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On May 07 2015 07:04 ritoky wrote:
y0su's reason for greening me is bad. his reads are too conformy, and i don't buy his remorse and what i said would have changed his vote line all that much. you fighting with him and bit and pushing on eachother doesn't feel like 2 town fighting. 1 of you is mafia. for you being mafia, would take more time and capabilities to explain.
On May 07 2015 07:09 ritoky wrote:
hm that made no sense. y0su doing cool stuff that i like to scum read me, i TR him, he softens on me cuz of my TR, he then greens me for bad reason, i no like.
On May 10 2015 03:49 ritoky wrote:
Also idk if y0su is mafia will have to read more later, but didn't he actually consider my claim? That makes him less likely in my mind
If you're town you have a lot of double standards. You scummed him earlier for being too conformy and then he just sheeps tictock's read on sicklucker. He towned him early d1, and it was on a read that things have changed since.
On May 10 2015 22:34 y0su wrote:I like TT's points about SL + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 05:25 y0su wrote:
Right now I think I'm most willing to vote SL. I'm really disappointed in his d2 content and reasons for voting super. (yes I have super red, but not for the same reasons - I feel like he's doing the most to confuse town) TS could still slip into a tie with prp.
Superbia has since been confirmed town, and this is what he quoted FIVE HOURS AGO from his own thoughts FOUR DAYS AGO. He's not even critically looking at sicklucker. At least not that I could find in his filter.
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On May 11 2015 04:07 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 03:58 Superbia wrote:
Like ritoky might be fooling me here but I think he's town. I've never seen anyone get away with being so indecisive and inconclusive without being called on it honestly; and I read a fair few games over Christmas ahead of playing in LX. I think its because he's posted "stuff" without posting anything of real value. If he's town he's been basically useless for this entire game. He's done jack to help and has successfully got a significant number of people reading him in their PoE list. But nah, he's obviously town, because he says so.
Idk, maybe you're right. But that doesn't necessarily makes him town. I do agree that his town filter usually is a bit more proactive, but the interactions between mafia and him feel too genuine for him to be mafia. Also I feel like ritoky would be the first to bus prp.
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I took a hard look at the manner at which y0su considered your claim ritoky. Honestly he could be saying that as either alignment. Several others who reflected on that situation had similar sentiments.
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On May 11 2015 04:06 Superbia wrote:
I don't believe prp is scum because the wagon on him so obviously contains mafia.
prp made himself the easiest bus in the entire universe by doing quite literally nothing for the entire game. Kinda illustrates how screwed he was at that point, really.
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On May 11 2015 04:07 Superbia wrote:
Oh and because he kinda mindmelded with certain stuff, but that's probably because he had tmi. z_z
This is exactly why I hate the mindmelding argument.
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On May 11 2015 04:14 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:07 Superbia wrote:
Oh and because he kinda mindmelded with certain stuff, but that's probably because he had tmi. z_z This is exactly why I hate the mindmelding argument.
Yeah probably gonna re-eval my early town based on this game. My d1 is usually quite meh.
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On May 11 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:
I took a hard look at the manner at which y0su considered your claim ritoky. Honestly he could be saying that as either alignment. Several others who reflected on that situation had similar sentiments.
To elaborate on this - you (ritoky) said that "a newbie couldn't think of this situation" to be fair presuming he's scum, he's on a scumteam with two vets and a coach, as town he has one, we know jack all what's being said to him and he's playing out a list of hypotheticals. Which can be done as either alignment.
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On May 11 2015 04:11 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:07 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 03:58 Superbia wrote:
Like ritoky might be fooling me here but I think he's town. I've never seen anyone get away with being so indecisive and inconclusive without being called on it honestly; and I read a fair few games over Christmas ahead of playing in LX. I think its because he's posted "stuff" without posting anything of real value. If he's town he's been basically useless for this entire game. He's done jack to help and has successfully got a significant number of people reading him in their PoE list. But nah, he's obviously town, because he says so. Idk, maybe you're right. But that doesn't necessarily makes him town. I do agree that his town filter usually is a bit more proactive, but the interactions between mafia and him feel too genuine for him to be mafia. Also I feel like ritoky would be the first to bus prp.
I assume you mean scum where you say town the first time there.
Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. What I do know is that we would literally be at the exact same point we are now if he hadn't played at all. :-\
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Which is why, ritoky, I'm not at all sold on y0su being town. I'm most concerned about his read progression.
Compare that to tictock and (flipped medic) disinformation.
He's also asking a load of questions and not seeing much conclusions and you even called him comformy yourself. You should examine whether this is happening again as he's voting sicklucker.
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On May 11 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:
I took a hard look at the manner at which y0su considered your claim ritoky. Honestly he could be saying that as either alignment. Several others who reflected on that situation had similar sentiments. To elaborate on this - you (ritoky) said that "a newbie couldn't think of this situation" to be fair presuming he's scum, he's on a scumteam with two vets and a coach, as town he has one, we know jack all what's being said to him and he's playing out a list of hypotheticals. Which can be done as either alignment.
i think the more pertinent point is about his reads, but you could be right. also i didn't know stutters was a vet?
i just expected the shot on the real doc to come from someone like you who didn't even acknowledge my claim really.
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On May 11 2015 04:17 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:11 Superbia wrote:On May 11 2015 04:07 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 03:58 Superbia wrote:
Like ritoky might be fooling me here but I think he's town. I've never seen anyone get away with being so indecisive and inconclusive without being called on it honestly; and I read a fair few games over Christmas ahead of playing in LX. I think its because he's posted "stuff" without posting anything of real value. If he's town he's been basically useless for this entire game. He's done jack to help and has successfully got a significant number of people reading him in their PoE list. But nah, he's obviously town, because he says so. Idk, maybe you're right. But that doesn't necessarily makes him town. I do agree that his town filter usually is a bit more proactive, but the interactions between mafia and him feel too genuine for him to be mafia. Also I feel like ritoky would be the first to bus prp. I assume you mean scum where you say town the first time there. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. What I do know is that we would literally be at the exact same point we are now if he hadn't played at all. :-\
Yeah. I'm quite tired.
I agree, he probably can't live through this game. =/ But for now I don't think he's the most likely lynch.
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On May 11 2015 04:14 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:07 Superbia wrote:
Oh and because he kinda mindmelded with certain stuff, but that's probably because he had tmi. z_z This is exactly why I hate the mindmelding argument.
Also the reason that the "their reads match up with my reads" argument is so, so dangerous as one to cling onto. It is most definitely not strongly indicative of anything at all and can be deceptive. :-\
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EoD's at midnight, right? Alright, I really do need to get going but I'll be back.
I think my concerns are quite clear on both players, but my vote stays on y0su.
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On May 11 2015 04:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:On May 11 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:
I took a hard look at the manner at which y0su considered your claim ritoky. Honestly he could be saying that as either alignment. Several others who reflected on that situation had similar sentiments. To elaborate on this - you (ritoky) said that "a newbie couldn't think of this situation" to be fair presuming he's scum, he's on a scumteam with two vets and a coach, as town he has one, we know jack all what's being said to him and he's playing out a list of hypotheticals. Which can be done as either alignment. i think the more pertinent point is about his reads, but you could be right. also i didn't know stutters was a vet? i just expected the shot on the real doc to come from someone like you who didn't even acknowledge my claim really.
I think scum is less likely to contest the doctor thing tbh. Especially after I had stutters in my sights. I think last scum wants to lay down low. A passing remark may be expected.
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On May 11 2015 04:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Which is why, ritoky, I'm not at all sold on y0su being town. I'm most concerned about his read progression.
Compare that to tictock and (flipped medic) disinformation.
He's also asking a load of questions and not seeing much conclusions and you even called him comformy yourself. You should examine whether this is happening again as he's voting sicklucker.
i mean, you're the newb whisperer if i remember right, so if superbia really thinks you're town i might just defer to your read here.
i just think he is a guy who can't keep up with the entirety of the game and doesn't have perfect consistency in his line of thinking. i can relate as i have not exactly been the paragon of decisiveness this game.
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ritoky who would you want to kill today?
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On May 11 2015 04:19 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:17 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 04:11 Superbia wrote:On May 11 2015 04:07 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 03:58 Superbia wrote:
Like ritoky might be fooling me here but I think he's town. I've never seen anyone get away with being so indecisive and inconclusive without being called on it honestly; and I read a fair few games over Christmas ahead of playing in LX. I think its because he's posted "stuff" without posting anything of real value. If he's town he's been basically useless for this entire game. He's done jack to help and has successfully got a significant number of people reading him in their PoE list. But nah, he's obviously town, because he says so. Idk, maybe you're right. But that doesn't necessarily makes him town. I do agree that his town filter usually is a bit more proactive, but the interactions between mafia and him feel too genuine for him to be mafia. Also I feel like ritoky would be the first to bus prp. I assume you mean scum where you say town the first time there. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. What I do know is that we would literally be at the exact same point we are now if he hadn't played at all. :-\ Yeah. I'm quite tired. I agree, he probably can't live through this game. =/ But for now I don't think he's the most likely lynch.
Like I posted the other day, at this point I feel its probably either ritoky or y0su. I wasn't too bothered about which order we lynch them in but right now ritoky has severely hacked me off so I'm voting him first. *shrug*
Of course if one gets lynched and the other gets shot then the game gets interesting again. But that never happens because correct mafia play if both are mislynches is to shoot somebody else and let town run with the two mislynches.
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probably shining or SL would be my first considerations. i don't have any particular case on them at this point in time, but by PoE i am down to y0su, hts, sl, and shining....if you think hts is town then i will ignore her for now. and i just think y0su is the low hanging fruit newb. so we are left with sl or shining.
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On May 11 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:
probably shining or SL would be my first considerations. i don't have any particular case on them at this point in time, but by PoE i am down to y0su, hts, sl, and shining....if you think hts is town then i will ignore her for now. and i just think y0su is the low hanging fruit newb. so we are left with sl or shining.
Yeah, idk. My mind keeps going back to shining but his filter seems okay-ish.
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On May 11 2015 04:28 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:
probably shining or SL would be my first considerations. i don't have any particular case on them at this point in time, but by PoE i am down to y0su, hts, sl, and shining....if you think hts is town then i will ignore her for now. and i just think y0su is the low hanging fruit newb. so we are left with sl or shining. Yeah, idk. My mind keeps going back to shining but his filter seems okay-ish.
ctrl + f stutters in shining's filter. leads to interesting results.
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