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On May 03 2015 22:01 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +What is/was your red read on ritoky then? Did you feel a need to include him as scum because you felt a need to put down a team of 3? Why did you mention ritoky's push on disinformation? I wanted to try and get an early impression of who the whole team might by. My red read on him is as quoted, with the key part highlighted: Show nested quote +ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays. To elaborate: virtually all of his posts to that point read as someone trying to send down off into discussing other things rather than hunting for mafia. Apart from a very soft push on a very soft target, which I assume was made to make it look like he was actually doing something. It was a weaker read than my read of you and scott given your apparent collusion, but it was still a read. Since then he's done a bit more, but I'm still highly suspicious after that opening since he only started actually doing anything after I pushed him.
EBWOP: The push on disinformation was therefore part of the thing (it was an attempt to look townie by asking questions and pressuring, but doing it to someone who is an easy target) but not the whole thing, so stop trying to pretend it is to defend your scum buddy.
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On May 03 2015 22:01 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 21:52 Superbia wrote:
That associative read between me and scott is pretty reaching and meh. There is no chainsaw defence. You're defending him by attacking me, who also has a red read on you. That's a classic mafia side play. And now you're trying to distance yourself from it by claiming its reaching a bit. There was already an association between the two of you and you made it stronger with your post. You can claim that its reaching all you want but ultimately the association was there BEFORE you posted, you just made it worst.
The problem with this logic is that all that you're saying is that this is my agenda, you're not proving it. Why am I not town trying to figure out your alignment?
On May 03 2015 22:01 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +What is/was your red read on ritoky then? Did you feel a need to include him as scum because you felt a need to put down a team of 3? Why did you mention ritoky's push on disinformation? I wanted to try and get an early impression of who the whole team might by. My red read on him is as quoted, with the key part highlighted: Show nested quote +ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays. To elaborate: virtually all of his posts to that point read as someone trying to send down off into discussing other things rather than hunting for mafia. Apart from a very soft push on a very soft target, which I assume was made to make it look like he was actually doing something. It was a weaker read than my read of you and scott given your apparent collusion, but it was still a read. Since then he's done a bit more, but I'm still highly suspicious after that opening since he only started actually doing anything after I pushed him.
You have a number of people as null/neutral based on them not discussing the game or actively doing anything (iirc). Why is ritoky scum for doing this?
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On May 03 2015 22:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 22:01 -Celestial- wrote:On May 03 2015 21:52 Superbia wrote:
That associative read between me and scott is pretty reaching and meh. There is no chainsaw defence. You're defending him by attacking me, who also has a red read on you. That's a classic mafia side play. And now you're trying to distance yourself from it by claiming its reaching a bit. There was already an association between the two of you and you made it stronger with your post. You can claim that its reaching all you want but ultimately the association was there BEFORE you posted, you just made it worst. The problem with this logic is that all that you're saying is that this is my agenda, you're not proving it. Why am I not town trying to figure out your alignment?
Because I already had you down as a likely red given scott's slip up earlier outing himself as mafia and fingering you as probably mafia. All you're doing now is trying to find a way to save him and yourself into the bargain, and digging yourself a deeper hole in the process because I'm not buying it This is just your latest indicator of being scum. I can't actually prove what you're thinking because I'm not telepathic, but every marker points to you being scum.
Towards the close of play I fully expect you to bus him if he still looks like he's going down. In the hope that it'll get you town cred.
Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 22:01 -Celestial- wrote:What is/was your red read on ritoky then? Did you feel a need to include him as scum because you felt a need to put down a team of 3? Why did you mention ritoky's push on disinformation? I wanted to try and get an early impression of who the whole team might by. My red read on him is as quoted, with the key part highlighted: ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays. To elaborate: virtually all of his posts to that point read as someone trying to send down off into discussing other things rather than hunting for mafia. Apart from a very soft push on a very soft target, which I assume was made to make it look like he was actually doing something. It was a weaker read than my read of you and scott given your apparent collusion, but it was still a read. Since then he's done a bit more, but I'm still highly suspicious after that opening since he only started actually doing anything after I pushed him. You have a number of people as null/neutral based on them not discussing the game or actively doing anything (iirc). Why is ritoky scum for doing this?
Neutrals from my initial post:
Ticktock - hadn't posted basically anything at all.
y0su - hadn't posted much and much of it was off topic, but is a newbie and isn't "posting scared". This was a bit of a tone read and I already stated if I don't start seeing something substantial from him soon its going to go red.
Half the Sky - had already stated she wouldn't be about until this evening.
prplhz - hadn't posted much except vague comments on The Shining. The longer it goes without him posting something substantial he'll start drifting red, but there wasn't much to work with initially.
sicklucker - I addressed this a few pages ago.
Stutters695 - hardly posted but stated he was going to "catch up quick". So I called him out on that.
ritoky of all of him HAD actually posted a fairly substantial amount but the majority of it was garbage and nonsense, not scum hunting. Hence why I had him red.
In short I was neutral reading people who had hardly posted, but I was red reading ritoky because he HAD posted and it was mostly garbage; nothing actually substantial at all. At least by that point.
Incidentally, Stutters, I'm still waiting. Reads, if you please. You've posted since I posted that initial set but you didn't respond to my request for reads. Or are you just going to outright ignore it?
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Anyway I'm going off for a bit. I'd really like to see some posting from those who haven't done much yet. Hopefully HtS will be back soonish and we can get her reads to work with too.
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Celestial, you are a meta-esque player, correct? I.e. you prefer to get reads based on the meta-game of that player.
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apparently forcing people to answer questions to try and determine their alignment gets you mafia read in dis game. dam maybe i should go back to posting gifs.....naw.
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On May 03 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:Good morning everyone.  Some stuff I am wondering: Stutters695 : You were around for a bit, but my list on you is empty and your filter is really short. Give us something more to work with? How bad do you think scott looks now? Any idea of who you would lynch as of now? Scum reads? ritoky : Your two pushes so far were towards me were easy pushes on me and y0su, both of which are newbies. Coincidence or looking for easy misslynches? You also seem to be defensive about superbia. Scum mate of yours? sicklucker : For not wanting to play d1, you seem to be around a bit. Changed your mind a bit, or is it more in the vain of your d1 reads being bad anyway? Not sure what your spamy stuff is supposed to be though. Kinda confused tbh. If that was what you were aiming for: congrats.
i am interested in why you don't have an opinion on scott. he seems to be a focal point of the day phase, yet you neglect giving any thoughts on him. what are your thoughts on scott?
as for my "push" on you, if you think people pushing you to give definitive answers about your thoughts makes them scum, then you're going to spend the entire game lynching town.
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Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little?
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On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy.
while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8.
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On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little?
maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now.
i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now.
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On May 04 2015 01:48 ritoky wrote:while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8.
The scott read was okay at best. I don't see how it is very alignment indicative. Did scott really blindly trust me? I don't know. It's not entirely clear to me what scott did that lead to the decision to vote HtS, it was pretty quiet after I thought I caught the slip. To me it felt like there was a bit of confusion from scott's part on what was actually happening. I would like to hear some more from scott on his thought process, but I don't find his vote on HtS particularly alignment indicative.
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On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now.
I like shining as scum too. I'm undecided on scott. I had him as town early on. I'm decently sure -c- is town here as well. Undecided on prp, but I liked his initial thoughts. Also agreed on FF being town.
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On May 04 2015 01:55 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:48 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy. while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8. The scott read was okay at best. I don't see how it is very alignment indicative. Did scott really blindly trust me? I don't know. It's not entirely clear to me what scott did that lead to the decision to vote HtS, it was pretty quiet after I thought I caught the slip. To me it felt like there was a bit of confusion from scott's part on what was actually happening. I would like to hear some more from scott on his thought process, but I don't find his vote on HtS particularly alignment indicative.
it reminded me of how i lynched mafia on day 1 in hearthstone mafia. someone gave a piss poor and inaccurate read on day 1. and then another player immediately agreed with it and helped push it as an attempt to pocket the person who made the read and get in on the ground floor of a lynch. i looked into the accuracy of the read/push and it was complete garbage. in that situation, the guy who follows the garbage read is usually more likely scum than the person making it. that was the case in hearthstone. and i think i poorly explained this one, rip me.
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prp is town because i literally mind melded him here:
On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY
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I'm not interested in lynching scott today for now. Want to hear his thought process during the whole HtS debacle though. Wagon on SL would be nice.
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On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now.
been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts?
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i'll be a more active in a bit once my wife goes to work
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On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts?
he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing:
On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY
On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game
he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia.
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On May 04 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:55 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:48 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy. while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8. The scott read was okay at best. I don't see how it is very alignment indicative. Did scott really blindly trust me? I don't know. It's not entirely clear to me what scott did that lead to the decision to vote HtS, it was pretty quiet after I thought I caught the slip. To me it felt like there was a bit of confusion from scott's part on what was actually happening. I would like to hear some more from scott on his thought process, but I don't find his vote on HtS particularly alignment indicative. it reminded me of how i lynched mafia on day 1 in hearthstone mafia. someone gave a piss poor and inaccurate read on day 1. and then another player immediately agreed with it and helped push it as an attempt to pocket the person who made the read and get in on the ground floor of a lynch. i looked into the accuracy of the read/push and it was complete garbage. in that situation, the guy who follows the garbage read is usually more likely scum than the person making it. that was the case in hearthstone. and i think i poorly explained this one, rip me.
Yeah, maybe. I thought he was decently townie before any of that though. I also thought that the interactions between scott and the shining were shady (iirc). Felt like at least one of them trusted the other one too easily (and maybe some pocketing going on).
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On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia.
I think the read was wrong though. It was definitely a jokey post. That being said, I didn't like the post regardless. What did it accomplish? The joke and the followup felt very forced.
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