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On March 26 2015 12:24 kitaman27 wrote: Fake PM logs with flipped players are fun though! + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: Ok so here is the deal. EVERYONE READ THIS POST Radfield masoned me on night one. Nobody can counter claim this. I didn't claim it earlier because I wanted to trap mafia. Obviously, they would have known that I was in contact with him so they would be weary of going after me knowing that I had the claim in my back pocket. Tonight, we lynch the serial killer choaser. Tomorrow, we clean up based on today's mess. Here are my logs. Radfied played it very carefully. He gave me hardly any reads and mainly bussed his own teammates. Its possible I may have missed something however. Everyone should be switching over to chaoser now. Kurumi Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron lol hai, who is this? Kurumi I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm Kurumi chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi Yep. Sauron err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming. [b]Kurumi OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you  Anything else to add? [b]Sauron lol, cya. Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^ Didn't you also do fake pms in PTP IV? To which austinmcc then countered with real quotes from the scum qt? fun times lol | ||
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I'm so excited I had to type gibberish. This game will be crazy, I'm sure of it. | ||
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On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote: Thinking about it, the cleric is probably the most important role of the three. I'm not very concerned about the rogue, the no-lynch is practically impossible to use without him eating rope the next day. So I will focus on getting town people on positions 3 and 1. Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary. We should have town in all 3 because they all get abilities and it goes by number of votes, so it might be difficult to ensure who exactly ends up where depending on the wagons. | ||
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On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote: Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this. | ||
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On March 28 2015 10:09 Koshi wrote: shiet crossfire is playing in a GreYmist game. And...? | ||
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Right now I'd probably vote for one of rsoultin, HF, kita and keir because I think they're town. I'm more confident in my rsoultin and HF reads because they're very active, interacting with everyone, and trying to figure out alignments. | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:02 Holyflare wrote: I am very very wary of Keirathi. He's pretty low down. I may be wrong. To be fair I pretty much gave him most of his townie points for his read on me, but scum can always town read with very good accuracy lol. I'll have to keep a watch on him them and make sure I don't blindly assume he's town without reassessing. | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:12 LightningStrike wrote: Also Crossfire check the entire database for all my games played plus XXX Mafia and Jack of all Trades Mafia and tell me how I am scum. I don't feel like doing that much work nor do I think it will be particularly helpful. I haven't played with a decent number of the players here and I doubt I'd be able to really understand each person's meta. I'm not the greatest at reading meta for people I haven't played with a lot and trying to determine meta from just reading filters is pretty difficult and can lead to erroneous conclusions because I don't understand the context. | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:27 Koshi wrote: No. That is not it. HTS says VA is town. She correctly says VA tends to care less as mafia. She is right about the fact VA does like to keep active people alive if it doesn't hurt his win chances. Wos his reply starts with "That's not so true anymore honestly." But it totally is. So that is already odd. But then he goes on about how he can read VA and how VA is town. (which is already the same read as HTS, strange way how WoS formulates his post just to come to the same conclusion on VA) But then he adds that VA is hard to catch as mafia till the endgame and that we THEREFORE shouldn't lynch him? WHY? HTS reads VA as town. WoS reads VA as town. NOBODY WANTS TO LYNCH VA. HTS didn't say that VA cares less as mafia. She said the opposite. On March 29 2015 09:17 Half the Sky wrote: VA tends to not do as much as town but tries hard a bit more as scum from what I understand. I'd say a slight town lean for now. Night kills might be a way to ferret him out - as scum, he tends to be a fan of a "shit up the thread" strategy, so the deaths of people who aren't doing much could potentially be a red flag. I know he mentioned something of the sort in the past. | ||
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Has batsnacks been town and tried before at all? I know nothing about him, but actually trying and participating with thoughts is usually a good sign, no? | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:54 rsoultin wrote: he has: carol the game is linked in my profile ^^ bat traps lol he caught ritoky with one I'm ok with leaving him alone for now. I'll reevaluate later. There are more important targets like Hapa or Lightning right now. | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:13 Holyflare wrote: Ls unfortunately i still need to lynch you unless you can steer me in a better direction that isn't koshi. Is there a reason you want LS over hapa? | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:17 Holyflare wrote: Well hapa is just flat out afk and i don't play with him at all so don't know if flat out afk is normally scummy for him (well it is scummy in comparison to his town game) or an anomaly but would still probably lynch him regardless. It doesn't give much info compared to ls who is active though and people have stances on. But it isn't like he is just afk. He hasn't been around much, yes, but when he's been here over the span of a few hours (not necessarily saying he was here the whole time, just around a few times in that time period) he hasn't said and been purposely not trying. On March 29 2015 10:12 Hapahauli wrote: Thankfully, I'm not. I'm in Ritoky and VE's townlist. EZ gaem. On March 29 2015 10:20 Hapahauli wrote: This posting is boring me. Let me know when the lynching starts, and I'll start playing. | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:44 rsoultin wrote: I HASH A THEORY! there is a role dadumdum whose win condition is to >> << GET LYNCHED!! nah seriously i have no other explanation for hapa's behavior ^^; That's called a jester. If I'm remembering correctly from my previous conversations with GreY, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't put that role in a game (not 100% sure on this). It is kinda of a lame role outside of special situations like that micro 5 person game (forget what it's called) where it serves a useful purpose and makes the game fun. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:30 Hapahauli wrote: I had a fairly busy two days, so I was actively trying to detach myself from the thread to preserve my sanity. To force myself to "not give a shit" if you will. I really didn't want to be thinking about this mafia game for the last two days. It certainly worked. Personally anyway. As for the negative effects, I think ~50 hours is plenty of time to get suspicion off of me. Why didn't you tell us this previously? This just seems like an retroactive explanation for why you actively refused to play. If you were really busy, tell us then instead of making the purposely trolly posts which show you are "following" the thread but are just refusing to play. On March 30 2015 03:24 Holyflare wrote: If I don't lynch hapa I am claiming mafia quote this post + Show Spoiler + pending him doing some miraculous town rainbow shitting in which case my back up lynch will be <insert discussed target here> HF, hapa hasn't produced any town rainbows, so are you claiming mafia now? | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:24 rsoultin wrote: i'm still waiting on those super townie posts you were talking about that had you put hapa on your list to begin with rit Why not vote for someone more relevant and in your town circle? On March 30 2015 03:52 rsoultin wrote: i've said it before and i'll say it again, as long as the three are from my town circle: holyflare, koshi, batsnacks, alakslam, onegu, myself i don't really care. but we still need to nail down the lynch. if someone has a good reason to townread hapa (ritoky this is directed at you here dude) please out with it I thought I was going to vote for HF or rsoultin, but they both to have seemed to change their minds on hapa, so I'm not sure who I should vote for now. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:17 Hapahauli wrote: I've tried stuff like that before. In many games, I post pre-game that "oh, I won't be as active because I'm busy etc etc", and then I end up try-harding anyway because I can't get the game off my mind. So I tried something different. Woop. But the main reason that people are moving away from my lynch is that it's generally really fucking obvious to tell if I'm mafia when I'm posting for an extended amount of time. In 48 hours, it should be pretty easy to tell my alignment. And if for whatever reason it isn't, my role allows me to kill myself on Day 3, so I'll save you from lynching me if I don't do my job. I agree that it is really obvious to tell if you're mafia, but allowing to let you live if you're mafia is allowing you to use your role, allowing a potential mislynch to replace your lynch, so I'm not sold on the wait and see approach. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:19 Holyflare wrote: are you only voting on lynch targets and not townyness/scummyness? I mean if there are multiple options for the fighter and one says to lynch someone who I think is town and the other says to lynch someone who I think is scum, I'll go with the latter. Townyness and scummyness do matter, but I want a town person who is likely to lynch someone who I think is scum. | ||
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I'm thinking of voting for HF because he needs to be in the top 3 because he's town. Yeah, I'll vote for HF now. ##Vote: HolyFlare | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:41 VayneAuthority wrote: sooo yea...still a scumread for me here and surprised no one else agrees about this. he just came into the thread and summarized it and it looks like he plans on leaving now. ill have to make a real case on some nuisances I picked up on next cycle. I'm still here Vayne. Reading and trying to understand the craziness and who exactly should be lynched. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:47 Holyflare wrote: this guy has 3 pages of filter look at all the games he has played in how he references his scum meta: each time as mafia he has lower page counts I looked at his the filter lengths from other games and he's put up 8ish pages on day 1 in linux and 11 in slytherin by day 2. He was scum in both and was dead for the rest of those games. He had 8 and 10 in PYP protoss and horn as town for both dying in days 2 and 1 respectively. I'm not sure if we can make a determination just based off of day 1 here. I think it will take longer to figure out based on filter length. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/Strong_Bad.png) You all already seem to know of the existence of Strong Bad. I am he. Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. My breadcrumb is my first post. On March 28 2015 08:02 Crossfire99 wrote: oaipjdsiou cnmc,xuop ljkj fkla;j fwuqwahnlasf fhqwhgads iopquecjo jioapidjpj ijapodsfj oijf aopdifj I'm so excited I had to type gibberish. This game will be crazy, I'm sure of it. If you think the crumb is that I typed gibberish because I wear boxing gloves, you'd be forgiven for thinking so, but you're wrong. I obviously can answer emails fine while using my hands because I don't take my hands off. Sheesh. The real bread crumb is the bolded part, the fhqwhgads. Click it to see the reference. Anyways, my ability was to fake my own death and choose the role name, abilities, alignment and flavor text of the fake death me. For the next 24 hrs after fake death I cannot post or be targeted or do anything. After 24 hours a host will announce me as alive. Seeing as how this ability is very weird, I had to think of an inventive way to use it. So I did. I chose a random role, abilities, and flavor, but made it so that I flip mafia. Since I am town, being flipped as mafia will cause confusion. Mafia will know that I'm not mafia because I'm not in their qt. They won't know what is going on and will be unsure of how to proceed with their reads and how to treat connections with me and how to analyze my reads. Everyone else will not care about that and just assume that I am actually mafia. When I actually return to the thread I will be able to point out who had weird reads regarding me after my death. That was the goal at least. Unfortunately, pms were allowed today which means I don't have many reactions to go over lol. Hopefully people will have gotten stuff in pms that they can bring forward. Feel free to ask me whatever questions you want. Right now I don't know a lot of what is happening because it is all happening in pm land, so feel free to pm me because I want to chat. Oh, I also had another ability that would allow me to give one person the ability to PM once during the day. I could then respond in kind, just like how Strong Bad answers emails. Anyway I used it day one to try to better interact with Hapa. He just said hi, I asked him why he was playing that way and told him to respond in thread. Looks like I was wrong and he just really didn't have time to play. T_T | ||
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On April 01 2015 08:35 Holyflare wrote: wadafuk.......? That's what I said when I read my role too. | ||
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On April 01 2015 08:38 justanothertownie wrote: So Moriarty checked Crossfire eh? Must have. Or was bussed or something. | ||
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On April 01 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: Cross fire did the day end early because of your revival No. I know nothing about that and had nothing to do with it. | ||
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On April 01 2015 08:44 Blazinghand wrote: ahahaha what Did you happen to check me last night? My ability definitely falls under your not listed category lol. | ||
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On April 01 2015 08:49 batsnacks wrote: He said his ability is to fake his own death. That implies, to me, that he wasn't actually targeted by KP. Unless you know something. I was not killed by KP last night. I chose my manner of death btw. The kill flavor was all my idea. | ||
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On April 01 2015 08:53 Keirathi wrote: So, if you're telling the truth, how exactly does you flipping yourself as scum help the town? You say "confuse the mafia" or whatever, but doesn't it confuse town more? Also, you said your goal was to gather information on people's reads about your death/etc. So what are your thoughts? As I said in my big post most people talked in pms so I couldn't read that obviously. For what it is worth, everyone including yourself who posted in thread about me seemed to take it at face value and I could discern no extra knowledge coloring your reads. | ||
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On April 01 2015 09:05 Keirathi wrote: Why even use it at all? My role is awful and I'll never use either of my abilities because it does nothing to push town closer to finding mafia. The fact is that yours actually pushes town BACKWARDS towards finding mafia. Zzzzzz. Well I was incentivized to use it because I was told I would gain new abilities upon returning. But I feel like it is all a troll because my new ability is literally a death framer. It frames someone as the opposite alignment upon death for 24 hours... | ||
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On April 01 2015 09:12 Snarfs wrote: Agreed. There's no way that can do more good for town than harm. Yeah I know that lol. | ||
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yeah well I thought my role was like wherebugsgo from personality 2 You are wherebugsgo, Jack of all mafia trades! Unfortunately for you, you seem to have rolled town. Once per cycle, you must submit one of the following actions. You cannot select the same action twice. The following cycle you will receive a reward for your scummy ways based on your selection. 1) Frame target player to return the role and alignment of your choice. 2) Silence target player from posting in the thread for the first 24 hours of the day cycle. 3) Cover target player's alignment from being revealed during an alignment check or death through night hit. 4) Roleblock target player. 5) Pardon target player during the day cycle. You win with town. After using one of those abilities the player gained the opposite power. 1) Frame -> role cop 2) Silence -> Mason first 24 hours 3) Cover -> Godfather 4) Roleblock -> Jail 5) Pardon -> Unlynchable for 1 cycle Yeah well I'm sorry if it turns out that I shouldn't have used it. I thought something good would have come of it... | ||
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On April 01 2015 09:20 LightningStrike wrote: Well I went to eat dinner and saw we ended up at Night 2 and Crossfire faked his own death. To much WIFOM man.... @Crossfire: Did you learn anything from Day 2 and if so what did you learn? The things I noticed is that Keirathi actually did work looking at my meta to determine if I would bus. He legit did the work there because I remembered the stuff he was talking about. Whether he would do that work as mafia idk. Sep also seemed to care about my flipped role and seemed to care about it as is so it seemed like he believed it. Outside of that I'm not too sure. | ||
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On April 01 2015 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote: The other side of that is that if he was shot by an anti-town 3p then they wouldn't claim the shot on him regardless (the flavor text seemed a little dark right?) but on the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for him to make up a story like that IF he was shot and resurrected somehow. Ask rsoultin. I told her my kill flavor beforehand. I told her immolation on the pyre, but changed it after that to immolation upon the altar because that sounds cooler lol. | ||
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On April 01 2015 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh you think I should ask this one other person to corroborate your story in a game with an anti-town faction of at least 4 or 5? Yeah I just don't think that's gonna be helpful. Yeah you should trust everyone this game because this is a caller game and there are no mafia... | ||
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On April 01 2015 12:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I appreciate the thought Crossfire, but turn your attention to items more pressing toward clearing your name - like finding the odd interactions you CLAIMED your whole play was specifically designed to garner. Read the thread please. I answered this like twice already. | ||
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On April 01 2015 12:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Like if this is what you are referring to when you indignantly told me to "read the thread" then you'll forgive me for missing it after THIS: ...is the setup for it. You put WAAAAAAY more effort into your reentrance into the thread than you actually did into the parsing of the information you CLAIMED you intentionally injected into the thread. You see what I'm getting at? You'll forgive me for missing it. Did you actually read my stuff? "Unfortunately, pms were allowed today which means I don't have many reactions to go over lol. Hopefully people will have gotten stuff in pms that they can bring forward." So I went over the reactions I could. It's not my fault pms were allowed. The result was not what I wanted and think my ploy failed in the results honestly, but the reason for it was not my fault lol. | ||
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For realz though. I got a bunch of town reads and I'm trying to do some poe, so I think some scum gotta be in this list: keir, HtS, VE, yamato, sep, VA, bat, and kita. This is assuming that all the claimed 3rd party are 3rd party: HF, Trfel, damdred, and alakaslam. I'm not entirely sure if they're all 3rd party yet, though. Honestly, I'm lost on what all the 3rd party win conditions are (or supposedly are). HF is survivor, damdred is assassin?, Alakaslam is ???, and trfl is what? Out of the list of potential scum I'd feel most comfortable with either kita, VA, or Hts. Yes, I'm blatantly sheeping other peoples reads right now, but what can I do. I'm pretty lost honestly, and need some help lol. The thing I can add is that from pming with kita is that he definitely isn't as forthcoming with reads and stuff as say rsoultin was. Not sure if that says he's definitely scum but it's something. Kita, I just had a thought. What is your role name? This will help me figure out whether you're scum or not, so humor me. Random bits of information that I gathered. Pming with slam on night one he told me out of the blue, that ritoky is a powerful role and and could be scum PR or a 3P. Slam also said ritoky's name is Frank. All of that is wrong, but how did he know about Frank since that is rsoultin's role? | ||
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On April 02 2015 13:49 Keirathi wrote: You just told me like 2 hours before the day flip that you agreed with me that HtS looked town. What changed? Also that list of 3 looks strange considering HtS is hard-scumreading kita. How likely do you think it is that they are scum together? What changed is that I had a chance to reread filters of 100% confirmed townies who are now dead. You know when you don't have a strong impression either way on someone, and when someone tells you how they are reading someone it colors how you read them? When you explained why you thought she was town, I reread her, but what you said was in my head, so I read her as town. I reread her now with what dead confirmed townies think of her and it's enough for me to change my mind and consider her as a potential lynch target. Honestly, I'm ultimately still up in the air about her, but I'd put her in the will potentially lynch category. Screw this we're lynching HtS. She's scum. This is probably a double bus scenario. Thanks keirathi for making me reread more. If you're town, you did your job. If you're scum...oops? Let's go through her filter shall we? She starts off wanting kita in the adventuring party and basically calling him town right away in all these quotes and agreeing with his lynch targets like BH. + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2015 04:56 Half the Sky wrote: I've scanned/read up to page 30 and my general thoughts so far: Votes for the party: Any of ExO, Keirathi, HF or Kitaman would do. Keirarthi seems pretty straightforward, and I like ExO's general approach/tone to his game. Kitaman seems to have the same approach (picking out scummy points as he can) as he has had in his town games in Carol and JOAT, and I am quite comfortable with him, even if he doesn't post that much. I'm also fine with HF's train of thought, and tone-wise he appears to be speaking naturally. On March 29 2015 05:26 Half the Sky wrote: ObiWanShinobi said that he'd vote for anyone that wasn't Kita early on. I realise that was early on though. Was that a joke, has that since changed if it wasn't? And if you still don't like Kita, why? I was pretty content with him. On March 29 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote: Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is. He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content. On March 31 2015 04:53 Half the Sky wrote: I say phrases like that with people because I've made the mistake of scumreading people (or in the case of VA in NYE Party) I've pushed mislynches as town because I didn't know their meta simply because I've not played with them before. In the current meta, filter length is being made as an argument for scumreading someone, and there are players that I think we need to look beyond that (such as Kita, who is not a spammer for instance). Call it cautious but that's just my interpretation of the way some people play and based on my experiences with people I've not had a game with before. On April 01 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote: Or that even if he DID check VA, that the check itself wasn't tampered with by a framer-like role. I've been discussing this cop trifecta/mechanics thing with a couple of people, admittedly I generally have a rough time in normal games grasping some of these mechanics lol. I had a town lean on VA going into N1 and a scum read from Kita's meta read on BH, so I was a bit surprised when I saw the red check at first. Even marv noted the weird view HtS had on kita. + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2015 08:58 Chezitwo wrote: The only other thing I noted down (up to the point of this Trfel post) is that I was curious why Half the Sky liked kitaman, given how little kitaman has done. I don't really have a read on kitaman either way, and it's curious that HtS feels the need to pick him out as someone townie. On March 29 2015 09:15 Chezitwo wrote: Could you just explain a little what in his content makes him likely to be town? A better question - can you explain what in he has posted you don't think he can post as mafia? What has he posted that you don't think he could fake as mafia? The Iron Bank thanks you for your continued business. On March 29 2015 20:55 Chezitwo wrote: Half the Sky is probably a pretty good shot at mafia. So she goes from basically thinking he's town and agreeing with his reads to what...to what she just posted at the beginning of this day. On April 02 2015 09:01 Half the Sky wrote: So last night I used a redirect power on Kita, thinking he might be scum. I realise kp is factional, but if he had some anti-town ability it would have reflected on me as a result. I have maintained a fear read on him since the beginning of the game based on a number of things in the filter (despite my initial town read), his track record as scum (database) and left my last will privately with 3-4 others that I trusted in the event something he did or took killed me as a result. Damdred had done some sort of test though on Kita and Kita according to him has come up scum with Rasputin coming up town, which obviously now is confirmed. I'm sure there's a mole in there somewhere amongst the people I talked to or left a last will, so it's possible that a scum Kita, if Kita is scum may have pulled his action back. I cannot know this. I had asked him what his role was privately and he didn't answer. Like not even a semblance of a response. I wasn't afraid to divulge what I had since I didn't think it was that potent in the grand scheme of things (not compared to other abilities being talked about) and honestly being town, I had nothing to be afraid of really. JAT probed me for my abilties as well, If him and Kita are scum together it's possible any action Kita could have taken would have been pulled back given all the individuals I talked to. LS is confirmed town, Sepulchre is almost certainly town based on all the PMing I've been doing with him, and BH is looking a bit better also given the PMs I've had with him. I'm inclined to believe and trust Damdred with what he's done, and I think Kitaman should actually be the lynch today. Pass the tinfoil hat. ##vote kitaman27 The important part is the bolded part. She maintains she was fearful of him since the beginning. That is patently not true. The only possible thing in her filter that could be construed as having a possible less than town view of kita is this quote. On March 29 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote: Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is. He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content. She still calls him town but just leaves room to call him scum if he doesn't do anything. Literally everything she's done up to this point has assumed he is town with no indication otherwise. Lynch HtS or kita. Don't really care which. They're both scum. Even marv noticed something + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2015 05:08 Chezitwo wrote: I might say that kitaman is one of very few players I think might try to pull that off as mafia. Right now I think they're both scum. Kita has been getting more and more pressure lately and now with people like rsoultin scum reading kita and her being dead and town, kita was a viable lynch option. HtS is just getting ahead of the wagon so she can use his eventual mafia flip to her credit. kitaman27 and Half the Sky | ||
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On April 03 2015 00:53 kitaman27 wrote: So all four players that I brought up as mafia are on your mafia list and now you're pushing my lynch due to a pre-flip association case with HTS, a comment from marv that I like playing mafia, and rsoul's very poor death post, which I'll have to yell at her postgame for? Is my game plan to bus my entire team or what? Why are you basing your read on ticky tack reasons rather content from my filter? Eh, fine. We'll lynch her first and then I'll get to you. How about that? Even if you're town, I don't like her at all. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:25 Half the Sky wrote: Pot. Kettle. Black? This coming from someone whose gameplay has been bleeding scum from the off. Ironic. If you're saying I'm mafia, then you are 1000% mafia. You've been just about as vague, broad, and noncomittal as they come, you had probably the worst response imaginable to when three of us were pushing you N1, and my "weird" interactions with Kita (unless you're talking about the vote itself, which I couched specifically) are not only unsupported on your end, but what I did have with Kita was pretty straightforward. If anyone is scraping for another lynch, it's you. Was marv scraping for another lynch? He also thought you were scum? He's definitely not a pot or a kettle. He was a cop. Yeah my play has been crazy and ridiculous, sure. I will say that the whole N1 whatever was me coming in skimming the thread seeing a bunch of people calling me scum and assuming everyone was, so I that's why I said that. I'm not scum, but you are. It's not only me saying your scum it is marv and he's dead and he is 100% town. Half the Sky Half the Sky Half the Sky | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote: Jat and xfire have been lying to you all. Nope, you have. I haven't been poisoned and I specifically asked GreY about it because I will find out when I will die. And I ain't dying anytime soon. So you're lying about poisoning me or you got redirected. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:53 Holyflare wrote: Xfire pm: i have a power that delays all actions on me by a day Xfire thread: you lied hf! Not true at all. So now we lynch HF! That's not even what I said in my pm. | ||
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That's not what I said. I said specifically my death and only my death. You said all actions. I never said that. On April 03 2015 01:53 Holyflare wrote: Xfire pm: i have a power that delays all actions on me by a day Xfire thread: you lied hf! The best part about my ability is that I know when it activates and it hasn't, so you're lying. | ||
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See my case on HtS. Ignore the part on why kita is mafia because it doesn't matter for what I said about her. Also, HF is lying because I told him specifically what my power was and he lied about it. Also he never poisoned me. | ||
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On April 03 2015 02:06 Holyflare wrote: I have a legitimate strategy that has fully paid off and found 2 mafia. I will tell you all when you lynch me. If you're actually talking about me then you're just wrong. If you're actually a survivor you shouldn't want to be lynched. So mafia? Yeah I think so. | ||
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On April 03 2015 02:29 Keirathi wrote: But that was your whole case? That she was mafia because of how she interacted with kita. And that marv called her scummy in the early part day 1 I guess. There's been a lot of game since day 1, though. What makes you so sure that he was right? Also, the bolded part doesn't ring very true. My exact words to you were "I looked back at HtS today and I think she might be town. Her filter looks pretty okay except for the second guessing herself all the time." That doesn't look like a glowing recommendation that should color your read very much? It's how her read changed on kita with no explanation whatsoever. She said she was always suspicious of him, but she never said anything indicating that at all. She only called him town or agreed with his case on BH or whatever. She just comes in today saying to vote him and claims that she was suspicious of him from the beginning. I used the fact that marv also noticed her weird town view of kita immediately to show that her view on kita changed unnaturally. It from definitely town like an assumption and backed that up to now all of a sudden it is scum. As for my quotes. Yeah those were your exact words, but that thinking she might be town was more than I had at the time. So I when I read her with that in mind, I was like I can see her as town. But then I reread like I said and found all the stuff I wrote in my case. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:44 Damdred wrote: i'm not sure how that disproves those three visited slam and are the most likely moriarty candidates unless you are claiming mor in thread So he is the one saying I did something. And he's looking for Moriarty. You do know I claimed strong bad, right? I literally breadcrumbed it in my very first part of the game and bh already said that strong bad exists. Why do you even think I'm a possibility!? | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:18 Holyflare wrote: holy shit kita I said it literally doesn't matter anymore, there has been a monumental fuck up and jat and xfire are not confirmed mafia anymore talk about yamato, my poison is unblockable so if xfire doesn't die tomorrow he's mafia I'm not dying tomorrow and I'm not poisoned so you are lying or were redirected. I get confirmation when my death delaying ability activates and I specifically asked and it hasn't activated. | ||
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I'd lynch yamato. He'd been calling me scum almost the entire game. He then says that either you or JAT are probably scum. On April 03 2015 10:46 yamato77 wrote: I can't tell who is mafia but one of HF/JAT has to be at this point. VA is my vote over damdred though so there's that. You then say that you have proof JAT and I are lying, and then he says he won't vote for me unless you reveal more info. That makes no sense. On April 03 2015 11:31 yamato77 wrote: if HF won't claim I'm not lynching him or JAT/xfire JAT talk to me about this damdred thing You're saying I'm guaranteed scum and he's thought that for like the entire game and now he doesn't think I should be lynched? I agree it makes no sense and this is definitely scummy. What do other people think? | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:37 kitaman27 wrote: Can you get a confirmation that actions would resolve on you n1, even with the fake flip? I know that they 100% would have because someone got strongbad as result for a role check, but I'll ask to make sure. | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:46 Crossfire99 wrote: I know that they 100% would have because someone got strongbad as result for a role check, but I'll ask to make sure. I just got an answer what I said is correct. Actions could target me N1, so either HF is lying or was redirected. | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Are you sticking with the jester story? Who is your preference? If HF is a confirmed liar to you, what do you think his motivation is? My honest thought is that he's not doing it to hurt town. I think night actions got redirected a lot. We have seen a lot of that recently with items, abilities, etc. I don't want to just lynch him based on that. I would have lynched him for the whole JAT and I thing, but with his sudden about face due a mistake, misunderstanding, miscommunication, whatever, I no longer want to lynch him because I really do think it was something like that. The complete reversal seems very genuine and I believe it is real, so I really do think there are better targets than him. | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Look, if damdred is actually a jester then I don't give the slightest fuck about this game anymore because we got totally and utterly screwed by 3rd parties. That's such a bullshit role to put in a game like this. We did not have a single normal lynch this game and are already close to losing and then this happens? I mean the host is not at fault for slams unbelievable incompetence but seriously town never had a chance then. And if I let mafia damdred slip by on a fucking jester claim then I don't want to play mafia again. Did he straight up claim jester, or are you basing this on his ridiculous play right now? | ||
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Straight up claiming jester is just dumb if he is jester. Instead he could have done what he tried to do which is just make up completely wrong allegations about people visiting slam or whoever. When that would be proven wrong, we would lynch him or seriously consider it. He would then win. I don't think he is actually a jester. If I really had to guess what is going on, it is that he is sacrificing himself to protect other scum with better abilities, or the ones who still have yet to use them, or whatever. I also agree that jesters are not the best roles outside of certain special games and really shouldn't be in games. I'd lynch him and if we're screwed over by a jester then...idk... | ||
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On April 04 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote: See? That's why we are lynching him. Yeah, I'd lynch him. We have to. | ||
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On April 04 2015 02:31 justanothertownie wrote: If there is something to this bond thing then the mask is the only reason we could think about letting damdred live for today. Who do we lynch if not damdred? VA, yamato? Who? It's gotta be someone we can lynch. | ||
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On April 04 2015 03:36 strongandbig wrote: So I guess we just keep going and assume he was fucking with us Yeah, well at least the day ending thing. Not sure about the other stuff. I mean *if* he's telling the truth about votes turning into kp for him, this is why he claimed jester. He had to act scummy enough to be voted to really use his role. | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:03 strongandbig wrote: Also - Geript told me it is okay for everyone to PM me copies of the PM chains they had with Exo. I don't know how I could prevent them from being altered, so I will be taking them all with a grain of salt, but everyone should go ahead and do that. Crossfire actually sent them to me already, before anyone knew that this is okay. This actually makes me more suspicious towards him, rather than less, but I would rather kill Kita first anyway Lol, I asked GreY once I saw you replaced in. Since I pmed Exo, I thought it would be nice if the replacement was able to actually play the game with the knowledge the previous player had. Sorry for being helpful... | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:16 strongandbig wrote: I appreciate it - it was just weird that you sent it to me but didn't mention anything in the thread about having asked if it was okay, made me think of a different place than PMs where people ask hosts questions sometimes. I don't think it's a big deal. Yeah, you're right, I probably should have said something in thread, so other people knew. I overlooked that. My bad. | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote: If marv did not check VA then he is green btw. How exactly does your check work or is it not relevant? I'm just confused at the options here. | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote: I had a one shot check: I get role and alignment. Got his role name and mafia aligned. But my sanity depends on how many people visit him except for me during the same night. 0: insane 1: sane 2: naive 3: paranoid 4: he comes up as 3rd party That's why I repeatedly asked people who visited VA to claim to me. I immediately questioned him and he told me the correct rolename at least. So if we assume noone visited him then I have a greencheck on him If marv visited him (check) then I have a redcheck on him. Since this isn't really conclusive I did not out it but statistically it would mean he is more likely to be town. I don't know if marv would check VA though. He was by far his biggest scumread. I don't know how he plays cop. So you checked him night 1 then? | ||
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I say all this to say I think there are only 5 scum left, and at least 1 3rd party (I really think only 1 though), not sure about Trfel to be honest. I believe HF is a survivor. Anyway, this means what. Right now, probable best case scenario we are in is 7-5-1 (town-scum-3rd). People that I have as town are: onegu, jat, me, bh, VA (I'll explain this in a second), Obi. This leaves snarfs, HF, Trfel, HtS, Sep, bats, and kita. Out of those, bats is definitely mafia, HtS is also mafia, kita is probably mafia, Trfel I'm going to say is mafia, and Sep (cause I say his "save" of "townie" HtS is BS), but we'll get there. Anyway, if what VA claims is true, that he will die if we lynch bats, then we shouldn't lynch bats because we lose the game if VA is town and dies. JAT seems to think he is, so I'm willing to trust him right now. Basically, if they both die, we're at 6-4-1, then probably 4-4-1, then 4-3-1, then 2-3-1 and we lose. Also, if VA is telling the truth, he must have some way to kill bats, otherwise he can't achieve his win condition. So basically, I am willing to try to actually win the game by lynching someone other than batsnacks. If I went through this progression wrong and we can still actually win even if both VA and bats die, let me know. So what I'm saying is we need to kill a mafia that is not batsnacks. The one I propose is Half the Sky. I mean look at this quote by her. LOLOLOLOL On April 05 2015 08:06 Half the Sky wrote: I realise I have a case to answer regarding the issue with Damdred, and I posted my justification on page 275 as to why I was caught up in Damdred's lie and that came from the PMs that we sent back and forth and I mistakenly thought he was town. The fact that both of them completely ignored this was concerning when I first read this, but seeing as they both flipped town, I realise the sentiment was honest. The fact that Kita did engage me via PM to probe me about my behaviour D2 makes me think he is less likely to be scum than I previously thought. But now it's DAY FOUR and I have to take into consideration that it's possible he could be playing me, and based on Damdred's play in Titanic where he also tricked me there as well, Damdred isn't one to leave too many clues for his teammates as scum, so Kita isn't out of the woods, but a general town tell is that he at least tried showing effort to figure out my alignment when people have been questioning my actions. I was very busy celebrating Easter, so my time was limited to checking and responding to PMs. I only got back home once the resolution period was already underway (FML). I used my redirect ability (and informed Trfel and Kita as such) on VisceraEyes because I thought he was one of the big question marks in the game. But VE is now dead and confirmed town. I'd lynch her purely for informing a claimed 3rd party (but let's be honest, is he really?), who has done nothing, what her action was going to be!!!! This is a player with gems in his filter such as these. On April 03 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote: Hi. I want to lynch justanothertownie! Reason: he's mafia. Do I have your vote? On April 04 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote: See, I lynched scum Remind me, why was he scum again? On April 04 2015 10:31 Trfel wrote: Can we lynch justanothertownie tomorrow? Lynch Half the Sky! See what I wrote earlier about her treatment of kita. See what Keirathi pointed out in the quote above. Then lynch her. | ||
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On April 05 2015 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote: is crossfire on drugs? not sure why he thinks he knows my role but that is completely wrong Nope, but if i completely misunderstood what JAT was saying, then my bad. I thought he was implying that you die if we lynch bats. If that's wrong, let's just lynch bats. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:26 Snarfs wrote: Why would we ever lynch half the sky before sepulchre? Because I'm more confident in HtS. I mean I still think sep is scum, but that is mostly dependent on him "saving" the "town" HtS. So we lynch HtS, she flips scum, then we lynch sep. Simple. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:30 kitaman27 wrote: But sep said that HTS is confirmed town if he doesn't die from his ability. Therefore sep can be mafia with a town HTS, but a you can't have a town sep with a mafia HTS. But I think HtS is mafia based on her play, so we lynch her based on her play. Then we lynch sep based on his play once we confirm HtS as scum. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote: BH a self proclaimed town leader has been afk pretty much the entire game, idk why anyone would try to defend him lol. oh well not my problem. Do you win if you kill batsnacks? | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote: basically if bh is mafia then all of town has to vote with me and if bh is town then all of mafia has to vote with me, one way or the other we'll find out I thought you wanted to play the difficult game and have fun  | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:48 Crossfire99 wrote: I thought you wanted to play the difficult game and have fun And help town win | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Wait, did we lose already? At best it is like 5-5-1 where we need to lynch scum to have a chance. We can't lynch batsnacks because we want VA to kill him to help town out. This is the only way town has a chance. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hf, you claimed that the mods fucked you up and that you didn't have any checks. You hardclaimed survivor to me last night. What are you? Maybe. He's either that or scum. Probably scum though since trfel isn't. Scum team is probably bats, HtS, Sep, kita, HF. If HF is really survivor, we find someone else for that slot. Either way we save him for last hoping he is survivor and can win with us (or maybe scum so we don't have a survivor, idk). | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote: like i gave you batsnacks for free and crossfire wants to lynch not batsnacks hahahaa :D Show how my logic is wrong then. IF we're at 5-5-1, then tell me how we win by lynching batsnacks who is confirmed mafia, who VA has to kill anyway. That doesn't win the game. Tell me how to win the game with 5 mafia left and a maximum of 5 town. | ||
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Who is Moriarty then? We know one exists because of marv's role. Why wouldn't that role come forward and say BH is lying if he ever was? One hasn't come forward yet, so why is BH mafia? He's not even an alignment cop. Marv was and he's dead. Why should I even trust the claimed survivor who lied about poisoning me because I'm still alive and it is day 4? You said you poisoned me N1. LOL | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: We don't base our lynch on two claimed third party players, who both have a chance of being mafia. Town has kp and protective roles left for night actions. Take the mafia that is given to you with batsnacks. Kita I know you wouldn't actually believe this if you're town, so thanks for being mafia I guess? I mean why not vote the other obvious mafia, HtS? You do realize mafia still has 3 KP and we're at best tied for the amount of town and mafia left. We need to take a risk to win. I play to win, not to not lose (which never works). | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:18 Holyflare wrote: ah yes moriarty! you're even more fucked then rofl it's like 4 town 3 3p's and 4 mafia or 4 town 2 3p's 5 mafia or 5 town 1 3p 5 mafia in which case you still need to vote with me or va in order to get a majority! Or you're actually moriarty and scum and VA is the only 3rd party if he actually is (? hopefully he's just town with an extra win condition but I doubt it). So I think you're scum, VA is 3rd party, and we still have a chance. I'm playing for a chance to win. We need to vote for Half the Sky. This is the only chance we have to win the game. We have to kill a scum who is not batsnacks that we all agree on. I don't think BH is scum, so he's not an option. Don't listen to the claimed 3rd party, hopefully scum HF. VA vote for HtS. You will get more opportunities to kill batsnacks if you continue to vote with town. We are prolonging the game in your favor if you do so. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare, why are you pushing for BH instead of batsnacks? Why are you holding the game hostage? If you don't vote for someone other than batsnacks, you are saying you are mafia. Read my posts and show me how I am wrong. Town's only chance to win is to leave batsnacks to VA. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Didn't VA say he couldn't use his ultimate anymore? -.- He was just roleblocked. We still have a chance. On April 05 2015 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote: got roleblocked last night....for fucks sake. On April 05 2015 08:58 VayneAuthority wrote: batsnacks/half the sky/crossfire will all yield mafia lynches. I can't win this game anymore probably if we lynch batsnacks but i have zero way of stopping it. On April 05 2015 15:20 VayneAuthority wrote: yup thats wrong. I can only win through ultimate. Lynch is not my ultimate. Hoping there's another planeswalker I guess but I probably just can't win at this point. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote: you're all going to feel very silly when it comes back with a yes and realise that i'm telling the truth and you have to vote for me We still don't have to vote with you because we still can play to win. Also, that statement coming back true has no bearing on whether not we should vote with you lol. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:32 Holyflare wrote: you realise if you vote batsnacks va has to kill kitaman who is claiming he is town planeswalker and mafia have a lot of kp and you lose anyway? lololol Thanks for proving my point. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: oh it almost certainly does unless you think that a mafia batsnacks would claim to me in pm's as mafia and that i'd have an alignment check to force his claim out to me as mafia when i already know all alignments in that case But you know BH is not mafia because it makes no sense. Explain how he could be scum with the whole moriarty situation. You just want to win now and survive lol. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:32 kitaman27 wrote: So if VA fake claimed, his fake claim was pointed out to be false so he fake claimed a second time, and now with his third claim you're willing to base the outcome of the game on what he says? If we lynch mafia it doesn't matter lol. We need to lynch all the mafia everyday from now on. So if someone says he wants to kill a mafia to win, and we have another mafia to lynch, we kill the other mafia because that's the only chance we have. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: oh it almost certainly does unless you think that a mafia batsnacks would claim to me in pm's as mafia and that i'd have an alignment check to force his claim out to me as mafia when i already know all alignments in that case Cause you're the shining standard of honesty. LOL. Ask kita, it's not too difficult to fake pms. You don't even have to quote them. Just summarize them. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote: kitaman is trying to derail it because he is likely mafia btw. I never fake claimed this game, I just never told him my full role. So you will vote HtS with us? | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:39 Holyflare wrote: but then i'm faking pm's with my mafia buddy.... so my mafia buddy dies...............? Well let's be real, he was already thought to be mafia when you said that. You just made it a lot easier. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:40 Holyflare wrote: just so you know i will forever leave my vote on red checked bh and he can't argue his way out of this lynch because he has been arguing to lynch not red checked va all game based on a red check explain moriarty then. Who is he? Why hasn't he come forward yet? Until you explain this, I won't even consider BH. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:43 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm voting batsnacks and so is snarfs and obi. I think you guys can figure out which side is correct. Cause we can all trust a vote count by pms... | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:44 Holyflare wrote: explain how you get a majority with the remaining town players without me and then you will truly be victorious That's just playing not to lose. That's not playing to win. We lose no matter what with your way. With my way we have a chance. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:46 Holyflare wrote: i have a red check dude i don't see the problem, if you think i'm mafia then you need to explain how i have double the filter size of any mafia game i've ever played while not even playing in this game really at all Because your red check on me and jat was so accurate... | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:47 Holyflare wrote: it's funny how you only give a shit at multiple lylo and not the entirety of the game Well I cared. I just didn't have the time honestly. Probably shouldn't have signed up in retrospect. 100 page day ones are not good for me. I was completely lost and had no idea what was going. Now I have some time tonight and understand what is going on lol. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:48 Holyflare wrote: crossfire99 Yeah you keep saying that. Just because you say that doesn't make it true. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:50 Holyflare wrote: so then you understand you have to lynch bh with me lol Nope. Lynching someone who we think is probably town doesn't help. If moriarty is 3rd party like you say and the reason for him not revealing himself, then town is definitely screwed no matter what. If that's the case, town still has to play to win and vote assuming it still can win. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:51 Holyflare wrote: if you think i'm 3p you HAVE to lynch bh if you think i'm mafia then you're fucked because mafia wins with a no lynch Uh no lol. If you're mafia, then all town and VA vote for HtS. Then VA kills bats. Then we lynch Sep. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:56 Holyflare wrote: you're quite literally defending bh from a red check even though he's done absolutely nothing but his mafia meta consistently (kita even meta'd him d1) and day 2 and 3 he's repeated the same thing over and over again which is classic mafia bh, if you can show me it's town bh go ahead you also have to explain why all the shit townies doing nothing died instead of day 1 claimed cop blazinghand You know his cop check only returns the type of power someone has which means nothing this game lol. Also if BH dies, then moriarty is confirmed scum. With him alive there is an argument. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:58 Snarfs wrote: Crossfire, there probably is no world where HtS is scum and sepulchre isn't. It can be the other way around though. At least push sepulchre. I think HtS is scum based on her play though. Why do you think she is town? Keir thought she was scum before he died. Like HtS is mafia. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:59 Holyflare wrote: do you know how mafia favoured it is to learn who in the town has medic protects/cop checks and other abilties loool?????? Yeah in a game where everyone has a role and the real town medic and cops outed themselves immediately day 1/night 1... | ||
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I know LOL. But that's how confident I am in HtS being mafia though LOL. Like how is she not mafia. Someone explain haha. | ||
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On April 06 2015 13:04 Holyflare wrote: yes because host setups are entirely based around people being retarded and claiming town power roles day 1 that's a totally great argument you bring forth for why bh isn't mafia at all so wise much wow I know I'm just being so difficult right now. I mean why make life easy for a claimed 3rd party. | ||
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On April 06 2015 12:56 Holyflare wrote: you're quite literally defending bh from a red check even though he's done absolutely nothing but his mafia meta consistently (kita even meta'd him d1) and day 2 and 3 he's repeated the same thing over and over again which is classic mafia bh, if you can show me it's town bh go ahead you also have to explain why all the shit townies doing nothing died instead of day 1 claimed cop blazinghand The red check means nothing because it's coming from you who said JAT and I were mafia. You also said you poisoned me. None of those things are true. | ||
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I know with 100% certainty that no one in this game is a VT. I've hosted and created games with GreY before. All his games give all players roles because he wants all players to share in the fun of having crazy roles. He learned this after Aperture 1. | ||
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It's true though. Dat host meta knowledge. | ||
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On April 06 2015 13:13 Crossfire99 wrote: It's true though. Dat host meta knowledge. It has nothing to do with mafia unlike you lol. | ||
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On April 07 2015 00:34 Snarfs wrote: He's right though. There's no reason to believe VA. Just kill bats if you're town. No, if we do that we have no chance of winning. As town we need all the help we can get. We need to lynch someone who is not batsnacks. Mafia still get 2 kp tonight no matter what. We need all the kp directed towards them we can muster. If that is from VA, then that is fine. On April 06 2015 14:35 Holyflare wrote: i'm half tempted to drop my bh vendetta and follow xfire to hts :D :D :D Please do. You know it would be so much more satisfying to lynch HtS. | ||
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On April 07 2015 01:20 Half the Sky wrote: If I get lynched, it's gg. I'm running on the assumption we're on a 5/5/1 or a 4/5/2 situation, which is lylo, so if you're third party and need a night action, you better think very carefully before voting me down. I realise my gameplay has been problematic for some people, but I definitely have an issue with how Holyflare is opportunistically trying to take me down, I have honestly stumbled through this game, with reads and figuring out whom to trust. The winning together argument makes no sense as third party, lynching me wins the game for scum, as third parties are also endgamed as I understand it. So his gameplay is a scum agenda. My vote is on Bats. I am also willing to vote down Holyflare given how he's hijacking things. EoD is 1am for me but being in and out, I will try and check my phone as best as I can and take questions. Should be settled by 11pm and try and just figure out whatever I can. If people want to know why I trusted Trfel, I made the same mistake as I did Damdred. Goes back to just me being blown out of the water this game. I'm on phone now, but when I get to my laptop in a few hours I will get my PMs from Trfel and walk you lot through everything. Honestly if Crossfire is voting me down and he's (tunnelled) town, to be blunt, this game is already over. We don't know how scum are voting because of the hidden vote. So HtS, you were blown out of the water by this guy!? He claimed 3rd party immediately. There is no way you should have even claimed anything remotely like what your actual night action was. He didn't even try after he got outed as 3rd party. He just stuck around hoping to kill JAT and win. I don't care if this guy was the Shakespeare of PMs, there is no reason to tell him jack. He wasn't trying and claimed 3rd party. Sure maybe you thought he could be scum like I did because I didn't know all the particulars of his role, but that just means you still shouldn't tell him anything. Like there is no reason for you think he is town or even playing for town or whatever. On March 31 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote: I'm third party. Not mafia. Please don't kill me? On April 03 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote: Hi. I want to lynch justanothertownie! Reason: he's mafia. Do I have your vote? On April 03 2015 10:41 Trfel wrote: Trfel is an amazingly awesome person with the greatest scumhunting abilities you'll ever meet. And he has realized that justanothertownie is scum, beyond doubt. You should vote with him! On April 04 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote: See, I lynched scum Remind me, why was he scum again? On April 04 2015 10:31 Trfel wrote: Can we lynch justanothertownie tomorrow? | ||
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On April 07 2015 01:25 Half the Sky wrote: We're in lylo. You realise there are 4-5 scum left (likely 5 given past games). Aside from me, who else are your scumreads? If you're town and not moving your vote off me, this game is over. There won't be a night phase. If you're scum, then keep doing what you're doing. Did you read my posts where I said you, bats, kita, and sep are all scum...? You can throw in whoever you want for right now depending on who you think is the last scum. You know some people think HF is scum and lying or some think it is BH because he is lying or hmmmm. I believe that's pretty much it haha. | ||
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On April 07 2015 02:43 Snarfs wrote: I'm following this plan for anyone else paying attention. HF is lying about BH and probably lying about batsnacks. I highly doubt HF is a survivor at this point. Seems more likely mafia. That, and we don't negotiate with terrorists. Even if he is lying and scum, read my ealier posts. We need to take risks in order to win. WE CAN'T LYNCH BATSNACKS. LET VAYNE SHOOT HIM INSTEAD. VOTE HALF THE SKY. | ||
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On April 07 2015 03:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Lmfao why is there so much resistance to a batsnacks lynch? Stop being so dense. Read my posts. You do realize that for town to even have a chance at winning we have to lynch someone other than bats. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:36 Crossfire99 wrote: Right now the game is probably 5-5-1 or something. Maybe even 4-5-2. The only way town wins is by killing a mafia player who isn't batsnacks. VA can then kill batsnacks and we will have a chance. This is literally the only way for us to have a chance. On April 06 2015 11:53 Crossfire99 wrote: At best it is like 5-5-1 where we need to lynch scum to have a chance. We can't lynch batsnacks because we want VA to kill him to help town out. This is the only way town has a chance. On April 06 2015 11:57 Crossfire99 wrote: Maybe. He's either that or scum. Probably scum though since trfel isn't. Scum team is probably bats, HtS, Sep, kita, HF. If HF is really survivor, we find someone else for that slot. Either way we save him for last hoping he is survivor and can win with us (or maybe scum so we don't have a survivor, idk). On April 06 2015 12:18 Crossfire99 wrote: Kita I know you wouldn't actually believe this if you're town, so thanks for being mafia I guess? I mean why not vote the other obvious mafia, HtS? You do realize mafia still has 3 KP and we're at best tied for the amount of town and mafia left. We need to take a risk to win. I play to win, not to not lose (which never works). | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:16 Sepulchre wrote: Half the Sky is town and if you actually switch from confirmed mafia to her you are either morons or scum. But do continue to do what Holyflare wants you to do, after all he spams a lot of posts so you have to! This site.. So you being a "town" player know that HtS is 100% "town" because you didn't die when you "used" your "ability." Who is actually mafia then? We need 5 of them. You should actually try and help solve the game if you think we're so wrong, but you won't because you're mafia. | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:23 Sepulchre wrote: You can't even lynch one of them, what do you need 5 for? Yeah, I know. Why even try figuring out who the rest are? We obviously only need to lynch one to win the whole game. Who cares about the rest? | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:24 Onegu wrote: I could see there being only 4 I would love love love if this were true, but I'm assuming it isn't. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it though. | ||
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IF YOU'RE TOWN (AND THIRD PARTY) VOTE TO LYNCH HALF THE SKY IF YOU'RE TOWN (AND THIRD PARTY) VOTE TO LYNCH HALF THE SKY IF YOU'RE TOWN (AND THIRD PARTY) VOTE TO LYNCH HALF THE SKY IF YOU'RE TOWN (AND THIRD PARTY) VOTE TO LYNCH HALF THE SKY | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:25 kitaman27 wrote: I assume it's something like this? I would you're swapping to bats? Bats (6): Kita, BH, HTS, Snarfs, Sep, Onegu HTS (5): HF, OWS, Xfire, Bats, VA Woah it's basically like all scum + onegu (who is town) are on bats and the town and 3rd party on HtS. Huh, makes a lot sense. | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:26 Holyflare wrote: i'm on bh Please don't let this game end like this. It will be wholly unsatisfying. Please please please just vote for HtS. I know you're frustrated and annoyed. Please don't let scum annoy you and frustrate you into voting for someone who is not HtS. | ||
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You don't have to stoop down to his supposed level. Everyone needs to vote for HtS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:49 Half the Sky wrote: Crossfire if you're town, please read my rationale for trusting Trfel. You voted me because of that remember? I already read it and am town. But I also think you're scum for your weird read on kita, and the whole people supposedly visiting slam, which you knew was a lie due to your "ability" yet didn't react how shall we say "appropriately." | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:51 Onegu wrote: So you are calling for a no lynch or a town loss? Yeah this isn't anti town at all... Onegu, get your head out of your butt and vote HtS! | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:52 Half the Sky wrote: If you think he's scum too you should probably vote for him. I don't lol. | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: i am voting for hts YYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:54 Blazinghand wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r4hoHfn.png) Look guys. This is what town BH does with the precious moments before a lynch. LOL | ||
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On April 07 2015 08:00 Holyflare wrote: useless shit town Sigh...sigh...it's the only thing you can do. | ||
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I played pretty terribly. Definitely felt pretty lost most of the game and even when I thought I was sure I was wrong LOL. Probably shouldn't have signed up. I didn't have enough time to play to my standards especially with the amount of posts this game. Probably won't play mafia again at least while the spam is this high. It's just not my thing and I don't like playing with that many posts. I also didn't like pms, but I never played with them so it was something different to try. As for why I did what I did during the last day. I really thought town was in a 4-5-2 situation and that VA was 3rd party and really had to kill bats. I figured town had to take a risk and not lynch bats because if not they would lose due to the amount of KP. I actually thought HtS was mafia and was super sure of that. Obviously, I was wrong. And it was pretty much only hubris that caused me to stick with HtS over Sep who I also agreed was mafia. That was dumb. Even playing terribly, I still had fun. Thanks for hosting GreY! I know it is difficult work and you do a great job! Random fact: During day 3 I death framed VA to get a list of the actions performed on him, so we could figure out once and for all whether or not he was scum. I thought I would get the results immediately, but I misunderstood and would only get results if he was targeted by scum which never happened, so it ended up being for naught. GG everybody. | ||
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On April 08 2015 11:07 kitaman27 wrote: If you believed HTS/Sep were both mafia it then lynching outside of batsnacks with the hopes of 3p VA assistance was the right call. Nothing wrong with pushing something you believe in. Did we get an explanation with where that poison ended up? I looked at the spreadsheet. HF poisoned Blazinghand, but he was bussed with JAT who was healed, so the poison was negated. Edit: Or I think that's what happened. Now I'm not sure when looking at it. Or GreY just explained it. | ||
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On April 08 2015 12:15 Snarfs wrote: You did enough for most of us to assume you were town right up until the last post so I'd say that's a good enough job. I just resay what I said in my pm to onegu during the night. The problem is I can't do anything. That whole post was mostly just a charade. I did actually lie about stuff, but I can't use any of my abilities because they are all passive. I am pissed that we lynched HF because he couldn't do anything on his own and could have continued voting with town to kill mafia players until the end. We could have held him hostage until we had the game under town's control. And lynching him doesn't reduce mafia's kp at all which we really needed. The best I can hope for is drawing mafia's attention to myself and getting them to try to kill me or rb or something. Anyways, hopefully you have crazy plans that can actually do something good tonight. I'm hoping for the best. | ||
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