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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 13:49 GMT
#2121
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?


Largely increasing the chances of sandroba getting lynched while looking a bit better himself
or
largely decrease the chances of sandroba getting lynched while looking pretty greatly worse himself.

Hm... I guess I'd go for the former option myself most of the time. So it's not really that indicative maybe... Only slightly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:49 GMT
#2122
On April 28 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?

Sandroba or Yamato were his only options but he sheeped his townreads (Shining and HF).

Yes that's the superficial answer. I wasn't literally asking for what his options were, sweetest.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 28 2015 13:50 GMT
#2123
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?


Damdred could have voted pretty much whoever he wanted. I'm sure he could have gotten away with a yamato vote.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 28 2015 13:50 GMT
#2124
I look away for like 2 seconds to double check something and everyone has already talked about ALL OF THE THINGS.
Retired.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 13:51 GMT
#2125
That's assuming him being scum btw
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:52 GMT
#2126
On April 28 2015 22:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?


Damdred could have voted pretty much whoever he wanted. I'm sure he could have gotten away with a yamato vote.

I'm sure he couldn't, as he's barely getting away with a sandroba one :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 28 2015 13:52 GMT
#2127
On April 28 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?

Sandroba or Yamato were his only options but he sheeped his townreads (Shining and HF).

The townread/sheeping on shining is the thing that's weird about it. I also remembered that weneed to keep in mind that there is 3p in this game when evaluating wagons.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 28 2015 13:53 GMT
#2128
On April 28 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 20:44 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.


Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day.

This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how.

Also hi everyone

This post feels off. The bolded paragraph in particular seems like Breshke knows that sandro is town.

Why do you just assume that sandro is right if you just stated multiple reasons that indicate otherwise? I also don't really understand what's so interesting about this in general since based on sandros post it should be obvious what he is talking about (his own HP).

btw as for my early d1 tedious-read on indignant

1. Breshke is quizzing scum - check
2. indignant claims it's like Breshke knows sand is town - check

Good early read tbh.

Is there any point to this post or do you just feel like being tediousyourself? Any reason to think Breshke isn't scum? No? Then shut up.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:53 GMT
#2129
On April 28 2015 22:52 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?

Sandroba or Yamato were his only options but he sheeped his townreads (Shining and HF).

The townread/sheeping on shining is the thing that's weird about it. I also remembered that weneed to keep in mind that there is 3p in this game when evaluating wagons.

P.S. I am replacing HF with you for my 3p read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 28 2015 13:54 GMT
#2130
On April 28 2015 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:52 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?

Sandroba or Yamato were his only options but he sheeped his townreads (Shining and HF).

The townread/sheeping on shining is the thing that's weird about it. I also remembered that weneed to keep in mind that there is 3p in this game when evaluating wagons.

P.S. I am replacing HF with you for my 3p read.

lol
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 13:54 GMT
#2131
What 3P? It isn't even guaranteed that there's a 3P or what kind?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:54 GMT
#2132
On April 28 2015 22:53 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
On April 26 2015 20:44 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.


Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day.

This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how.

Also hi everyone

This post feels off. The bolded paragraph in particular seems like Breshke knows that sandro is town.

Why do you just assume that sandro is right if you just stated multiple reasons that indicate otherwise? I also don't really understand what's so interesting about this in general since based on sandros post it should be obvious what he is talking about (his own HP).

btw as for my early d1 tedious-read on indignant

1. Breshke is quizzing scum - check
2. indignant claims it's like Breshke knows sand is town - check

Good early read tbh.

Is there any point to this post or do you just feel like being tediousyourself? Any reason to think Breshke isn't scum? No? Then shut up.

Sure there are reasons.

Why use your first option to attack a scum-mate's post?

Offhand comment about visiting HF-PGO seems pretty town, and I think you even agree with this.

Swamprat.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 13:55 GMT
#2133
Oh nvm, there *are* 3P but no info what kind.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:55 GMT
#2134
On April 28 2015 22:54 Xatalos wrote:
What 3P? It isn't even guaranteed that there's a 3P or what kind?

yes it is guaranteed

and i just like to read prominent players as 3p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:55 GMT
#2135
although the vague reasoning for both HF and indignant is what they claimed their roles do (PGO + doesn't-return-town-to-checks)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 28 2015 13:56 GMT
#2136
lol ><

i'm a swamp creature!

yes that was a dazzling insight of awesome there
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 28 2015 13:56 GMT
#2137
On April 28 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:53 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
On April 26 2015 20:44 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.


Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day.

This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how.

Also hi everyone

This post feels off. The bolded paragraph in particular seems like Breshke knows that sandro is town.

Why do you just assume that sandro is right if you just stated multiple reasons that indicate otherwise? I also don't really understand what's so interesting about this in general since based on sandros post it should be obvious what he is talking about (his own HP).

btw as for my early d1 tedious-read on indignant

1. Breshke is quizzing scum - check
2. indignant claims it's like Breshke knows sand is town - check

Good early read tbh.

Is there any point to this post or do you just feel like being tediousyourself? Any reason to think Breshke isn't scum? No? Then shut up.

Sure there are reasons.

Why use your first option to attack a scum-mate's post?

Offhand comment about visiting HF-PGO seems pretty town, and I think you even agree with this.

Swamprat.

If you keep attacking me for an early read that you don't even know the actual correctness of then I will just ignore you from now on. Even if it wasn't a good read - so what?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
April 28 2015 13:57 GMT
#2138
On April 28 2015 22:56 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:53 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
On April 26 2015 20:44 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.


Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day.

This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how.

Also hi everyone

This post feels off. The bolded paragraph in particular seems like Breshke knows that sandro is town.

Why do you just assume that sandro is right if you just stated multiple reasons that indicate otherwise? I also don't really understand what's so interesting about this in general since based on sandros post it should be obvious what he is talking about (his own HP).

btw as for my early d1 tedious-read on indignant

1. Breshke is quizzing scum - check
2. indignant claims it's like Breshke knows sand is town - check

Good early read tbh.

Is there any point to this post or do you just feel like being tediousyourself? Any reason to think Breshke isn't scum? No? Then shut up.

Sure there are reasons.

Why use your first option to attack a scum-mate's post?

Offhand comment about visiting HF-PGO seems pretty town, and I think you even agree with this.

Swamprat.

If you keep attacking me for an early read that you don't even know the actual correctness of then I will just ignore you from now on. Even if it wasn't a good read - so what?

what do you mean "keep attacking" you? I brought it up once since then (the post you are responding to) and it wasn't even serious (how can a "tedious" read from early d1 be serious?)

In your own words - "Chill".
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 28 2015 13:57 GMT
#2139
Oh yeah, a malicious 3P would want to avoid getting blue visits...

So did you agree with my take on Damdred's options?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 28 2015 13:57 GMT
#2140
On April 28 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 22:54 Xatalos wrote:
What 3P? It isn't even guaranteed that there's a 3P or what kind?

yes it is guaranteed

and i just like to read prominent players as 3p

No idea why you feel the need to worsen your track record like that.
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