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the eye of the chupazi is being engaged!
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On April 07 2015 13:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 13:40 ritoky wrote:the eye of the chupazi is being engaged! hijole! cabron! Your not slam going to kill you. Put a gun against his head, Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
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On April 07 2015 13:52 rsoultin wrote:
-yawns-
lightningstrike is not in the game or he'd already be calling me scum for not posting the second the game started xP
riiiiiitoky your snakey dude is a baddie! does that mean you're a baddie? -covers eyes-
Clearly your level of svengali is too low. I practice the are of electric dream svengali.
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On April 07 2015 13:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:On April 07 2015 13:52 rsoultin wrote:
-yawns-
lightningstrike is not in the game or he'd already be calling me scum for not posting the second the game started xP
riiiiiitoky your snakey dude is a baddie! does that mean you're a baddie? -covers eyes- Clearly your level of svengali is too low. I practice the are of electric dream svengali. :0 oh noes! ![[image loading]](http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/32075160/images/1399928286486.gif)
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I am american, I always go the fuck first!
##join team a
FOR AMERICA
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yo eden we need a fukin name for our team.
how bout team white crime?
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##teamname Team A - White Crime
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On April 07 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 14:17 rsoultin wrote:On April 07 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:
i don't get instatown vibes from rso this game. :/ xP not my problem lol@gb not tunneling hf? what. are you sick or something? got the bird flu? He is doing something that is very clever. Join his game  Damdy, are you there? Do you think obi is Mafia? only if you tell me what you think is clever about it after everyone has joined xP maybe what you think is clever could be what i think may be clever if he's actually doing it but what if it's just us who is clever and he's not being clever at all? :o?? maybe i'm the cleverestest! ##Join Team A w/ the UNBELIEVER and the muppetman xP @Obi lol dude, seriously doubt a game by itself would ever make anyone scum 
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On April 07 2015 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:What's the big deal? What are you afraid of?
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On April 08 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Eden your opening posts were popcorn without getting involved and that you weren't sure that Rsoul was town. I'm not sure how you want me to expound on them besides bad, you generally would of gotten involved in the thread which you didn't.
Coupeled with your move to now soul read Rsoul when nothing has drastically changed from the early game in that regard has me left with mixed feelings that could be best described as you being scum, and now you are pushing on vivax without even commenting on GB I think?.
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On April 08 2015 09:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 09:20 GlowingBear wrote:On April 08 2015 09:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
HF's cases are on the two people who didn't play along with his dumb game. Very funny. Seriously. @GB: How do his cases mean anything? Not exactly his cases, but the reffusal to participate in the game I don't see how that means anything either. Elaborate?
GB be thinkin HF be all like:
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don't lynch the following people without a really good reason:
yamato77
damdred
holyflare
koshi
that is all
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On April 08 2015 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
This game is boring. I stated two or three times that Eden has problems in his scumreads and nobody asked me why.
Nobody is really trying to play this, sadly.
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damdred most probably isn't mafia; but if he is, then he is mafia with dreadreturn.
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On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it?
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On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia?
cuz when HF came out with his plan:
yamato all like
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and then some1 else be like vsing yamato abotu dat shit and he be like
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mafia prob don't take such a vindicated stance so immediately esp in a neg direction abt HF's play.
hence why yamato is:
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On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? Because he's actually playing the game. His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff. rofl i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation what specifically makes you think he's town? In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8 Read showdown.
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reality:
On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? Because he's actually playing the game. His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff. rofl i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation what specifically makes you think he's town? In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8 Read showdown. holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him
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dear vigi,
if HF and his play don't amount to anything in the next 22.3741 hours,
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no hesitations.
sincerely,
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time for my shithouse read of the day:
i don't like eden cuz this:
On April 08 2015 14:04 Eden1892 wrote:
i think i like this ritoky too
son returns to the thread with a quality observation (vivax already mentioned this) and more funny pics be like
i feel like that should feel townie but it don't. do not like.
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On April 09 2015 06:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 06:21 Holyflare wrote:A message from the game show host:##vote palmar
##vote dreadreturn
##vote eden
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On April 09 2015 07:12 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 07:10 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2015 23:44 Damdred wrote:
Hi palmar I'm kind of sick but being on top of your list makes me have good feelings.
As such I actually think Eden should be in the last bracket and RS might be better served marginally lower.
Eden is actually probably second on my list as scum after GB. Bad entrance and hasn't been memorable or tried to do much at all at this point. Which is anti-town for Eden at best. I also think its highly unlikely that RS and Eden would be scum together though for bad reasons this one is the best. Pls that was an easy read to make. Everyone else called my one post bad before he did and he never actually did anything to engage me or figure out my alignment from there
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On April 09 2015 07:15 DreadReturn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 06:40 Koshi wrote:
In this limited timeframe I would like to encourage you to talk about possible scumreads and reasons why you are town over interrogating people you think are town. Or do you think yamato is mafia? Which is possible.
Also. I think only 2 people think gb is possible town.
Can you quickly givs your scumreads DR? Sleep time soon for me. After Vivax, HolyFlare and Obi, by process of elimination. I could argue why I think someone is more town than these three if you would like.
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On April 09 2015 07:19 DreadReturn wrote:
Is a full town read on everyone really what you would like ritoky?
Damdred, thoughts on Vivax?
i just want you to type shit. be all like
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any1 else notice that obi is like...the 3rd mafia on every1 who's made a list's lynch list....yet no one had made much of an effort or deal about it?
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to be serious for a moment here. i am at a real impasse.
i think palmar is pretty much null. i also have this policy where i don't vote on the largest filter day1 cuz 95% of the time dude is town.
but i also remember down under 2 where palmar had this similar insta-read on me that he blew out of proportion like this and literal 0 people listened to him, i shot him at night, and carried the game....so i am really tempted...
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On April 09 2015 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
And obi i looooooooveeeeeee how you just asked me a question and afk'd for the response. You really are likely mafia especially after i reminded myself why.
On April 09 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote:
any1 else notice that obi is like...the 3rd mafia on every1 who's made a list's lynch list....yet no one had made much of an effort or deal about it?
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i haven't voted yet....
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On April 09 2015 06:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Boatcount: Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn Palmar (0) - GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar Rsoultin (0) - ObiWanShinobi (0) - Eden1892 (0) - Koshi (1) - Onegu Damdred (2) - GlowingBear, Eden1892 Yamato77 (0) - DreadReturn (4) - Yamato77, Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare until deadline. Currently DreadReturn is set to be lynched.
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On April 09 2015 11:02 Onegu wrote:
Why aren't we lynching koshi?
This:
On April 09 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:never lynch:
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On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?
so did you not read any of this?
On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf.
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On April 09 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts? so did you not read any of this? On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf. I did. I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's.
hate to be a stickler, but you said "the only reason" not "your only reason"
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yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town?
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On April 09 2015 11:52 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town? Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR? Is it that you think DR is somehow townie? If it's at all close I would just vote DR.
I like palmar's read it reminds me a lot of his read on me in DU2. Plus GB has largest filter, and that is like 90-95% town based on stats.
I also made that connection between DR and damdred and I think damdred is pretty town....so....
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On April 09 2015 12:06 yamato77 wrote:
Alright, we're YOLOing onto Vivax.
lol you serious, you just convinced me onto DR
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ain't stealth voting shit:
On April 09 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:never lynch:
follow the angels
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On April 09 2015 12:58 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 12:58 ritoky wrote:ain't stealth voting shit: On April 09 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:never lynch: follow the angels one of the angels is on dr??????
that angel is afk and said sheep yamato
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On April 10 2015 01:06 Onegu wrote:
@ritoky
miss you so,
Seems like it's been forever,
That you've been gone.
Where'd you go?
I miss you so,
Seems like it's been forever,
That you've been gone,
Please come back home...
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On April 10 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Would shoot vivax for thinking 2 tiny posts on ritoky of all people is sufficient contribution.
it doesn't really make sense either, he says i am hiding behind pictures, but in crunch time around the lynch i switched to actual posting because i was having a tough time and needed to be serious.
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On April 10 2015 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
still don't know a single reason for why i'm being scum read and if they say "palmars case" without even commenting on the countless times I disproved it or stated my intentions then they are just terrible
obi still yet to pose any argument at all really
why I am not town reading you: a memo
by: ritoky
1) timing - hf be all like afk and shit and irl stuff and doing his gameshow thing, which i can understand having a recently pregnant wife. but when you decided to start playing serious all the sudden was pretty much after i posted this.
On April 09 2015 06:06 ritoky wrote:dear vigi, if HF and his play don't amount to anything in the next 22.3741 hours, no hesitations. sincerely, your town admirer
perhaps it is just unfortunate timing, but you get mentioned as a candidate for lynch/vigi and turn it on leaves me skeptical.
2) your gameshow play hasn't amounted to shit. could be irl shit interfering, until it amounts to something i can't get a read on it. especially since you basically said you were going to do it regardless of alignment.
3) effort =/= town for HF. for basically every1 on these forums except a couple people if they said irl shit getting in the way, that was true, and then played at the rate you are it would be easy to give them a passable town read. you, not so much.
4) there was an impasse of reads where yamato and i wanted to switch onto eden or vivax and you wanted palmar or obi; but i felt your motivation to lynch DR stemmed from a wanting to lynch bad play rather than wanting to lynch mafia. maybe that is a bad read by me, but that is how i read a lot of your justification. i have seen you lynch for idiocy as both alignments though (i think you do it slightly more frequently as mafia).
overall it lands me at null, maybe slight scum lean esp until your gameshow play actually pans out into something. dat an explanation you can understand mang?
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guy asks for explanation, gets explanation, ignores it.
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have first meetings with prenatal specialist today. not going to be around.
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oh look, people call me mafia when i am afk. guess they are bad.
On March 14 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:The Grand Manifesto On Why Ritoky is Confirmed Town:1) Trollzy play - ritoky is incapable of humor and trollzy play as mafia. recently he demonstrated some ability to do it as Serial Killer, but that is very different from mafia. Examples of ritoky being trollzy - cell mafia 2: ritoky spams the thread with american flags and propoganda for the first 50 pages. linktitanic return of mspaint: ritoky literally does nothing the entire first and second day but antagonize people and general dickbaggery. linkmafia down under 1: such troll, much wow link2) The angry tunnel does not exist - The #1 mafia tell ritoky has as has been indicated by many players is that as mafia ritoky gets very angry when things don't go his way and he is prone to tunneling on a player and not interacting with the rest of the game. ritoky is also completely incapable of understanding jokes and flips out when people call him scum. in this game ritoky has pushed literal 0 people, never given a damn, and is content with getting lynched. clear town. Example of angry ritoky tunnels: Imperial mafia: Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 06:54 ritoky wrote:On January 08 2015 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:
Jesus christ. If I claim cop, will you lynch him? I'm literally about to fucking claim cop just to get that to happen because it's so painfully obvious to me so painfully obvious that i am the cop? oh look, all the people that you wanted to cc me have come and passed. i am the cop; you don't like my play? go fuck yourself and deal with it. we should start discussing the lynch target for the day. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:09 ritoky wrote:On January 08 2015 07:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh yeah? Why is my claim trash. Please point to any discrepancies in my claim. Go ahead big boy. Here's your time to shine as 'the real cop" 1) i am the cop 2) you claim to be cop, but you had 0 reaction to someone HARD CLAIMING YOUR ROLE last day phase while being here and actively posting the entire time. 3) you have given no indications of being cop in your entire filter. 4) you sat here calling for others to cc and saying you would make up a cc if no one cc'd. 5) you checked a dead person n1 who was universally town read i believe even by you. 6) lol @ your checks. you call my checks bad and not solving the game, yours are on another level. they also don't mesh with your reads in the slightest. you would have checked into the likes of geript/marv/palmar/jat and such because you were heavily invested in solving those discussions and a check would have gone a long way. you need to move the fuck on; you're not the cop now drop it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:On January 08 2015 07:25 IAmRobik wrote:On January 08 2015 07:24 Lazermonkey wrote:
Superbia is not here though. He hasn't posted in like forever. I don't like killing someone like that. If he keeps this up, he will probably get modkilled and what not. Was I wrong on you? are you fucking mafia bro? Literally 0% chance superbia and ritoky aren't mafia at this point. 100% chance i am not mafia. i am an uncc'd cop. get your claim shit out of the thread, you already rescinded because i posted 6 very clear reasons and you folded. you in the qt coaching someone else to cc me? mad at teammates cuz they forced you to fake a cc? tough life. 3) As mafia ritoky always has very clear lynch targets and tries to push them. This one is difficult to quote in a concise manner, you will have noticed it if you cared to do the research. Essentially, as mafia I like controlling the lynch, and I like influencing the direction of the game. Having not pushed a scum read this game, sorry cannot be mafia. 4) ritoky loves him some bussing. Not only does ritoky bus teammates hard, but he pushes back even harder. In this game, if ritoky were scum with JAT he would have bussed JAT HARD. He did not, cannot be scum. Examples: Down Under Mafia 2: ritoky tries hard to lynch Alakaslam day 1, after he magically survives, ritoky get's pissed off and calls for a vigi shot on teammate. Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 08:07 ritoky wrote:
ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW YOU PIECES OF SHIT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHEEP MY FUCKING NEAR PERFECT SLAM READ
jesus christ. vigi shoot the shit out of slam if you exist, don't even think twice. send the action in right fucking now. 0 hesitation. Carol of the Bells: Holyflare randomly starts scum reading ritoky for no reason, ritoky turns on the bus train Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:17 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why? you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so. stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am. you are mafia OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia. i don't see how anyone in their right mind who was reading this game could think any of those things about me, I posted about 700 times on bunnies after she returned with new info every time and you're telling me that finding other mafia while I sit on someone I think is mafia makes ME mafia roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl ORLY? Here is HF's initial read on bunnies: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date It is his 3rd post of the thread, from there he talks about her 2 or 3 more times while she is here. She disappears from the thread for a long time. When she comes back here are his posts: On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum He attacked marv last game On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left  Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads On December 11 2014 03:19 Holyflare wrote:why the fuck did everyone dismiss my oats point btw? "I dunno how to read oats he just bad" is not a good reason at all and none of the vets even bothered to look at it and instead started pushing other nonsense. go read it here: click me!also now that bunnies actually said her claim wasn't a claim that's just really fucking disingenuous and scummy, her kelsier points weren't very good at all and i don't like that people took her "iffy" and "people to look at" claims as backwards because iffy means you have suspicion and to look at means null but somehow you all believe it's the other way aroundthere's also what kita said which was very good, she's only stuck at her "people" to look at really as scum reads the entirety of the cycle and hasn't paticularly changed, even on me lol -.- BASED ON MY FIRST POST???? Not to mention her hard on for kelsier that hasn't disappeared ever an on a "reread" of the thread had absolutely no new information whatsoever and still was going on about her list post and her reads only from that list post I dislike HF at the moment more than froggy for his entrance post. Tbh, I understand there is a cap to posts (which I am probably rapidly approacing), but you shouldn't come into the game with the mindset that you aren't going to post much because of the cap. However, I did post a post just recently saying why I like HF now, for his view on Kelsier. literally says that i'm disliked MORE than someone with 4 posts based on my entrance post but also liked now too? kind of a waste and pretty disingenuous to still be reading me based on my first post in an entirety of filter, not to mention there's a shit town of wasted filler posts in between each of her posts like "oh does anyone else read sickluckers name differently" people should be still on her anyway i realised i actually have quite a few posts for up to deadline so that's cool and i'm super ill so will probably rest after it only the bolded part is yours here, and then: On December 11 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking. not sure I agree with this first part but the back tracking part yeh she's said "i might have to claim here" etc etc which eluded to having a role, posted the carol singers thing and then backtracked (still can't get over that -.-) etc etc and now it turns out she's just a disgruntled?
naaaaaaaaaaaaah bruv That's it, the rest of your posts after her return are about pushing on other people. you literally didn't develop this read at all after her return, you basically said "your kelsier read is crap" but now you agree with it to some extent apparently, and you didn't believe her claim/turned off by threatening a claim. that's the only development on your read since 2 hrs into the game in a 48 hour phase. that is not a HF read AT ALL. it is stagnant, it is crap, and it lynched town. you are mafia. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 13:17 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I mean I think I am at the point of confirmation bias on HF now, he is mafia. Making excuses is something HF doesn't do, he is making multiple excuses here. He wasn't using his vote as a weapon at all last phase, which is the same thing he did after day 1 of hearthstone mafia. And yes, if you have a top scum read that is so firm as you won't flinch from it from 2 hrs into the phase until the end, I expect you to devote a crap load more than you did to pushing and developing it, you didn't. As for your criticism of my LS read, you forgot the part where I backed off and started defending him. I would make this read as town, because I am town. Something I don't think you can say. Imperial Mafia: ritoky's scum reads include robik (town), superbia (teammate), marv (teammate), damdred (teammate), sicklucker (town) ritoky didn't bus JAT and doesn't have firm enough scum reads to be bussing this game. Always busses as mafia, cannot be mafia. 5) The damdred factor - Damdred has a soul read on me. He subbed into a game where no one had suggested the idea I could be SK and called me SK 2 posts in. Damdred has called ritoky town, ritoky is town. Further ritoky always shoots damdred if ritoky is mafia. ALWAYS. 6) The VT claim - very simple mafia mechanics here, if you can't understand it I don't think you deserve to be playing right now. ritoky plays troll all day 1 phase, if ritoky is mafia in this situation and is faced with lynch pressure, ritoky claims PR and either outs a PR for a trade or buys a free day. Rather than do this, ritoky pre-emptively before the lynch pressure exists claims VT. This is a play that is literally the most inefficient and stupid thing ever as mafia. 7) Divergent reads - ritoky was mislynched a lot early on in his mafia career because he doesn't often give reads in a manner that coincides or agrees with the "vets" (really the circlejerk party). In the process of rolling 13 straight town games in his first 13 TL games, it became widely known that ritoky had divergent reads as town and sick day 1 reads that should be taken to the bank. A prime example is Hearthstone mafia. In games where ritoky is mafia his reads tend to not be very against the grain. 8) The last and simplest to understand point of how ritoky cannot be mafia: the notorious giant list post. Very commonly when ritoky is mafia he makes a giant list of every player in the game and gives reads on them. It is atrociously bad and easy to spot. And that my friends is how there is literally 0 way ritoky is ever mafia this game. tl;dr: 1) troll and jokes = town (filter examples) 2) angry tunnels when mafia, no angry tunnel this game 3) likes to have clear lynch targets as mafia, pushed 0 people this game = town 4) ritoky is #1 TL busser as mafia, did not bus JAT 5) damdred soul read, ritoky always shoots damdred ASAP 6) VT claim, would have claimed PR under pressure 7) ritoky reads counter to thread sentiment -> ritoky town 8) no giant read list post = ritoky town you now know how it is impossible for ritoky to be mafia this game. anyone who votes on me is confirming their own idiocy.
follow the guide. i even posted this for every1 to see in guardians of the galaxy, then proceeded to do 3/4 of it.
sorry nerdz i be town.
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On April 11 2015 12:55 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 05:43 ritoky wrote:On April 10 2015 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
still don't know a single reason for why i'm being scum read and if they say "palmars case" without even commenting on the countless times I disproved it or stated my intentions then they are just terrible
obi still yet to pose any argument at all really why I am not town reading you: a memo by: ritoky 1) timing - hf be all like afk and shit and irl stuff and doing his gameshow thing, which i can understand having a recently pregnant wife. but when you decided to start playing serious all the sudden was pretty much after i posted this. On April 09 2015 06:06 ritoky wrote:dear vigi, if HF and his play don't amount to anything in the next 22.3741 hours, no hesitations. sincerely, your town admirer perhaps it is just unfortunate timing, but you get mentioned as a candidate for lynch/vigi and turn it on leaves me skeptical. 2) your gameshow play hasn't amounted to shit. could be irl shit interfering, until it amounts to something i can't get a read on it. especially since you basically said you were going to do it regardless of alignment. 3) effort =/= town for HF. for basically every1 on these forums except a couple people if they said irl shit getting in the way, that was true, and then played at the rate you are it would be easy to give them a passable town read. you, not so much. 4) there was an impasse of reads where yamato and i wanted to switch onto eden or vivax and you wanted palmar or obi; but i felt your motivation to lynch DR stemmed from a wanting to lynch bad play rather than wanting to lynch mafia. maybe that is a bad read by me, but that is how i read a lot of your justification. i have seen you lynch for idiocy as both alignments though (i think you do it slightly more frequently as mafia). overall it lands me at null, maybe slight scum lean esp until your gameshow play actually pans out into something. dat an explanation you can understand mang? and this huge post where he says nothing but hf is null...
? what kind of mafia gives gigantic complex null reads? this post is literal (figurative) cancer.
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could get behind a lynch on GB or eden.
eden because he seems to conclude that effort/activity = town and not-effort/activity = mafia. he is a much better player than to conclude that stupid crap as town.
gb because damdred makes his giant vote post and this response to it is trash:
On April 10 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy you make your case look like a vote count analysis when it's just narratives. A huge pile of fluff.
The effort you've put makes me wary because I know you're effortless as Mafia. The problem is that you put effort into deceiving people, making them believe you made a huge vote count analysis when you actually just post narratives.
I said once and I'll repeat: town Damdred knows me too well to call me Mafia for the reasons you called me Mafia for.
You have an idea of what my tells are. Where did you see them in this game?
no specific explanation or quotes, all general criticisms, beginnings of doubt into redoubled push, and claiming the basis is pretty much omgus. this momentary hesitation hasn't really come up again until here:
On April 11 2015 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Damdy, I decided to take a step back and try to see you coming from a town perspective. For instance I thought that if you were Mafia, your team wouldn't try to roleblock a possible jail keeper when you were in danger of being shot by the vigi.
But I fail to see you coming as town Damdred everytime I read you. I simply can't believe in any of your posts. Your night post is, again, not a "legacy" as you try to make it look like. It fits much more of a frightened Mafia perspectice who desperately seek to look townie in order to not get shot.
I fail to see what people are seeing as townie in you.
once again general criticism, lacks specifics, all heuristics. this push is fake and gb just shit fighting for the sake of shit fighting at this point. i think he realizes it is bad too.
my town reads day 1 are god tier. never doubt them: me, yamato, koshi, damdred all town never lynch.
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On April 12 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky the moment you post a meta guideline for how to identify you as town is the moment you have a guideline for how to play as mafia.
OH BUT I TROLL ALL GAEM I CANT BE MAFIAZ. Meta is meta and your contributions to this game are zero. Your play is maximum half assed.
every1 keeps telling me it gna be a girl, what name should i prepare for that?
2 games since i posted it, all of them have lined up with that post 1 way or the other, it's your fault if you don't follow the guy tryin to give you a helping hand.
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i'll be back in an hour or so.
#townjesusout
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hi, I am back.
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so why do people want to lynch yamato?
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just gonna be completely honest with you guys here. I don't want to drag my irl issues into the thread, but something is going on. the most I can muster is to sheep a decent or better read/case this phase. if you think that's grounds to lynch me that sux. I will step up next phase hopefully.
really sorry here, would replace out if I could.
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On April 12 2015 07:40 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky I posted a case on yamato. Please vote for him.
It isn't bad, I like palmar's better personally. But I could sheep it if we aren't sheeping palmar.
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On April 12 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:15 ritoky wrote:hi, I am back. so why do people want to lynch yamato? why do people not want to lynch yamato?
because his day 1 reaction to hf's game was super town and he tried to shennanie off DR when every1 started to think DR was town is what I recall off the top of my head.
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is the sheep palmar onto gb just not happening?
cuz I will vote yamato in that case. or eden.
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voted on yamato unless there's steam behind a switch to sheep palmar, or a better read/case is presented.
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On April 12 2015 07:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:46 ritoky wrote:
is the sheep palmar onto gb just not happening?
cuz I will vote yamato in that case. or eden. Na im cool with it. Palmers like always the veg here. If someone didnt claim veg with all the shit going on we blame them postgame
you sure? hasn't he claimed and unclaimed like 3 times already? I mean I like his case, but I don't put much merit in his vigi claim.
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On April 12 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:45 ritoky wrote:On April 12 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote:On April 12 2015 07:15 ritoky wrote:hi, I am back. so why do people want to lynch yamato? why do people not want to lynch yamato? because his day 1 reaction to hf's game was super town and he tried to shennanie off DR when every1 started to think DR was town is what I recall off the top of my head. so he tried to not get caught with his pants down on a town? Thats like a level 1 mafia tell. It makes him less likely to be with gb tho is that who the votes went on?
there was disagreement...I know me and yamato voted on eden, but were okay with GB. HF wanted vivax or someone else who I forget for a shennanie. both parties thought the other were stupid and nothing happened. don't quote me on this, just out of memory.
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meh I guess I just don't see people make that switch off town to try to save face play often. I think it's more likely a mafia tries to sit as the creator of the wagon and wifom argue there way out of it. why as mafia would I so adamantly push a lynch on town day 1? style. I guess that is what I would do....maybe I am just bad.
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hi, i am sorry, i have serious shit happening irl that is literally keeping me out of the game entirely.
i am town still.
fuck you SL is the first thing i want to say. i sat there and asked if there was going to be a switch to GB since he was my primary lynch target, 3 people told me no. i leave and you lynch him and blame me. fuck you first and foremost.
also GB spewed me town like no other, so i am basically confirmed now. damdred switching his read on me based on thread sentiment and activity vs what he actually reads me on above is suspect; but w/e i would probably scum read me for basically not playing for 72 hours.
anywayz, next phase the mafia is going to push a low hanging fruit ML on me, and when it comes to that i will shit town rainbows like i have been doing all game and we will lynch mafia instead of me.
back to life getting in the way of everything.
ciao
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i am here to shit town rainbows for the next hour or 2, unless confirmed town tells me we have a PoE list that will guarantee a town win, then it is okay to just lynch me and PoE win the game.
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some questions i read for me after skimming some pages:
hey ritoky, it seems like you really didn't want to lynch gb? naw i did, i like palmar's case on day 1, but it turned out to not be a viable lynch option, so i couldn't vote on it. i liked it again on day 2, i didn't really read much else of day 2; i asked the guy who was an uncc'd PR if that switch was happening, he said no and asked me to vote on yamato. so i voted on yamato. the case was okay on yamato, made him from a town read of mine to a coin flip, but at that point having not read nearly any of the phase; i just went with really the only alternative case provided to me in the thread that was worth a damn.
hey ritoky, your reads look weird, what's up with that? get in line, people been saying that about me since i started playing on TL. i have an unorthodox way of reading people that is highly effective (outside of statistics and vote logic), meh some have gotten used to it. to quote rsoultin though "i have found that when ritoky makes sense you should lynch him". trust the woman, i make tons of sense as mafia cuz i actually order and think about shit before i type.
hey ritoky, who is mafia? fuck if i know, i haven't read that much. i know i didn't like vivax too much during the part of the game i was reading and i felt that obi was trying to ride the middle; but that was a long time ago. shit coulda changed. in reality i am probably just going to sheep confirmed/semi-confirmed town on a good case because frankly their reads are more informed than mine.
any other questions?
also, gb spewed the shit out of me.
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oh, and as an aside, i was roleblocked last night.
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it was pretty much the only case provided to me. i came to the thread with 2 hours, asked who is mafia and why, the only person who gave enough of a shit about responding to me were SL/vivax. they showed me the case. could i have devoted those 2 hours to making my own decisions, and finding mafia myself? probably, but it wouldn't have been as good imo.
i liked the part about vivax's case where he started talking about yamato TRing people for right reads and MRing people for wrong reads. it made me begin to rethink if i liked him because of his play or if i just liked him because he had been town reading me since i made a gut read on him. i mean usually mafia want to keep people who agree with them/don't want to lynch them soon in the game right? makes some sense.
i will go find your vote post. comment on it soon.
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On April 14 2015 06:42 Koshi wrote:
Why did GB spew you town?
On April 12 2015 08:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 08:29 sicklucker wrote:On April 12 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
SL, read obi and tell me if he is moving the thread forward. Tell me if he is actually trying to solve the game.
You can't. I did read him when you voted him acualy deciding if I should vote him instead of ritoky. He seems pretty null for obi standards Ritoky came to the thread couple of times day one and influenced the thread direction. He is also too careless, trolling hard, drawing attention this way, which doesn't fit Mafia mindset of survival. Add to that the townreads on him by confirmed town.Obi, in the other hand, has no thread influence, wishy washy reads, passiveness and wasted the whole day1 dissing HF without making anything out of it. We also have the HF's game thing. So yes, I prefer a lynch on obi. + Show Spoiler +I also promised HF I would sheep him last game we played together and I'm doing it now since I now know he is town XD
On April 12 2015 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 09:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Obi has no thread influence. He comes by, shuts down discussion and never moves thread forward. I've never shut discussion down. I've given my reads and opinions and me not hardpushing every single lynch in the game doesn't make me mafia. He just give random reads that are mostly off, but doesn't clearly has a scum target. He says he wants to lynch both me and ritoky but does nothing in that regard. I have two scum targets, you and ritoky, but I don't have scum targets? lol Gtfo. His insistence of having me revealing HF's game content was weird, as I pointed out before. So? Scum weird or town weird, and why? Just saying it's weird is worthless. What a bad case. 1) Giving random reads and saying someone is town right when a suspicion is cast is a form to shut discussion down. All you have done this game is this, giving reads and peacing out. 2) You have me and Ritoky but you do NOTHING to have your scumreads lynched. Too much passivity. You're not trying to convince anyone to vote one of us. This is having reads but not having targets.3) Scum weird, I've explained it before. Sounded like you wanted me to spoil the game so you wouldn't look bad for not joining in. Spoiling the game was anti town agenda.
there is GB spewing me town. absolutely no reason to hard defend me. this read comes from nowhere. i don't even remember him saying a single word about me day 1, and i say i want to lynch him and he says i am town. i think he thought i would get vigi shot in the night and he wanted the credit of a right read if he survived the day. but that's kinda wifom.
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On April 14 2015 06:43 Koshi wrote:
+ Who is mafia ritoky?
i answered this above, i honestly don't know cuz i haven't read enough. maybe that opinion will change after i read damdred's post here in a second.
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On April 14 2015 06:37 Damdred wrote:
I want to dwelve deeper into the Yamato vote. And some other things.
You voted one of your top town reads because Vivax had an ok case. Limited time or not you usually make your mind up on your own and go your own way at points. The Yamato lynch was already pretty sealed if obi and I hadn't of jumped ship.
What about the case brought him to a coin flip enough to not try to push GB at least a bit more than asking I believe it was SL where you should go?
Also I want you to read my post and at least pay attention to the vote movement part I talked about and give opinions about that.
I read your vote logic and it is hard to think anything of it if I am being really honest. Your premise for everything that follows is: ritoky is mafia with GB. The majority of your following content is predicated on who could be partners with us and TRing people who lynched mafia. I can get behind the TRing those who lynched mafia part. But the association is flawed because I am town, and thus 75% of your post is invalid.
Here's the thing about it too, you're giving me way too much credit in that post. You act like I was aware of who was voting on who, what was happening in the thread, and that jazz. I wasn't. I came in, asked for cases on who was mafia. Asked the uncc'd PR if we could go on GB, he told me no, vote yamato. I trusted the uncc'd PR since what he pointed to me wasn't bad. No one else tried to sway me, provide a case for me to sheep, or anything. In fact a couple people posted in the thread while I was here and just ignored me. Basically my thought process was the following: well this guy is town, the case he pointed me to isn't the best but it isn't bad, okay fuck it vote with the confirmed town cuz I don't got time for alternatives at this point.
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On April 14 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
Ok, but what about the parts where GB moved his vote hammering himself at that point.
i mean it puts vivax on exactly scum RB as a role, which is an ambitious claim for a couple reasons:
1) does mafia really think that would go unnoticed?
2) is GB really a team player over a selfish mafia player?
3) does the mafia think they can push a lynch on someone other than vivax if it is uncovered?
to answer my own questions, the mafia team is probably not stupid enough to make such a blatant play, GB doesn't strike me as the kinda player to save his teammates over himself, and look who every1 is trying to lynch.
i don't really know what the point of what i just typed is, but w/e it is what i thought when i read it.
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Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2)[/blue - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,
here's my analysis on the day 1 vote damdred.
on average when a town is lynched on day 1, 52.4% of the mafia votes on the wagon. over half of the people who voted to lynch DR on day 1 have been flipped and every single one of them has flipped blue or town. there is likely no way that there isn't a mafia on the DR train, if not both. this means that there is guaranteed 1 mafia between koshi, vivax, and obi, with the potential of 2 mafia there.
let us now assume that it is the case where 1 is inside the vote and the other is outside the vote: the unflipped/nonclaimed players outside the vote are ritoky (conf town), yamato, and damdred. damdred literally tried to lynch mafia all game and lynched mafia, so that leaves me with yamato.
so it is either 2 of koshi, vivax, and obi. or 1 of koshi, viviax, obi + yamato. those are the only 2 worlds that exist from the day 1 vote count. if i bring in to account the day 2 vote count, let us see what it adds to spice up my life.
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On April 12 2015 12:36 Hapahauli wrote:Let me count the votes: Koshi (1) - Koshi Vivax (1) - Yamato77 Damdred (0) - Eden (0) - Palmar (0) - GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Ritoky (1) - Sicklucker Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear [blue] until deadline. Currently GlowingBear is set to be lynched.
dunno if this is the perfect vote count, but what can we know from it; our potential mafia coming into this vote are yamato, koshi, obi, and vivax. no need to color people at this point, just look at those 4 names.
obi lynches mafia, albeit somewhat incidentally it seems. his town cred is low apparently going into this, so maybe he puts a vote on his partner to try and buy some cred going forward. regardless he gets + town points for lynching mafia out of this group.
koshi self votes, w/e.
vivax makes a case on yamato and yamato is the leading candidate for the majority of the day until the wagon disperses for reasons i never bothered to read. this makes a vivax + yamato world less likely.
yamato plants a stray vote on vivax making the world that was formerly less likely more likely, and back to meh...but i still think it is least likely. since on contentious and spread out votes like this (often times an easy way to catch mafia on day 1s of games) a common tactic is to plop a stray vote on your teammate that gets no traction.
essentially day 2 doesn't do much to modify the day 1 vote outside of make obi a little less likely mafia, and kinda eliminate a yamato + vivax team although not really.
if there's a way to 100% clear yamato we can PoE win the game imo. otherwise it is best to think about if we want to live in the world of 2 within koshi, vivax, and obi or if we want to lynch yamato cuz if there is 1 inside of koshi, vivax, and obi then yamato is 100% the partner.
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Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,
EBWOP fixed coloring from above that got fucked up
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hmmm i have to go for a bit now, i will be back in a couple hours although with less time than i had this time.
i suggest people look into reasons why koshi, vivax, and obi voted on DR day 1 and why yamato decided to bail. maybe it is because i didn't read day 2 in the slightest, but the day 1 vote and lynch seems way more indicative than day 2 did.
every1 should probably determine a firm stance on yamato's alignment because unless you think he is lock town we should probably lynch him, and then consider the most likely worlds of 2 amongst koshi, vivax, and obi.
that is what i will be considering while i am away and when i come back, i hope the thread does the same.
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On April 14 2015 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77, GlowingBear, Eden
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi,
Ritoky (1) - Sicklucker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi
This is what the vote looks like before Eden and GB move onto obi.
Does it change anything?
Also your reads aren't that concrete at all i'm not sure if you actually called anyone scum in there besides hypotheticals
bleh, i dunno...why wasn't this anywhere to be found in the thread/voting thread i will consider it when i come back soon.
as of now i am in the world of yamato + 1 rather than 2 among the 3 and think we should probably lynch yamato. i kinda tried to look for reasons as to why the lynch on yamato dispersed and couldn't find a good one. i recognized that this happens to me a lot when i am mafia. there is a lynch that really should go on me and for no good reason i get it to stall out and delay another day. it just seems really similar to what i did in guardians and multiple other games, how the lynch on me just kept magically evaporating and landing on others for unexplained reasons.
for the +1....my gut tells me obi because he seemed to have stumbled into lynching his partner and he is really pushing the low hanging fruit lynch on me. but that isn't informed by a filter dive yet. hopefully i can do that tonight.
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w/e if you can't see a town when it slaps you in the face. that is on you guys. same as in XXX, i was so blatantly town it hurt and that lynch was one of the worst travesties in history.
so what, i don't have firm scum reads; i haven't read nearly half of the game. keep on pushing that low hanging fruit.
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i made my point on yamato clear: there's a lynch on yamato and for literal 0 reason the lynch evaporates and lands on someone else. it landed on mafia, which is good news, but why the shit was it ever changed in the first place?
i have no motivation to try and solve a game in which i do every town tell, am so utterly town it is painful for myself, and get 100% scum read by every single person in the game for activity reasons and because it is an easy lynch.
literal 0 people are defending me, what you think that means? are you guys seriously this dense?
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On April 14 2015 12:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:05 ritoky wrote:
w/e if you can't see a town when it slaps you in the face. that is on you guys. same as in XXX, i was so blatantly town it hurt and that lynch was one of the worst travesties in history.
so what, i don't have firm scum reads; i haven't read nearly half of the game. keep on pushing that low hanging fruit. I'm sorry if you're town but you don't really seem that townie since N1 really.
i have less that 10 posts since n1
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show me where i am not town in my posts since night 1. show me the reasons. you're going to say something like "it's in your not posting" or "you flipped on x" and the answer to that is irl and not reading, already been covered. moving on.
wait why am i talking to you, you're probably mafia.
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On April 14 2015 01:23 yamato77 wrote:Solving the Game?RitokyRitoky REALLY doesn't want to lynch GB Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:
to be serious for a moment here. i am at a real impasse.
i think palmar is pretty much null. i also have this policy where i don't vote on the largest filter day1 cuz 95% of the time dude is town.
but i also remember down under 2 where palmar had this similar insta-read on me that he blew out of proportion like this and literal 0 people listened to him, i shot him at night, and carried the game....so i am really tempted... Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:
GB is the largest filter palmar. i am talking about your read on GB this game and its similarity to your read on me in DU2 Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town? This post in particular is strange. Why would ritoky feel the need to make a post like this when I'm one of his top town reads? Also, how does he have GB as mafia (in this post) with his first two posts being what they are (a defense of GB)? Strange stuff. Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:53 ritoky wrote:On April 09 2015 11:52 yamato77 wrote:On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town? Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR? Is it that you think DR is somehow townie? If it's at all close I would just vote DR. I like palmar's read it reminds me a lot of his read on me in DU2. Plus GB has largest filter, and that is like 90-95% town based on stats. I also made that connection between DR and damdred and I think damdred is pretty town....so.... After this post he apparently sheeps me, for whatever reason, even though he seems quite unsure about himself. Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 12:59 ritoky wrote:On April 09 2015 12:58 Eden1892 wrote:On April 09 2015 12:58 ritoky wrote:ain't stealth voting shit: On April 09 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:never lynch: follow the angels one of the angels is on dr?????? that angel is afk and said sheep yamato And then... he sheeps me some more. But N1 he has a couple townie-ish posts like this one: Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 03:30 ritoky wrote:oh look, people call me mafia when i am afk. guess they are bad. On March 14 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:The Grand Manifesto On Why Ritoky is Confirmed Town:1) Trollzy play - ritoky is incapable of humor and trollzy play as mafia. recently he demonstrated some ability to do it as Serial Killer, but that is very different from mafia. Examples of ritoky being trollzy - cell mafia 2: ritoky spams the thread with american flags and propoganda for the first 50 pages. linktitanic return of mspaint: ritoky literally does nothing the entire first and second day but antagonize people and general dickbaggery. linkmafia down under 1: such troll, much wow link2) The angry tunnel does not exist - The #1 mafia tell ritoky has as has been indicated by many players is that as mafia ritoky gets very angry when things don't go his way and he is prone to tunneling on a player and not interacting with the rest of the game. ritoky is also completely incapable of understanding jokes and flips out when people call him scum. in this game ritoky has pushed literal 0 people, never given a damn, and is content with getting lynched. clear town. Example of angry ritoky tunnels: Imperial mafia: On January 08 2015 06:54 ritoky wrote:On January 08 2015 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:
Jesus christ. If I claim cop, will you lynch him? I'm literally about to fucking claim cop just to get that to happen because it's so painfully obvious to me so painfully obvious that i am the cop? oh look, all the people that you wanted to cc me have come and passed. i am the cop; you don't like my play? go fuck yourself and deal with it. we should start discussing the lynch target for the day. On January 08 2015 07:09 ritoky wrote:On January 08 2015 07:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh yeah? Why is my claim trash. Please point to any discrepancies in my claim. Go ahead big boy. Here's your time to shine as 'the real cop" 1) i am the cop 2) you claim to be cop, but you had 0 reaction to someone HARD CLAIMING YOUR ROLE last day phase while being here and actively posting the entire time. 3) you have given no indications of being cop in your entire filter. 4) you sat here calling for others to cc and saying you would make up a cc if no one cc'd. 5) you checked a dead person n1 who was universally town read i believe even by you. 6) lol @ your checks. you call my checks bad and not solving the game, yours are on another level. they also don't mesh with your reads in the slightest. you would have checked into the likes of geript/marv/palmar/jat and such because you were heavily invested in solving those discussions and a check would have gone a long way. you need to move the fuck on; you're not the cop now drop it. On January 08 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:On January 08 2015 07:25 IAmRobik wrote:On January 08 2015 07:24 Lazermonkey wrote:
Superbia is not here though. He hasn't posted in like forever. I don't like killing someone like that. If he keeps this up, he will probably get modkilled and what not. Was I wrong on you? are you fucking mafia bro? Literally 0% chance superbia and ritoky aren't mafia at this point. 100% chance i am not mafia. i am an uncc'd cop. get your claim shit out of the thread, you already rescinded because i posted 6 very clear reasons and you folded. you in the qt coaching someone else to cc me? mad at teammates cuz they forced you to fake a cc? tough life. 3) As mafia ritoky always has very clear lynch targets and tries to push them. This one is difficult to quote in a concise manner, you will have noticed it if you cared to do the research. Essentially, as mafia I like controlling the lynch, and I like influencing the direction of the game. Having not pushed a scum read this game, sorry cannot be mafia. 4) ritoky loves him some bussing. Not only does ritoky bus teammates hard, but he pushes back even harder. In this game, if ritoky were scum with JAT he would have bussed JAT HARD. He did not, cannot be scum. Examples: Down Under Mafia 2: ritoky tries hard to lynch Alakaslam day 1, after he magically survives, ritoky get's pissed off and calls for a vigi shot on teammate. On March 04 2015 08:07 ritoky wrote:
ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW YOU PIECES OF SHIT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHEEP MY FUCKING NEAR PERFECT SLAM READ
jesus christ. vigi shoot the shit out of slam if you exist, don't even think twice. send the action in right fucking now. 0 hesitation. Carol of the Bells: Holyflare randomly starts scum reading ritoky for no reason, ritoky turns on the bus train On December 11 2014 12:17 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why? you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so. stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am. you are mafia OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia. i don't see how anyone in their right mind who was reading this game could think any of those things about me, I posted about 700 times on bunnies after she returned with new info every time and you're telling me that finding other mafia while I sit on someone I think is mafia makes ME mafia roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl ORLY? Here is HF's initial read on bunnies: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date It is his 3rd post of the thread, from there he talks about her 2 or 3 more times while she is here. She disappears from the thread for a long time. When she comes back here are his posts: On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum He attacked marv last game On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads On December 11 2014 03:19 Holyflare wrote:why the fuck did everyone dismiss my oats point btw? "I dunno how to read oats he just bad" is not a good reason at all and none of the vets even bothered to look at it and instead started pushing other nonsense. go read it here: click me!also now that bunnies actually said her claim wasn't a claim that's just really fucking disingenuous and scummy, her kelsier points weren't very good at all and i don't like that people took her "iffy" and "people to look at" claims as backwards because iffy means you have suspicion and to look at means null but somehow you all believe it's the other way aroundthere's also what kita said which was very good, she's only stuck at her "people" to look at really as scum reads the entirety of the cycle and hasn't paticularly changed, even on me lol -.- BASED ON MY FIRST POST???? Not to mention her hard on for kelsier that hasn't disappeared ever an on a "reread" of the thread had absolutely no new information whatsoever and still was going on about her list post and her reads only from that list post I dislike HF at the moment more than froggy for his entrance post. Tbh, I understand there is a cap to posts (which I am probably rapidly approacing), but you shouldn't come into the game with the mindset that you aren't going to post much because of the cap. However, I did post a post just recently saying why I like HF now, for his view on Kelsier. literally says that i'm disliked MORE than someone with 4 posts based on my entrance post but also liked now too? kind of a waste and pretty disingenuous to still be reading me based on my first post in an entirety of filter, not to mention there's a shit town of wasted filler posts in between each of her posts like "oh does anyone else read sickluckers name differently" people should be still on her anyway i realised i actually have quite a few posts for up to deadline so that's cool and i'm super ill so will probably rest after it only the bolded part is yours here, and then: On December 11 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking. not sure I agree with this first part but the back tracking part yeh she's said "i might have to claim here" etc etc which eluded to having a role, posted the carol singers thing and then backtracked (still can't get over that -.-) etc etc and now it turns out she's just a disgruntled?
naaaaaaaaaaaaah bruv That's it, the rest of your posts after her return are about pushing on other people. you literally didn't develop this read at all after her return, you basically said "your kelsier read is crap" but now you agree with it to some extent apparently, and you didn't believe her claim/turned off by threatening a claim. that's the only development on your read since 2 hrs into the game in a 48 hour phase. that is not a HF read AT ALL. it is stagnant, it is crap, and it lynched town. you are mafia. On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. On December 11 2014 13:17 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I mean I think I am at the point of confirmation bias on HF now, he is mafia. Making excuses is something HF doesn't do, he is making multiple excuses here. He wasn't using his vote as a weapon at all last phase, which is the same thing he did after day 1 of hearthstone mafia. And yes, if you have a top scum read that is so firm as you won't flinch from it from 2 hrs into the phase until the end, I expect you to devote a crap load more than you did to pushing and developing it, you didn't. As for your criticism of my LS read, you forgot the part where I backed off and started defending him. I would make this read as town, because I am town. Something I don't think you can say. Imperial Mafia: ritoky's scum reads include robik (town), superbia (teammate), marv (teammate), damdred (teammate), sicklucker (town) ritoky didn't bus JAT and doesn't have firm enough scum reads to be bussing this game. Always busses as mafia, cannot be mafia. 5) The damdred factor - Damdred has a soul read on me. He subbed into a game where no one had suggested the idea I could be SK and called me SK 2 posts in. Damdred has called ritoky town, ritoky is town. Further ritoky always shoots damdred if ritoky is mafia. ALWAYS. 6) The VT claim - very simple mafia mechanics here, if you can't understand it I don't think you deserve to be playing right now. ritoky plays troll all day 1 phase, if ritoky is mafia in this situation and is faced with lynch pressure, ritoky claims PR and either outs a PR for a trade or buys a free day. Rather than do this, ritoky pre-emptively before the lynch pressure exists claims VT. This is a play that is literally the most inefficient and stupid thing ever as mafia. 7) Divergent reads - ritoky was mislynched a lot early on in his mafia career because he doesn't often give reads in a manner that coincides or agrees with the "vets" (really the circlejerk party). In the process of rolling 13 straight town games in his first 13 TL games, it became widely known that ritoky had divergent reads as town and sick day 1 reads that should be taken to the bank. A prime example is Hearthstone mafia. In games where ritoky is mafia his reads tend to not be very against the grain. 8) The last and simplest to understand point of how ritoky cannot be mafia: the notorious giant list post. Very commonly when ritoky is mafia he makes a giant list of every player in the game and gives reads on them. It is atrociously bad and easy to spot. And that my friends is how there is literally 0 way ritoky is ever mafia this game. tl;dr: 1) troll and jokes = town (filter examples) 2) angry tunnels when mafia, no angry tunnel this game 3) likes to have clear lynch targets as mafia, pushed 0 people this game = town 4) ritoky is #1 TL busser as mafia, did not bus JAT 5) damdred soul read, ritoky always shoots damdred ASAP 6) VT claim, would have claimed PR under pressure 7) ritoky reads counter to thread sentiment -> ritoky town 8) no giant read list post = ritoky town you now know how it is impossible for ritoky to be mafia this game. anyone who votes on me is confirming their own idiocy. follow the guide. i even posted this for every1 to see in guardians of the galaxy, then proceeded to do 3/4 of it. sorry nerdz i be town. D2, though, he whiffs pretty hard with these two posts: Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 03:47 ritoky wrote:could get behind a lynch on GB or eden. eden because he seems to conclude that effort/activity = town and not-effort/activity = mafia. he is a much better player than to conclude that stupid crap as town. gb because damdred makes his giant vote post and this response to it is trash: On April 10 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy you make your case look like a vote count analysis when it's just narratives. A huge pile of fluff.
The effort you've put makes me wary because I know you're effortless as Mafia. The problem is that you put effort into deceiving people, making them believe you made a huge vote count analysis when you actually just post narratives.
I said once and I'll repeat: town Damdred knows me too well to call me Mafia for the reasons you called me Mafia for.
You have an idea of what my tells are. Where did you see them in this game? no specific explanation or quotes, all general criticisms, beginnings of doubt into redoubled push, and claiming the basis is pretty much omgus. this momentary hesitation hasn't really come up again until here: On April 11 2015 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Damdy, I decided to take a step back and try to see you coming from a town perspective. For instance I thought that if you were Mafia, your team wouldn't try to roleblock a possible jail keeper when you were in danger of being shot by the vigi.
But I fail to see you coming as town Damdred everytime I read you. I simply can't believe in any of your posts. Your night post is, again, not a "legacy" as you try to make it look like. It fits much more of a frightened Mafia perspectice who desperately seek to look townie in order to not get shot.
I fail to see what people are seeing as townie in you. once again general criticism, lacks specifics, all heuristics. this push is fake and gb just shit fighting for the sake of shit fighting at this point. i think he realizes it is bad too. my town reads day 1 are god tier. never doubt them: me, yamato, koshi, damdred all town never lynch. (emphasis mine) Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:46 ritoky wrote:
is the sheep palmar onto gb just not happening?
cuz I will vote yamato in that case. or eden. How did this switch happen exactly? >____> But his last post was this: Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 12:02 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am sorry, i have serious shit happening irl that is literally keeping me out of the game entirely.
i am town still.
fuck you SL is the first thing i want to say. i sat there and asked if there was going to be a switch to GB since he was my primary lynch target, 3 people told me no. i leave and you lynch him and blame me. fuck you first and foremost.
also GB spewed me town like no other, so i am basically confirmed now. damdred switching his read on me based on thread sentiment and activity vs what he actually reads me on above is suspect; but w/e i would probably scum read me for basically not playing for 72 hours.
anywayz, next phase the mafia is going to push a low hanging fruit ML on me, and when it comes to that i will shit town rainbows like i have been doing all game and we will lynch mafia instead of me.
back to life getting in the way of everything.
ciao His GB read was weird overall (especially D1) and I don't like his about-face on me but it's REALLY hard to overlook some of the genuine stuff in his filter and especially his IDGAF attitude on D1/N1 where he was all badass with his GIF game. Man, fuck. I dunno anymore.
this is what you posted about me. you are calling me mafia for not concluding anything, then look at your conclusion.
nuff said
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basically what i have determined is that people think i am mafia because:
1) they can't understand my reads day 1 - get in line, i don't understand your reads day 1
2) i am inactive - we have been over this, if i could have been replaced earlier i would have
3) my voting day 2 - i sheeped an uncc'd PR onto the case he told me when he said the vote i wanted wasn't happening. then we lynched the person i wanted to vote, after i asked the uncc'd PR why the hell we couldn't vote on him.
if you've got a point outside of these, it is also irrelevant because i am town and check out this rainbow i am shitting right now. fucking nerd mafia thinking i am low hanging fruit, i will shit and shit and shit until you are blind from color exposure.
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actually i just read obi's filter. i think obi is super town.
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I actually completely mischaracterized Obi when I said he stumbled into the lynch. I just said that cuz of how the votes looked. I was real fucking wrong.
He has a really good progression on GB and you should probably never lynch Obi because this is a mafia of the year level bus if it is real.
On April 08 2015 13:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tbh I really liked the fact that Palmar had the same observation as me in regards to HF's actions thus far, because it seemed like he wasn't jumping to the same conclusions as everyone else was. I don't have an issue with his GB push.
Holyflare generating discussion doesn't make him town. He does so regardless of alignment and I think that the cases he has presented thus far have been rather lame.
Obi takes notice of the interactions, and agrees GB should be pushed for more info. It eventually results in a solid enough scum read and Obi saying:
On April 09 2015 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I can lynch Gb.
Even if Hf is going to be bad and call us both mafia.
He keeps asking people questions with GB at the center of it all. He always wants to know why GB moved from x to y or how people are reading GB; here's and example:
On April 09 2015 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm inclined to side with Palmar when it comes to this lynch.
Rso, can you explain why you thought Gb was town?
Ultimately Obi arrives at the EXACT SAME PLACE I ARRIVED AT:
On April 09 2015 11:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred's post on GB is pretty good.
Palmar's points on GB are pretty good.
I still think his read on Holyflare is bad and his stubborn refusal to explain it is scummy.
That's a good vote.
I could potentially coalesce with yamato on Dr. I thought that case was pretty good but I think the points on GB are better.
Pedit: Chill yam, I already voted.
He is in the same place I was right here:
On April 09 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:
to be serious for a moment here. i am at a real impasse.
i think palmar is pretty much null. i also have this policy where i don't vote on the largest filter day1 cuz 95% of the time dude is town.
but i also remember down under 2 where palmar had this similar insta-read on me that he blew out of proportion like this and literal 0 people listened to him, i shot him at night, and carried the game....so i am really tempted...
Both of us like Palmar's case, but both of us also like the Yamato train on DR and the people voting on it. At nearly the exact same point we are feeling pretty much the exact same way, which is conflicted on preferring 1 case for content, and the other for town reads voting on it.
then we get this really interesting part where the shennanie starts to happen. I start to think about switching, obi says he may switch too and that we should switch to GB. then yamato HARD defends GB (read full quote):
On April 09 2015 12:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 12:08 yamato77 wrote:On April 09 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If we're yoloing someone, we should just yolo GB. that's exactly who we shouldn't YOLO onto Why not?
immediately following the vote Obi thinks he should have favored his own reads and the case he preferred this is town as fuckkkkkk. some people call me mafia when i do shit like this, but it is super town to me, it isn't in caps and showy; it is just simple regret:
On April 09 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Should have stuck to the GB vote honestly.
after that there is a brief period where Obi is super confused because he is unsure of Palmar and HF's alignments and what that does to his GB read, but ultimately the scum read is his biggest sticking point in the game as is displayed here:
On April 11 2015 11:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 10:11 Damdred wrote:On April 11 2015 09:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 11 2015 07:06 GlowingBear wrote:On April 11 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:@GB I've got a giant pile of people I wouldn't lynch: On April 11 2015 01:24 Eden1892 wrote:
I think we need to lynch Palmar today, I got a lot of tr's outside of the rb claims and Palmar was jailed with missing kp so that seems like the best play.
I don't want to lynch these guys (listed in signups order):
Damdred
Koshi
sicklucker
Vivax
me
ritoky
yamato
I'm very probably wrong about one of these tho b/c obi/gb/palmar is a weird scumteam. But I don't really care much about that right now cuz I think Palmar is almost certainly mafia.
voting palmar Although since this post ritoky is kinda droppin off. Idk how much of it has to do with his wife's pregnancy but it is 100% his tendency to drop off like this as scum so I might have to take him off the list. yamato also seems absent but I don't think I'm as ready to take him off yet. Do you see a possibility where me and Palmar are both town? Why do you townread Damdred? What would make obi Mafia? Eden never really has anything backing the fact that he thinks I'm mafia. He thinks I'm mafia every time he rolls town so him including me in his lists for no reason at all is basically normal. Who's mafia Obi who would you lynch Kind of waiting for yamato to catch back up. I followed up on what Vivax told me and he does tend to fall off after day 1 as mafia even if he actually starts playing. We'll see. Otherwise, I'm not so sure atm. Maybe Gb, for lack of better ideas.
his default read is lynch GB. like if all other avenues don't pan out, he still wants to lynch GB. this is not a read you make on your partner. Obi is never with GB from this point forward.
the rest of his filter is him pushing for a GB lynch and then him manifesting some crap read on me:
On April 12 2015 02:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I never said I wanted to lynch ritoky over Gb. I said that we're probably going to lynch ritoky over Gb because ritoky isn't doing anything.
What is with you and this fascination with me/ and my Gb read?
On April 12 2015 09:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The scumteam is probably something along the lines of yamato/Eden/GlowingBear.
On April 12 2015 11:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eh, I'd feel better about killing one of Eden/Gb today.
Can we get enough people online for that instead?
On April 12 2015 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
We can switch to Gb.
The push is nonstop. There is no coincidence about it. Obi is not bussing here. He is town 100% of the time.
This might mean we can PoE lynch the other 3 and win, gonna have to read a bit more.
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wait a fucking second too. i am thinking about how the DR lynch even began and look at my post:
On April 08 2015 13:40 ritoky wrote:damdred most probably isn't mafia; but if he is, then he is mafia with dreadreturn.
so my post here is the beginnings of the lynch on DR that yamato et all go on to push. but my fucking premise is: i don't think damdred is mafia, thus i don't think DR is mafia. yet they take what i present as a linking factor and construe it into DR = mafia. no wonder i wasn't wild about this case. what the fuck was i smoking when i sided with this over palmar's case?
also this post sequence is starting to seem more relevant to me:
On April 08 2015 14:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:06 ritoky wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? cuz when HF came out with his plan: yamato all like and then some1 else be like vsing yamato abotu dat shit and he be like mafia prob don't take such a vindicated stance so immediately esp in a neg direction abt HF's play. hence why yamato is: On April 07 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote:yamato - i have a reason to disagree with this that i am not going to present att you know apart from the usual wifom regarding an argument like this to begin with xP but i do understand your position even if i don't agree with it -shrugs-
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as an aside, that gif is fucking golden.
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i think that means we can PoE lynch koshi/vivax/yamato and win the game.
i need to read their filters and really see who are my top 2 from that list.
never lynch: ritoky, damdred, palmar, obi.
i may be back more tonight to shit more rainbows; for now i think i would plant my 2 as yamato/vivax
vivax is like 60/40 over koshi for no specific reason that i can remember.
yamato is like 90/10 mafia. just look at his read on me. you'll see the utter failure of coherence and the hypocrisy.
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On April 14 2015 12:56 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky what do you think of Yamatos fast turn around? Also opinions on Vivax.
he is at least a complete hypocrite, and at best obvious mafia.
gonna go with obvious mafia, but will dig into his filter more later. i seem to remember him shit fighting with HF even though i felt he didn't believe in his HF read, then completely dropping off after HF died. just thinking of it, it sounds like a swag play i would make as mafia. but i will go to yamato's filter with the next bit of time i have.
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came back for a brief moment to say i don't have enough time tonight to do another filter dive.
look at yamato's reaction lol, guy is almost certainly mafia. keep trying to bury the guy shitting town rainbows son, that'll work out well for you. you're mafia, but even for that your criticism of me is terrible twice now and you're hedging.
you criticize me for not concluding enough when i made a post about the votes, when just previously your read on me had concluded in "IDK".
you criticize me here for making a town case on obi. did you not read? like 5 posts earlier i said that vote logic and my gut told me obi was mafia with you. i then went into his filter and discovered that i was utterly wrong and posted why. i don't feel i even need to look at your filter after your reaction here.
oh and "I'm going to be fucking indecisive, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF KNOWING PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENTS." what makes me scum makes you town. got it.
98/2 mafia.
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be back tomorrow morning/afternoon. would you prefer i barf the rainbows then? or more shitting of rainbows?
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oh forgot to mention the hedging part. you do the whole "omg such strong TR day 1, so could be, but not convinced bit". way to set up the hedging quote for later after i flip town. plzzzzz
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am back, reading thread then if there's nothing to comment on, going through a filter.
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vivax thinks i might be town and koshi made a post which basically said "wow ritoky is super town right here, let's lynch him"
more inclined to think koshi is mafia over vivax now, but w/e that's not an issue to deal with today going to dig into yamato's filter.
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Why Yamato is Mafia:
I think this case is actually quite simple to make, but I will give it some length and explanation for those who prefer that sort of thing. For those who aren't interested, I will save you the time and tell you the #1 point now: Yamato hard defends GB because DR is "mafia chainsaw defending him". He then no longer likes the DR wagon and DR flips town, yet Yamato keeps defending GB. The premise of his read had been falsified entirely, but he kept pushing GB's defense.
Now for the lengthy version:
DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity.Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.Plus, he's a fucking smurf.
Here we get the basis of the wagon that was pushed onto DR. The premise is that DR is unjustly defending GB because GB was spewing scummy shit and the interactions with Palmar were crap thus he is mafia. To simplify the first point GB does scummy shit, DR defends GB for doing scummy shit, DR = mafia and GB = ? Read below for the answer boys!
GlowingBearTHE MOMENT OF TRUTH WHAT DO I NOW THINK ABOUT GB?!?!? I'll skip over to the posts I have yet to comment on. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him. It is. Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia. Apparently he actually believes the idea that Palmar is mafia. Essentially alignment null, but worth noting. He also soulreads HF town for the game thing, even though Obi literally pointed out that HF has done this shit as mafia before. Could just be a really bad player. He is one of the most active players, and while I disagree with his reads and how he approaches the game, it's difficult to believe that GB is actually mafia here. He is most likely similar to Eden in that they say horrible and bad things all the time but are actually just town. So yeah. Plus, it makes more sense if he's town given that mafia-DR is chainsaw defending him. Will switch my vote posthaste.
List Thingy For People Too Dumb To Read
Because there are many of you and I don't discriminate
ritoky
rsoul
Koshi
gb
eden
Palmar
damdred?
obi
HF
Onegu
Vivax
DreadReturn
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GB = Town???? Wait so GB did a bunch of scummy shit, has reads you think are terrible, is shit fighting someone in the thread, and you think he is town? Why the hell is that the case? "He actually believes Palmar is mafia" Wifom. "He soulreads HF" plz. "Activity" I am the only person on these forums who actively uses D1 activity as a policy, so nope not that either.
Then we arrive at the real reason he is reading GB town here: "Plus, it makes more sense if he's town given that mafia-DR is chainsaw defending him. Will switch my vote posthaste."
He is reading GB town because he thinks DR is mafia and is chainsaw defending GB. To break this down in simple terms for you: GB does scummy shit, DR defends scummy looking GB, DR is mafia, Is DR hard defending? If not, then chainsaw town. That is the entire basis of his GB read right now.
I also want you to note, as a lesser point that is recurring over the course of the game. Yamato's top town reads are always people who almost unanimously agree with his reads. I will come back to that later if I find it more relevant than this current point.
So what happened to this GB linked to DR being mafia read:
On April 09 2015 02:14 yamato77 wrote:
We're lynching DreadReturn, bar none.
Still good.
On April 09 2015 04:38 yamato77 wrote:
No, we're still lynching DreadReturn.
Still good.
On April 09 2015 10:50 yamato77 wrote:
HF/Obi, you guys arguing isn't going to get the other one lynched, especially not today.
I'm fine with GB/DR wagons so you need to choose from those two and vote between them.
Now we're starting to get a little whacky here, it is going off the rails boys.
On April 09 2015 11:21 yamato77 wrote:
Alright we're not lynching GB, scummy fucks on that lynch
Anyone who thinks I'm town needs to vote DR
The course has been corrected.
(read full quote of following)
On April 09 2015 12:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If we're yoloing someone, we should just yolo GB. that's exactly who we shouldn't YOLO onto
Here is where I will actually begin commenting again. Yamato has now come to the conclusion he wants off the DR wagon and it is time to start the shennanie. Let's go back to the premise of his GB read: GB = slightly town because mafia DR is chainsaw defending GB. This is his read. He has now invalidated the premise of his read by deciding he doesn't believe that DR is mafia or at least not mafia enough to lynch today. Obi suggests a switch onto GB as do a couple others and Yamato shoots it down. Why? His read only works if DR is mafia. DR is not mafia in his mind anymore, so why is he even defending GB?
On April 09 2015 12:17 yamato77 wrote:
We ARE NOT lynching Palmar.
The lynch is now between DR and Vivax, since both of them are around to show their alignment.
EVERYONE follows me when I make my choice.
He is eliminating GB's name from the conversation of who is even potentially switchable. This is absolutely clear he is mafia preserving his partner by taking his name out of the conversation for potential shennanie and trying to steer it somewhere else. (this also makes him less likely mafia with vivax, but save that for another time).
Just to review this process so far if you're not seeing how utterly mafia it is: GB does scummy shit -> DR defends GB -> yamato reads DR mafia -> yamato thinks mafia DR chainsaw defending town GB -> yamato no longer thinks DR is the lynch/mafia -> yamato continues to defend GB as town.
When you falsify the entire premise of your read and then continue to push the conclusion it means that in all likelihood you have additional information that made you arrive at that conclusion. That additional information in this case is that GB and yamato are mafia together.
After that yamato shit fights with HF for the night, kills HF to swag on him most likely, then just vanishes for the majority of the following phase.
Here is the swag post:
On April 10 2015 13:09 yamato77 wrote:
YES HF IS DEAD
I CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME NOW
And here is the only mention of GB in yamato's filter for the day that GB gets lynched (it is right at the start of the day):
On April 10 2015 13:15 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax is easily the best lynch.
Palmar isn't scum tho.
GB probably is.
After this he says literally nothing about GB the entire phase when GB get's lynched. His read has been altered now after hard defending him from a shennanie to "probably scum" for no justified reason. And even though he is "probably scum" he never mentions him again the entirety of day 2 and only mentions vivax as scum that should be lynched. LITERALLY 0 MENTION OF SOMEONE YOU HAVE AS PROBABLY SCUM???????? Lynch him, Lynch him with fire.
Remember them reads early on?
On April 14 2015 00:56 yamato77 wrote:
I think it's Koshi/Ritoky.
Now that neither 1 agrees with you at this point they are mafia eh? Funny how things come full circle.
Some side points to supplement this big point are:
1) He was shit fighting with HF and I sincerely don't think he believed a single word of what he was fighting with HF about. It read as fighting for the sake of fighting.
2) He has been fighting with someone all game long, whether it be HF or Vivax or someone else, he is always shit fighting someone over something minute.
3) Activity and content dropoff after HF is out of the game. I think this points to him swag killing HF. Once the person he was swagging on in thread is gone he is suddenly uninterested in the game.
Simply put, yamato was hard defending confirmed mafia for an invalid reason, he was shit fighting with HF over something he didn't seem to believe in, his activity dropped off after HF was removed from the game, he has been non-stop combative with someone, and completely ignored confirmed mafia on the day of his lynch choosing instead to talk only about vivax. Yamato is mafia, lynch him 99 times straight, and on the hundredth kick him in the nuts then lynch him.
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i don't have enough time to do that extensive of a look into koshi and vivax too right now, at best i can do a cursory scan of their filters if you guys would like that as well.
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You saw the tree and missed the forest. It isn't because you defended GB, it is because your reason for defending him was utter horseshit to start, and then it got invalidated yet you maintained your defense.
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Having glanced through Koshi's filter, a few quick comments:
I remember reading him town day 1 because he telegraphed his play in a way that seemed honest to me about how he was going to try and play more withdrawn and post less, but then ultimately he couldn't help himself and started posting a lot more. It just read to me like someone who wanted to make an honest change, but just couldn't hold themselves back. To me it was quite town indicative and until this phase I hadn't really considered him anything other than town for it.
The reasons why koshi could be mafia are basically 2-fold: he has been too wrong for town koshi and he has not really gone for the lynch targets he wants.
The been too wrong part is pretty self explanatory.
The not pushing his lynch targets. When I think of town koshi I think of him trying to lynch me in XXX even though I am the towniest miller who ever towned. Or way back when where him and I wanted to lynch chromatically for 3 straight days and yelled at the town mafia siding the entire way and were relentless. I don't see his drive and passion to get his lynches this game which could be mafia indicative. I have a real hard time coming off of my day 1 read on him though, but if he thinks I am mafia he is wrong on literally everything.
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You can't defend against my case, you can't invalidate my reads, you can't stop people from seeing the rainbows of town I am shitting; so you're trying to start a mud slinging contest with me. It is clear who is the mafia here.
Also have you played with town Koshi before? Guy has pretty good reads. So while too wrong doesn't apply to most, I hold him to a higher standard. Like I do HF.
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Because I haven't really dug into either of your filters. If I am alive tonight I will do for koshi and vivax what I did for obi and yamato. I made a list of 4 people who I think we should lynch into, I established my priorities as yamato and obi first, and did the case on them. I am limited by time and availability otherwise I would tell you a stronger opinion.
If I am going on memory alone. I have a stronger town indicator on Koshi from day 1 than I do from you over the course of the game, but you think I am town and Koshi doesn't seem to think so; which puts me in the gray zone on which one of you I think is mafia. I need to dive filters to find out which, but I don't have the time right now.
I wish I had a stronger opinion with more firm reasons, and tbqh if I was mafia I probably would have a more definitive stance to try and buy one of your votes. But I don't and I won't until I do the leg work in your guys' filters.
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On April 15 2015 07:13 Damdred wrote:
Of course town Koshi is right a lot, but he's wrong to. Marv is right a ton wrong more.
I don't know if necessarily that's indicative at all, or a good heuristic. I'm pretty sure it's not hobestly
Yeah maybe it is a crap reason to have a read, but I can tell you with certainty that when Koshi and HF start voting on towns, I start worrying about them a bit. Regardless of if it is bad, it is a function that occurs in my brain and I am not gonna deny it.
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On April 15 2015 07:22 Vivax wrote:
The HF shitfight
yamato starts out by yelling at HF for calling DR a policy lynch and wanting to lynch him for it.
On April 09 2015 10:52 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not bullying anyone off of dr until he name claims and i make a decision. he isn't going to, and policy lynching a smurf is a shit reason to vote someone make a real decision between actually viable lynches.
this is the kinda fine part of it. it goes on a bit longer during the end of phase because there is a disagreement over who to swap on and if DR is policy or not. i can understand this a bit coming from a town perspective of frustration. it continues a bit and he keeps yelling at HF about him not being policy and whatnot until the end of the day phase. where the shitfight that has 0 reason behind it and he doesn't believe in starts is when it boils into night phase:
On April 09 2015 13:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 13:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 13:11 yamato77 wrote:
Should have switched to Vivax. So yeh why did you want to switch to your biggest scum read that you pushed forevers scum read? stop being a shitter
On April 10 2015 04:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 23:23 Holyflare wrote:
Boo fucking hoo. He only looked towny to me in his FINAL reads post. That was what, 30 mins before deadline and yamato was calling for a scummy switch. you POS I'm fucking murdering you for this shitpost
On April 10 2015 06:28 yamato77 wrote:HF literally typing absolute lies into the thread at this point: Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote:HF was looking town until his game thing wasn't the thing I thought it was. His defense on me is weird and his push on Dread is completely off. Lunching the guy because he didn't reveal his name is silly. And by lunching him, he keeps me alive and the discussion wether I'm Mafia or not goes on. In the other hand, his attempts to tease me by calling me useless and awful sounded townie, since he knows I'm sensible to that shit and if I'm town I would be on his neck for this. This attempt to uncover my alignment looks townie to me. So, I have to evaluate him better. I literally just told you that WAS my intention with the game and you're saying it wasn't? I also did not lynch dread because he didn't reveal his name, I lynched him for being scummy and then because there was no alternative with such short time. If I were to perpetuate the you being called mafia argument I would be feeding people as you being mafia but I'm not. I also don't like your Palmar point because he didn't have double standards he scum read you for not portraying what you think you were portraying with the initial post whereas Eden was nothing like that. Obi read is based on weird shit that isn't even relevant. Damdred is an on read but meh. Your reads are pretty lackluster gb it's not really based on like... points in the game at all, it's a bit hypocritical that you're saying palmar is mafia for picking on only one post but then you are calling him mafia for one post with double standards Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
3o minutes till deadline with everyone around is perfect time. Bullshit.
On April 10 2015 06:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 12:34 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that is not dr or gb is new and i don't want to scum lynch any of those people. Eden list post is also total trash lol HF you're so full of shit
On April 10 2015 07:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 07:37 Holyflare wrote:On April 10 2015 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I don't hold a grudge against you yamato. You led the town down the dark path of lynching a towny. It's frustrating and you're taking your anger out on me. I get it, you shirk your own failures onto the next best target that is under pressure. You're a coward. It's ok. I don't hold it against you. I'm not going to needlessly call you mafia for organising the mislynch and forcing people into it. I played a part in it to and I put my own resent for idiots ahead of a mafia lynch. I admit that. Shhhh now. Sleep young one.
I shall lead you to redemption. Does this look like i scum read yamato at all palmar? You even asked if i did and I said he was towny all day. Why lie again? Pretty shallow list of reasoning for everyone you have their palmar. you're too much of a pussy to scumread me you'll just call me bad and question my decision making gj
it goes on and on and on and on until HF is dead. honestly i think all this is about is HF called yamato bad and yamato just spams the thread calling him a shitter. and even before that it might have started with HF calling yamato's case a policy case which yamato took as an insult. that's the motivation i am reading, there isn't much game solving going on at all. it is a fight to fight.
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I have to go now for a bit, I will be back again hopefully before the deadline.
I think I have sufficiently proven how town I am.
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On April 24 2015 13:04 Damdred wrote:
Thoughts go out to ritoky and his wife and hope the pregnancy complications are going better glad I could bring it home for you bud
thanks for the carry damdy :D that's 5 or 6 consecutive wins as mafia for me now i think, when do i get to make the top players list? ;P kinda upset that i played so well early and it got utterly derailed by life, but them the jams sometimes i suppose. sorry for not being able to make it through that last day, i almost got obi to flip on me
thanks for the thoughts, hopefully by the 1st of may much of the problems will be sorted out at least for the 2nd trimester and i can potentially have enough peace of mind to play again....and roll mafia again.....but then again even though i like it less i apparently win a lot so, dunno.
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I also wanted to comment somewhere, so I guess here is as good a place as any; that I think there is legitimately something beneficial to a mafia team that gets along, communicates in a positive manner, and actively plans as a team and not as individuals. Having seen some and been in some games of mafia QTs with yelling, fighting over night actions, people saying "i can't do x cuz it ruins my game" instead of thinking for the team, and the like; I hope more people who roll mafia try to work in their QT in a more positive and team oriented manner of communication....unless I roll town, then shitfight and play bad in your QT
Basically be nice and unselfish as mafia in your QT and it seems to lead to higher success rates.
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