here. I could understand the lack of defense, lack of posting, possible lack of motivation as someone who is tired of rolling scum as a newbie.
To be honest assuming he does flip scum I kinda feel bad for the guy. Its got to absolutely suck to roll it all the time. Just mentally exhausting. :-\
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On May 05 2015 06:02 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry all - I have an inmportant meeting and I won't be around for deadline. I'm VT - and I hadn't played as well as I wanted to - but practice is good. A ML isn't bad for town if they get information from it.
I just glanced at the VCA and I'm going with my suspicion that disformation may be scum. He's in a third-trying to fit in vote - and then ritoky asked about it - among the seriousness of his smileys and defensiveness. If there's a cop I would check him.
If there's a doc you know NOT to claim and save the towniest guy in your opinion - Don't even claim if your save worked unless you have to.
I still think -c- is just on a straight tunnel of me and is town - but he really got the wagon rolling on me.
Just rethink the game afterwards, do a vote count analysis, and I think we will do okay.
I'll be on in about three hours If I'm still alive.
##Vote: Disformation
See this post is literally the towniest post you've put up so far. But you've not been around literally all day pretty much so you've had no time whatsoever to build up any credibility. Okay you probably wouldn't move me but there's a ton of people voting for you off the back of the fact that I think its the only push going on. Based on everything so far I'm pretty much dead certain you're scum, but if you're town just... -_-
The only thing that makes me really uncomfortable is that this is the ONLY train going. Either way I damn well hope I'm right here. :-\
On May 05 2015 06:33 Stutters695 wrote:
##vote: Scott31337
Just in case I'm not here closer to the deadline.
You got to post in the thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484531-newbie-student-mafia-ix-voting-thread?page=2
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On May 05 2015 07:09 Superbia wrote:
Thoughts. Right now. Why are people voting scott? What are everyone's thoughts on HtS?
Already posted tons in scott including the complete case on him so...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=30#584
HtS? Eh...give me a sec to look over her filter, I'll write up thoughts as they come to me:
Wasn't about early on but had reasons for it. I like her read on you but that's probably because I'm also highly suspicious of you.
Disagree with the excuses made for Stutters. I really, really dislike the whole "I don't do day 1" thing and honestly if it weren't for the fact that there seems to be better lynches I'd be all for a lynch on one of those avoiding saying anything for that reason alone. Meta arguments in defence of prplhz I don't like much either. Again its making excuses for someone who (up to that point at least) had done bugger all.
Obviously like the reads on myself and scott because I know I'm town and I rate scott as the scummiest person here. Also picked up on something I missed with scott. However I kinda feel its very easy to call both of them. Although it sounds rather egocentrical I think I'm a relatively safe person to town at this point (although not as easy as FF) and scott is, by far, the easiest person to point a finger at.
More things about you. I'm not sure how much of this is alignment indicative because I've had much the same thoughts. Just case-building it looks like.
First full set of reads, agree on some. Disagree strongly on ritoky.
Pressure on sicklucker, that's kinda townie.
Picking a fight up with y0su. Although I'm obviously inclined at first to just take this at face value since its kinda in defence of me I'll look a bit deeper. Is picking at things that y0su said that don't seem to work and trying to coax more information out. I don't really have a problem with that.
Probing ritoky about prp. Seems reasonable. Again I disagree with her analysis of ritoky but I think some of it is based on meta so I can't argue on that having not played with ritoky before.
More stuff with y0su. I'm really not sure how alignment indicative any of that is. Speaking cynically and objectively I'd say there's a tentative link between myself and HtS there. But since I know I'm town that can't be it. Probably a holdover from the fact she knows how I play having been on the scumteam together last game.
By the time of the "Alright, if you were a vet I'd be throwing you in the scum pile," comment I agree that I also feel HtS should be reaching more of a conclusion on y0su by now. On the other hand much of it appears to be trying to teach some things to him so that makes it more difficult.
I got a bit lost over the whole "dumping the blame" argument honestly. I can't make any sense of it looking at it again now either.
She starts picking a bit at prplhz. Is worrying away at little problems.
Engaging ritoky head on over his comments.
Okay, overall...fairly townie BUT seems to be taking quite an easy route of it. She's doing some of her own work rather than just sheeping but most of it is largely uncontroversial. Its typically just a continuation of what other people have said rather than anything hugely bold; although she does bring up a few fresh new points. I'm not really convinced of scum but given how smart I know HtS can be as scum from the last game its always a possibility. The whole thing of not particularly rustling anybody's feathers bothers me just a little. Though that could be simply because she came into the thread late.
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On May 05 2015 07:34 Superbia wrote:
Celestial did she really pick a fight with y0su? She did not reach ANY conclusion with that post.
Sum up what she has done today in one sentence and then tell me it's townie.
I'd say that quotes like this are pretty aggressive:
"Your last two posts indicate to me you aren't reading the thread at the very least, or not considering/ignoring context"
"It's circular reasoning that quite frankly not only makes my head spin, but makes me wonder if you're coming up with a read for the sake of coming up with a read."
And she was pushing fairly hard for some justifications from y0su's very vague 'feeling'.
One sentence? She's played it safe by following up on things said prior.
I dislike that there's nothing particular bold in there, but I don't find it to be particularly alignment indicative either. She could either be mafia taking refuge in posting a few things and leaving it there or a townie willing to pick at a few things that are ongoing and wait for the first lynch before going for something a bit more aggressive when she has more information.
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On May 05 2015 07:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:42 -Celestial- wrote:On May 05 2015 07:34 Superbia wrote:
Celestial did she really pick a fight with y0su? She did not reach ANY conclusion with that post.
Sum up what she has done today in one sentence and then tell me it's townie. I'd say that quotes like this are pretty aggressive: "Your last two posts indicate to me you aren't reading the thread at the very least, or not considering/ignoring context" "It's circular reasoning that quite frankly not only makes my head spin, but makes me wonder if you're coming up with a read for the sake of coming up with a read." And she was pushing fairly hard for some justifications from y0su's very vague 'feeling'. One sentence? She's played it safe by following up on things said prior. I dislike that there's nothing particular bold in there, but I don't find it to be particularly alignment indicative either. She could either be mafia taking refuge in posting a few things and leaving it there or a townie willing to pick at a few things that are ongoing and wait for the first lynch before going for something a bit more aggressive when she has more information. This is not town play. She's mafia or a PR. Straight up.
Thing is by that logic sheeping isn't town play either, because its a quiet, safe play. Nor is saying that you don't do day 1 because you're bad at it. Thing is, if everyone doing that in here actually was mafia we'd have like eight people on the mafia side.
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At this point barring a blue claim from scott to be considered I don't think I'm moving my vote. I already put up a freaking big post pointing out all of his mistakes and scum tells and he totally failed to engage in any attempt to defend himself at all or even to set up an alternate choice for lynching. That's as good as a scumclaim to me at this point.
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Anyone going to comment on the fact that Tictock is going to get himself goddamn modkilled unless he votes RIGHT NOW? -_-
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On May 05 2015 07:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:51 -Celestial- wrote:
At this point barring a blue claim from scott to be considered I don't think I'm moving my vote. I already put up a freaking big post pointing out all of his mistakes and scum tells and he totally failed to engage in any attempt to defend himself at all or even to set up an alternate choice for lynching. That's as good as a scumclaim to me at this point. he claimed VT, said his piece and fucked off. doubt he will come back. either he is VT recognizing he is fucked and being apathetic or he is scum denying any info. pick which one you want to believe.
That was basically the only thing he's posted to try to defend himself. Given that he's played mafia side multiple times before this I'd have thought he'd make more damn effort into defending himself if he really is town honestly.
Just another thing to chalk up in the scum column for him.
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On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
no ones switching anyway. Boring
Unless some big shennanies right on the deadline.
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On May 05 2015 07:58 Tictock wrote:
I feel like I'm scrambling so hard against the clock atm. Was supposed to have an extra hour to put some solid thought into this EoD but work had me stay late.
HtS, I know you asked me about an exchange between Super and -c-, but I'm not sure which you are reffering to atm and don't have time to dig and respond to that right now. Sorry.
As I've said, scotts latest posts feel genuine to me. -c- has a pretty solid case but my sense is that -c- joined and jumped on scott's poor play pretty hard. -c- reads as town to me but I think just got tunneled hard on scott. This has left mafia have free reign and has given breathing room to several people who never got pressured into participating due to the focus on scott.
In that regard prp finally comes back and jumps onboard the newly formed HtS wagon. Entire argument is from a meta read and is generally just posting shit.
I'm sticking with my scum read on him.
##Vote: prplhz
CUT THAT A BIT FINE DIDN'T YOU?
Also, wasted vote.
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This was hillarious EoD X-D
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Also yes, whatever alignment scott is he votes HtS here so IDK what he was doing.
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