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On May 04 2015 01:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:Good morning everyone.  Some stuff I am wondering: Stutters695 : You were around for a bit, but my list on you is empty and your filter is really short. Give us something more to work with? How bad do you think scott looks now? Any idea of who you would lynch as of now? Scum reads? ritoky : Your two pushes so far were towards me were easy pushes on me and y0su, both of which are newbies. Coincidence or looking for easy misslynches? You also seem to be defensive about superbia. Scum mate of yours? sicklucker : For not wanting to play d1, you seem to be around a bit. Changed your mind a bit, or is it more in the vain of your d1 reads being bad anyway? Not sure what your spamy stuff is supposed to be though. Kinda confused tbh. If that was what you were aiming for: congrats. i am interested in why you don't have an opinion on scott. he seems to be a focal point of the day phase, yet you neglect giving any thoughts on him. what are your thoughts on scott? as for my "push" on you, if you think people pushing you to give definitive answers about your thoughts makes them scum, then you're going to spend the entire game lynching town.
Firstly: thanks for answering my questions.
I just wanted to poke you to see your reaction, since I didn't know what to make of -c-'s read on you. I'ma go ahead and give you some townie brownies. 
My opinion on scott is a bit conflicted. I had a town lean on him for being active and trying to put out some reads. His responses to the push from -c- looked pretty bad to me, I would lean scum for that. Now he is back at being active. Not sure if this is to cover up his previous behaviour or to further town agenda. =/
On May 04 2015 03:21 -Celestial- wrote:
On a side note unless we seriously get some solid reads out of Stutters695 soon I'm going to start scumming him just for completely ignoring my repeated requests for sets of reads.
He also didn't answer my questions for him, so I agree on that.
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EBWOP:
[/quote]My opinion on scott is a bit conflicted. I had a town lean on him for being active and trying to put out some reads.[/quote]
Oh never mind, mistook scott for shining... the town lean was on the shining before. So scott only acted towny after the push from -c- in my book.
Will reread scotts and the shinings filter to make sure I don't mess stuff up. sry I am with stupid.
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On May 04 2015 04:52 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:58 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. I like shining as scum too. I'm undecided on scott. I had him as town early on. I'm decently sure -c- is town here as well. Undecided on prp, but I liked his initial thoughts. Also agreed on FF being town. Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:03 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:55 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:48 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy. while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8. The scott read was okay at best. I don't see how it is very alignment indicative. Did scott really blindly trust me? I don't know. It's not entirely clear to me what scott did that lead to the decision to vote HtS, it was pretty quiet after I thought I caught the slip. To me it felt like there was a bit of confusion from scott's part on what was actually happening. I would like to hear some more from scott on his thought process, but I don't find his vote on HtS particularly alignment indicative. it reminded me of how i lynched mafia on day 1 in hearthstone mafia. someone gave a piss poor and inaccurate read on day 1. and then another player immediately agreed with it and helped push it as an attempt to pocket the person who made the read and get in on the ground floor of a lynch. i looked into the accuracy of the read/push and it was complete garbage. in that situation, the guy who follows the garbage read is usually more likely scum than the person making it. that was the case in hearthstone. and i think i poorly explained this one, rip me. Yeah, maybe. I thought he was decently townie before any of that though. I also thought that the interactions between scott and the shining shady (iirc). Felt like at least one of them trusted the other one too easily (and maybe some pocketing going on). I think I found our first scum here, guys. I just can't understand the town motivation here. I'm scum. Undecided on Scott. But our interactions were shady. Too much easy trusting and maybe pocketing. But I'm suspicious of Scott? So how am I pocketing? This leads to Super NOT BEING INTERESTED IN A SCOTT LYNCH. WHICH LEADS TO HIM GETTING ON THE SL WAGON. Wtf bro? I'm scum, right? Why are you voting on MY wagon? This could be an attempt to save scummate Scott.
Thanks, for pointing this one out.
Was just thinking that I want to see more stuff from you, since you are kinda null atm.
Was also just thinking of rereading Superbia.
And reread scott31337 's filter:
Pointed out two vets he was keeping an eye on. Then I see nothing helpful till the push from -celestial-. Whole bunch of bad responses to that. Does a list post after that, as if to appear as he was helping town.
So I currently have a pretty strong scum read here.
If anyone has more insight into scott's play that might convince me otherwise, please feel free to do so.
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Hello everyone, will try to answer your questions as good as I can right now.
On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:Lean Scum: disinformation - Promises to read filters with no real result (imo). This post looks really weird:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2015 19:56 disformation wrote:ritoky: Your two pushes so were were easy pushes on me and y0su, both of which are newbies. Coincidence or looking for easy misslynches? You also seem to be defensive of superbia. Scum mate of yours? . disinformation calls y0su a misslynch, but does not have any opinion on y0su in his filter. TMI.
At first I was like *rolleyes*, really? Then I remembered that I was actually hesitating there and thinking about if should write misslynch or lynch. Talk about bad decisions, I seem to be good at them...
Nonetheless let me walk you through my thought process for this past of the post:
1) I had ritoky with a very weak town lean. y0su hadn't done much at that point, but I kind of read him as newbie town. This was a weak tone read, so I didn't write about that.
2) I read:
On May 03 2015 11:34 -Celestial- wrote:
ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays.
3) So I reread ritoky's filter and see that his only pushes were onto me and y0su. Both of who are newbies.
4) Not sure what to think about this, so I decide to poke ritoky to provoke some kind of reaction. So I can read him a bit better and decide if he is leaning town or scum for me.
5) So for the sake of my poke I assume that he is indeed mafia looking for easy prey. This is why I decided to ask him if he was pushing newbies because he is looking for easy misslynches.
6) his response:
On May 04 2015 01:45 ritoky wrote:
as for my "push" on you, if you think people pushing you to give definitive answers about your thoughts makes them scum, then you're going to spend the entire game lynching town.
Which I read as slightly annoyed, not defensive and making a lot of sense, so it made me conclude that I should keep my initial read of leaning town on ritoky.
On May 04 2015 14:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think he took our smiley face analysis a little too seriously and it makes him look like he's trying to keep up appearances. He's already a scumlean for me. If I had to vote, I would vote for scott, dis, or maaaybe shining but probably not
Haha xD
And I think you all are way 2 serious about my smilies...
On May 03 2015 10:42 disformation wrote:Damn. Forgot. =D Have some more:
Not sure how I managed to come across as serious with this... well, it kinda looks tryhard... Bleh... will probably note the whole smiley stuff down as a bad idea along with my "awesome" entry post. 
On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:
Lean Scum:
disinformation - Promises to read filters with no real result (imo).
You are referring to:
On May 04 2015 04:12 disformation wrote:Will reread scotts and the shinings filter to make sure I don't mess stuff up. sry I am with stupid.
Yes, I managed to not follow up on this. This is mainly due to rereading the filters and finding nothing what changed of my opinion. Which leads me directly to the next thing:
On May 04 2015 10:20 Superbia wrote:
- disinformation: ask why he thought y0su was a "misslynch". Pressure into giving reads. Watch for TMI.
Was planning on doing that today anyway.
Scott :
Still not looking good to me. Probably the one I would vote for if I had to right now.
The Shining:
Really short filter, at the time of writing that I will reread him (see aboive), there was not much to go on so he was boring null. Though I did like that he at least tried to put out some reads, even if he said that his d1 stuff isn't that great. Starts to look like a really frustrated towny as of this night. IE with:
On May 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Deal with it. I've been mislynched as town to lose games before. Its a crappy feeling. So I don't take kindly at all to being scummed or told you'd lynch me. Especially when you're not actually doing it. I'm probably more defensive as town than scum, oh well. Its your job to figure it out, not mine.
And D1 is a crap shoot for me. I'm sick of saying this. So yeah my most defensive stances and strongest scumreads are people who are saying they want to lynch me over absolutely nothing, when I know my alignment, and then put an lol before or after it to take away a bit of the seriousness, and then don't actually vote me or push me. Its a waste of time and detrimental to town moving forward.
Makes me want to not lynch him today.
Superbia :
Was getting a lot of mixed feelings early on from him. Didn't like:
On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D
And it feels strange that he didn't want to vote scott, who (surprise) is my highest scum read so far. Maybe I also just didn't like him, because he was one of the guys to point out that my entry was crap and I didn't understand why at first.
But I really like his push towards me. Shows he really pays attention, points things out and is not afraid of doing pushes. Looking damn towny for me as of right now. A shame he won't be around today.
prplhz :
I look at his filter and see nothing. I can easily picture him sitting in mafia QT and munching popcorn, since everyone seems to have forgotten about him.
HtS :
I've read student mafia vii http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii were I thought she was playing good (town). What I have seen here so far really didn't life up to my expectations. Not sure if really lazy mafia or really lazy town though. Hoping to see some good stuff from her today.
sicklucker :
Didn't like how he said he wouldn't be playing, but was in the thread being a bit distracting. Liking that he is now trying to participate and putting out thoughts. Still a bit suspicious but wouldn't lynch as of now.
-celestial- :
reading town here. Liked the persistent push on scott. Also really liked this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=505&topic_id=483492
because my reads where really similar at the time when it was posted.
Stutters :
See prplhz.
ticktoc :
not sure what to make of him as of right now. will read his filter this evening.
FF :
His tone is ultra town to me. A bit spamy. Will maybe have to reread him and look out for contributions, as per the line of ticktoc's thinking.
rikoty && y0su :
still leaning town, will look at them more and see what they have done lately.
geez so many ppl to keep track on. xD
I hope this post gives you some insight as to how my "thought" process is working. I will try to keep you updated more about changes in my reads in the future.
Did some bad/stupid things so far and can totally see why you would read me as a newbie/bad scum instead of a newbie/bad town. Will have to step up my game it seems. Good thing I have lots of room for improvement. xD
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On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:
The Shining:
Really short filter, at the time of writing that I will reread him (see aboive), there was not much to go on so he was boring null.
By null I meant in this case: "No idea how to read him, since I could see easily him go in both directions."
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On May 04 2015 21:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Because Scott isn't the only one with a poor first entry to be honest.
*cough* *cough*
Currently taking in your posts and celestials case...
Case looks incredibly solid. You have even more stuff on scott...
And he was my top scum read before...
Can't find a reason to not vote him... should probably head over to the voting thread and do so.
I feel like I need to think about superbia some more. As I was writing earlier I had a mixed feeling about him at the start, but I just gave him a bunch of credit for his push on me... after reading your post about him I am starting to get mixed feelings again.
Also looking forward to your other posts.
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On May 04 2015 22:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I want Superbia to respond when he's around.
I would like that, too, as I am greatly confused as to where I would place him right now.
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Okay, I will be available for (most) of the next 9 hours.
If anyone has questions regarding my huge wall post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=29#575) feel free to axe me some questions.
Meanwhile I'll look at some filters and the last pages, which seem really interesting.
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On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red.
Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase.
On May 04 2015 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:
I know you are new to the game, but someone making a scumread on someone early in the day and then pushing him throughout the day is considered a town tell across the board because it shows the person pushing the case believes in the case and he's not just faking it for survivability's sake.
If you think the reasoning behind the case is faulty (do you?) then that's another issue.
Regarding ritoky (and others) - as I said with sicklucker it's very possible to have a very poor entrance and then pick it up later on. Some people are good at spotting mafia off the first post, particularly the established players like marvellosity/Holyflare/JAT but this is a newbie game, so the calibre isn't expected to be the same.
Do you think ritoky looks bad from subsequent posts?
I really like this post because HtS both gives advice and at the same time tries to draw more information from him and be more exact with his reads. Starting to lean town on HtS.
On May 04 2015 22:47 y0su wrote:reg ritoky's subsequent posts... He starts loopy, get's straight but then it reverts a bit when ff brings it up Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 11:00 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 10:57 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 03 2015 10:52 ritoky wrote:
poopfeast420, what is your level of loathing of me? you have the pinkish hue of scumlean. Call me an ass but I think your 'loopiness' may be caused by rolling mafia too many times in a short period, rather than a flight oof, you have bad reads m8, u scum? He then posts in a normally but without much for me to get a read from. His T reads didn't have much to them except "they agreed with me". He's very dismissive of "poor reads" on him.. but I can't his comfort (not being defensive) comes from practice or being T. overall I just don't like his tone (but this is probably just personal and NAI)
Also regarding ritoky:
On May 03 2015 12:04 ritoky wrote:
ritoky, ff, -c-
we will start from here
He also appears very eager to place himself next to the person nearly everyone has a townboner for (FF) and someone who just did a huge push and is very easy to town as well. "Look how towny my nick looks in green."
Also just remembered that Superbia was asking The Shining about the links to his other games:
On May 04 2015 06:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:58 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. I like shining as scum too. I'm undecided on scott. I had him as town early on. I'm decently sure -c- is town here as well. Undecided on prp, but I liked his initial thoughts. Also agreed on FF being town. You never rescinded so ya, it was another time throwing scum after the HtS "slip". And sure, though they're all Newbie/Student games, and can be found with a little effort. Town/Blue games: Newbie Mini Mafia LXNewbie Mini Mafia LXINewbie Student Mafia VIIINewbie Student Mafia VIINewbie Student Mafia VIMy lone scum game: Student Mafia V
Was looking if Superbia mentioned these games in his list post entry of the shining and yes he did:
On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:
The Shining - Meh. I've said stuff about him before which kinda holds. His aggressiveness towards me feels kinda townish, as I don't really expect mafia to be aggro towards me (big ego), but they still might. His filter content wise feels very similar to his town filters, but he seems very bitter and sardonic this game, while in his other town games he is decently jokey and relaxed. Bitterness is a mafia tell. I am hesitant because this purely comes from his interactions with me.
So that is one townie brownie for superbia. Still suspicious of him though.
And before I forget again:
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On May 05 2015 00:29 ritoky wrote:
@disformation, what is the thing you dislike most about scott? also, if you're willing to vote on him then why aren't you now?
On May 04 2015 21:45 disformation wrote:
##Vote scott31337
Voting thread. I AM voting him.
As what I really disliked:
When -c- confronted him about posting misinformation he first is really aggressive:
On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:
So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh?
And then after he notices that -c- has a solid point on him he suddenly becomes ultra defensive:
On May 03 2015 12:31 scott31337 wrote:You are right - I did not check it until afterwards. I did not re-read the pre-game excuses until afterwards. That was my fault. I got better backing when I roll scum anyway - I wouldn't have made such a dumb mistake. We have plenty of time - we will have convincing arguments for you
a) That switch puts me off really hard.
b) That is a "too scum to be scum, please?" argument, which I am not buying at that point.
On May 03 2015 12:37 scott31337 wrote:
We=the townsfolk?
Pretty much in the same venue. He is digging himself into a hole imo...
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On May 05 2015 00:42 ritoky wrote:
man, why can't slam, damdred, hf, koshi, or sum1 i read really well be in this game....
that disform post, i really like the observation on superbia a LOT. but the top part where he is pre-emptively setting up for scott to flip town irks the living hell out of me.
Huh? Which part do you mean with setting up for scott flipping town? =/
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On May 05 2015 00:50 -Celestial- wrote:
scott's grand total contribution so far is to mindlessly accept Superbia's claim that HtS hadn't said anything in-thread about being away, jumping on sicklucker as a different lurker and then rapidly backpedalling on that when sicklucker actually came into the thread, townreading or neutral reading everyone and effectively OMGUSing me for calling him out as a mafia, lying in order to do so, before rapidly backtracking on the accusation and then trying to townread me because everyone else is doing it.
At the present he's not scumming anyone at all as far as I can tell. His last set of reads were Superbia and FF as town, Shining and y0su and me null leaning town, Ticktock null, you null leaning scum, sicklucker scum and everyone else null from lack of posts. But he rapidly backpedalled on that sicklucker accusation and vote, thus leaving his strongest negative read being you as null leaning scum which means he's just sitting in the middle ground and playing the game of "everyone is null or town, isn't that nice?" which is a gigantic red flag to me, especially since he doesn't seem to be pressuring anyone at all to actually get a scum read off anyone. If he's town he's not contributing anything worthwhile. But I severely doubt he's anything other than scum.
On May 05 2015 00:51 ritoky wrote:
This part. It could very well come from mafia trying to set up a place to dump the blame if the lynch is sour. You're making excuses/plans before the flip has occurred; tends to happen with some1 who has no confidence in their read or is trying to shove off the blame.
ALSO why you give me no credit for that "we" thing? That was totes me who found that. ROOD AS FUK!
Thank you both very much for your answers.
Thought process:
1. y0su seems suspicious of -c-. Let me reread the case again.
2. Case still seems super solid.
3. I find the part I quoted.
4. Well, if there was anything strange with that post I would be that part. Let us see if -c- has anything to say on that?
5. ...
6. Oh shit, what if scott should turn out townie? What should town do then?
Part of that maybe that I as a newbie are not that confident in my reads overall. Tbh not the most confident guy overall.
Though I should stop worrying. I just can't find anything that I read as town for scott...
And sry for not including your quote as the one who called out scott for the we thing.
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On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.
Yup. Also very interested in seeing, what, if anything he will do in the near future. Meanwhile your filter is also really short. Want to share some thoughts? Any reads on ritoky and ticktoc? You mentioned that you'd be willing to vote for scott. Does that still hold?
On May 05 2015 01:17 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 01:03 disformation wrote:
4. Well, if there was anything strange with that post I would be that part. Let us see if -c- has anything to say on that? I don't quite get what you're asking here. Please ask a direct question with a quote and I'll answer.
I was trying to explain my thought process for this post:
On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red. Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase.
Which you already answered to.
So everything fine.
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EBWOP:
So everything IS fine.
Starting to feel tired, didn't sleep well last two nights.
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Ah while we are at it...
On May 03 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:
Stutters695 :
You were around for a bit, but my list on you is empty and your filter is really short. Give us something more to work with? How bad do you think scott looks now? Any idea of who you would lynch as of now? Scum reads?
On May 04 2015 04:08 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 03:21 -Celestial- wrote:
On a side note unless we seriously get some solid reads out of Stutters695 soon I'm going to start scumming him just for completely ignoring my repeated requests for sets of reads. He also didn't answer my questions for him, so I agree on that.
On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:
prplhz :
I look at his filter and see nothing. I can easily picture him sitting in mafia QT and munching popcorn, since everyone seems to have forgotten about him.
Stutters :
See prplhz.
On May 05 2015 01:24 disformation wrote:Yup. Also very interested in seeing, what, if anything he will do in the near future. Meanwhile your filter is also really short. Want to share some thoughts? Any reads on ritoky and ticktoc? You mentioned that you'd be willing to vote for scott. Does that still hold?
Guess how many answers I counted so far.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sure he did a short note on scott, ff and prplhz.
But I will expect to see some real action D2.
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Yeah, wanting a secondary target for voting logic makes sense to me.
Superbia is kinda meh to me. As I said in my earlier posts I got a bad vibe from him, but was able to find towny stuff from him (good push onto me, following up on the shining meta read.) So I don't want to lynch him right now.
I don't like Stutters and prplhz lurking around doing nothing, but not sure if I would right off lynch them of that. Maybe I could lynch Stutters because his whole "being here, but contributing 0" does annoy me a lot. Like I don't even see him trying.
Kinda suspicious of sicklucker. No idea how to read ticktoc. Maybe I'll look into these two for a bit.
Also I am kinda expecting the Mafia to bus scott at this point... if I was be mafia!scott I would tell my mates to bus me hard.
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On May 05 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:looked @ ticktock's filter: Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 19:40 Tictock wrote:
I'm having a hard time deciding who I want to vote for as well.
Scott is still the most appealing case, even though I have some doubts.
I'm tempted to make a case against prp but there just isn't enough to go on. I just don't like his dismissive post regarding how he "spams town" normally and says he isn't around. If he is legit too busy to play a town would likely replace, this seems more like a scum excuse to skate by day 1.
Unfortunately that's all I have as prp, as well as several other ppl, just aren't active enough to make real reads on.
this post strikes me as odd...he is having a hard time deciding who to vote for, yet he thinks 1 guy is scum and the other guy is inactive and that's his two top scum reads? seems like not a hard decision there. i don't really understand where his hesitancy is coming from here.
Hmm. He posted:
On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either.
A bit earlier.
So I reconstruct his train of thought as follows:
1. scott looked really bad
2. he starts to look better now
3. well, he still looks the worst, but I am having some doubts because he was starting to look better for a while
Since he is a fellow newbie he might not be confident in his reads at all? Maybe he is not confident with bussing his teammate?
But his filter is also really short. Granted he has gained some attention for questioning the general town read on FF... but he really needs to give us more to work with. Could see him swinging either way right now. =/
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On May 05 2015 06:02 scott31337 wrote:
I just glanced at the VCA and I'm going with my suspicion that disformation may be scum. He's in a third-trying to fit in vote - and then ritoky asked about it - among the seriousness of his smileys and defensiveness. If there's a cop I would check him.
##Vote: Disformation
I do straight up not understand what you are trying to say.
" He's in a third-trying to fit in vote " what should this sentence tell me?
What has it to do with my smile stuff?
Why is that supposed to be enough to vote for me?
I am seriously confused.
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On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote:Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town 
Going to bite: So, If you were not voting scott. Who would you vote and why?
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