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On April 21 2015 10:05 Damdred wrote: Scott and trfel are probably scum here. THANK YOU for realizing that ive been seeing them buddy all day | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm going to be kind of annoyed if I called maf!scott out a page in and let him go. ... | ||
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On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote: You know, this setup seems absurdly scum favored upon looking at it. We REALLY Don't need a mislynch on me. IF anyone would come around right now, I would greatly enjoy some discussion. As it is, though, I am doing some filter diving. Speaking of scumteams I thought 1) we had 9 players and there were 2 scum 2) it was Cop/Doc/Goon/Goon 3) I am actually relatively confirmed village idiot at this point But you all can go ahead and lynch me I'm not even going to doublevote on someone to get the vote off of me I don't see this guy as being scum. The last part of his post is more of a "theory posed as a question" There is a guy on this website named Foolishness, who, in the prime of his mafia playing, wasn't the best mafia player. He was great as town, but as mafia, he would emulate his blue play, possibly subconsciously, and coast through D1 to D2 before he would start posting. As VT however the guy would be posting this huge ass posts detailing the possibility of entire scumteams I still don't think this guy should be lynched, even when he's making fun of me. I feel like he is just a bored VT. ##vote: Scott31337 IIoA, AtA, AtS, voting obvious bored townie Scott has been giving any bit of off topic information, or even on topic information, without actually doing analysis. I will highlight this now: Even in his most scumhunting sounding post, he chooses to word it as "is viewed as scummy" as opposed to "is scummy". His previous scumhunting analysis is a whopping "meh"... literally. He literally says that. What can we get out of someone saying "meh" ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null" Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever. More IIoA. Bringing up a topic and not even answering it. He defers. When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town" He then goes onto the worst of his IIoA and becomes a human library trying to throw a link out to get suspicion off himself. He is feigning helpfulness as scum and this post also highlights my next talking point, his AtA. AtA = appealing to authority. He is sucking up to what he views as the better players haha he is also trying to butt in anytime the moderator is brought up in his most recent post with a forced question about someone he has had no discussion about or analysis of (asked towards cakepie about LightningStrike) this is there because CakePie has actually been shrugging off his scum aura and shining forth in the spotlight more. He has actually become a very helpful member of town. The reason Scott is doing this is scum motivated. He wants a list of reads from Cakepie to see whether or not he should be killing him tonight. If Scott himself is lower on that list, bam, the cake is a lie. There are other explanations here including his not understanding the meta of the thread, coaching, actual analysis etc but I feel like, given his earlier posting, he is using this as AtA and judging where cake stands on the issue for negative reasons. And here he appeals to statistics. He has the worst reaction of anyone to my trying to get some plan rolling. Town can't afford to have this sort of plan but people who are town are going to largely mull it over. Upon reading this I'm sure you all are thinking to yourself "well he's right" but in mafia it doesnt matter whether or not you are right it matters what you can get your friendly town to do with you. When someone is saying "BM rolls scum 80%" of the time to subconsciously fuck with you guys and get me lynched that's utter bullshit. Someone thats AtS along with AtA and IIoA needs to go Lastly he was voting for TheBloodyDwarf who I completely disagree with him on. In fact I feel like he was trying to go for one of the most obvious vanilla town that is a village idiot and possibly a good mislynch For all of those reasons I'm voting the 3rd filter I looked at, Scott. ##vote scott331331313 my shitty case on scott | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote: eh that's actually a pretty good case, despite the million unknown acronyms IIoA = information instead of analysis AtA = appealing to authority AtE = appealing to Emotion AtS = appealing to statistics | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote: sic...having to choose between cakepie and scott31337 (with a weird wagon, and who I am even less confident in being scum), so I chose cakepie...sic fun than to win the game. when you say "who i am even less confident in being scum" why is it that you had scott as #1 town on every single one of your lists then? 2nd time you've misrepresented yourself, Trfel. Trfel solidly #2 on my scum radar now | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:07 Trfel wrote: On scott31337: I see this as a scumread. Despite the literal meaning of "meh", it definitely has a negative connotation. Yes, it's a pressure vote, but that still is still somewhat of a commitment to the read.And he then goes on to explain, in detail, why he thinks that Bill Murray is scum (by refuting the case that Bill Murray made on him). I don't see scott31337 being non-committal here, while he isn't providing tons of reads, he's providing an amount which I feel are generally acceptable for a newbie. Yes, the final post was made after Bill Murray's case, possibly as a reaction to it. But I don't think that he's provided a number scumreads that is low enough to be suspicious for a newbie. One final thing of note is that scott31337 has only played one game before, Newbie Mini Mafia LX. He replaced into it, and he was mafia. In his very first post (other than saying hi), he called four people scum. I think it's reasonable to assume that a lack of experience having to actually make reads causes him to have fewer reads (this happens to so many newbies...), and this is assuming you don't meta read him as town for not taking stances on everyone right away (it is fair to blame this on him replacing into the previously mentioned game). wow 1) he in no way refuted my case. he blatantly omgused against it. I refuted his ATTEMPT at refutation which he never responded to unless he did in the couple pages i need to catch up on which i HIGHLY doubt because scum like you and he like to ignore thread sentiment and skim it over 2) as per this being his 2nd game YET AGAIN this is something that has already been discussed and you know this if you have been reading the thread. It was stated he has observed ~30 games so there is no excuse for that Players like you and he can't play the noob card and try to lead the town at the same time, Mafia doesn't work that way. Now, not only are you gonna lie and say you didn't try to play the noobcard yourself, which you 100% did, but you're openly chainsaw defending Scott, which you're going to say you aren't because you are misrepresenting to the point that it is lying. | ||
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On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote: Don't Lynch scott31337 + Show Spoiler + Scott31337 has been active and helpful. He has been often answering and asking questions. The number of reads he has provided are fewer, but his reads seem reasonably thought out. I definitely don't want to lynch him today. ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + ObiWanShinobi has been fairly active and discussing things with people. He has been willing to follow others, but also has been original. While he is capable of playing like this as scum, there is no reason to see him as scum here. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + His activity has been fairly good. Furthermore, he's made some good comments, and I don't see anything that stands out as scummy. Onegu + Show Spoiler + I didn't like his original townread on me, but I did like the way he explained his read over the next few posts. That's enough to make me not want to lynch him today, especially since we can hold him to reasonable activity standards later. The Shining + Show Spoiler + He's been active, leading the thread when present, and making a bunch of good reads. Need I say more? LeiNadk + Show Spoiler + Seems truly inquisitive, and willing to participate. Tone also says town. He could certainly be mafia here, and his activity today does hint at that, but I don't want to lynch him yet. Maybe Lynch Damdred + Show Spoiler + I just don't know about him. Probably not a good lynch for today just because he's Damdred, anyway. If he is town, then we definitely need him alive, and there's an extremely good chance he will force mafia to kill him. TheBloodyDwarf + Show Spoiler + He seems comfortable enough, but minimal reads. Not much to go on. Could Lynch Bourneq + Show Spoiler + So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him.I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: [referring to my very long post] I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote: I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote: I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote: What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game?Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town. And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + This one's kind of obvious. He was blue hunting, and had no good explanation (how could he?). He assumed that if town claimed, and mafia didn't counterclaim, town would have about a 60% chance of winning, but despite this number and asking for claims, he didn't bother to actually read the setup. On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote: I think that this post supports Bill Murray as town slightly, he revises it to have only the cop claim (which makes sense if you think that the setup is cop/doctor). However, he's still looking pretty bad.There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop. Voting for Onegu instead of me is pretty bad as well. And, he scumread me for doing something (posting again after I said I would leave) while he completely ignored Bourneq doing the same thing. In fact, he was willing to provide his reasoning for voting me to Bourneq but not to me (because apparently I am scum, while Bourneq isn't). This is weird. But I hesitate to lynch him because of the reasons he provided for his scumread on me. On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote: This analysis is flawed, but it does make him seem somewhat better.my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here 2) he ends the RQS early a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information) b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck) 3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses a. he said he had to go before b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting. I need to make a check of his play from last game and analyze his filter more heavily, but I could see myself lynching Bill Murray. Policy Lynch plotspot cakepie Bourneq and Bill Murray are both looking pretty bad here. I could even see them being scum together. yeah because you say the exact same thing about shining here that you say about scott but you actually say even more about scott who is sitting at the top of your town list. need i say more? liar. | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:59 scott31337 wrote: cakepie (5):, Bourneq, HolyFlare, scott, trfel OWS scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd Bourneq (1): The Shining Trfel (1): LightningStrike Not voting (1): prplhz LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently. Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS. The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though. OWS and Trfel would be my top towns BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom. If you have any questions, feel free. why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:01 scott31337 wrote: That would be a bad decision. Is there anything I can answer for you? Did you also see my rebuttals to BM's case I posted? i refuted your pitiful attempt at a rebuttal. | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote: Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia? Holyflare. | ||
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I didn't anticipate the clarity i received from scott's answers i don't really want to spotlight here and at this point i'm just praying for useful night actions | ||
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