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On April 18 2015 09:49 Trfel wrote: Um, I'm no longer confident that you know Damdred Damdred is a good player lol. | ||
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Okay so find scum, lynch scum ,and find more scum after that any objections to my plan? | ||
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On April 19 2015 10:36 Damdred wrote: Not really disappointing Scott. I have a special soft spot and you landed on the rock hard part of my soul but there is redemption for all but scum. LS are we friends this game? Maybe just bleed town for me please? <3 | ||
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On April 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote: I object. We need to lynch the more scum as well, and then find even more scum, and then lynch even more scum. Then we are okay to stop lynching scum. You objected yet your plan is similar? (Facepalms) | ||
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On April 19 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote: I don't have to bleed green ls because I am the town no proof needed. Now ls your plan was missing the second and third scum lynches which shows you want to bus your mates I thought it obvious we repeat it multiple times lol. Also what you mean no proof needed for you to be town? | ||
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On April 19 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote: You are the meta king ls I need no proof here, as I will lynch all scum. Though your response is interesting as you didn't even comment on the bussing joke...maybe a bit to close to the truth I figured it was a joke since I talked to Tfrel on Skype(For us to play LoL and SC2 HOTS) last night about how I go full Romanian sometimes on jokes here on TL so ofc I would expect him to be cheeky with that. | ||
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On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote: Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game. Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am. Tone read the people you played with in your last game? | ||
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On April 19 2015 11:31 Damdred wrote: LS a wise palmar once said you are like a mirror. Its not even that you don't get jokes sometimes you didn't even respond and ignored it when usually you would remind us how much cuter you are than GB and are a town puppy. Ls is my first scum candidate of the game. Truffel is uninteresting so far He was scum though that game. Also my Town Puppy thing isn't alignment indicative since I did as both alignments. | ||
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On April 19 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote: He was scum though that game. Also my Town Puppy thing isn't alignment indicative since I did it as both alignments. EBWOP: Grammar fixed. | ||
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On April 19 2015 11:41 Damdred wrote: But he speaks the truth you are honest to a fault and not responding shows you have something to hide. Which is sad I got nothing to hide and I trying not to overreact to jokes as I usually had blown out jokes way out of proportions to often and I normally get scumread for it. | ||
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On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote: LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together  LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? | ||
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On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote: Awesome good morning to you! I agree with your reads so far my only addition I guess would be Bill Murray, plotspot and cakepies inactivity. I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. And you seem just as town as anybody else to me so far. I see you have plenty of mafia experiance on TL so I was wondering what you think about Scott's pressure vote on dwarf since he also has plenty of experiance? This happened to dwarf last game too and he ended up being mislynched from not making a very good defence for himself. So is not pressure voting noobies often counter productive? It was a terrible pressure vote if he was doing it for pressure he shouldn't say it's for pressure but it will be counter productive. Pressure voting can be good sometimes bad depending on the person. | ||
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On April 19 2015 22:38 Damdred wrote: You didn't give a read on me sadly LS. I think Trfel is a good shot at Scum, shining is town. That's yummy I thought I had you Null because you are a good player O_o | ||
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On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote: I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. I didn't say he was town...... | ||
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On April 19 2015 22:46 Damdred wrote: Lol I'm obviously town and I'm not in your post tsk Anyway what else do you think ls We got lots of inactives O_o | ||
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On April 19 2015 23:07 Damdred wrote: LS have you ever played with Scott before? He replaced into a game I was in (Newbie LX) when his slot was scum. | ||
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On April 19 2015 23:41 Damdred wrote: Oh yea? What was he like there LS and know of any other games I think that's his only game on TL. I might be wrong on that. | ||
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On April 19 2015 23:45 LightningStrike wrote: I think that's his only game on TL. I might be wrong on that. Also he was pushing a ton and giving original ideas out. He also posted a ton for a Night/Day Phase for a new scum player. | ||
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On April 19 2015 23:55 Damdred wrote: Oh yea? Can you show me some of that LS? And does it look like here sorta? Well he had a 1 Page filter but a single Day/Night Phase (He replaced in late into the Night Phase) but some posts that he made that I considered townie when he was scum: On January 11 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote: gg bud - So let's look over what rsolutin says - I think the shining is a better lynch though and I'll explain why - So The Shining voted on both mislynches, and never changed his vote. His reasoning for voting LightningStrike was pretty weak, IMO – Day 1 Final Vote Count jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial- LightningStrike (2): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle Gumdrop (0): Tubesock TheWarWaffle (5): rsoultin,LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock, The Shining Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle ExO_ (1): Gumdrop, The Shining The Shining (3): Half the Sky,Trfel, jarjarbinks Day 2 LightningStrike (7): The Shining, jarjarbinks, -Celestial-, Tubesock, Half the Sky, ExO_, rsoultin The Shining (0): LightningStrike -Celestial- (1): ExO_, LightningStrike, Tubesock, ExO_, rsoultin, Silverarte ExO_ (1): LightningStrike Not Voting (1): Gumdrop http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=31#608 He AFK votes himself on LS, and says himself “mafia like to afk the vote.” Is he trying to blend in? He doesn’t listen to reason to change his vote, either. He's just running some meta information - trying to stay under the radar. Here he's trying to say "Well I read Rsoultin is leaning town" and adds a bunch of keywords and fluff. He doesn't have any solid reads in his filter (and it's extremely small, trying to blend in)- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=The Shining It's lylo 5-3, so we need to hit today or we're screwed guys. ## Vote: The Shining On January 11 2015 10:57 scott31337 wrote: Tubesock - I'm trying to feel your point of view on Silverante (beyond the uselessness I see). Do you think she's a better lynch then Shining? The rest of his posts were lots of questions regarding reads and talking about cases from other people. | ||
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He just pressure voting you without actually saying the exact words. | ||
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On April 20 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote: What do you think of truffle ignoring me ls Odd but that alone wouldn't make him scum if he's scum. | ||
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No where it just antitown thing to do. | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:14 The Shining wrote: Yeah that's already been addressed. Let's hope it's just the weekend. League playoffs between TSM and C9. I'm off of here for an hr or two. 2-1 TSM I think C9 will get on tilt now lol. On Topic now: Thoughts on BM and scott? | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:40 The Shining wrote: LS you reading? I have a post addressing BM. Scott has been in and out of thread. Some preliminary reads and looks like he's willing to interact. I'm not sure I like him dropping the TBD pressure that early, since TBD only has a few posts but nothing solid that looks town imo, but revisiting his read strikes me me as townie, since he had no reason to do so. Scott, who you looking into right now? Besides BM. Okay I didn't see your earlier post regarding BM and I agree on the fact it was a bad idea to mass claim and him blue hunting was bad too. Also+ Show Spoiler [TSM vs C9] + TSM won 3-1 vs C9 and TSM will go to MSI :O | ||
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On April 20 2015 09:23 The Shining wrote: I KNOOOOWWWWWWW. TSM TSM TSM TSM *thrashes around happily* C9 deff went on tilt. And ok, have you seen anything weird regarding Scott? Why'd you ask me about him? I saw you give a few examples of him making "townie" posts when he played us as scum. Are you seeing that now? Not as much that's why I was asking you about him. He seemed much more brave with his pressure vote on TheBloodDwarf and his pressure did absolutely nothing. He seem to be posting more than he did in Newbie LX so he could be town just a poorly executed way of doing a pressure vote. | ||
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@Cake: What are your reads atm and explain them please? | ||
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@Damdred: Do you think Tfrel is Mafia? @scott: Why you voting BM? | ||
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On April 21 2015 01:51 Trfel wrote: You were saying? LightningStrike, what do you think of my case on Bourneq? I don't like I would argue he just trying new things (sheeping the thread sentiment) because he's still new and probably doesn't got a clue on to do stuff so sheeping would be a good option for that. | ||
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On April 21 2015 04:06 The Shining wrote: Yeah BM's off my lynch list for now. I skimmed to catch up so I'm going to reread but off of first impressions, I don't like Scott's OMGUS. And Cake doesn't look any better from that last post. Still don't think I'd lynch him but it's becoming more likely. Especially plynch voting Plot after being against his own plynch. Hypocrisy. Trfel - Suspicious of/scums Bourne - Damdred - BM - LS. You've been suspicious of a good percentage of the game already. At what point does it go from scumhunting to town paranoia to scum flinging scum every which way? Right when I was about to respond to your post and read progression on Bourne, I've got a whole new case on LS to address now. LoL. How many times has LS been mislynched for this in the past? He even mentioned it himself this game. "I usually get scummed for my list posts." But I'm who asked him for it so I won't scum him for it. I got mislynched 3 times. Once in MYLO in Metal Mini the other two were on Day 1/ Day 2 area (Campus and Newbie LX). I got scumread by Koshi for a list post in Office Mini and in Slytherin by a few people if I recalled. | ||
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On April 21 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote: yeh that doesn't make him mafia sorry ls :D :D :D+ Show Spoiler + Don't talk about on going games bro | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:46 Damdred wrote: @LS I ust had a delicious amount of Chinese with my lovely wife i'm in a good mood. As such i'm going to take my time and tell you how much I enjoy you being in games because you are a breath of fresh air at times. As such I will answer you openly and honestly, Trfel is either town tunneling for dumb reason or scum. I'm leaning on the second but its still a bit vague in my mind currently and I would much rather lynch cake for the reasons I posted an the reason that bm posted actively lurking is decent but i'd rather not put that into my case though I did make mention of it. Now i'm going to pay special attention to the scott case and see what I think, because corporation is key Wonderful to hear you in a good mood! Well I agree with you on your thing on Tfrel he just not being Tfrel like and his case on me seems forced. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:59 Damdred wrote: zzzz must of been scum here to. wait he was town. Like I said in guardians that's not how you read ls I think that was Day 1 of Slytherin when someone asked me for my reads on everyone. | ||
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On April 21 2015 05:58 Damdred wrote: Explain to me how cake is a policy lynch LS? and What content of cakes was decent? Cake is just inactive but here were some posts I had liked from him: On April 20 2015 14:56 cakepie wrote: Before anything else, what the heck, I'm not allowed to refresh the thread on the side while filter diving and working on my reads? Feels like my play style doesn’t fit the meta these days or something. ----- Since I got a late start to the game, I’ll start by bringing a new, different observation of my own, and try to avoid rehashing things that people have already brought up. Scott asked me about LightningStrike -- who turns out to be squarely null+ -- engaged and forthcoming, a bit better than most, and not particularly controversial or swingy. What’s interesting, though, is that looking over LS and his interactions, a lot of it is with Damdred, who on closer inspection feels like he may be trying to get chummy with LS. And why so eager to know how LS reads him so early on? Not blatant red flag -- might just be a product of who’s around and active to talk to early game, or just a meta thing between people who’ve played together -- I don’t know most of the newer players. Also certainly not to trying to draw associations. Just a thing I noticed, smells a bit fishy, not concrete, but may be worth keeping an eye on. ----- Now for something else that feel I must address and make my opinion known, even at the risk of rebleating someone else: Trfel’s huegpost: some people have pointed to it as not alignment indicative, BM flagged it as scumandeering. I feel it is somewhere between the two, south of null. Certainly, the hypothetical scum motivation is there: gaining cred for little substance, and swaying the favor of newbie players. Town motivation, much harder to justify -- sure, it’s a newbie game, but we are in-game and this is not the venue for dumping guides and glossaries -- there are resources out there for that. Feels almost pretentious, trying to tell people how to play. Of course, clearly the post was premeditated before the game even started, and he has some history of making similar posts, though not quite as big, so that’s what nudges it away from being an outright red flag for me. Make attention grabbing huegpost? Okay, you have my attention, but now what are you going to do with it? If you want to try to take the reins and lead town -- fine by me, I don’t judge that in itself either way. But if you put yourself in the spotlight, expect scrutiny, that’s only fair. On April 20 2015 17:06 cakepie wrote: OWS, If there’s one thing that really seems out of place to me, it would be BM’s mass claim proposal / “blue hunt” -- quite simply, it doesn’t add up. I’m well aware that he has a bit of a reputation, but the situation still reeks of exceedingly weird. Hypothesize he is scum motivated? I don’t think noob game means people are dumb enough to fall for the straight up blue hunt. Town motivated? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t get any passes for not knowing the setup, or trying for “60% if no counterclaim”. Some kind of test to gauge reactions? Not apparent that is the case either. Occam’s razor would prefer obvious scum here. Onegu mentioned “too scummy to be scum, doesnt work” [as a defense] and my NMM33 experience would tend to agree that usually too obvious scum = scum. As things stand now, if deadline was in a couple of hours and we had to consolidate already, I’d probably vote BM. It’s not a new case by any means, but that’s the strongest read I have. ----- Didn’t see much of the “too friendly” type interaction elsewhere, but one other thing that stood out for me is when Trfel seemed really hung up about Damdred’s opinion/thoughts process re: himself here and then again at the end here despite Damdred already addressing it here, I think. Caring too hard about what people think about yourself is a bit of a scumtell. I prefer to take my time to read, deliberate, and draft. I tend to have a relatively shorter filter. That’s just how I am. But if you can see past the superficiality of post count and such and find something of value in my play, perhaps we can avoid this potential mislynch. Lynch all lurkers (sometimes, liars) ----- Well, I’m not going to post a huge ordered list or give townreads and help scum prioritize out who to kill off. And it should not be surprising at this stage of D1 to be looking at a lot of null± among moderately active players. I’ve given my strongest read and voiced a couple of my suspicions, and though the latter are a bit more swingy and hard to place for now, with their activity, we’ll have more to work with as we go. Unfortunately, with my fairly limited experience, D1 still feels like a crapshoot, barring some really obvious slip or discrepancy from someone. I think BM fits the bill best here. (see what I did there?) ----- Re: Shining’s point on Trfel->Bourneq, I think it’s quite plausible for Trfel to be more of “happy to leave Bourneq alone for now” until a second look when the apparent opinion shift happened, which really got his attention / aroused his suspicion. ----- ... and too slow again apparently. =( He put a lot thoughs into these two posts I doubt a new scum player would make these rather large posts. | ||
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On April 21 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote: Hes not really new though LS... Anyway I got raid to do, He only had 3 games under his belt and he was only town in those games. | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote: Way to waste your vote with tied wagons? Because I don't like either of these lynches. | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:06 Holyflare wrote: ls plz don't be mafia I not Mafia I truly didn't like either wagon honestly. I don't vote for people I don't are scum. | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't see how this matters. He let both wagons build up, analyzed them, did absolutely nothing with the reads he came up with and voted on some alternative wagon that was never going to get lynched for incredibly flimsy reasons. Still megascummy. Like I said I don't vote for people I don't think are scum and the fact that Tfrel hammered the guy he hard defended early is terrible. If Tfrel flips Mafia Scott is Mafia based on the way Tfrel hammered a townie he hard defended earlier. Plus I was getting vides of him being Mafia due to the fact that he posted similar educational stuff in his last student game that I had played with him when he was scum (Student V). | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote: Ls where did you go? I don't even know who you scum read properly. Just lots of town reads on main wagons into afk. Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia? | ||
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Why Holyflare? I don't see much of UnHolyflare here O_o | ||
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On April 21 2015 13:47 LeiNadk wrote: Few more comments: Long time ago, early in the game, LS posted this read: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? To which I responded with: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote: I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. LS, you said this: + Show Spoiler + I'm confused with that because you said, "he looks townie here to(o) so null." Why did he look townie? And I'm sorry to Damdred for taking so long. I am surprised you didn't push for my answer though. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote: Explain your read on Scott lei I just woke up to find this post that I going to answer now: I think for some people it's alignment indicative if they post more as town compared to their scum game but the only way I can scott being scum is if he's scum with Tfrel due to what happened at EoD. | ||
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On April 22 2015 04:34 Bill Murray wrote: I'm completely fine voting LS he seems to not really like me and I don't find him to be a valuable asset to the town. I have also noticed some weird wording and it seems like if we had a cop claim as town he would be the scum to counterclaim. this interaction is weird between damdred and LS. ahahaha dont ever go full romanian you won't ever come back "check everything out" softclaim? yet more weird wording from LS and Damdred another softclaim from LS i have suspicions he's cop so if we have a medic they need to be on LS I'm not blue I just a VT and hating the blue hunting you did earlier in Day 1. Also idk why you thought I softed blue because I almost always say I will check everything out regardless of my alignment. Check all the games in my database plus JOAT,XXX and Guardians for you sample my play as both alignments  | ||
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Were you that smurf in XXX? | ||
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On April 22 2015 05:03 Bill Murray wrote: you werent in XXX dude Oh wrong XXX I was refering to This game. | ||
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On April 22 2015 05:04 Bill Murray wrote: im just messing with you. I realize you were in a mini that stole the name of one of the most epic TL Mafias Oh lol. | ||
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On April 22 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote: LightningStrike, when I look at your filter, it seems that your only real scumread is me. This isn't a problem in and of itself, but I would like to have you explain why you don't see anyone else as scummy? I already got scott as one if you are scum based on EoD stuff going down. I still struggling on the 3rd person to be scum with you and scott if you both are scum. | ||
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On April 22 2015 05:36 Trfel wrote: But you can worry about that if I flip scum, there is no sense worrying about it now. Ignoring me, do you have any other scum suspects? Maybe Onegu he haven't done much with his posts but I do remember being bad as either alignment though. Also his VT claim isn't alignment indicative anymore since he cashed in that in XXX Mini. | ||
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On April 22 2015 10:05 Holyflare wrote: yeh that almost never comes from mafia lol and if it did he'd be saving scott who would have been a way better shot for you since trfel would have been a 2nd mafia if scott flipped mafia The only way I saw Scott as Mafia was if he was Mafia with Tfrel. | ||
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On April 22 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote: LS - So as much as I think this was a bad shot, I can see your reasoning... :/ Espically when we agreed at Bourneq last night (Although Bourneq had a pretty good defense) Me and Trfel we're having the same thoughts and connecting well. So since your conftown now, Could you give your thoughts on the rest of the game? Do you still think I'm scum LS? --- Obi - I've reread your filter, and although you point in townie directions - I'm not seeing your reads. You said HF was possible scum and rescinded that read - Damd is town? Onegu? -- My thoughts - HF is actually participating in the game, better then his one post replacement. I didn't see too much in LeiNadk's "case" though, just a lot of quotes and asking about TBD, which I responded to. Onegu has not changed much - when I said earlier I thought I knew what his plan was, I thought he was scraping under the radar. Now that we have LS as the Vig, that idea is out the window. I don't think your scum now. I can prob do a Onegu lynch atm but it seems my reads are bad this game. | ||
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On April 23 2015 11:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: How did I not want to discuss my vote? I was asking people to look at it repeatedly and I kept asking people to elaborate on why LS was town. Because I am the unCCed Vig. | ||
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On April 23 2015 11:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I know that now. I'm talking about the night sequence while you were still unclaimed. Damdred pretty much described what I do as Mafia compared to my play here :O | ||
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On April 23 2015 12:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You are killing me LS. At least have a scumread or vote someone or something. Just woke up and saw this post from OWS. OWS This game is very inactive I do much better at finding scum in active games tbh with you. Also anyone noticed Shining fell off hard posting wise? Lei is new so I will give a bit of a pass since the posts he did looks townie esp his case during the night. Scott also fell off hard in terms of posting? | ||
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On April 24 2015 03:29 Holyflare wrote: maybe i'm biased but i don't think it's ridiculous if you see i'm pushing it So you saying we should lynch OWS? | ||
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I know Damdred is much better player than this when he's town even on his worst game I played with him he wasn't this bad. If he's town I might commit Sudoku.##Vote: Damdred | ||
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On April 25 2015 02:25 Holyflare wrote: Since when do we follow dead people's reads? :p Since the dawn of time :O | ||
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