Newbie Student Mafia VII - Page 8

On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke

I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.

Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.

Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk.

On April 16 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote:


But I do. I still think you'll flip scum. I'm still voting you. If you don't, gg. If you do, I die tonight and my game is over. I'm fine with that. I'm already done with this one, due in large part to how badly I played.

And since I'm alrdy getting flamed in Obs, I'm sure, I'll add fuel to the fire saying this: you were blue fishing there. I wasn't looking for him to claim. I was looking for him to cash in on that promise of me seeing why he was town. I didn't see it so I shot.

You were a town lean at one point for me. Stutters was a scum read that I said had "significantly better" activity and couldn't be lynched D2. I was torn between you two. I saw scum in both of you at different points. I decided to trust my original gut instinct from D1.

On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:


Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read.

There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now.

I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia.

On April 16 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:


that at least makes more sense than thinking he'd claim lol ><

but that still doesn't explain why you thought breshke "blue-fishing" at your scumread made him scum? i'm really confused how you can think they're scum together, where breshke is doing something that could be construed as blue-fishing a scummate who is softing blue? or not...softing blue? like how does that thought process even go, shining?

On April 16 2015 10:18 Tubesock wrote:


You'll find out why soon enough.

On April 15 2015 10:35 The Shining wrote:
I want to take a look at votes. When two wagons are this close, and there are active players moving to defend one or both lynches, it makes me think one of those wagons was scum. In a town v town scenario, I feel there would be less resistance as scum would be getting one step closer to their wincon regardless of who is lynched. Instead, the wagons were close right up until EoD.

Final vote count:

TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke

Off of votes alone, prpl looks the worst. He is the lone wasted vote and afk at Eod.

Bourne has been consistent in scumming/wanting to lynch Dwarf and him not providing anything for town to work with. He was also the first vote on Dwarf. I can't see scum Bourne being this dead set, specially as a newbie, on going after the same ML d1 & d2.

Next is me. Objectively, my vote comes in right when I come back to thread. Being on my way to work, I was afraid I'd miss EoD but that wasn't the case. And I read Dwarf time and again. From my entrance to now, I could not see the town in him. I've alrdy addressed JJB's thoughts on Prpl being the one defending Dwarf when everyone else had him null at best.

This leaves Tube, RSo, Trfel. I'm still not convinced Trfel is scum, as his play does not fit what I know of his scum meta. Aside from him voting with his top scumread, I can't see scum motivation in any of his posts. I do see a lot of analysis and critical thinking, in spite of the fact most of it is directed towards me.

I had to step back and look objectively at RSo. I might be blinded by the fact that her voting Dwarf essentially saved me. However, knowing my alignment and now Dwarf's, I can't think of the scum motivation for her switching off.

Breshke came back to tell me his placeholder vote on me was now a real vote after I cased him. OMGUS? No, because he then last minute shenannies onto Prpl in an attempt to hammer him at 4 votes, even though BD hit 4 first. The for his shenanny vote just feels so off. Both jjb and I have addressed it.

Stutters and HTS have both been vocal about their scum read on Prpl. The timing and reasoning of those votes seem pretty sound to me.

I'm still phone posting so after this post, I'll be diving Prpl, Tube and JJB. I can't remember if JJB had any build up to voting Prpl, Tube is the only vote I can't explain on Dwarf(i think I remember him wanting to lynch Dwarf early, just need to verify), and Prpl is the lone wasted vote on Bourne, afkd EoD and isn't defending himself. & Breshke, I still think may be scum, although I'm not as familiar with his meta to be figuring out if he's a risk/reward kind of player or not.

Joking about a fake cop claim isn't cool, either, Prpl. =/

On April 16 2015 10:26 Tubesock wrote:


We gain 5 days before we lynch. Mafia are in a race against time. No lynch provides a great resource for town. Another night kill and time to sort out the rest.

On April 16 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:


this is actually true...lol >< eh

my plan was more conservative, hoping that scum wouldn't pick off a blue out of the five players left -_- honestly bresh i thought you might be wifoming if you were town and that was why the ALL CAPS the mafia WILL DEFINITELY KILL ME in your post, like you were trying to tell the real vig not to CC you lol ><

but here's the thing, breshke...why would scum CC you here, huh? they know there's a vig, it would be a vote-off between you and them...lol it's like 10x more likely the real vig CCs here >< which is why i kept saying not to

On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:

Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.

As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.

Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.

If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.

If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing.

On April 16 2015 10:37 rsoultin wrote:


tch if you're town you're griping at him for the same reason that i was griping at hts ^^ only his actions actually make sense given the explanation, where hers really didn't. what if no one cc's him bresh?

that said, the absence of a noticeable scumread thing, shining, is still a problem for me ><

On April 16 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote:
meh -_-

##unvote

regardless i think the value of a no-lynch is long gone by now

On April 16 2015 10:43 The Shining wrote:


I didn't think that he was crumbing a role. You did. I just said I noticed the same post you did, in large part due to the fact that you pointed it out.

I was waiting for him to step up and bleed town for me. I can't say I'm great at reading people, though, and I was also unsure on Prpl so I had to choose. I didn't get that town feel from him. Maybe if he had done more instead of tunneling Prpl, or actually gotten Prpl lynched and a scum flip, I may have seen it.

On April 14 2015 10:33 Stutters695 wrote:

Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town.

On April 16 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote:


>< lol i get what you're saying, bresh

i'm having trouble understanding this, too, but i'm not going to vote an un-cc'd vig in MYLO no matter how weird it sounds. if shining's a fake and the real vig doesn't CC here, that's on him

i still don't get scum CCing you right here -_- it doesn't make sense

On April 16 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:



No lynch post:



Why the Fuck would I come out and explain that logic in a post where I decided not to claim? Read the bolded. How would I know how the vigi is feeling? It was an attempt at bread crumbling before I decided to claim. I was torn on claiming after EoN.

On April 16 2015 11:02 The Shining wrote:
Breshke is scum trying to win the game. I don't even care anymore. Half the living players are here right now and no CC. He's probably yelling in scum QT for a scum mate to CC me. I'm actually really curious to see who it'll be.

And he's saying he may or may not be blue in that post. That is not softing.

Prpl opened up with I may or may not be scum? But that gets overlooked cuz who would soft scum like that, right?

Same principle applies to that soft claim.

On April 16 2015 11:10 rsoultin wrote:
lol >< two players turn up and one of them isn't bourne, and i wonder what people were smoking -_- frankly

but, eh, i can't say anything. i was a terrible blue

i'm actually waffling on bresh again now -_- the only possible scum motivation i can think of for a fake vigi claim is...lol well pretty much what shining has already said. forcing us to lynch today and the vig to claim. obviously it isn't scum-favored to have a no-lynch. meh. i'd feel way more comfortable about it if bresh didn't make it clear he was trying to trap scum into ccing him though >< that's just stupid

if you're town, bresh, sorry, but it's what i think ><

On April 16 2015 11:02 Tubesock wrote:


There is something else important about this post.

On April 16 2015 11:52 jarjarbinks wrote:
just reading up now...anyone else in thread?