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On April 03 2015 01:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, I don't need to wait any longer. I'm voting. I'll wait on you, kita, until the next day. Your actual alignment doesn't matter when looking at her weird interaction with you. She might have just needed to find another lynch. *shrugs* whatever.
##Vote Half the Sky
Pot. Kettle. Black?
This coming from someone whose gameplay has been bleeding scum from the off. Ironic. If you're saying I'm mafia, then you are 1000% mafia. You've been just about as vague, broad, and noncomittal as they come, you had probably the worst response imaginable to when three of us were pushing you N1, and my "weird" interactions with Kita (unless you're talking about the vote itself, which I couched specifically) are not only unsupported on your end, but what I did have with Kita was pretty straightforward.
If anyone is scraping for another lynch, it's you.
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Kita,
On April 02 2015 12:26 kitaman27 wrote:
@HTS So is your vote 100% based on damdred's item, that clearly isn't a dt check? As for why I didn't claim to you, I didn't feel that it benefited town. I know this sounds silly coming from the guy who is asking everyone for claims, but all these claims being thrown around makes the mafia's job a lot easier.
This rationale (bolded) - especially based on your large list post - makes no sense. If you didn't trust me, or thought you were scumreading me you not claiming to me would actually make sense. IIRC in PM land, I asked you what you were. You had me on the townlist - maybe not a strong townread but if you were doing detective work as role hunting as you claim, I don't know why you wouldn't assume others, at least on your town list/townleans wouldn't be trying to see where you stood.
You didn't even say "I don't trust you." When I questioned Trfel on certain things (and I'll get to him later, I have issues with him) he actually did say he couldn't/wouldn't trust me, so having that expectation on my end I don't feel is unreasonable.
Damdred's rationale as he told me was based partially off his experience playing with you as scum (correct me if I'm wrong) and I had voiced my concern based on how easily (through D2) a lot of your posting can be done as mafia.
Also an item doesn't have to be an explicit copcheck to uncover someone as scum.
I have other scumreads, but I suspect you as the sleeper scum.
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On April 03 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Have you looked at the credibility of the 3p claims? Particularly when people made claims in context to urgency? Which one looked the most suspicious?
I think slam is definitely 3p. His play is so retarded otherwise it is not even funny. He still has to go of course.
Trfel I have no idea about but claiming his really anti town win con seems a dumb move as scum I guess?
HF could be anything. I don't trust him at all.
Damdred I hope is gone in a few hours. If not we need to kill him with fire.[/QUOTE]
JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma.
I agree on Slam.
Trfel in particular has been the least transparent with (I understand) a number of people, and as for this game, aside from him saying I'm not trustworthy (presumably) to his cause in PM land, he's completely dropped off this game. He claimed to me early on in PM and after that I believe he claimed in thread, but the latter was in response to him getting a load of pressure in thread. I'd have to double check thread, but him mentioning him dying or something brought that out.
Even in large games, if and when Trfel were to take a town approach, he'd be posting something. He's generally a low post count person, but I've seen jack all in at least a cycle and a half. I'm still pretty sure he's third party though based on having specific targets. If he cannot win with town, based on the OP, he should be on the lynch list.
Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town
So I think for third parties, we lynch into Trfel and Slam.
Damdred might have weird dynamics with his role, but if what he said was true, he should just take his gold watch and go home when he's able to. His actions in PM seemed pro-town. And I was third party in JOAT and I can understand the pro-town sentiment even when it's not part of your wincon, because that's how also I played. I don't think for the time being, that's unreasonable.
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EBWOP - Fixed quote.
On April 03 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:
I think slam is definitely 3p. His play is so retarded otherwise it is not even funny. He still has to go of course.
Trfel I have no idea about but claiming his really anti town win con seems a dumb move as scum I guess?
HF could be anything. I don't trust him at all.
Damdred I hope is gone in a few hours. If not we need to kill him with fire.
JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma.
I agree on Slam.
Trfel in particular has been the least transparent with (I understand) a number of people, and as for this game, aside from him saying I'm not trustworthy (presumably) to his cause in PM land, he's completely dropped off this game. He claimed to me early on in PM and after that I believe he claimed in thread, but the latter was in response to him getting a load of pressure in thread. I'd have to double check thread, but him mentioning him dying or something brought that out.
Even in large games, if and when Trfel were to take a town approach, he'd be posting something. He's generally a low post count person, but I've seen jack all in at least a cycle and a half. I'm still pretty sure he's third party though based on having specific targets. If he cannot win with town, based on the OP, he should be on the lynch list.
Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town
So I think for third parties, we lynch into Trfel and Slam.
Damdred might have weird dynamics with his role, but if what he said was true, he should just take his gold watch and go home when he's able to. His actions in PM seemed pro-town. And I was third party in JOAT and I can understand the pro-town sentiment even when it's not part of your wincon, because that's how also I played. I don't think for the time being, that's unreasonable.
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On April 03 2015 01:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
It's not only me saying your scum it is marv and he's dead and he is 100% town.
1 Someone can be 100% town but 100% incorrect on someone if they cannot read them. Marv has admitted openly in the past that I am hard to read as town when I am town. (bolded).
On January 13 2015 20:30 marvellosity wrote:
edit: one other thing, i did actually briefly meta HTS after rsoultin died, and my first thought was that she was a difficult player for me to meta because she plays in a way that i find hard to hard-read as town (when she is town)
what i did notice was that in this game her pushes came much later than in her towngames, there was a lot more preamble and somewhat less direction. Thought it was possible she might play that way as town though, I don't think I read closely enough to pick up any inconsistencies there may have been
2 I interacted with Marv in PM land and I specifically asked him his scumreads in addition to myself. He backtracked on his previous read on me. Obviously you didn't know that, but this is what he told me in PM land.
Original Message From Chezitwo: I don't really know about you, your posts haven't seemed too bad. My only real scumread is VA, and I have a lot of "they should be doing a lot more but aren't" scumreads that I'm not sure count as real scumreads. Show nested quote +Original Message From Half the Sky:
Who else do you think is scum (besides myself - I assume your read on me hasn't really changed)?
To sum it up: If you are sheeping Marv, try again.
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.
I know Crossfire's filter has been a steaming pile of rubbish all game, nothing new there.
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.
JAT's been lying about what?
Also I find it interesting how Crossfire and HF are tagging each other...
And JAT and HF doing the same on their most recent posts.
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JAT, Crossfire, I just checked the OP.
Totally my fault, posts obviously cannot be edited, so I will accept whatever punishment they deem worthy.
Until then I will carry on.
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On April 03 2015 01:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help
so what are we thinking today guys? any reason to not lynch VA?
Here are the topics at hand:
1 Kitaman (yes this is on me)
2 The veracity of the third party claims, who is likely to be true/false, who is likely to have an anti-town wincon
3 Kitaman's list post - if you are townreading him
4 the HF/JAT/Crossfire interactions
Slam seems to be the main candidate based on his anti-town actions and there's been a bit of focus on the third party people.
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BH, if you think VA is scum, do you think you can ply any potential other scummers based on his interactions/discussions about others?
That might be another avenue to wander...
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Leaving the office, headed for a run, and will return in a few hours after dinner.
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On April 03 2015 03:56 yamato77 wrote:
having a bunch of 3P just exit the game is actually bad for us right now, it would be better for damdred to actually want to kill moriarty.
This is something I tried to say after EoD. How many scum do we possibly have in a Greymist game? We are eight townies down, possibly a 9th if JAT misfired on VA. We need the third parties for parity especially if there's more than six mafia.
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On April 03 2015 04:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Which according to his role should not be the case.
According to the database we're in deep shit.
Aperture 1 - 20x town, 1x 3p, 10x mafia
Aperture 2 - 19x town, 4x 3p, 8x mafia
Aperture 3 - I can't tell but there's a link if anyone can figure out the numbers
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/328392-aperture-mafia-part-3
Basically if history is of any indication we have 19 players left, soon to be 18....um we are in serious trouble.
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I mean, we could be in mylo right now, and not realise it.
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First two games had 31 players. Hmmm. We started at 27. I am thinking 6-7 scummers. Probably my guess.
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EBWOP - meant to respond to Keirathi's post, not JAT's but anyways.
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On April 03 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote:
I've ran the numbers a few times we are one mislynch away from Mylo basically. "we"
Big deal? He loses as third party if he cannot fulfill his win condition and gets endgamed with the town.
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On April 03 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote:
I've ran the numbers a few times we are one mislynch away from Mylo basically.
And we don't even know what KP situations could occur at night if we ML again. Game might even end via subsequent night actions the way JOAT did if too many die.
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If VA flips scum, we have a smidge more breathing room, but honestly not much still.
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