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On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
Did you read HtS's filter before you put down your vote?
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On May 04 2015 02:30 y0su wrote:This WIFOM (which I had to look up) is killing me  out of curiosity, how often do d1 lynches work out? I assume we'll have a lot more to go by on d2 when scum have made a definitive move?
d1 lynches on TL are more successful than other sites from what I've gathered. Probably has something to do with the bad-busing-syndrome over here.
I'd prefer if you moved away from general strategy and toward commenting on actual players, please.
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oh, I meant to call it mad-busing-syndrome, oh well
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well, that's the problem, look at the biggest back and forth we've had: -c- vs scott.
-c- came in with what I feel was a very bold 1st post (list) that bugged me. why would he pick 3 scum out of the active players and and let others slide just because he didn't have a read (afk/low post count)?
he had some decent points, but was it all to put on pressure or to start swaying people?
without experience, it doesn't feel like something town would do (and this is -c-'s 2nd game afaik)
that followed into the rather aggressive finger pointing with scott.
I had a weird feel from him from the start and non of what -c- said helped him... but again it just feels like "an easy target" to try to get people to bandwagon.
...but all that leaves me is not wanting to vote for either one (yet).
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but i'm curious why you don't want to comment as much on general strategy in a newb game? instead of just trying to get info out of us?
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Talking about basic concepts like "are day 1 lynches usually successful?" is something you could talk about with your coach and only serves to add fluff posts to the game. I'm not saying I won't try to help, I'm just more interested in finding scum than talking about mechanics.
That being said:
I actually like your thought process y0su. From the finger pointing, does anyone (not limited to -c- and scott) seem to be actively pushing an agenda?
An agenda can be anything from causing confusion to egging people on and anything in-between that could prevent town from acting rationally.
Thinking about how you feel about people is part of scumhunting but at some point you are going to need to draw some kind of conclusion from your feelings. Where did the finger pointing lead? Could you see -c- and scott as teammates arguing to spam up the thread? Did you notice anyone on the sidelines prolonging the argument?
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On May 04 2015 02:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
Did you read HtS's filter before you put down your vote?
No I did not - She hadn't posted anything in the game - I didn't think of her pre-game filter until it was mentioned. Then I saw the April 25th excuse and stopped there the first time - voted since I thought it was TMI - It was noted it was her May 1st post about being AFK instead. The information made sense, so I let it go.
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Oh, I mentioned it to explain myself but don't talk about coaching in-thread. It's no bueno
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Just a couple quick things before I go out for a meal.
On May 03 2015 23:08 Superbia wrote:
Celestial, you are a meta-esque player, correct? I.e. you prefer to get reads based on the meta-game of that player.
No I don't trust meta reads too much but I'll use them if I absolutely have to and have nothing else to go on. Though I much prefer meta reads on players who people have actually played with rather than just studying their game (because the "feel" of actually playing with them can be significant).
Current thoughts are that Superbia is still pretty dirty in my eyes. But is actually making a reasonable contribution now, though I dislike the evasiveness with respect to scott. I'm still pretty sure is scum but with a fairly hefty effort I could maybe be convinced otherwise.
scott is either playing a terrible, terrible town or is outright scum. And I doubt at this point that anything at all will convince me otherwise.
The push onto sicklucker is eh to me. I don't see any evidence of scum behaviour there and the main driving force is Superbia, who I have deep suspicions over, for reasons that for some reason he doesn't want to explain. I don't think it'd be the worst lynch in the world but I also don't think it'll help us much. I'd be very surprised if SL flipped mafia honestly; possible but it seems extremely unlikely.
On May 04 2015 02:41 y0su wrote:
-c- came in with what I feel was a very bold 1st post (list) that bugged me. why would he pick 3 scum out of the active players and and let others slide just because he didn't have a read (afk/low post count)?
The others slide until tomorrow. Then we can start looking to see who is still inactive and which out of them are possibly red. Its kinda hard to draw a conclusion off anyone when they've not posted anything yet.
Lynching inactives is a valid play if you have nothing better to go on but in my view we do have something better to go on. My mind would literally be blown if scott flips anything other than the deepest crimson.
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On May 04 2015 02:49 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:32 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
Did you read HtS's filter before you put down your vote? No I did not - She hadn't posted anything in the game - I didn't think of her pre-game filter until it was mentioned. Then I saw the April 25th excuse and stopped there the first time - voted since I thought it was TMI - It was noted it was her May 1st post about being AFK instead. The information made sense, so I let it go.
I just did a dab so excuse me if I'm being dumb but can you elaborate on this bolded statement?
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lynching inactives is such an OMGUS.net play.
+ Show Spoiler +Everyone is inactive over there
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Celestial, what do you think of Ritoky at this moment? What do you think of the fact that Ritoky's reads line up with mine?
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the thought of -c- and scott being teammates crossed my mind  doesn't feel right (experience might tell me otherwise).
so, not knowing which way to flip a coin on them... (and I'll definitely reread that bit to look for engagement from others)
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-c- you seem really confident for being so new
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On May 04 2015 02:58 Superbia wrote:
Celestial, what do you think of Ritoky at this moment? What do you think of the fact that Ritoky's reads line up with mine?
Jury still out. I still think he's looked pretty scummy but he's been getting better and he was, after all, my weakest scum read in the first place.
The reads lining up isn't alignment indicative. Could be collusion, could be two people of either side coming up with the same thing, could be sheeping influence from the thread.
On May 04 2015 03:02 y0su wrote:the thought of -c- and scott being teammates crossed my mind doesn't feel right (experience might tell me otherwise)
I know you have no reason to believe my word on whether or not I'm on a team with scott but if I was on his team I wouldn't have bussed him so early and so quickly.
On May 04 2015 03:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
-c- you seem really confident for being so new
As I mentioned in my last game I've played this quite a lot with people I've been in plays with (its a common team building and warm up activity in rehearsals). Plus I've played the SC2 mod. So I'm pretty comfortable with the game in general, just not the forum format in particular.
On a side note unless we seriously get some solid reads out of Stutters695 soon I'm going to start scumming him just for completely ignoring my repeated requests for sets of reads.
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by the way, i'm glad you "like the way I think" but i note there isn't any agreement or disagreement voiced 
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Now I'm off out for a meal. See you guys later.
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-c- why is it that necessary to "check-in and out" ?
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On May 04 2015 03:21 y0su wrote:by the way, i'm glad you "like the way I think" but i note there isn't any agreement or disagreement voiced
OK there it is, townread for you. I think scott is more likely scum than -c- but I'm honestly watching sc2 so I'm not filtering anything right now
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On May 04 2015 02:50 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:49 scott31337 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:32 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
Did you read HtS's filter before you put down your vote? No I did not - She hadn't posted anything in the game - I didn't think of her pre-game filter until it was mentioned. Then I saw the April 25th excuse and stopped there the first time - voted since I thought it was TMI - It was noted it was her May 1st post about being AFK instead. The information made sense, so I let it go. I just did a dab so excuse me if I'm being dumb but can you elaborate on this bolded statement?
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On May 03 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:28 The Shining wrote:
He did ask if you were the obs dude, as well.
As for HTS, I'm slightly hesitant there. That's pure policy to me. It's late for her and it's the weekend. She said she'd pick it up tomorrow. Rofl. Where did she say that?
HtS had not posted since the game started - so I (and Superbia) thought this was TMI from the Scum QT and slipped - that she posted she wouldn't be around there and not here. But as we all know now, it was from pre-game messages.
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