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Celestial, I have a townread on him. I know list posts in TL are generally frowned upon but his coming off with the list post to me is NAI - I was on the scumteam with him in Newbie LX, and he had mentioned to me he does those things as both alignments. His followup on Scott though is pretty solid (looking at Cel's filter, bottom of page 1, first post in page 2 of his filter) from the point he picks him off sheeping Superbia without looking into the case to the last quote he mentioned about his trying to get Celestial to back off him.
The other problem I have with Scott reading his filter (and after page 15 again) is not only that he didn't check Superbia's rationale/whatever but typically if you sheep someone you obviously want to be sure that the person in question is town. Going through his filter, he said he was going to keep an eye on the vets, Superbia being one of them. But if you look at page 1 of Scott's filter, there is not even an inference that he's concluding that Superbia is town nor does he appear confident in the former's reads before sheeping him. So that's another reason to scumread Scott for sure.
To further elaborate on Scott's approach to the game, as I've said in other games, going after inactives isn't bad in of itself, but only after you've townread most others and you're deeper into the game. It's generally never a good thing for town agenda to do it D1 and not everyone right now is active enough to even attempt PoE.
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Im pretty sure we coached him to doing a list post so I kind of expect him to do it.
Why are listposts frowned apon there my fav.
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On May 04 2015 20:59 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure we coached him to doing a list post so I kind of expect him to do it.
Why are listposts frowned apon there my fav.
Same.
I didn't have a problem with it, but there were at least 2-3 comments I read from others that they didn't like listposts or that listposts were scummy.
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Case on scott:
Game starts with a bunch of non-alignment indicative things. Although I really don't like the whole thing of people posting "yay I'm town" because it honestly just comes across as insincere to me. He made a comment about keeping an eye on veterans he's seen play, specifically Superbia and sicklucker:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 08:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:04 Superbia wrote:On May 03 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:On May 03 2015 08:02 sicklucker wrote:
Scott are you the dude that always posts in obs qts? Yea I am - I like doing my research on things before starting. Excellent. What are your thoughts going into the game then? Keep an eye on a couplne of the veterans I've seen play a lot, I made some notes about them and things to look for. Beyond that - find the scummy ones! and of course, have fun.
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 08:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:09 Superbia wrote:On May 03 2015 08:07 scott31337 wrote:On May 03 2015 08:04 Superbia wrote:On May 03 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:On May 03 2015 08:02 sicklucker wrote:
Scott are you the dude that always posts in obs qts? Yea I am - I like doing my research on things before starting. Excellent. What are your thoughts going into the game then? Keep an eye on a couplne of the veterans I've seen play a lot, I made some notes about them and things to look for. Beyond that - find the scummy ones! and of course, have fun. Which of the veterans are you keeping an eye on? You and sick. Sick pulls out some weird off the wall plays. We'll see how things progress.
Other than that his first nine posts don't really show anything at all. He makes random comments about how he's going to play the game and banters a little with Shining without actually pressuring. Not really alignment indicative but he's pretty much just meandering around off-topic. Admittedly this was very early on.
Then came the whole HtS incident. Something I missed last time was that he ACTUALLY MADE AN EXCUSE FOR HTS BEFORE JUMPING ON THAT WAGON:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 09:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:08 Superbia wrote:On May 03 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On May 03 2015 09:06 Superbia wrote:
HtS, SL, X. Based off of lack of entrances? HtS posted like 1 1/2 hours before day started. Nowhere to be found. SL didn't interact. It's past 1am for HtS - we'll see on her. I'm not caring for SL either, he did his shitty spoiler town post and went poof
So yeah, he himself makes an excuse for HtS and seems to completely accept that she just wouldn't be about, despite Superbia's initial criticism of her not being around. Superbia makes a jokey comment about giving people a pass because of timezones. Then Shining points out that HtS said she'd pick it up on the second day:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 09:28 The Shining wrote:
He did ask if you were the obs dude, as well.
As for HTS, I'm slightly hesitant there. That's pure policy to me. It's late for her and it's the weekend. She said she'd pick it up tomorrow.
Then comes the rather damning part. Superbia posts the following:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:28 The Shining wrote:
He did ask if you were the obs dude, as well.
As for HTS, I'm slightly hesitant there. That's pure policy to me. It's late for her and it's the weekend. She said she'd pick it up tomorrow. Rofl. Where did she say that? On May 03 2015 09:31 Superbia wrote:
UHOH On May 03 2015 09:33 Superbia wrote:
It's not in her filter. :D
Scott outright accepts this at face value. No attempt to question it. Either he's gleefully jumping on a train that someone else has started early, over-excited that he's caught someone lying and can get an early mislynch; or he's accepting what a mafia buddy is saying because he inherently trusts Superbia due to being on the same team. NO TOWN WOULD PLAY THIS WAY. There's an outside possibility it's just one of the worst town moves ever, but I don't buy that excuse. If scott is town then based on this he's an outright liability.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 09:33 scott31337 wrote:
UT OH
On May 03 2015 09:34 scott31337 wrote:
EBWOP
##Unvote
##Vote: Half the Sky
It was at this point Superbia points out to scott that there's a voting thread and scott notices it. This will become relevant later:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 09:40 scott31337 wrote:
Oh we do have a thread - last one didn't.. ty
It's also at this point that he throws a vote onto sicklucker. This is pure sheeping of Shining's pressure vote as far as I can tell and I think it was done just so that someone else other than him had votes on them. He doesn't give any justification for putting it on sicklucker. Though it's worth noting he's still not putting it in the damn voting thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 09:43 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:37 Superbia wrote:I thought that was a game winning slipperino.  Thought it would be too ez Okay then, SL it is for now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Sicklucker
He finally does some research himself and initially I think he thinks he can probably get the HtS ball rolling again until he realises there really IS a post by HtS saying she would be away:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 09:45 scott31337 wrote:That HtS message was posted on April 25th/last week. I don't think that counts  Nobody knew the game was starting Saturday until a couple days ago. On May 03 2015 09:47 scott31337 wrote:
nm she posted another inactive Sunday post
Then there's not much for a while. He asks ritoky for thoughts which aren't provided, but he doesn't follow it up with pressure on ritoky despite the fact that ritoky is basically posting nonsense. Then he goes off talking about the fight for a few posts and seems to be sitting pretty until I finally post my entry and tear into him over the HtS thing. He responds by outright LYING by misrepresenting what he did and trying to put suspicion on me:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 12:05 scott31337 wrote:Never checked voting thread-Celestial Never voted for HtS-Me A reads list is nice but you are going in the slightly scummy pile for now. Superbia actually voted for HtS in the voting thread- but you went more on me for it Interesting. Sick actually posted, but that could be understandable. I'm keeping an eye on you.
Which I absolutely nailed him to the wall for, and his response was enough for me to put my vote on him:
+ Show Spoiler +
Prior to this he'd also replied to ritoky and FF in which he tried to claim he did mean to vote...but he wanted to see my reaction to him having not voted in the voting thread. So which is it? Either you meant to vote and it was a mistake therefore you screwed up and can't use it as a defence. Or you deliberately didn't vote in the thread to try to set up a trap that...actually wouldn't reveal anything that's alignment indicative and therefore a stupid plan. He also tries to cast suspicion on me, in part by bringing up the fact that I didn't mention that he voted sicklucker, which was frankly only tangentially relevent to the HtS thing. More misidrection.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 12:14 scott31337 wrote:I actually meant to vote. + Show Spoiler + but wanted to see Celestial's reaction with posting only in the voting thread. He didn't mention I did vote for SL though - who he says hasn't posted either I need to read another game of his if he has any (He said he took a couple month break, so it may not even exist) Cel's got me worried a little bit.
He then tries to scum me with HtS. Two birds with one stone I guess.
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh?
An argument which I annihilated again:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 12:24 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:
So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh? What? Did you actually miss the entire point of my case on you? I'll spell it out: the case on you is NOT because you voted HtS. Its because of the fact you voted HtS blindly in response to a claim from Superbia that you DID NOT CHECK. That's either terrible town play or pure scum. And you constant misrepresentation of everything here firmly makes me believe scum. I'm going to need to see a damn convincing argument from someone at this point to want to lynch anybody else. Either you're scum or you're playing in a way that is going to make town lose.
He then starts his backpedalling after realising that I'm not backing down to go defensive, that he can't easily fool people into thinking I'm scum and that I'm still gunning for him:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 12:21 scott31337 wrote:
Our last game though - you were pretty dormant though as scum- and trying to jump on a ML so early wouldn't be your style in my opinion.
Except this is pretty much wrong too. I went dormant last game when I was scum as a result of me losing my temper after a six hour straight interrogation (or something like that, can't remember exactly, too long ago) which made me utterly sick of the game and wanting out of it. Before then I'd been pretty active. I don't like meta arguments generally (although him having actually played with me makes it a bit better) but now he's misrepresenting my meta from my prior game in order to flip around and to try to townread me to maybe placate me a bit. Not buying it.
Then he starts the excuses:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 12:31 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:24 -Celestial- wrote:On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:
So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh? What? Did you actually miss the entire point of my case on you? I'll spell it out: the case on you is NOT because you voted HtS. Its because of the fact you voted HtS blindly in response to a claim from Superbia that you DID NOT CHECK. That's either terrible town play or pure scum. And you constant misrepresentation of everything here firmly makes me believe scum. I'm going to need to see a damn convincing argument from someone at this point to want to lynch anybody else. Either you're scum or you're playing in a way that is going to make town lose. You are right - I did not check it until afterwards. I did not re-read the pre-game excuses until afterwards. That was my fault. I got better backing when I roll scum anyway - I wouldn't have made such a dumb mistake. We have plenty of time - we will have convincing arguments for you
Translation: "Yes I was a dumbass, but I'm town really, please believe me!" Sorry, no. Also ritoky pointed out the rather hillarious use of "we" here. I don't think this is so much a slipup as an oversight but amusingly could easily be used to refer to himself and his mafia buddies.
He then provides some reads. Which I analysed:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 12:57 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:44 scott31337 wrote:
I think FF, Superbia and Shining are town. FF because he's asking questions and pushing us forward. Superbia on meta and posts very little as scum and and I don't see that so far. Shining because we're connecting and having the same ideas.
Sicklucker and prplhz are in the scummy pile for actually showing up and having shit posts.
I think Celestial could be town - the push is so early on me makes me wonder.
Two easy to make town calls, at least that's my feeling on FF and Shining. Hell, they're the two strongest town calls that I put out myself in my initial reads post. Plus a similar shoutout for Superbia. In my opinion this is smart mafia play whichever side Superbia is on. If he's mafia he's been associated with two townies, if he's not mafia then it sows more confusion. Two extremely easy scum calls because they've not posted much at all so they're soft targets. Nobody is going to defend them because there's not much to defend and they're not here to defend themselves right now; but it sets up nicely to potentially get a policy lynch train going. Reversing direction on me. First I'm scum because I called him out as scum and he willfully attempted to manipulate the facts to try to make me look bad. Then when I call that out for nonsense we get this rapid backpedalling despite the fact that virtually nothing has changed, I'm still calling for his head but apparently that now that means I'm town. My rough translation of the above post: "I, scott31337, am on the scum team. Please lynch me." Anyway its 5am here. I'm going to sleep. Goodnight.
His next few posts are just one liners or nothing with any substance. In the meantime Superbia pulls out his chainsaw and starts to use it on me, but that doesn't really work out too well either. If my tentative theory about a Superbia/scott team is true it may be that Superbia told scott in the mafia QT to shut up and let him do what he can to help. Which leads me off into a discussion about ritoky with Superbia. That later stops as well. Though I don't think its quite enough to totally damn Superbia, he's also been playing kinda scummy in my eyes.
scott later repeats his previous excuses:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
Before replying to a very easy softball lobbed by Superbia to make it look like he's engaging:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 02:49 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:32 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
Did you read HtS's filter before you put down your vote? No I did not - She hadn't posted anything in the game - I didn't think of her pre-game filter until it was mentioned. Then I saw the April 25th excuse and stopped there the first time - voted since I thought it was TMI - It was noted it was her May 1st post about being AFK instead. The information made sense, so I let it go.
scott's last set of reads are classic mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote:Here's where I am at - Superbia & Fecalfeast are in the towny pile - driving conversation and going in the right direction - Superbia posts much less as mafia. The Shining is slight town - his reaction here + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 09:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 14:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Inactive Sunday (or first half of D1, since I'm out at a shower) but normal activity will resume Sunday night into Monday morning. You guys need to freaking read if you're gonna keep trying to scum EVERYTHING I POST. ffs. feels genuine to me. y0su-seems to be trying to go in the right direction, although asking a lot of coaching questions in the thread - slight town Celestial - I think him starting his tunnel on me so early is a towny trait - I just don't see him coming off the bat as scum, reading the QT and coming up with this plan. Tictock - one whole post - + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 18:27 Tictock wrote:
Apologies for being absent the first few hours of the game. My work sometimes has me in as early as 5am, and that is the case for the nest two days.
I am a total Mafia noob. Never played a game in my life and until recently never piqued my interest. I've been on TL for a few years now and have seen the Mafia section plenty of times, so when I decided to try my hand at the game I naturally came here.
So, given my newbishness, while I have read the thread up to this point (you guys were busy while I slept) I'm not too sure what to make of things. The suspicion around scott seems to have merit, but I will have to do a more thorough read of what transpired when I get some time.
I expect I should be done with work by midday and will be more active then. - Mentions being a noob twice, like he's overstating his noobness - beyond that, nadda. disinformation - + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 10:42 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 10:33 Superbia wrote:
Z. New player comes into thread with canned post. Asks others what to look for while he has a coach to ask this. Feels like a dumbtell-ish planned post (and therefore scummy). The fact that he admits that this kind of post was sort of planned feels townie.
It's not optimal to ask other players because you are in the game with them. I'm not going to be able to give straight up advice because I am unsure of his alignment. Thank you very much. Clarified your stance much better. Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 10:33 ritoky wrote:
don't you have town reads on people like shining for being active, pushing, and questioning. explain to me why what superbia is doing is different from shining. Well, yes. But this post: Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D Just raises a red flag for me. As I said earlier I have an idea how this could be town motivated. But I don't really see it. Damn. Forgot. =D Have some more: Mentioning he was going to post lots of smileys - then his next post, he has none - and then tried to add some extras in the post afterwards - honestly forgot?  sicklucker - Asked about my obs'ing, made a shit spoiler I'm town post - disappeared. useless The others haven't posted enough yet (or at all)
"Everyone is null or town, isn't that nice? Except the one guy I'm voting for, because he's not around right now". Things of note especially being him rating Superbia so highly town along with FF (who I think is a very easy towncall here) and him continuing his read on me gradually turning from scum to town. He's voted sicklucker which means he needs some reason, so he makes him his sole red read on the basis that he's posted hardly anything and then disappeared despite the fact that others who haven't posted enough are simply dismissed as neutral.
Of course he rapidly backpedals on that too as soon as sicklucker starts posting:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 10:21 scott31337 wrote:So Sick's actually doing a few things - an obvtownread on Shining - thinking of voting for me - and says he's already doing shit - so that's a start. I'd like to give him some more time for now to start + Show Spoiler +##UnvoteSuper - I understand FF, but Ritoky? What makes you town read without explanation? He asked why I didn't put him in the same pile with FF - but I'm just not seeing him in the "free pass town" pile. I can see your view on Shining but I do think he's town. I think I'll re-read disinformation - that's a very interesting point - I thought it was a little weird on his smileys though.
So now everyone is town or neutral. How nice. He's not really pushing anyone except now he's gone back on disinformation who early on was a very soft target who a couple of people were getting suspicious of. I think he's just looking for an easy mislynch train to set up in opposition to the fact that he knows I'm gunning for him and that there's basically no other train rolling.
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red.
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On May 04 2015 20:52 Half the Sky wrote:
The other problem I have with Scott reading his filter (and after page 15 again) is not only that he didn't check Superbia's rationale/whatever but typically if you sheep someone you obviously want to be sure that the person in question is town. Going through his filter, he said he was going to keep an eye on the vets, Superbia being one of them. But if you look at page 1 of Scott's filter, there is not even an inference that he's concluding that Superbia is town nor does he appear confident in the former's reads before sheeping him. So that's another reason to scumread Scott for sure.
Nice catch, I actually didn't catch that association. And welcome to the game, HtS.
On May 04 2015 20:59 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure we coached him to doing a list post so I kind of expect him to do it.
Why are listposts frowned apon there my fav.
Well people better get used to it because full analysis of everyone so far as my opening post is something I'm planning to do as both alignments into future games. 
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On May 04 2015 21:02 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 20:59 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure we coached him to doing a list post so I kind of expect him to do it.
Why are listposts frowned apon there my fav. Same. I didn't have a problem with it, but there were at least 2-3 comments I read from others that they didn't like listposts or that listposts were scummy.
Eh, if people start lynching me for it then they'll see I do it as both town and scum so they'll quickly learn that its NAI.
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I've been pretty uncomfortable with Superbia's play - yea he's active, but I feel this is another example of him either misunderstanding or misleading people. I'll use this post as an example actually -
On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Celestial likely mafai. Introductory lists posts like that more often come from mafia than from town. Mafia feel like they need to contribute and are usually afraid to make a casual entry.
This part I'm not going to consider either way, and if Superbia somehow is town, he doesn't know Celestial's style of play (whereas both SL and I do) so this part is reasonable for him not knowing Celestial. However we carry on -
On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:The entire thing also starts off with an excuse: + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 11:34 -Celestial- wrote:
Hey guys. Sorry for the late entry. I've been somewhat distracted playing KanColle recently; there's an event on and I'm desperate to clear it, first event I've been in. Anyway there's probably just about enough to write something on most people now so...off we go.
Unfortunately in the time I've been away I've NOT been keeping an eye on games going on. Then again I tend to prefer any meta reading from games people have actually been in together. On with the show: What are you apologizing for? This feels like you yourself don't have any faith in your reads. This is likely because you had to fabricate them due to being mafia, because you feel confident enough to start a wagon on scott. Also, starting off with an apology for being late is pretty mafia.
This second part above, I simply interpreted Celestial just disregarding meta and drawing his own conclusions based on his following list post. Yes, what Superbia quoted there was preamble, and IIRC, Celestial did get a few scum reads for not posting prior to that list post. But his comment was also not the first on disregarding meta reads (I know one of the newbies mentioned that too, disinf maybe?), and that said I don't think there's anything wrong with an apology - he follows up with a list of reads based on what he has.
I think "not having any faith" in his reads isn't an appropriate comment at all, in fact I think he's just making Celestial look bad. The comment would be more applicable to someone who makes excuses like "well it's D1 and D1 reads are trash" then yeh saying that is fine, but this isn't the case. What part of the quote are you reading that way?
On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:There's also a flagrant disparity between what you say about disformation and ritoky (which leads me to believe both are town if you end up being mafia): + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 11:34 -Celestial- wrote:
disformation starting post I REALLY don't like. However he IS making an attempt to start producing reads. Earnest newbie with a weak entry I think. Weakly town.
ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays. So you say that you yourself did not like disformation's opening post, but you feel like ritoky is scummy for pushing on him? Is it not townie for ritoky to push on something that may very well be scummy? Furthermore, "easy push"? Since when are you so sure that disformation is town? Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy.
I looked at ritoky's opening post which I also thought was pretty bad
On May 03 2015 09:54 ritoky wrote:
i randomly clicked to a page, and there was a disformation guy or girl....w8 no girls on internet, must be guy. anywayz dat dude was liek full of smileyz and shit everywhere. i don't like people who spam emoticons. top scum read.
Then he mentions it's bullshit because he's loopy or whatever, but his later posts - particularly the one where he checks Superbia for not providing anything alignment indicative on SL aside from the pressure vote is quite townie to me. Ritoky that is.
But back to Superbia.
One of the things I've made clear in a lot of my games is that it's not the push on someone (esp a newbie or a weak player) that makes someone scummy, it's how that push is done. That said, looking at Superbia's quote, ritoky may have had a "bad" reason (smileys) to push on disinformation but from what I read of disinformation's entry post THAT IS NOT THE SAME REASON WHY CELESTIAL HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT POST. He didn't comment on his smileys at all - his first post gave zero information and you can tell from Celestial's phrasing that his point on disinformation is JUST on that.
[spoiler]On May 03 2015 11:34 -Celestial- wrote:
disformation starting post I REALLY don't like. However he IS making an attempt to start producing reads. Earnest newbie with a weak entry I think. Weakly town.
And again, more context problems with Superbia's "easy push" - doesn't mean he's saying that disinformation or anyone is town.
Easy pushes generally mean the player is weak - that comment was made because he's new to TL (first game) and not because he was so sure disinformation is town. Even Celestial himself said "weakly town."
That post is quite scumlike behaviour from Superbia. It's so bad.
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So far, I have Superbia and Scott pretty red.
Shining, Celestial look town.
ritoky weak town lean.
prplhz slight scum lean.
Stutters is null, same for sicklucker.
I will look at disinformation, yosu, and ticktock next, after I get off this conference call.
At this point in time, I can vote either of Superbia or scott.
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On May 04 2015 20:45 sicklucker wrote:
I might just leave my vote on scott. First impresions are usually the best
Looking at why you voted Scott, I assume you mean his entry. No issues with your vote on Scott.
If so, what are your impressions of some of others' first posts?
Because Scott isn't the only one with a poor first entry to be honest.
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Damn, Celestial, I missed your case on Scott whilst I was on Superbia. I'll re-read after this call finishes.
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On May 04 2015 21:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Because Scott isn't the only one with a poor first entry to be honest.
*cough* *cough*
Currently taking in your posts and celestials case...
Case looks incredibly solid. You have even more stuff on scott...
And he was my top scum read before...
Can't find a reason to not vote him... should probably head over to the voting thread and do so.
I feel like I need to think about superbia some more. As I was writing earlier I had a mixed feeling about him at the start, but I just gave him a bunch of credit for his push on me... after reading your post about him I am starting to get mixed feelings again.
Also looking forward to your other posts.
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On May 04 2015 20:59 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure we coached him to doing a list post so I kind of expect him to do it.
Why are listposts frowned apon there my fav.
when did you coach him (-c-) to do a list post? (what alignment?)
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On May 04 2015 21:56 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 20:59 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure we coached him to doing a list post so I kind of expect him to do it.
Why are listposts frowned apon there my fav. when did you coach him (-c-) to do a list post? (what alignment?)
Mafia.
I've only played one other game. I was the Mafia Roleblocker. Link is in my profile.
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so your mafia coaching is paying off well?
serious question though, why did your opening list have 3 mafia reads despite so many "too little info" reads?
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Voted Scott in the voting thread. Still on call here.
I want Superbia to respond when he's around.
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On May 04 2015 22:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I want Superbia to respond when he's around.
I would like that, too, as I am greatly confused as to where I would place him right now.
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On May 04 2015 22:00 y0su wrote:
so your mafia coaching is paying off well?
Yes. More practically I read a bunch of guides before I started playing that first game and I read how important it is to keep a consistent style. Hence why I'm largely trying to follow a similar style.
serious question though, why did your opening list have 3 mafia reads despite so many "too little info" reads?
Because I had scott down as a pretty hard scumread and was very uncomfortable about Superbia both by himself and with his association with scott given the whole HtS thing. ritoky was just messing up the thread with insanity, hence timewasting whilst also looking like he's actually doing something which I'm given to understand is another mafia tell.
There happened to be three. If there'd been five people looking scummy then I'd have listed five. If scott had been the only one I'd only have listed him. Last game I learned to be more aggressive with posting reads because I opened very softly then by towning/nulling everyone and it looked kinda bad on reflection.
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EBWOP: I realise there can't be five people on the team when its stated there are three but what I mean is if there'd been five suspicious people I'd have listed five and then looked to start eliminating people from that list.
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On May 04 2015 22:04 -Celestial- wrote:Yes. More practically I read a bunch of guides before I started playing that first game and I read how important it is to keep a consistent style. Hence why I'm largely trying to follow a similar style.
EBWOP 2: I also realise that this doesn't help my position in this game, but I also don't want to compromise future games by deliberately changing my style just because I was mafia last time and am town this time.
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okay, I guess I can buy that while trying to make T reads you just saw red.
Your case against scott is the first i've ever seen so i'll really have to give it a few more reads (as well as rereading the whole thread).
That said, I'm still not shaking the strange feeling that you're trying too hard to get a ML.. (hence I'm not jumping on the scott train yet.)
Have your feelings towards ritoky changed? I still see his "loopy" entrance as a red flag (as big if not bigger than people that haven't been posting).
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