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jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 04:30 GMT
#1385
I'll try to check back in at lunchtime to make my vote relevant if it isn't

Sorry again... bad EOD time for me unfortunately...i think? Its 430pm ET right?

i'll be on for a few secs while im brushing my teeth if you are confused/concerned.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 04:42 GMT
#1391
On April 14 2015 13:32 rsoultin wrote:
5pm your time pretty sure jjb

question for when you get back:

why is hts so low given your assessment of her? lol


Did my assessment seem that nice? I think there was some points to scum her, they just didn't make up the strongest case and her later posts probably made up some ground. I'm still not sure I believe why she switched votes. She was still in that group of people not really being read at all and her better cases were after she was being voted on, granted she can't do much about that. Sometimes it seemed she was stretching it a bit too, like her case on tube. It looked like she was spinning the case while leaving out information that severely weakened her case.

Still she's higher than she was before I checked her

thanks for the help. Maybe i'll get lucky and can get on my phone after work before 5.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 04:43 GMT
#1392
On April 14 2015 13:39 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 13:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ugh this day got away from me xD taxes are evil. Also, HTS might not be that evil, questions for HTS:

1. Who is your top scum target? Bourneq? Onegu? Tube? Stutters? If you say Onegu we have a problem. Granted, I think #2 on your case might be viable, but I think you blew that case out of proportion. If you don't mind putting out a top 2 or something that would help me understand where you stand?

Since EOD happens before I return from work I'm going to put up a tier list and a vote right now.

List: lower you are the scummier I think you are even in categories

IF I had to say you were town:

Breshke- not most vocal but reads are pretty good and I liked D2 play.

Townleans

Stutters- Still think he's town. If HTS clears her name and PRP gets more towny I'm completely wrong...

Trf/Onegu- Onegu was on drugs + funny. HTS's case on him was good, but it didn't convince me he's scum. Trf seems like superTrf like my last game with him.

Rso- Didn't dominate D1. Did more D2. Interactions with her didn't draw red flags, but she could fool me in a heartbeat

Unlynchables

Shining- Ace was questionable. Shining's gone. Excuse? Idk. Literal null for me prob. We shall see.


Tube- On Stutter wagon (lolz) and seemed to be TR or not read much. And he dissed the list. Tinfoil tunnel seemed genuine though. And HTS's case on him was weakest by far.

+ Show Spoiler +
Bourneq- I didn't get much chance to go through him, but HTS's case on him I thought was her strongest. Especially the policy over the hard scumread. Plus he's the guy I keep forgetting is playing.

HTS- unless her top two scumreads strikes a nerve I don't want to lynch. Some pretty good analysis and I liked the D1 analysis more as I went through it. I could see how her EOD story is believable, just not sure to believe it or not...

Lynchables

Dwarf- Scummy D1 play + on Stutter train + earlier case I posted + 0 scumhunting + policy + no real danger of lynched?

Prp- I wish I got to this. If I magically have free time tomorrow I will make a case. If not pretend I did and check him. Red flag + worse filter than HTS + earlier case I posted + on my list for most TR

##vote: Prp


I dissed the list?


Ya dude. Don't diss the list bro lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 04:45 GMT
#1395
On April 13 2015 14:17 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 13:51 jarjarbinks wrote:
On April 13 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:
On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.

Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of

1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far

#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?)



this post was interesting to me

have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet?


I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton.

People who weren't on top town or top scum the most:

Onegu
HTS
JJB
Tube

People who were top 3 town most:

Prp
Tube
Bresh
JJB

Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain.


You are leaving out percentages! Am I at 89% or 90%? Haha sorry I thought I was really funny and didn't realize I was being a dick during that game. Sorry I murdered you.

How do I use this information?


First line: HILARIOUS. I literally laughed. It was great.

"How do i use this information?" ITS A TOOL! USE IT! you might as well have said, this list serves no point to nobody lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 04:47 GMT
#1397
I gotta crash i'll see yall tomorro
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#1644
reading up, should be around for a bit

dwarf, it takes like 3 ish games to get the game? I promise you I was just about as scummy looking as you when I started as town if not worse. You had some pretty funny posts I hope you don't quit on us because we misread you. Hope to see you again on here!
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 23:43 GMT
#1652
On April 15 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote:
I will hammer prp to save dwarf. Prp has him as top town its what he would want. Also shining and rso pushing for him makes me feel even betetr about saving him


omg I hate this logic. IT MAKES NO SENSE!! I didn't even finish reading and hate this. The thing is it is the 2nd time I saw this and freaking GB was town when he did it. It makes absolutely no logical sense.

If prp IS ACTUALLY TOWN, he KNOWS IT. 100%!

His top townread? honestly I doubt is higher than 90%. It's probably in all reality 70% and likely to change as the game changes.

No one in their right mind would want this.

Someone please explain to me how this makes sense if i'm crazy.

ugh is this even alignment indicative though? Probably not which is even sadder.

Come on guys.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 14 2015 23:53 GMT
#1654
On April 15 2015 07:23 Stutters695 wrote:
Speaking of which, where were you guys?


Unfortunately I get out of work around EOD time. No phone service and internet makes it so I can't get on TL... PT for ACL made it so I can't really leave work early lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:07 GMT
#1656
ugh... like that ends up being the reason breshke switches. Total cop out. Seriously? You couldn't just pick the guy that looks more scummy?

I need to go through that EOD again...

Trf looks very towny. Can someone point to a scumgame of his where he is acting like this? I doubt you can.

I also think prp could definitely pick dwarf early to townread and defend. The longer dwarf lasts and prp defends him the better he looks.

ugh I see the point about bresh and prp both couldn't be scum too. not logical to pick your scummate over town dwarf here. Prp had a solid chance of dying, unless bresh knew no one else would switch to prp or switch knowing prp would get lynched. Like you could get towncred for killing prp and keep a lurker out there for a mislynch, but that definitely isn't worth it. Granted, I pulled the non logical my last game as scum and it worked out....but it was rather retarded. still highly unlikely both are scum.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:19 GMT
#1663
On April 15 2015 08:46 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 08:43 jarjarbinks wrote:
On April 15 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote:
I will hammer prp to save dwarf. Prp has him as top town its what he would want. Also shining and rso pushing for him makes me feel even betetr about saving him


omg I hate this logic. IT MAKES NO SENSE!! I didn't even finish reading and hate this. The thing is it is the 2nd time I saw this and freaking GB was town when he did it. It makes absolutely no logical sense.

If prp IS ACTUALLY TOWN, he KNOWS IT. 100%!

His top townread? honestly I doubt is higher than 90%. It's probably in all reality 70% and likely to change as the game changes.

No one in their right mind would want this.

Someone please explain to me how this makes sense if i'm crazy.

ugh is this even alignment indicative though? Probably not which is even sadder.

Come on guys.


Lol this, amongst other things I've brought up regarding Bresh, are why I think he's scum.


maybe I didn't see this, but I don't see where you brought this up? and I don't really know how scummy this logic is honestly. Not the smartest? Definitely. It IS scummy to use this as the reasoning behind your vote though.

Plus the whole "i'm going to go to bed and let you guys squabble over if i'm town or not" makes no sense from a town perspective. If you are town, you do try to get people to squabble over your actions because that wastes valuable time to find real scum.

I understand the need to make your vote relevant, but unless you can't get ANYONE to follow ANY of your scumreads then you look for the most likely guy to flip scum.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:28 GMT
#1665
HTS do you think breshke and prp could be on the same team?

I don't.

I need to see what reads breshke came up with before he got bombarded by Rso and others. I thought the "claim if your RB'd" thing was insightful due to the fact I never heard it before.

Prp: you were mostly out EOD, what did you make of it?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:43 GMT
#1673
On April 15 2015 09:31 The Shining wrote:
Jar Jar, this is the post where I mention not liking his switch. I assumed after scumming Breshke and being willing to lynch him, it would be understood that me seeing his switch as "odd" would also mean "scummy."

Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 06:31 The Shining wrote:
Since I showed up today, made a case and replied when questioned?

See, I'm used to you tunneling, Trfel. When you think you've got scum, you pursue it passionately. But the last time I saw you tunnel this hard, it was after I offered you an alternate case that could've won us the game. Instead, your tunnel lost it for us.

I'm inclined to think you're just misguided town on me.

As for Breshke, that last minute switch was really odd. If you think both are town, why would you lynch the one that's contributed, as opposed to someone who offered us nothing to this point?



Ok that makes sense. I thought you were talking about my hatred for his reasoning, not the switch itself
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:45 GMT
#1675
On April 15 2015 09:32 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 09:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
HTS do you think breshke and prp could be on the same team?


Stutters (whom I'm townreading) provided the following explanation.

Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 06:33 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, scum motivations for Breshke attempting to hammer:

If prpl is town, he gets lynched and everything I've done all game is for naught making me a relatively easy mislynch with how divided we are.

If prpl is scum, he gets lynched and gets massive town cred for hammering him. If this is the case that would mean that the third member thinks prpl is doomed anyway which has it's own implications.

Or they're both town and we're royally fucked, but I doubt any of these are happening.


We need to ask a few questions here:

1 Is Breshke a high-risk high-reward player? Like Toadesstern? Like sicklucker?
2 How likely is it that any player on D2 would hammer like this in a newbie game especially?


I see what you are saying. I would think no to number 2.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:46 GMT
#1676
On April 15 2015 09:40 Half the Sky wrote:
JJB - Alright, last scumgames aren't doing much to answer #1. He was vigishot in both of his scumgames.

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still 2 is relatively unlikely.... but since we don't know the answer to number 1. Why would one of the vets in here pull this play now?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:49 GMT
#1679
Hmm I liked the way breshke defended hts though, granted it was defending someone other than scumming them.

I think I earlier give some cred because he liked one of my posts. biased and I shouldn't have thought that. still, could bresh acted poorly EOD because he was flustered town? does he get flustered often and play illogically in past town games?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 00:50 GMT
#1680
be back in a little bit
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 03:03 GMT
#1712
On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:
So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding.

There was three wagons.

Shining, who i think is scum
Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1
TBD who I had no diea about.

It was obvious to me that the shining lynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD

Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever

his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-

if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more


I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do.


This makes sense and I can see how you were thinking that. 10x better than your reasoning EOD. Honestly I wished you put (even an abbreviated) version of this EOD instead of what you did so I knew 100% this was why you were voting, but I think I can see how you got this in your filter.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 03:05 GMT
#1713
not how you got this in your filter, how your filter backs up this reasoning for voting prp instead of dwarf
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 03:25 GMT
#1717
@shining

did you see breshke's defense on his vote? What do you make of it?

jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
April 15 2015 03:26 GMT
#1718
o oops my b
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